Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Jacob Boehme

Expand Messages
  • sky
    Where is your quote from Steve, a R. Powel book? -sky-
    Message 1 of 203 , Dec 1, 2005
      Where is your quote from Steve, a R. Powel book?

      > > Steve Hale wrote:
      > > Right now, at this moment, do you think it wise to stretch your
      > > speculations, false speculations, I add, out further. As I have
      > > cautioned, I don't take my hands off the wheel when I let you
      > drive
      > > home an idea. We might just end up in a ditch or on a golden
      > > highway. Or we might have to check our medication and lock
      > ourselves
      > > in a padded cell together.
      > Okay there big guy.  And I don't exactly hold to all of your
      > voluminous speculations either.  So please mark 'that' in your high
      > self-esteem authority book that Steve doesn't necessarily stay awake
      > when Bradford's at the wheel.  He smartly takes a cab home.
      > >
      > > Misrepresenting both Shroer and Steiner is alright if you think
      > you
      > > want to speculate about it. But because you speculate and Princes
      > of
      > > Austria do not just gurgle up again out of the drain pipe to
      > satisfy
      > > your curiosity, I don't stand by the sputtered inference that
      > Hitler
      > > was Nero. And there are lots of Steiner indications that I do
      > stand
      > > by, but this one is distinctly Stevian.
      > How do I misrepresent Schroer and Steiner both?  Steiner said he was
      > Plato, not I.  As for Hitler and Nero, thanks for the opportunity to
      > repost an item that needs to be looked at with more than a cursory
      > eye, if you choose too.  You know, the whole point of spiritual
      > science is to arrive at new knowledge and new discoveries that may
      > not be liked by the conservatives.
      > But what I like most is when you descend off that pooh-bah pedestal
      > and talk to the common folk, like me.  Otherwise, you're too lofty
      > for me to reach.  So, thanks for that, and thanks for this.
      > "It can be shown that Rudolf Steiner was used, from the beginning,
      > for the purpose of forming a renewal of esoteric knowledge along
      > entirely luciferic lines. Thus, he formed a luciferic stream that
      > would serve those forces seeking to advent the modern Zarathustra in
      > the form of Hitler. This effort was established in September of
      > 1901, when Rudolf Steiner met Marie von Sievers at an engagement
      > specifically arranged, called "The Crysanthemum Tea Party". It was
      > here that the goals of the anthroposophical movement were struck,
      > when Marie von Sievers asked, "But wouldn't an entirely spiritual-
      > scientific movement comprehensible to thinking be good for Europe?"
      > It certainly was, according to Steiner, who thought he had met his
      > kindred spirit in Marie. And, he had. But  from this point our
      > position must refer to the aftermath of all this; all that has taken
      > place in the course of time since September 1901.
      > Thus, concerning the Rudolf-Hitler connection, I will attempt to
      > bring the whole issue into focus; for the real issue concerns not
      > only the force and effect of the two world wars relative to their
      > underlying causality, which is evil, but mainly to show how the
      > occult powers have gained a certain upper hand at the present time.
      > And it concerns the advent and promotion of anthroposophy for its
      > purposes. Now in consideration of what can be said concerning Crown
      > Prince Rudolf being the reincarnation of the Roman emperor Nero,
      > which is given to us as knowledge through spiritual science, it is
      > possible to investigate further on the matter. And the further
      > course of spiritual science demands such efforts of investigation.
      > Rudolf of Austria committed suicide on January 30, 1889, plummeting
      > the hopes of Austrians for a better future. All hopes were
      > subsequently tied to the continued leadership of the father, Francis
      > Joseph, who would come to name his nephew, Francis Ferdinand, as his
      > succesor to the throne. This would come to a dire end with the
      > assassination of the Archduke and his wife Sophie in Sarajevo,
      > Bosnia, on June 28, 1914, thus forcing Francis Joseph's hand in
      > starting WW1 with his declaration of war against Serbia. I say this
      > in order to show how the occult forces play their hand in such
      > affairs. For in January 1889 it was determined that the time had
      > come for effecting Rudolf's end in order to begin his new life as
      > Hitler. And it was exactly at this time that Friedrich Nietzsche
      > went insane! Now if you remember what has been said about Nietzsche,
      > the foremost philosopher of the period, and his sister Elizabeth and
      > her paramour, you can begin to see the connection.
      > So, here's an important question: What must take place if a person
      > dies in order to be born again right away? In other words, if one
      > dies and doesn't go through the portal of death in order to begin
      > the process of forming their next life, what must occur? Answer:
      > they must be held back some how in order to be born to new parents
      > and receive an astral body at around the age of 14 years. And, if
      > they are born and receive the astral body they previously possessed,
      > what does this mean? It means "self-remembering" the previous life!
      > We know this did not occur relative to Hitler. So what must take
      > place if one is born again before going through the portal of death
      > generally involves receiving the astral body of some other
      > individual having died at the same time. This was what was intended
      > when Nietzsche went insane in January 1889. For what was really
      > intended here was this: Nietzsche was actually poisoned in order to
      > effect his death because he was deemed to be the best one to combine
      > with the imminent return of Rudolf. What actually occurred, of
      > course, is that Nietzsche live for 11 more years in his astral body,
      > with his physical body suffering paralysis due to the poisoning. And
      > he did this because he was determined to not be a party to the goals
      > of the occult powers! What this means is that Bernhard Forester, who
      > effected a relationship and marriage with Elizabeth Nietzsche solely
      > for this purpose, would have to face a bigger challenge that he
      > didn't suspect. For he never conceived that Nietzsche would live
      > beyond his posioning. He would have to commit himself to be the
      > astral body for Rudolf's return as Hitler! And that is why he
      > committed suicide when Nietzsche survived. Because it was his task
      > as a high member of the Black Lodge to make this happen, thus the
      > relationship with Elizabeth, which began a period in which they
      > sought to form the New Aryan nationality in South America, along
      > with revising Nietzsche's works to suit the purposes of the soon-to-
      > be, Third Reich! But Nietzsche survived because his wisdom saw their
      > evil intentions, and he was not going to be a party to it. Thus
      > Forester, at the very point in time in which his goals looked like
      > they could be achieved, commits suicide. This is a fact. And the
      > reason nobody understands it is because of what spiritual-scientific
      > research reveals, which few practice in favor of their modern
      > scholarship. Thus, Bernard Forester's allegiance to the Black Lodge
      > ultimately demands his own greatest sacrifice. And Hitler-Forester
      > is created on April 20, 1889.
      > The life of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria ended on January 30,
      > 1889, the apparent victim of a self inflicted gunshot wound, thus
      > dashing the hopes of so many Austrians who considered him to be the
      > herald of Austria's emergence into the New World. Now, if you look
      > at the life of Rudolf you'll see a remarkable trend that fully lends
      > itself to this confidence of the people. For he was prepared by his
      > life between death and rebirth for all that he sought to bring to
      > this new Austria. And what he sought to bring to Austria is this:
      > Tourism. This is a fact. He sponsored the preparation of a travel
      > guide to Austria designed to stimulate interest in foreign travel to
      > his country. All in order to make Austria a cosmopolitan place in
      > the world. And to bring people together in common peace and
      > understanding. Of course, this is made all the more remarkable when
      > we look at Rudolf's previous incarnation as the Roman emperor Nero.
      > And here is where you can see the infinite power of the Hierarchies
      > working in the process of Life between Lives. Just look at Nero!
      > Dedicated to the old world order. Seeing the emergence of
      > Christianity as the direct threat to his very own existence. He
      > would also commit suicide as a last resort. Here we have an
      > excellent example of all that must be considered in the process of
      > transition from one life to the next, don't you agree? And, if we
      > take Rudolf's father Francis Joseph into consideration, we have a
      > further indication of the infinite power of the Hierarchies in
      > forming Rudolf-Nero's destiny; for Francis Joseph was the very last
      > of the old Hapsburg Dynasty. In other words, he was the last of the
      > guard of the old world. What this means is very important. And it is
      > designed, when carefully considered, to give some insight into all
      > that must be taken into consideration when moving from one earth
      > incarnation to the next. This is what the Hierarchies must take
      > consideration of. They must look at the Nero incarnation and its
      > plusses and minusses and then organize a plan for the next life. And
      > this is what they did, as evidenced by Rudolf's own life goals! Just
      > look at this life and you can clearly see how someone like Karl
      > Julius Schroer, Rudolf Steiner's professor, could experience such
      > remorse at such a loss. Along with the rest of the Austrian people.
      > It was a devastating blow, akin to the death of JFK and RFK. The key
      > to understanding the demise of Rudolf, heir apparent to the Austrian
      > empire, concerns the nature of Karma in all its ramifications. For
      > not only must we consider Rudolf's previous life as Nero and all
      > that history contains of his influence in support of the
      > perpetuation of the old Roman world fighting against the emergence
      > of Christianity, but we must consider the limits that Karma imposes
      > on the possibility of full remission of sins in the next life.
      > Rudolf demonstrates this to a very high degree. And it is a painful
      > story for the investigation. To see such a life, with such promise,
      > trashed by a father who was resolutely determined to maintain the
      > old Austria at all cost, requires a certain courage and resolve
      > relative to the quest for truth and knowledge. In other worlds, it's
      > a painful conclusion to a great life in the making. And the story
      > from this point on is even more pertinent to our consideration of
      > the events of the 20th century, particularly Rudolf Steiner and his
      > role in these affairs.
      > Think back on Ravencroft's, "The Spear of Destiny", and you'll draw
      > yourself to these early events that gave rise to Hitler's brutal
      > regime. There is a direct connection to Rudolf of Austria in all
      > this. And to Rudolf Steiner as well. And the spear is the catalyst!
      > Remember the spear being seen by both Steiner and Hitler at the
      > Relic House? And what they each experienced in seeing it? Here's the
      > secret: Steiner saw it when Rudolf was still alive, around 1879, and
      > Hitler saw it some time after 1913. The key is Francis Joseph, the
      > father, and his determined effort to keep Austria in the old world,
      > separated from the rest of Europe and the world at large. Rudolf
      > Steiner and Adolf Hitler represent the polarity of the Spear of
      > Destiny; pre-Rudolf and post-Rudolf. We know about Rudolf Steiner
      > and his goals. And Hitler: well everybody knows about him! So,
      > what's the difference here? Humm, probably the aversion to spiritual-
      > scientific knowledge and what it could provide to human
      > understanding. The story goes on from here and represents the 20th
      > century as we know it. But what is not known is all that comprises
      > the occult movement and its understanding of human history. For here
      > we come upon the deep interest in former incarnations and what they
      > can mean to those forces that seek to control the earth and mankind.
      > And yes, they have already traced this relationship between Rudolf
      > and Nero. And what they see is quite profoundly the reverse of what
      > Rudolf sought in compensation for his Nero incarnation. Spiritual
      > Science is able to show that Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria was
      > actually murdered by a father who could not fathom the karma of his
      > son, his only son and logical successor to the throne, for the
      > evolution of Austria into the new world. And Spiritual Science is
      > also able to trace the fact that occult forces were cognizant of
      > this strife on the part of Rudolf to appeal to his father for the
      > future success of Austria. The result constitutes the death of
      > Rudolf, son of Francis Joseph of Austria, who had him killed. Why?
      > Because his own father saw nothing of value in what his son wanted
      > to bring to Austria; he saw him as an idiotic radical to the cause
      > of his country; a country dedicated to its roots. This paradox gave
      > a point of introduction for the occult forces, cognizant of Rudolf's
      > former incarnation, to intervene in an immediate return of Rudolf as
      > Adolf Hitler on April 20, 1889. Born in Austria to a father who
      > would brutalize his very being, he would be destined to recapitulate
      > the life of Nero in the modern world. Not the Nero transformed by
      > the infinite intelligence of the Hierarchies, but the Nero
      > catapulted into the modern world in order to serve the Soradtic
      > Beast. Nero sought to exterminate Christianity from the world nearly
      > two thousand years ago by executing Peter and Paul, its icons, in a
      > frenzy of frivolous and melancholy spirit. What this produces today
      > is a picture of a man dedicated to remission of sins for past
      > injustices who is transformed in spite of the Hierarchies into a
      > modern Nero dedicated to exterminating the Central European Jews in
      > favor of the Aryan superiority seen as the future of the world. And
      > it is all conducted by those occult (Soradtic) forces we see today,
      > as we speak."
      > Steve
      > >
      > > I know you brought this up once before. But how did you come to
      > such
      > > a conclusion? On what grounds? In what sense of karma and destiny
      > > did you come to this insight? As I have many times stated, your
      > > explanations or defenses are as interesting at times as what you
      > > blurt out. But who would have ever picutred Plato as the limp
      > noodle
      > > Schroer?
      > >
      > Rudolf steiner college
      > Occult
      > Anthroposophy
      > Rudolf steiner
      > ▪  Visit your group "anthroposophy_tomorrow" on the web.
      > ▪  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
      >  anthroposophy_tomorrow-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
      > ▪  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
      > Service.
    • Frank Smith
      Jeez, Sor JoAnna, you re right - as usual. Just don t tell the ACLU. ... http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/I3dslB/TM ...
      Message 203 of 203 , Jan 16, 2006
        Jeez, Sor JoAnna, you're right - as usual. Just don't
        tell the ACLU.

        --- Jo Ann Schwartz <sr_joanna@...> wrote:

        > Hi Frank,
        > I think you left off the tag line:
        > This email is a natural product made from recycled
        > electrons. The slight variations
        > in spelling and grammar enhance its individual
        > character and beauty and in no way
        > are to be considered flaws or defects. Any errors in
        > tact or fact are transmission
        > errors.
        > L-cubed,
        > JoAnna
        > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
        > --------------------~-->
        > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and
        > poor with hope and healing
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > anthroposophy_tomorrow-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

        Frank Thomas Smith

        Do You Yahoo!?
        Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
      Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.