Re: Propaganda with a twist
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "winters_diana"
> >no responsible teacher hands a paring knife to a three year old
> >and walks off to do something else.
> No teacher who *gives a shit* about children does this. This person
> has a career in Waldorf because she is a fanatical anthroposophist,
> not because she likes or knows how to work with children, and
> the other thing the story represents. Repeat: represents. It isDear Diana,
> *representative*. I tell it because it was a simple daily sort of
> occurrence in our kindergartens.
This gave me pause. First of all there's that "S" word that always
seems to get my attention. But this was a new thought for me-that
someone would go into teaching wee ones for reasons other than
teaching wee ones. 'Cause I know first hand what a difficult task it
is-this never would have occured to me. But then once you spoke it I
was reminded immediately of one kindergarten teacher that I know. Not
the majority by any means but one for sure.
So I started thinking about it-like what's going on there-and what I
came up with is in the case of the K teacher I know we have a person
who wants to be on a spiritual path without relinquishing control, I
think. Now, this brings up for me, a lot more questions-for instance
does anthroposophy attract more of these individuals with, let's say,
a high need for autonomy because of its, comparatively speaking, do-
it-yourself methodology. This was definitely an attraction for me, as
I have "guru issues" that I am currently taking medicine for.
> It is not that every Waldorf kindergarten teacher allows the
> to use sharp knives unsupervised - but it is *representative* ofthe
> type of lapse in safety, hygiene and general concern for children'sSo there's a question-do WSs have a more laize faire attitude than
> welfare that is reported in Waldorf world wide. There is no doubt
> about this.
other independent schools? The number one reason that parents choose
an independent school (according to the NAIS) last I looked was
safety. Parents are concerned for their children's welfare-duhhh. So
I'm sure that there is a lot of anecdotal evidence for lax policy and
procedures at WSs but this is an example of what I was mentioning to
Pete-this could be documented. What are best practices for
independent schools? What policies and procedures has X WS school
Tom mentioned Dee Coulter a few days ago and I just mentioned I have
guru problems and this all ties together neatly here... A couple
years ago Dee and a good friend of mine, a local anthroposophical
guru, were part of a panel discussion for independent schools in
Colorado. Afterward they reported that there were about fifty
educators in the room and that they came with the knowledge that in
ten years time half of their schools would no longer exist. So they
were hungry and eager to hear what this "cutting edge" panel could
provide in the way of curriculum guidance.
Patrice Maynard with AWSNA just spoke a few weeks ago at the NAIS
conference. She had a room with seventy five chairs-standing room
only with the hall filled with people wanting to hear about WEd. Her
presentation on storytelling was very well received.
I went to a grant-writing course a few weeks ago and was approached
by two University of Colorado professors and the Chair of the
Education Department at the University of Wyoming for information on
WEd. I mean it used to be that you mentioned WEd and people either
had never heard of it or thought you were a kook-now they say can you
tell me where I can get more information?
Well, what's my point? I think it'd be highly ironic, Diana, as the
independent school market gets increasingly competitive if the non-
Waldorf schools adapt and thus survive at the "expense" of the
Waldorf schools who pioneered the curriculum all these years. Because
its not after all the smartest who survive or the most spiritual its
the most adaptive. And Waldorf schools apparently have nothing to
learn, the way I hear it told here, there, and everwhere at times,
about safety, responsibility, accountability, governance, and
leadership. Because we have arrived, we are it, the pinnacle, the
peak. In all facets of school life? Well where can you go really from
> And YES - this is a story about karma. The belief in karmajustifies
> a lack of accountability to normal measures that safeguardchildren's
> safety and wellbeing in other schools. If your child is "drawn to"they
> the Waldorf school (karmically, that is) you are supposed to
> understand that what happens to them, happens to them. In fact,
> were born into your family *because* you will put them in a Waldorfclassroom
> school. The only thing that matters is that they are in a Waldorf
> school, and incompetent, unkind teachers who can't manage a
> or look out for the safety of small children, like who's runninglong
> around with a sharp knife? are just not considered a problem, as
> as they spout Rudolf Steiner all day long and in their sleep. HeySo this really bothers me a lot. What you're describing would be a
> Dottie - looking for a new job?
> Those who would defend it, or lie about the story later because it
> makes them feel all shaken up if their religion is criticized, are
> the ones who have something to answer for.
really warped understanding of karma, IMO. And it personally bothers
me because of the other statement that came up about letting children
die if that's their karma. Because I was in that situation, as people
here have heard numerous times, and I did give the situation over to
a higher power-to God's will specifically. And it surprised me-I
expected to be bargaining with God-negotiating but when it came right
down to it I just said-well okay then. There is not one but two
examples of this prayer in Guideposts magazine this month that
describe what I'm talking about as well.
In one story a young mother is in a terrible auto accident, resulting
in a coma with head trauma, with a million to one odds for recovery.
Good Friday arrives and her husband prays:
"God, on this day Jesus put himself into your hands, unconditionally.
I am doing the same, If it's your will, I know you can bring Natalie
back to us. If it isn't...Thy will be done."
So for me, personally this experience, saying this -if it's your will
so be it prayer-was a real baptism and it's maybe not a coincidence
that admitting that we are powerless, acknowledging a higher power,
and turning our will over to a higher power are the first few steps
on the spiritual path known as 12 steps. So back to the beginning
here-I really am going someplace with all this. Your post brings to
mind the question of people who are attracted to a spiritual path but
don't want to get their feet wet-they are unwilling to give over
their sense of their own power or control and thus wield it rather
than yield it.-Val
- --- In email@example.com, "Mike T"
>Keep your mouth open - I'll turn around...
> Pete Always Right,
> Has that constipation gone to your head again?
> >From: "pete_karaiskos" <petekaraiskos@...>
> >Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> >To: email@example.com
> >Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Steiner and Abraham
> >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 04:28:54 -0000
> >--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Mike T"
> ><leosun_75@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gee Pete Always Right,
> > > Your must be highly evolved to come up with that. More evolved that
> >That's not saying much, in my book.
> > > That says it all.
> realestate.com.au: the biggest address in property