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  • sky
    Where is your quote from Steve, a R. Powel book? -sky-
    Message 1 of 203 , Dec 1, 2005
      Where is your quote from Steve, a R. Powel book?
      -sky-


      > > Steve Hale wrote:
      > > Right now, at this moment, do you think it wise to stretch your
      > > speculations, false speculations, I add, out further. As I have
      > > cautioned, I don't take my hands off the wheel when I let you
      > drive
      > > home an idea. We might just end up in a ditch or on a golden
      > > highway. Or we might have to check our medication and lock
      > ourselves
      > > in a padded cell together.
      >
      > Okay there big guy.  And I don't exactly hold to all of your
      > voluminous speculations either.  So please mark 'that' in your high
      > self-esteem authority book that Steve doesn't necessarily stay awake
      > when Bradford's at the wheel.  He smartly takes a cab home.
      > >
      > > Misrepresenting both Shroer and Steiner is alright if you think
      > you
      > > want to speculate about it. But because you speculate and Princes
      > of
      > > Austria do not just gurgle up again out of the drain pipe to
      > satisfy
      > > your curiosity, I don't stand by the sputtered inference that
      > Hitler
      > > was Nero. And there are lots of Steiner indications that I do
      > stand
      > > by, but this one is distinctly Stevian.
      >
      > How do I misrepresent Schroer and Steiner both?  Steiner said he was
      > Plato, not I.  As for Hitler and Nero, thanks for the opportunity to
      > repost an item that needs to be looked at with more than a cursory
      > eye, if you choose too.  You know, the whole point of spiritual
      > science is to arrive at new knowledge and new discoveries that may
      > not be liked by the conservatives.
      >
      > But what I like most is when you descend off that pooh-bah pedestal
      > and talk to the common folk, like me.  Otherwise, you're too lofty
      > for me to reach.  So, thanks for that, and thanks for this.
      >
      > "It can be shown that Rudolf Steiner was used, from the beginning,
      > for the purpose of forming a renewal of esoteric knowledge along
      > entirely luciferic lines. Thus, he formed a luciferic stream that
      > would serve those forces seeking to advent the modern Zarathustra in
      > the form of Hitler. This effort was established in September of
      > 1901, when Rudolf Steiner met Marie von Sievers at an engagement
      > specifically arranged, called "The Crysanthemum Tea Party". It was
      > here that the goals of the anthroposophical movement were struck,
      > when Marie von Sievers asked, "But wouldn't an entirely spiritual-
      > scientific movement comprehensible to thinking be good for Europe?"
      > It certainly was, according to Steiner, who thought he had met his
      > kindred spirit in Marie. And, he had. But  from this point our
      > position must refer to the aftermath of all this; all that has taken
      > place in the course of time since September 1901.
      >
      > Thus, concerning the Rudolf-Hitler connection, I will attempt to
      > bring the whole issue into focus; for the real issue concerns not
      > only the force and effect of the two world wars relative to their
      > underlying causality, which is evil, but mainly to show how the
      > occult powers have gained a certain upper hand at the present time.
      > And it concerns the advent and promotion of anthroposophy for its
      > purposes. Now in consideration of what can be said concerning Crown
      > Prince Rudolf being the reincarnation of the Roman emperor Nero,
      > which is given to us as knowledge through spiritual science, it is
      > possible to investigate further on the matter. And the further
      > course of spiritual science demands such efforts of investigation.
      > Rudolf of Austria committed suicide on January 30, 1889, plummeting
      > the hopes of Austrians for a better future. All hopes were
      > subsequently tied to the continued leadership of the father, Francis
      > Joseph, who would come to name his nephew, Francis Ferdinand, as his
      > succesor to the throne. This would come to a dire end with the
      > assassination of the Archduke and his wife Sophie in Sarajevo,
      > Bosnia, on June 28, 1914, thus forcing Francis Joseph's hand in
      > starting WW1 with his declaration of war against Serbia. I say this
      > in order to show how the occult forces play their hand in such
      > affairs. For in January 1889 it was determined that the time had
      > come for effecting Rudolf's end in order to begin his new life as
      > Hitler. And it was exactly at this time that Friedrich Nietzsche
      > went insane! Now if you remember what has been said about Nietzsche,
      > the foremost philosopher of the period, and his sister Elizabeth and
      > her paramour, you can begin to see the connection.
      >
      > So, here's an important question: What must take place if a person
      > dies in order to be born again right away? In other words, if one
      > dies and doesn't go through the portal of death in order to begin
      > the process of forming their next life, what must occur? Answer:
      > they must be held back some how in order to be born to new parents
      > and receive an astral body at around the age of 14 years. And, if
      > they are born and receive the astral body they previously possessed,
      > what does this mean? It means "self-remembering" the previous life!
      > We know this did not occur relative to Hitler. So what must take
      > place if one is born again before going through the portal of death
      > generally involves receiving the astral body of some other
      > individual having died at the same time. This was what was intended
      > when Nietzsche went insane in January 1889. For what was really
      > intended here was this: Nietzsche was actually poisoned in order to
      > effect his death because he was deemed to be the best one to combine
      > with the imminent return of Rudolf. What actually occurred, of
      > course, is that Nietzsche live for 11 more years in his astral body,
      > with his physical body suffering paralysis due to the poisoning. And
      > he did this because he was determined to not be a party to the goals
      > of the occult powers! What this means is that Bernhard Forester, who
      > effected a relationship and marriage with Elizabeth Nietzsche solely
      > for this purpose, would have to face a bigger challenge that he
      > didn't suspect. For he never conceived that Nietzsche would live
      > beyond his posioning. He would have to commit himself to be the
      > astral body for Rudolf's return as Hitler! And that is why he
      > committed suicide when Nietzsche survived. Because it was his task
      > as a high member of the Black Lodge to make this happen, thus the
      > relationship with Elizabeth, which began a period in which they
      > sought to form the New Aryan nationality in South America, along
      > with revising Nietzsche's works to suit the purposes of the soon-to-
      > be, Third Reich! But Nietzsche survived because his wisdom saw their
      > evil intentions, and he was not going to be a party to it. Thus
      > Forester, at the very point in time in which his goals looked like
      > they could be achieved, commits suicide. This is a fact. And the
      > reason nobody understands it is because of what spiritual-scientific
      > research reveals, which few practice in favor of their modern
      > scholarship. Thus, Bernard Forester's allegiance to the Black Lodge
      > ultimately demands his own greatest sacrifice. And Hitler-Forester
      > is created on April 20, 1889.
      >
      > The life of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria ended on January 30,
      > 1889, the apparent victim of a self inflicted gunshot wound, thus
      > dashing the hopes of so many Austrians who considered him to be the
      > herald of Austria's emergence into the New World. Now, if you look
      > at the life of Rudolf you'll see a remarkable trend that fully lends
      > itself to this confidence of the people. For he was prepared by his
      > life between death and rebirth for all that he sought to bring to
      > this new Austria. And what he sought to bring to Austria is this:
      > Tourism. This is a fact. He sponsored the preparation of a travel
      > guide to Austria designed to stimulate interest in foreign travel to
      > his country. All in order to make Austria a cosmopolitan place in
      > the world. And to bring people together in common peace and
      > understanding. Of course, this is made all the more remarkable when
      > we look at Rudolf's previous incarnation as the Roman emperor Nero.
      > And here is where you can see the infinite power of the Hierarchies
      > working in the process of Life between Lives. Just look at Nero!
      > Dedicated to the old world order. Seeing the emergence of
      > Christianity as the direct threat to his very own existence. He
      > would also commit suicide as a last resort. Here we have an
      > excellent example of all that must be considered in the process of
      > transition from one life to the next, don't you agree? And, if we
      > take Rudolf's father Francis Joseph into consideration, we have a
      > further indication of the infinite power of the Hierarchies in
      > forming Rudolf-Nero's destiny; for Francis Joseph was the very last
      > of the old Hapsburg Dynasty. In other words, he was the last of the
      > guard of the old world. What this means is very important. And it is
      > designed, when carefully considered, to give some insight into all
      > that must be taken into consideration when moving from one earth
      > incarnation to the next. This is what the Hierarchies must take
      > consideration of. They must look at the Nero incarnation and its
      > plusses and minusses and then organize a plan for the next life. And
      > this is what they did, as evidenced by Rudolf's own life goals! Just
      > look at this life and you can clearly see how someone like Karl
      > Julius Schroer, Rudolf Steiner's professor, could experience such
      > remorse at such a loss. Along with the rest of the Austrian people.
      > It was a devastating blow, akin to the death of JFK and RFK. The key
      > to understanding the demise of Rudolf, heir apparent to the Austrian
      > empire, concerns the nature of Karma in all its ramifications. For
      > not only must we consider Rudolf's previous life as Nero and all
      > that history contains of his influence in support of the
      > perpetuation of the old Roman world fighting against the emergence
      > of Christianity, but we must consider the limits that Karma imposes
      > on the possibility of full remission of sins in the next life.
      > Rudolf demonstrates this to a very high degree. And it is a painful
      > story for the investigation. To see such a life, with such promise,
      > trashed by a father who was resolutely determined to maintain the
      > old Austria at all cost, requires a certain courage and resolve
      > relative to the quest for truth and knowledge. In other worlds, it's
      > a painful conclusion to a great life in the making. And the story
      > from this point on is even more pertinent to our consideration of
      > the events of the 20th century, particularly Rudolf Steiner and his
      > role in these affairs.
      >
      > Think back on Ravencroft's, "The Spear of Destiny", and you'll draw
      > yourself to these early events that gave rise to Hitler's brutal
      > regime. There is a direct connection to Rudolf of Austria in all
      > this. And to Rudolf Steiner as well. And the spear is the catalyst!
      > Remember the spear being seen by both Steiner and Hitler at the
      > Relic House? And what they each experienced in seeing it? Here's the
      > secret: Steiner saw it when Rudolf was still alive, around 1879, and
      > Hitler saw it some time after 1913. The key is Francis Joseph, the
      > father, and his determined effort to keep Austria in the old world,
      > separated from the rest of Europe and the world at large. Rudolf
      > Steiner and Adolf Hitler represent the polarity of the Spear of
      > Destiny; pre-Rudolf and post-Rudolf. We know about Rudolf Steiner
      > and his goals. And Hitler: well everybody knows about him! So,
      > what's the difference here? Humm, probably the aversion to spiritual-
      > scientific knowledge and what it could provide to human
      > understanding. The story goes on from here and represents the 20th
      > century as we know it. But what is not known is all that comprises
      > the occult movement and its understanding of human history. For here
      > we come upon the deep interest in former incarnations and what they
      > can mean to those forces that seek to control the earth and mankind.
      > And yes, they have already traced this relationship between Rudolf
      > and Nero. And what they see is quite profoundly the reverse of what
      > Rudolf sought in compensation for his Nero incarnation. Spiritual
      > Science is able to show that Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria was
      > actually murdered by a father who could not fathom the karma of his
      > son, his only son and logical successor to the throne, for the
      > evolution of Austria into the new world. And Spiritual Science is
      > also able to trace the fact that occult forces were cognizant of
      > this strife on the part of Rudolf to appeal to his father for the
      > future success of Austria. The result constitutes the death of
      > Rudolf, son of Francis Joseph of Austria, who had him killed. Why?
      > Because his own father saw nothing of value in what his son wanted
      > to bring to Austria; he saw him as an idiotic radical to the cause
      > of his country; a country dedicated to its roots. This paradox gave
      > a point of introduction for the occult forces, cognizant of Rudolf's
      > former incarnation, to intervene in an immediate return of Rudolf as
      > Adolf Hitler on April 20, 1889. Born in Austria to a father who
      > would brutalize his very being, he would be destined to recapitulate
      > the life of Nero in the modern world. Not the Nero transformed by
      > the infinite intelligence of the Hierarchies, but the Nero
      > catapulted into the modern world in order to serve the Soradtic
      > Beast. Nero sought to exterminate Christianity from the world nearly
      > two thousand years ago by executing Peter and Paul, its icons, in a
      > frenzy of frivolous and melancholy spirit. What this produces today
      > is a picture of a man dedicated to remission of sins for past
      > injustices who is transformed in spite of the Hierarchies into a
      > modern Nero dedicated to exterminating the Central European Jews in
      > favor of the Aryan superiority seen as the future of the world. And
      > it is all conducted by those occult (Soradtic) forces we see today,
      > as we speak."
      >
      > Steve
      >
      > >
      > > I know you brought this up once before. But how did you come to
      > such
      > > a conclusion? On what grounds? In what sense of karma and destiny
      > > did you come to this insight? As I have many times stated, your
      > > explanations or defenses are as interesting at times as what you
      > > blurt out. But who would have ever picutred Plato as the limp
      > noodle
      > > Schroer?
      > >
      >
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    • Frank Smith
      Jeez, Sor JoAnna, you re right - as usual. Just don t tell the ACLU. ... http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/I3dslB/TM ...
      Message 203 of 203 , Jan 16, 2006
        Jeez, Sor JoAnna, you're right - as usual. Just don't
        tell the ACLU.


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