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5586Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Aspects of the Great Satan

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  • Gisele
    Jun 10, 2004
      ~~~~Once again, Bradford, hats off to a great posting!

      holderlin66 <holderlin66@...> wrote:
      Sovereignty in Iraq is a catch phrase, a lot of hot air meaning one
      thing and one thing only, Karl Rove and Bush machine stay in power.
      American Press is so Orwellian that they cannot just tell you the way
      it really is. The way it really is, for Spiritual Science, is that
      control over the Iraqi corporate state by the U.S. is not something
      that will be withdrawn anytime soon.

      Iraq and new U.N. guidelines for Iraq does not allow Iraq to
      determine it's own destiny. The shift of some 40 odd, billion dollar
      military bases in Iraq, making them, staffing them, getting them up
      and running, certainly prevents anyone from getting the water and
      electricity running in Iraq. That has always been a secondary focus,
      the primary focus was secure the oil contracts and economy of the
      future Iraq and while the hot lava sucker money is flowing like a
      bleeder from America, get the bases on-line. Sucker, Sucker, Sucker
      and Sucker is what we should be saying to ourselves in the West over
      and over again.

      The Interim council are a collection of hand picks from the Bremmer
      dictatorship and finally, Negroponte is going to open the biggest CIA
      spy house in the middle East, called an "American Embassy". From here
      massive worm holes and underground fissures in the entire middle east
      system will be linked with Israel's band of idiots. This is why we
      have to understand the Arabism that has arrived again through the
      U.S. as a new form of Intellectual Soul epidemic. It is a virus that
      brings dishonesty, changes brotherhood to avarice and corporate
      whoredom. It makes Babylon ripe for becoming the Great Whore. No,
      stupid, I mean take it seriously. The Great Whore is an infected
      disease that corrupts Corporations world wide and every little slimy
      intellect trained to suck ass on Wall street. It is an Ahrimanic
      infection, do you get it yet?

      Go ahead, tell me about Soverignty, get all warm and fuzzy about
      Sovereignty for me. Sovereignty is where the I Am, free of egregorial
      and elemental beasties, like briars, that lodged themselves in
      Luciferic and Ahrimanic portions of the untransformed soul, can with
      self conscious, self correction and esoteric discipline, look at
      itself with objectivity.

      Sovereignty is having an active conscience that has the mobility to
      not be part of the Orders from above and military boyscout training
      wheels that allows anti-human actions to betray exactly what Freedom
      in the World and freedom for America used to stand for. Sovereignty
      is not walking around taking orders from Judaism, Islam or phony
      fundamental christian morons who either want Armageddon or revenge.

      Sovereignty is putting a line item, line by line cost effective
      breakdown of exactly what this is costing the U.S. and the world in
      billions, aid to whole starving countries, to what schools, teachers
      salaries, new energy research that shakes us free of oil; or, phony
      homeland security itself could do with the wasted billions that serve
      the darker instincts of failed patriotism and obvious demonic
      political machinations. We can start there with Sovereignty. Now all
      of this practical data is also occult schooling. Schooling that aims
      at the Philosophy of Freedom training of knowing your motives and
      using the great Greek method of esoteric discipline, known as Know
      Thyself. Steiner gave that as a gift. What I bring here practical
      common sense indications of understanding basic Ahrimanic

      Two of my favorite books: 1- Marie Corelli, "Dream of the World's
      Tragedy" and 2- "The Mysterious Stranger" by Mark Twain. In "The
      Mysterious Stranger" you get, once again, a chance for student of
      Spiritual Science to study exact occult insights into Ahrimanic
      Symptomology and the ideas here added in a study of the epidemic of
      the Great Satan.

      holderlin previously wrote:

      "America as it sweeps over the globe is updating everyone and some
      religious groups reluctantly.The Information Age and the
      new "Gattica" and "Blade Runner" and the SUV Age is considered by
      some to be an unholy nightmare. Enough so that Iran and Islam can
      call America the Great Satan. This compares to a new form of
      culturally epidemic disease of politics divorced from brotherhood
      sweeping toward the Islamics. Our word is not good enough, neither
      are contracts and lies, which is bearing down in the old market
      places that you can still visit in Damascus. In Islam there are
      etheric repititions of prayer nearly five times a day and a general
      Luciferic astral refusal to come to terms with the Ahrimanic
      onslaught coming out of the west."

      Contracts, lies and Corporate Porno:


      Ralph Nader: First of all, we have been supporting despots,
      dictators, and oligarchs in all those states for a variety of
      purposes. We supported Saddam Hussein. He was our anti-Communist
      dictator until 1990. It's also cultural; they see corporate culture
      as abandoning the restraints on personal behavior dictated by their
      religion and culture. Our corporate pornography and anything-goes
      values are profoundly offensive to them.

      The other thing is that we are supporting the Israeli military regime
      with billions of dollars and ignoring both the Israeli peace
      movement, which is very substantial, and the Palestinian peace
      movement. They see a nuclear-armed Israel that could wipe out the
      Middle East in a weekend if it wanted to.

      RN: The subservience of our congressional and White House puppets to
      Israeli military policy has been consistent. Until '91, any dictator
      who was anti-Communist was our ally.

      PB: You used the term "congressional puppets." Did John Kerry show
      himself to be a congressional puppet when he voted to give the
      president a blank check to go to war?

      RN: They're almost all puppets. There are two sets: Congressional
      puppets and White House puppets. When the chief puppeteer comes to
      Washington, the puppets prance.

      PB: Why do both sets of puppets, support the Sharon/Likud policies in
      the Middle East rather than the peace movement candidates and leaders
      in Israel?

      RN: That is a good question because the peace movement is broad
      indeed. They just put 120,000 people in a square in Tel Aviv. They
      are composed of former government ministers, existing and former
      members of the Knesset, former generals, former combat veterans,
      former heads of internal security, people from all backgrounds. It is
      not any fringe movement.

      The answer to your question is that instead of focusing on how to
      bring a peaceful settlement, both parties concede their independent
      judgment to the pro-Israeli lobbies in this country because they
      perceive them as determining the margin in some state elections and
      as sources of funding. They don't appear to agree with Tom Friedman,
      who wrote that memorable phrase, "Ariel Sharon has Arafat under house
      arrest in Ramallah and Bush under house arrest in the Oval Office."

      RN: Under my proposal there would be an international peacekeeping
      force, and the withdrawal would be a smart withdrawal during which
      there are internationally supervised elections. We would have both
      military and corporate withdrawal because the Iraqi people see the
      corporations are beginning to take over their economy, including
      their oil resources. And we would continue humanitarian assistance
      until the Iraqi people get on their feet. We would bring to the
      forefront during the election autonomies for Kurds, Sunnis, and
      Shi'ites. So this would not be like a withdrawal in Vietnam where we
      just barely got out with the helicopters.

      TAC: You often mention corporations. What is the theory behind this
      or what are the alternatives to corporate economic power? I presume
      you are not talking about state ownership or socialism, or perhaps
      you are …

      RN: Well, that is what representative government is for, to
      counteract the excesses of the monied interests, as Thomas Jefferson
      said. Because big business realizes that the main countervailing
      force against their excesses and abuses is government, their goal has
      been to take over the government, and they do this with money and
      politics. They do it by putting their top officials at the Pentagon,
      Treasury, and Federal Reserve, and they do it by providing job
      opportunities to retiring members of Congress. They have law firms
      that draft legislation and think-tanks that provide ready-made
      speeches. They also do it by threatening to leave the country. The
      quickest way to bring a member of Congress to his or her knees is by
      shifting industries abroad.

      Concentrated corporate power violates many principles of capitalism.
      For example, under capitalism, owners control their property. Under
      multinational corporations, the shareholders don't control their
      corporation. Under capitalism, if you can't make the market respond,
      you sink. Under big business, you don't go bankrupt; you go to
      Washington for a bailout. Under capitalism, there is supposed to be
      freedom of contract. When was the last time you negotiated a contract
      with banks or auto dealers? They are all fine-print contracts. The
      law of contracts has been wiped out for 99 percent of contracts that
      ordinary consumers sign on to. Capitalism is supposed to be based on
      law and order. Corporations get away with corporate crime, fraud, and
      abuse. And finally, capitalism is premised on a level playing field;
      the most meritorious is supposed to win. Tell that to a small
      inventor or a small business up against McDonald's or a software
      programmer up against Microsoft.

      Giant multinational corporations have no allegiance to any country or
      community other than to control them or abandon them. So what we have
      now is the merger of big business and big government to further
      subsidize costs or eliminate risks or guarantee profits by our

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