- Hi Val,
--- In email@example.com, "isenhart7"
>I think that's true.
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org,
> > "kmlightseeker" <kmlightseeker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting:
> > >
> > > " 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another,
> > even as I
> > > have loved you. 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that
> > someone
> > > lay down his life for his friends. 15:14 You are my friends, if
> > do
> > > whatever I command you. 15:15 No longer do I call you
> > servants, for
> > > the servant doesn't know what his lord does. But I have
> > you
> > > friends, for everything that I heard from my Father, I have
> > known
> > > to you....
> Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your
> people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD. (NIV,
> Leviticus 19:18)
> The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
> There is no other commandment greater than these. (NRSV,
> Mark 12:31)
> So what do people think this means, to love your neighbor as
> yourself? I think it means, as a practical matter, to cut them
> some slack. I know most of my own biography by heart and so I
> understand some of the reasons for my own dysfunction. And of
> course, of course, I've rationalized my own dysfinction along the
> way or I wouldn't have been able to live with myself. Been there,
> done that.
>I agree. Not many people seem to do this from my observation...at
> And I think this is why biographical work, whether for an
> individual or an organization can be so healing . There's the old
> saying attributed to the Native Americans, I expect Steven Clarke
> knows its origins better than I, that says we can't know how
> another feels until we've walked a mile in his moccasins.
least, not everyone.
> Also, if you think about it, if we practiced this really-we walked in
> another person's shoes for a mile then we'd be a mile away from
> them when we finally replied. Oh, sorry it's Mrs. Math Person
> coming out in me again. Here's a more imaginative picture of the
> saying perhaps:
> "Until you walk a mile in another man's moccasins, you can't
> imagine the smell." Robert Byrne
- Hi Engemi,
--- In email@example.com, "engemi"
> Hi Keith
> I really love it that you sent these quotations. In the beginning,
> first read KoHW, i was struck by a seemingly biblical sence. i hatedthat,
> because it was in my Sturm und Drang yrs, when I refused to take anymore
> preaching - from ánybody. But i was told by the guy who gave me thebook,
> and whom I attacked endlessly for "his - i felt wrongly so - belief" inspeak to me
> either Steiner and/or Anthroposophy, he will not be prepared to
> on or listen to me speaking about Anthrop. unless I have read thebook at
> least once and did every excercise mentioned in it at least forthree weeks
> in continuation. I thought to hell, but then, i was young, in fullcapacity
> of my philosophical gemuet, and thought i could win him the same asi won
> everyone else who argued (or tried to) with me, so i read away.RS or
> About six months later the man (a teacher, who incidently knew Steiner
> personally) asked me when are we going to have another discussion on
> A. I said, let me finnish the book. Ah, he said, is it taking you solong? I
> felt some shame, because to be honest I have at that time become soanother
> intterested in it that i started making notes. I said, i have to be
> thorough, I'm making notes, and what's more I discovered he is just
> mixed-up weirdo disciple of Christ. How come asked my friend.Because, I
> said. he took all of the Sermon on the mount and all of the Bhudda'sdishes it
> eightfold path and some of the Baghavad Gita and what not else and
> up as a stew for soulgrowth, but he leaves out the human being, justspeak
> bout the pupil, and for one no critique of development. I don'tthink it is
> right. Oh, said my friend, and laughed, refusing to comment further.honest. I
> Ten months later, he asked me how far i was with KoHW. I had to be
> said, I'm stuck. Where? he asked. With Enlightenment, I said (youwill know
> it is part of the stages of innitiation) Where RS speaks about thepupil's
> need to enhance his moral strength. I quote: "throughout his training,purity,
> indeed, he must continually enhance his moral strength, his inner
> and his powers of observation. To take one example only:during theensure
> elementary exercises for enlightenment the pupil must take care to
> that his compassion for the human and animal worlds and his responseto the
> beauty of nature are constantly increasing. Failing this care, theexercises
> would continually blunt his feelings and sensitivity; his heartwould become
> hardened and the senses blunted. And that would eventually lead todangerous
> results."pupil? I
> So my friend said: But how or why does it bother you? You are not a
> said, I know, but that when hé told me to do the exercises, I tookit very
> seriously and did so. And now I was scared, in case what RS said wastrue -
> remember, I explained, I am still there where everything is 50/50true or
> false.can't, I hate
> So, he said, just do it then, and go through it. I said, no, I
> too much. There's been too much pain in my life, my history, myfamily, my
> country.because I knew
> We sat quiet for a long time, each with his own thoughts. And
> some of what he told me about his own rather wild life, as wild asmy own, I
> think we touched in thought on what was know about RS and others ontheir
> esoteric paths. Eventually he said skip all and go to the end; read thebackwards,
> Appendix. (It is the appendix to the 8th edition, 1918) Then go
> read Life and Death and the Great guardian of the Threshold, andthen read
> the Conditions of Esoteric Training, and when you've done that, wecan talk.
> This book is no good after one read only. You can come to theEnlightenment
> at a later stage.of the
> Such I did. And my old-falling-into-pieces KoHW is marked with most
> quotes you mentioned here. it was such a good reminder. Thank you.Your welcome.
Thank you for some of your experiences with the developmental Path. It
seems like some things need time to unfold - not just a matter of
mental grasping of information but experience and indeed feeling. It's
a challenging proposition for sure.
I like the KoHW and it's approach to the subject of initiation. I also
feel it's very well written and organised as a book.
Anyway, thanks for your comments.
> > Interesting:
> > " 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I
> > have loved you. 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone
> > lay down his life for his friends. 15:14 You are my friends, if you do
> > whatever I command you. 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for
> > the servant doesn't know what his lord does. But I have called you
> > friends, for everything that I heard from my Father, I have made known
> > to you. 15:16 You didn't choose me, but I chose you, and appointed
> > you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should
> > remain; that whatever you will ask of the Father in my name, he may
> > give it to you.
> > 15:17 "I command these things to you, that you may love one another.
> > 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it
> > hated you. 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its
> > own. But because you are not of the world, since I chose you out of
> > the world, therefore the world hates you. 15:20 Remember the word that
> > I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his lord.'* If they
> > persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word,
> > they will keep yours also. 15:21 But all these things will they do to
> > you for my name's sake, because they don't know him who sent me. 15:22
> > If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have had sin; but
> > now they have no excuse for their sin. 15:23 He who hates me, hates my
> > Father also. 15:24 If I hadn't done among them the works which no one
> > else did, they wouldn't have had sin. But now have they seen and also
> > hated both me and my Father. 15:25 But this happened so that the word
> > may be fulfilled which was written in their law, 'They hated me
> > without a cause.'*"
> > [Source: The World English Bible (WEB), Book of John,
> > http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext05/web4310h.htm%5d
> > "23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean
> > the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of
> > extortion and unrighteousness. 23:26 You blind Pharisee, first clean
> > the inside of the cup and of the platter, that its outside may become
> > clean also."
> > "23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are
> > like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly
> > are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 23:28 Even so
> > you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full
> > of hypocrisy and iniquity."
> > "24:1 Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way. His
> > disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. 24:2
> > But he answered them, "Don't you see all of these things? Most
> > certainly I tell you, there will not be left here one stone on
> > another, that will not be thrown down."
> > 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him
> > privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? What is the
> > sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?"
> > 24:4 Jesus answered them, "Be careful that no one leads you astray.
> > 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and
> > will lead many astray. 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
> > See that you aren't troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is
> > not yet. 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against
> > kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in
> > various places. 24:8 But all these things are the beginning of birth
> > pains. 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill
> > you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name's sake. 24:10
> > Then many will stumble, and will deliver up one another, and will hate
> > one another. 24:11 Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many
> > astray. 24:12 Because iniquity will be multiplied, the love of many
> > will grow cold. 24:13 But he who endures to the end, the same will be
> > saved. 24:14 This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the
> > whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will
> > come."
> > [The World English Bible (WEB), Book of Matthew,
> > http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext05/web4010h.htm%5d
> > Regards,
> > Keith