--- In email@example.com
, Tarjei Straume
> At 02:52 01.06.2005, Pete wrote:
> >--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Tarjei Straume wrote:
> > > At 20:37 31.05.2005, Pete wrote:
> > >
> > > >Here, by the way, is an excellent article about exactly what I am
> > > >about.
> > > >
> > > >http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles/WhoIsRS.html
> > >
> > > "Excellent" - ? Most people around here have sufficient knowledge of
> > > unplumbed toilet bowl to know that Walden is out to lunch and has
> > > positively no understanding of Rudolf Steiner. You obviously suffer
> > > the same deficiency and the two of you should consider applying
> > > same space program. It's like one patient calling another patient a
> > > because they have the same pathology.
> > >
> > > Tarjei
> >Um... exactly like what happens around here?
> Projecting and echoing again, I see. Some sort of knee-jerk defense
> mechanism. I do agree with some of the others here who remind you
> posts are very boring.
So are your responses. Your knee-jerk reaction is to criticize the
messenger when the message gets too real. It's obvious what you do -
> >How about addressing the issue. It's real and it's plain to see.
> You're not making a good job of making others see things your way.
You don't speak for others. You can't see things my way - but then,
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Your mind is stuck -
that's fine. I'm here on the Anthroposophy list - I don't expect to
get support from anyone here. That I don't is hardly a surprize.
> the contrary. Repeating over and over again that your twisted views are
> plain for all to see and very logical and so on don't do the trick
> simple reason that it's way off base.
You may think so - but the truth is plain to see. Waldorf schools
intentionally hide their Anthroposophical underpinnings and Steiner's
strange ideas. They hide it because they want to attract mainstream
parents and, more importantly (as Mike T pointed out) to indoctrinate
their children without their knowledge.
> >Waldorf schools lie about Steiner and they lie about their
> Schools don't lie, but individuals do.
Tired argument Tarjei. Even boring I might say. Try this -
Governments don't lie, but individuals do. Look at the websites and
it's obvious that Waldorf schools disguise themselves as mainstream
> With Waldorf schools spread all over
> the world, there are probably untruthful imdividuals in Waldorf scholls
> like in any other schools.
No, not like in any other schools. Individuals in other schools don't
need to lie about their underpinnings like Waldorf does because other
schools aren't on a mission of social reform like Waldorf schools are.
Other schools aren't based on wacky ideas like Waldorf schools are.
And once they have recruited parents/children under a deception, other
schools don't have to continue to lie to them in order to keep them.
And other schools aren't based on the ideas a founder who said to
teachers that it's OK to lie to the public about the things that are
> You seem ti be implying that all individual
> teachers in all Waldorf schools worldwide lie,
No, of course not - one or two have some integrity. .
> and that their habit of
> lying can be traced to Rudolf Steiner who was a liar about almost
I didn't say Steiner was a liar - he was just incorrect about a lot of
things and he made a lot of stuff up. When he spoke to teachers about
a young child that he thought was not a human and said:
"But do not let us broadcast this. There is enough opposition already.
Things like this give people a terrible shock. People were frightfully
shocked when I had to say that a quite famous university professor
with a great reputation had had a very short period between death and
re-birth and was a re-incarnated negro scientist.
"But don"t let us publicise these things."
* Steiner, CT-4
Steiner, Rudolf. Conferences with the Teachers of the Waldorf School
in Stuttgart 1923 to 1924: Volume Four: Being to the end of Dr.
Steiner's visits to the School. (1924) Trans. Pauline Wehrle. Forest
Row, U.K.: Steiner Schools Fellowship Publications, 1989
he was, in fact, asking teachers to hide "the truth" (his wackiness)
from the public.
> and that therefore, all anthroposophists are liars (or most of
> them anyway), including the anthros on this list, and for this
> the Truthful has arrived here to expose us all.
I think most anthroposophists are gullible people who have a huge
investment in a belief system that is anything but believable to the
general public. I think some people on this list are willing to bend
the truth (pretzel twist if you like) to make it fit into their belief
system - and to drag others in, a little pretzel twisting is
necessary. They prefer that Pete the Truthful not challenge their
twisted logic, their twisted truth, not just because it makes them
look silly to others they are trying to impress, but because they are
forced to self evaluate, and how dare someone as unworthy as Pete come
here and expect them do this - to point out *their* faults. How much
easier to point out *his* faults. Sure, they feel a little queasy
when they have to run to the dictionary and don't find their
confirmation - but instead find confirmation for what Pete said. But
then they can always ignore that part - how could Pete actually say
anything truthful - he is arguing against Steiner, their messiah.
Pete must be the devil - the incarnation of Ahriman. Yes, that's
it... Steiner predicted Pete.
> With your obvious confusion about definitions of 'tutor,' 'educator'
> on ann your constant mix-up of night and day, it's no wonder that
> tell truth from fiction.
I'm not the one confused Tarjei. Maybe your dictionary is confused -
since it agrees with me. I'm not steeped in dogma to confuse me. I
have the benefit of objectivity - and yes, I can tell truth from
fiction - that's why I speak out.
> >Doesn't work Tarjei... The public is getting the truth finally and you
> >guys don't like it.
> You keep calling Mike T a fundy,
So do you...
> but you express yourself very clearly as a
> *fanatic.* Fanatics are convinced that they have the truth and that the
> world is aching to hear it.
At the risk of sounding boring - that's what Anthroposophists are
doing. But really, nobody wants that shit - so they hide it and sneak
it into the minds of children through their schools - without letting
the parents know what they are up to. That's fanatical - and sick -
and happening world-wide at Waldorf schools. Address that issue if
Pete the Truthful