- --- In email@example.com, "Stephen Clarke" <mozartg@y...>
> Dear Dottie:Thank you!
> Fair enough, Dottie. I will tell you why all this rehashing of "what
> went wrong" and "who did what when" and all that is so very important.
> Now I have made the evaluation both that I have been occultly excluded
> from the Society and that the Society is outwardly dead. But my
> commitment has simply gone deeper, into a broader connection with the
> Movement. Brad calls it the Michael School. Whatever. I still have
> my commitment to Rudolf Steiner and those connections allow me to
> weigh in on these issues from a differnt perspective that some of the
> others here might have.
> Does that explain?
- Okay, I shall check on it. This book has some serious
issues in it as for example the chapter noted as being
Chapter 8 has the inside pages noted as Chapter 7. And
I think its going to have to go into reprint as it is
one that speaks directly to this understanding of the
Being Anthroposophia in the community and the
importance of continuing forward as a Society that has
> dottie zold wrote:
> > Frank:
> >>Dottie and others have recently mentioned the book
> >>"Isis Mary Sophia". I
> >>was looking this over and found what I think may
> >>serious erroneous
> >>translations in the last entry: "A Christmas
> >>The Mystery of the
> >>Logos". On the first page: "...the unfolding of
> >>intellectual or mind
> >>soul..." 'intellectual' is ok for 'Verstand', but
> >>think that Gemüt
> >>should not be translated as "mind", although it
> >>often is. The problem is
> >>that there is no adequate translation for the
> >>I think, however,
> >>that Steiner didn't mean that Verstand and Gemüt
> >>synonymous, but
> >>rather that they are two parallel paths of
> >>development - one being
> >>intellectual or reasoning, the other being through
> >>heart, emotion or
> >>soul (Gemüt). I don't recall whether Bernard
> >>Lievegoed wrote it or I
> >>heard him say it, but he used the example of a
> >>kindergarten teacher (or
> >>assistant)who perhaps wouldn't understand
> >>of Freedom or isn't
> >>interested in it, but nevertheless intuits
> >>sufficiently to pass through
> >>the intellectual/Gemüt phase onward to
> >>soul development. I
> >>think this is appropriate for this list because of
> >>accusations that
> >>certain members are stuck in the sentient soul
> >>stage. Also in the same
> >>chapter the translator uses "spiritual soul"
> >>of "consciousness
> >>soul" for some reason.
> > Dear Frank, can we speak to the editors of the
> > publishing company about this issue you bring up?
> > think it is really important to the integrity of
> > Steiner's work.
> I don't think there's much point in that, first
> because I haven't come
> up with a suitable translation for "Gemüt, and
> secondly because they
> couldn't do anything about it anyway until a new
> edition came out, which
> is probably unlikely - and third, I don't have the
> tme right now.
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