RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: occult lodges and islam
> Rudolf Steiner was a revolutionary. He was a political revolutionary whoput
> together the most radical approach to social order that exists yet on thisWoodrow
> planet. And he placed it on the table in front of Winston Churchill and
> Wilson at the Treaty of Versailles.Just in case you're not speaking metaphorically, that never happened.
Then he brought forward Waldorf Education
> as a revolutionary act, a subversive act - it has the express intention ofSocial
> making at least a homeopathic element of society ready for the Threefold
> Order. To say otherwise is a lie. Many Waldorf schools, teachers andpromoters
> are liars and I will say that to their faces. The time for politely hidingthe
> truth from the parents and even teachers who come to them and to deny thatI taught at a Waldorf school, and still teach a course at the Teachers
> what they are doing may be very dangerous in the future is a real crime.
Training Seminar in Buenos Aires. Maybe I'm not one of your liars, maybe I
am. I could judge that if you would tell me what the hell you're talking
about. You sound like one of those creeps at Plans.
> Does that mean that Waldorf schools shouldn't exist? Of course not - they
> must exist as long as the powers of this earth decide to allow it (which
> be much longer). But the work should be done in the clear light of day.in our
> Everyone should understand the real WAR that is raging around us as we sit
> comfortable houses with food on our tables. By the time we go to stand inline
> for our chips and bar codes that will allow us to keep paying our mortgageand
> buying our groceries, we should be prepared to recognize it as just the"holy" the
> sense-perceptible result of the supersensible battle going on right now.
> YOU may not believe that you are personally affected yet. But people all
> around you are being rounded up and killed right now in the name of the
> "good" the "American way of life." YOU will be next. You will succumb ordie,
> one way or another. You can succumb to the truth and die physically, orcan
> succumb to the powers of this earth and die spiritually. You have thechoice to
> make. It is the ONLY choice that you will have to make in the days tocome.
My God, fire and brimstone.
> I apologize for the ranting, but ...(snip) Why apologize, when you're not
> Wake up sleepers, awake! The time is at hand and we cannot rest in dreams.I will
> Follow the trail of truth on the internet while it is still there to see.
> post links to important sites. We can not stop Ahriman's incarnation - ithas
> already happened. But we can look him in the eye just before we die andsay
> "I KNOW who you are - you cannot fool me! At least one human being knowswho
> you really are." It's not much, but it is on this that the world hangs inthe
- Hi Tarjei,
In reading this book by Karen Armstrong I am getting a
better 'feel' for Muhammed and what he endeavored to
bring to his people.
One of the things that strikes me is that its path was
similar to that of Judiasm: in order to get to one God
they had to take down the 'daughters of God'. That was
the missing piece for Muhammed on the way to
monotheism as it was for the Jews.
Interestingly as well is that what he was working on
was a change of consciousness from family blood ties
to spirit ties that outgrow the familial bounds
similar to Jesus' concepts in a way.
I find that Muhammed was very much inspired by the
story of Mary and Jesus. There is a reference to them
early on that actually insinuates to the exoteric way
of reading her being a virgin. However when reading it
from an esoteric level the 'veil' being lifted is
Well, what I am coming to is that Muhammed seems to
have brought a religion that centered on surrendering
(islam) ones total self to God. And the way to show
that was through letting go of worldly goods and
giving to the poor and taking care of them. But what
strikes me is this absolute 'feel' I have about the
self (nafas) getting its house in order. So, in a way
although it is one religion it seems to be made up of
singular people on a quest for God. Although they call
themselves Muslims as one their quest is really each
one by themselves. It kind of reminds me a wee bit of
Self Realization Fellowship by Paramahansa Yogananda.
It has that sense of righting oneself before God.
Almost like he took the Christ revelation and and then
became one of the men that achieved a self
revelation. Almost reminds me of the snake.
At one point the book speaks of 'exciting' the hatred
of the Jews. It is pretty apparant that they were
considered 'trash' among the peoples in that region.
And it seems they truly never recovered even unto this
day their own sense of worth. Almost as if they are
always in the place of having to defend their honor.
And not really only their own but that of their
Prophet as well. They know he is not what the Western
world says and they are always fighting some uphill
battle in their minds.
One last thing before I go. I find it extremely
interesting that the Satanic Versus as related by
Rushdie actually speak to two lines where Muhammed
gave credence to the 'daughters of God'. He then tried
to and actually did take the versus back and claimed
that they were slaves just as the everyday people
were, and that one could not look to them for guidance
Well, maybe this is the last piece before I go:) They
have the most remarkable references to Satan that I
have ever seen. To them their was no original sin.
Muhammed believed that this was all a part of Gods
plan. That in the end Satan will be the last to be
saved but he will be. Also he states that it is Satan
who loved God the most. I think of Lucifer here.
Anyway, the more I read of this Muhammed the more I
come to understand how he was able to achieve what he
did in such a short time. He truly had his face on God
and inspired others to do the same.
Tarjei you wrote:
> This point of yours was actually corroborated byTarjei
> Rudolf Steiner when he
> said that Arabic materialism was blunted by the
> emergence of Islam. So RS
> implies that this religion was a progressive force
> when it was introduced
> in the 7th century. Apparently, the destructive
> forces inherent in
> "Arabism" and connected with 666, Sorath and so on,
> has hijacked this
> religious stream because it has outlived its alotted
> era long ago.
> Specific manifestations of egoism. When a young manDottie
> kills men, women, and
> children at random by blowing himself to pieces with
> them in the firm
> belief that he will be rewarded with 70 virgins in
> Paradise for such a
> deed, we're not only talking about merciless egoism,
> but a specific variety
> of it, probably exclusively found among Muslims.
Yeah, this thing with the virgins bothers me a bit. I
think it is ridiculing them and this is not what
Muhammed had in mind physically. When I sink into the
Koran I will see what that means. In the mean time I
am going to speak to my friend about this.
I am not so sure it is found exclusively among Muslims
but I do not know how to make the argument. What comes
to mind are the 'fundies' of the world. We have people
here in the states killing doctors who perform
abortions in recent years. And I believe it will only
get worse as the right gets more power in regards to
other segments of society as well. We are about to
face the 'gay rights to marriage issue' and this is a
powder keg waiting to go. And they believe they are
doing what God would want them to do. Its pretty
And I wonder what is the difference regarding the ego
of having 70 virgins versus doing an evil thing for
p.s. I know I am not the best one to converse on this
subject however I would like to say it has inspired me
to become more knowledgable regarding a group of
people who are going to light the world on fire.
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