Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: What Ails Thee?
- Well, eventually you will have to ask "WHERE does it hurt", otherwise
you might find yourself pulling out a healthy tooth instead of the
Asking "what ails you" is just the beginning - not the end of the
journey. You will have to muster up the courage to ask why and where as
My three cents, -sky-
On Dec 1, 2005, at 7:28 PM, dottie zold wrote:
> Hi Ladies,
> I think for me, I feel an inner pain, which is where the question
> comes from. I find that when I ask this question it is out of 'what
> is hurting you so much? Not really, 'what is wrong with you' but what
> is hurting you so much'? And then the next question for me
> becomes 'How can I help', 'Is there anything I can be of service
> too'? That' is how it feels in me. It is a heart question and not a
> mind question for me or a judgement one? Although I can see depending
> on the mindsets of both it could be taken either way.
> > > Thanks for this, Val
> > No, thank you Engimi! Of course you are right this was Parcival's
> > question because Parcival was a complete fool, as we all are,
> > being entertained in the castle, being too courteous (bound by
> > convention) to share his perception. He percieved something
> > was off, did he not? But he didn't ask. I was thinking about this
> > after I wrote it and in a way they are two sides of the same
> > question, what ails thee and what cures thee...if you look at it in
> > the sense of the question being what is missing-it's still a
> > question of what's lacking. The difference is that in asking what
> > would restore health and well-being I am assuming that there is
> > something that exists in reality that would, in fact, be available.
> > Be available if I asked the question.
> > So I can look around me and ask "what's wrong with this picture"
> > and I can come up with quiet a few ideas. I think you're right-this
> > is what is going on in the world today-we are living in this world
> > of all these competing theories and people can get lost in them,
> > confused by them, and settle-settle for something that "sounds
> > reasonable". And they don't ask, we don't ask-not out of
> > convention in the honoring tradition sense but out of the context
> > of the answers just being too complex-out of in a sense the new
> > convention of our time-honoring specialization.
> > Anyway, this is something I've been thinking a lot about lately-
> > it might serve to ask what is needed by an individual rather than
> > what is wrong with them and again, like you said, it seems to
> > take the judgement aspect out of the conversation. On the other
> > hand, if you do this, you may find as I have that many people can't
> > tell you, don't know, themselves what their needs are.
> > So now I'm going to tell a tell a tale out of school-something I
> > should not do, would not do-tattle on myself and my fellow
> > anthros but drastic times call for drastic measures and the truth
> > is this is the most dramatic illustration that I can think of-you
> > know makes for good copy.
> > A few years back I was in a meeting and I can't remember what I
> > was bringing that was so infuriating but another member (an
> > anthroposophist) of the group was livid with me, wagging his
> > finger right in my face and spitting at me as he spoke he asked
> > why it was that he perceived that I was a conspiracy theorist. And
> > I said, I had no idea but that this raised a question for me." What
> > is it," I asked, "in your psyche that requires me to wear a black
> > hat so that you are able to wear the white hat?" And at this he
> > almost lept out of his chair, as he burst out with "I don't know,
> > WHAT?" This was a very sincere question-like he wanted to
> > know but I could only respond that I had no idea on that one
> > either-that that was his work to find out. Pretty much I batted the
> > big zero in this exchange.
> > You know, us girls, how we have to sometimes process things
> > so I related this conversation to a good friend, also an
> > anthroposophist, and when I said he asked why he perceived
> > that I was a conspiracy theorist-she said "Well, because you
> > are". And then when I related his next question she asked-"Well,
> > didn't you just love him in that moment, wow don't you just love
> > him now?" And I said NO, I didn't love him in that moment-the
> > man had been spitting like a reptile in my face. And it has taken
> > me years to come to love this man. Years. Actually, I'm just a
> > hair beyond lukewarm now about him.
> > It seems to me that the questions here were the wrong ones.
> > What's wrong with you that I am perceiving this, what's wrong
> > with you that you would perceive this about me seems a
> > distortion of Parzival's question "What Ails Thee". These are the
> > words-three words, NO MORE, no less. The lens that is required
> > is THE OTHER PERSON'S. They are in the position to know what
> > is bugging them, if anything.-Val
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