Re: Speculative Thinking
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, dottie zold
> Dear Terence,Yes! I would agree that serious study needs to be
> I consider my study contemplative. I allow it to sit
> in me as I move in my everyday life. I walk in a
> walking meditation for most of my life. So, for me to
> use the word 'speculative' seems to be not what I
> consider to be true about my studies.
contemplative to extract the essence out of a
concept. Contemplation is a formative process while
meditation has been for me a periodic and rhythmic
activity. Contemplation is like brooding until the
egg is hatched while meditation is periodically
keeping the egg warm.
As I understand the process of developing mental
acuity, one begins with concentration, advances to
meditation and then arrives at contemplation. My
experience of contemplation of Astrosophy and
Astrology has been durative and has spanned a time
period of neigh unto 30 years.
I know of Krishnimurti's raps on meditation as
being "choice-less awareness", and the importance
of meditation being a living experience of each
moment. However, I am not able to maintain such a
state of consciousness in duration as the "monkey
mind" has such a tendency to interfere. Hell,
sometimes, I fail in maintaining uninterrupted
concentration on a pencil or pin for 5 minutes.
That said, I can say that now that I have completed
the Saturn cycle, meditation is as natural for me
as drinking water and that I become aware when I am
not aware more quickly! Setting the stage for
contemplation is also second nature and I welcome
the bubbling ups of my long standing contemplations
of the Cosmos.
> I mean one can parse words and so forth, but for meMy sense is that we do and that is why, at least
> that is why I asked if you would consider Astrosophy
> speculative. I was quite surprised when you said yes.
> And it makes me wonder whether we have two different
> understandings of the word.
for the sake of discussion on speculation, I included
three definitions of the word. The bottom
line for me re: the tenets and the Divine
Principles of Astrosophy, although cognitively
understood with capacity on my part to
intellectually write or speak them, I nonetheless
state my comprehension is speculative (see
definition 3) as I have not yet adequately
developed the supersensible organs to verify what
Steiner, Vreede, Sucher, Powell, Benito, etc have
written or talked about. Unless I can experience
the supersensible verity of Astrosophy I say then
that what I know is speculative. Does this help to
clarify my use of the word?
My sense is that many times we experience disparity
in our attempts to conceptualize our understandings
because we have different understandings of the
meanings of words and how to use them within the
context of our musings. That is why I so strongly
suggest that we all see ourselves as students who
are struggling with communicating, and as Steiner
teaches us to have clear mathematical heart
perceptions and perspectives about our musings,
meditations and contemplations. As eloquent as
Bradford, Stephen, and Harvey, et al, are in their
use of the written word, ALL remain STUDENTS of
Spiritual Science. I am doubtful that any of us
have expanded our consciousness to the level of
> I am wondering if you see a difference between theMy practice of meditation is centered deeply within
> words 'contemplative' and 'speculative'? I definitely
> do. ONe seems to sit in the mind and the other seems
> to sit in the heartmind.
the heart-mind. Contemplation also occurs within
this Sacred Chalice, yet requires duration and the
nourishment of meditation, at least I see it that
"Man derives his spirit from the constellations
(fixed stars), his soul from the planets, and his
body from the elements."