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  • Joel Wendt
    Dear Christine, This stuff from Turtle Woman is not good. Here is why. Humanity needs to come awake to the potential of the consciousness soul, which means
    Message 1 of 3 , Jan 5, 2004
      Dear Christine,

      This stuff from Turtle Woman is not good. Here is why.

      Humanity needs to come awake to the potential of the consciousness
      soul, which means awake inwardly to what is going on in the
      consciousness and unconsciousness.

      We need to learn how to combine prayer and meditation in a single
      action, where our outer private speaking (prayer) becomes a magical act
      of the highest order (holy magic is petition and grace). This privately
      spoken out loud petition is balanced by an inward inner silence (we
      speak out loud, but are silent in inner voice). This spoken petition
      (prayer) is then met by grace inwardly in the silence, and because we
      have become "poor in spirit" (inwardly silent) then the Beings we seek
      can speak to us in response in the inward silent emptiness.

      We only use the physical body to speak (prayer-petition), and with an
      awake but silent thinking (meditation) we "hear" the grace filled
      response to our petition.

      Turtle Woman has materialized and tied to the body an element of the
      consciousness soul experience that must be found in a body free
      thinking, if it is to manifest in its wholeness. What she proposes is a
      very ahrimanic temptation to the consciousness soul, which makes of the
      body nothing other than a new age crystal or pendulum, when what the
      spirit needs is to begin to find its "invisible" limbs in meditation,
      not become attached to its outer physical limbs as some kind of Ouija

      Whatever Beings this woman thinks she is contacting, they have nothing
      whatsoever to do with Christ. He waits in the Ethereal World, where
      thinking resides when focused on its essence. He cannot be evoked
      through faux magical acts, nor can Archangel Michael.

      When prayer and meditation are properly combined, and there is an
      earnest and real need, then no Truth, nor any sense of a needed
      understanding of the Good, will be withheld from our seeking spirit.
      "Ask and it shall be given you, seek and ye shall find, knock and it
      shall be opened unto you."

      warm regards,

      On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 20:21, golden3000997@... wrote:
      > Wow! There is SO much sychronicity going around right now!! Check out the
      > link. I am amazed at what they are saying! (That's the only part of this that
      > I'm writing. The rest I'm just forwarding.) : ) Christine
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      > From: Loretta <enquizical@...>
      > To: Spirit Wise <SpiritWise@yahoogroups.com>
      > Subject: [House of Metaphysics] How to check for truth
      > Date: 04 Jan 2004 18:56:20 -0800
      > http://www.goldenlight-fleet.com/checktruth.html
      > How to check for truth
      > *******************
      > How To Check For Truth
      > Turtle Woman
      > Background:
      > This simple technique for determining Truth has been developed over
      > several decades with different aspects pulled from various sources. It
      > has nothing to do with religion, so it does not matter if you are of
      > any particular persuasion, lineage, or belief. It works with the
      > Christ Power (the right hand Golden Light of God) and Archangel
      > Michael. This has nothing to do with the religion of Christianity.
      > Nothing of darkness can penetrate or subvert the power of the Golden
      > Light of Christ and no falsehood can exist in
      > the presence of It or Archangel Michael and the Sword of Truth.
      > Basically, the premise is to "self" muscle test, such as chiropractors
      > use.
      > The problem with muscle testing is that many things can affect it...
      > your personal beliefs, desire for a particular outcome, whether or not
      > you are really in your body or if you're balanced. All of these things
      > can interfere (belief/desires) with or cause deception (dark side)
      > with obtaining the Truth. As a result, a specific affirmation is
      > stated before the muscle test to ensure that the results are accurate
      > and correct.
      > How To Self Muscle Test:
      > The actual technique is a simple self muscle test using the index
      > finger on your right hand and pushing down on that finger with your
      > left hand after asking your question. Questions must be asked in a
      > manner that they can be answered yes or no. If the right index finger
      > is strong and does not release when pushed down on, then the answer is
      > yes. If the right index finger is weak and cannot resist your pushing
      > down on it, then the answer is no.
      > The process of getting the correct answer involves a few steps at the
      > beginning with specific verbiage to prevent interference with or
      > deception of the Truth.
      > Balance:
      > First, you must know if you are balanced. If not, there is a simple
      > ancient Asia technique which takes only a few minutes to get you into
      > balance. Anytime that you are out of balance in any way, you can use
      > this technique to balance all aspects of your Self. It is good to use
      > this Asian technique at least once a day to keep yourself in balance
      > at all times. This works on all levels.
      > In Your Body:
      > Second, you must be sure you are "you" and are in your body. When you
      > feel light headed or dull/fuzzy in your thinking, mentally "not with
      > it", or mentally tired, you more than likely are not in your body.
      > Surprised?
      > Have you ever done stupid things, all the while knowing it was stupid,
      > not wanting to do it, yet doing it anyway, and in the process of it
      > wondering why you were doing this? You are not in your body....
      > someone else is in there at the controls. You have slipped out and
      > while you were out, an entity stepped in.
      > Getting Correct Answers:
      > At any time when testing for Truth, none of your answers will be
      > correct if:
      > 1. You are not balanced.
      > 2. You do not say the affirmation/verbalization first.
      > 3. You are not "you" and/or are not in your body.
      > All this must be done and confirmed positive before you ask your
      > question(s). If you are not in your body and have not been for a while
      > (some people for most of their lives), it is not unusual for you to
      > slip out of your body again right after affirmation and the
      > confirmation. It is good to do the entire process from A to Z for each
      > question you ask. Always check and double check to see if you are
      > balanced and in your body. This is very important. You've more than
      > likely been out of your body a lot more than you ever realized. If you
      > find you are continually out of your body, gardening is a good cure
      > for this to get grounded. Sticking your hands in the dirt, wrapping
      > your arms around trees, etc will help to ground you. Those who spend a
      > lot of time in higher dimensions have difficulty getting grounded.
      > Spending some time sitting or lying on the Mother Earth daily is also
      > a good way to ground yourself daily.
      > When you start, face East or Southeast. (Exception: Directional facing
      > is not necessary for "the balancing"). Do not be in the same room with
      > a computer or any electronic device that is ON. It will affect the
      > process through energy interference and cause deception in your
      > answer. East is faced because it is the direction of receiving, the
      > direction of the Golden Light, and the direction that Archangel
      > Michael stands in of The Four Who Stand in The Four Directions. South
      > is the direction of manifestation. I find Southeast to be the most
      > powerful direction to ask questions and get a correct answer....
      > receiving and manifesting.
      > Checking For Truth
      > Step One:
      > Balancing Technique:
      > Bend your arms at the elbows, laying the inside of your forearms
      > together on top of each other, right on top of left. (Similar in
      > position to cradling a baby). Clasp the fingers of your hands around
      > your forearms (your right hand should be on top with your hands facing
      > in opposite directions of each other. Your fingers will be pointing in
      > the direction of the "other"elbow). Slide your clasped hands back
      > along the inside of your forearms until the fleshy bottom part of your
      > palms firmly touch and connect. The end of
      > the palms of your hands will be resting in the "dip" of your wrists.
      > Keep your hands clasped onto your arms, your elbows will be sticking
      > out. Keep your hands closely snuggled together in this position and
      > hold for several minutes. If you have been out of balance in your body
      > for a long time, you will need to do this for at least 10 minutes. The
      > more you do it, the less time involved and the more you will stay in
      > balance.
      > Step Two:
      > (facing East or Southeast)
      > Starting Affirmation:
      > "As the Christ Master Self that I am, I (fill in your full name) am in
      > my full, conscious, rational, decision making, Christ Enlightened,
      > body/mind/and soul; here, now, and forever more and I thank you God
      > NOW".
      > Step Three:
      > Question who you are and if you are in your body and balanced.
      > 1. "As the Christ Master Self that I am, am I (state your full name)"?
      > Muscle test. If yes, continue. If no, go back to Step Two and repeat
      > all.
      > 2. "As the Christ Master Self that I am, am I (state your full name)
      > in my body"?
      > Muscle test. If yes, continue. If no, go back to Step Two and repeat
      > all.
      > 3. "As the Christ Master Self that I am, am I (state your full name)
      > in balance"?
      > Muscle test. If yes, continue. If no, go back to Step One and repeat
      > all.
      > Step Four:
      > Checking for Truth on anything.
      > "As the Christ Master Self that I am, and in the Truth and Power of
      > the Golden Light of Christ and the Archangel Michael, without any
      > interference or deception, is (insert whatever you are asking about)
      > true and correct"? Muscle test.
      > Blessings to All My Relations in Love and Golden Light,
      > Turtle Woman, Oma
      > This is copyrighted material. If forwarding, material must be used in
      > it's entirity with no changes, additions, or deletions in any way
      > manner, or form. copywrite 2002: Turtle Woman)
      > ---------------------------------
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    • golden3000997@cs.com
      Thank you Joel for taking the time to think about this. Now please may I make this assertion - I am not defending this person s position. I don t have any idea
      Message 2 of 3 , Jan 5, 2004
        Thank you Joel for taking the time to think about this.

        Now please may I make this assertion - I am not defending this person's
        position. I don't have any idea who these people are or where they are coming from.
        I just thought it was an interesting idea.

        This having been said, however, a couple of thoughts pop into my head. The
        "balancing" of the body with the arms reminds me very much of making the "A"
        gesture in Eurythmy. When I took Eurythmy (two years in Teacher Training) we were
        shown that crossing two limbs (fingers, arms, legs, even eyes!) is a
        centering and focusing gesture. It very much strengthens the "I" in the body and can
        be used casually or therapeutically. I also think of Eurythmy in relation to
        prayer and meditation in the sense that (who was it, Brad? Sorry - just got home
        from work) was just writing about the angels passing swiftly by and giving a
        meaningful glance. Actually, I always though of it more as a meaningful
        gesture. I always thought of the angels (etc) as "speaking" in Eurythmy gestures. So
        might it not be possible to "pray" in gestures? Even "meditate" in gestures?
        I'm not saying THEY are doing this, but mightn't there be a kernel of truth
        here? something to ponder?

        I have always imagined the far distant future when we will be creating life
        forms with our transformed larynxes and "speaking" with each other through
        gesture. Is this completely off base, or what?

        I think we have to be VEWY, VEWY CAWFUL about labeling things Luciferic and
        Ahrimanic too quickly. (especially when hunting wabbits). Exalted feelings and
        artistic imaginations, inspirations and impulses can be quite Luciferic, in
        fact MUST be Luciferic in a sense, because that is the realm of gift that he
        gives to us. Cold, hard, analytic thinking can certainly be Ahrimanic, just as
        the cold hard earth is beneath our feet, because the solidity of the world is
        his gift to us. The question is how to put both of these polarities to the
        service of the Christ Being and how to infuse the light, warmth and courage of the
        Christ Being into the earth and into our creations. Who among us is a perfect
        vehicle for the Christ? - certainly not me! (myself and Irene).

        As much as we need to fight Ahriman in this time with the Shield of Truth and
        the Sword of the Spirit, I still love the Peach Glass Window in the
        Goetheanum (boy, that's almost as hard to type as Anthropopsopial, ugh, antropiscal,
        ugh, well that Steiner thing). I love the GESTURE of the Christ Being bending
        down to release Ahriman from his chains. He never denies him or tries to destroy
        or exile him. He is just trying to set him free from the chains of his own

        Another thing that I have picked up on so far, and I haven't even read the
        whole website yet, is there is some kind of disclaimer regarding the Ashtar
        Command. I like the way they are so definite that the people on their lists have
        to choose and can't just willy nilly run around after every UFO site they see.
        One of my absolutely best friends (and former boyfriend) has dedicated his
        whole life to UFO research, so I've been around a lot of people in this field.
        One of the things I used to try to impress on him was the need to be able to
        DISCERN. Taking as a starting point that there is SOMETHING or SOME ONES out
        there (which everyone is totally free to reject in the first place), but if there
        is or are, then it would behoove us to get some kind of idea of where they are
        all coming from, what their intentions are and how to best respond. Are they
        all "good"? Are some of them "good"? Or are NONE of them "good"? This
        particular web site struck me as being very strong in defining and differentiating.
        Mind you, I'm not planning on getting on their ship. I figure it's my fate to go
        down with this one.

        Anyway, I was just passing along an interesting something I found on my
        mental wanderings. Just a spur to mental wonderings. And anything with "Golden" in
        it - I like! : )

        But thanks again for your valuable input!

        : ) Christine
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