5425R: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Moltke "initiated" WWI ?
- Jun 2 7:17 AM----- Original Message -----
> >Therefore Eric; Presenting your latest intellectual soul research is
> >wonderful and I am proud of you. But don't come around here and start
> >mouthing off on how you can push aside Ahrimanic forces as some petty
> >rubbish connected to tarot cards and star gazing.
> A valid point which points to the difference between religious beliefs and
> trance mediums on the one hand, and initiation science on the other. In
> initiation science, Spiritual Science, ahrimanic and luciferic forces are
> to be regarded in a vein similar to that of positive and negative
> electricity. There was a time when electricity was science fiction and
> fantasy to ordinary people, and talk about negative and positive chargeshad
> could be construed as an attempt to spread false religion, heresy. So when
> anthroposophists talk about ahrimanic and luciferic forces, it may
> justifiably be called heresy, but what needs to be kept in mind is that in
> our day and age, heresy is not only legal, but a civil right, a human
> right. Those who refuse to respect and honor this right are not primarily
> offending the heretics, who are accustomed to scorn; they are selling
> themselves short by refusing to learn about new ideas and new directions
> with significant importance for the future.
> About the case at hand: I am not going to comment on a book I have not
> read, which is written by a professor who is perhaps a specialist on 20th
> century political and military history. I will only point out that history
> professors don't always agree; their interpretations and conclusions
> differ. And if what Eric has posted to this list is a true reflection of
> David Fromkin's opinion, I would check a second and a third opinion before
> venturing my own. You don't have to be a physician to ask for a second
> opinion if the first expert does not convince you.
> I cannot find the article about Moltke and Steiner I was looking for, so
> I've sent the word out, hoping someone may enlighten us about the matter.
> What I do seem to recall from reading about this, is that Moltke did have
> the information about how the Great War started, about all those
> misunderstandings and blunders that led to the catastrophe. And someone
> the idea of publishing Moltke's information in order to clear Germany ofstarted
> the charge of having started the war.
> There are mayn psople in the West who have been saying that Germany
> two world wars. That is a very strong accusation against one nation. TheyAndrea adds_
> did start the second world war by obeying and following Hitler, but I'm
> inclined to believe that the catastrophe of the Nazi explosion and Hitler,
> the curse of Germany, was a madness that resulted directly from the awful
> injustice imposed upon Germany after the first war, based upon the false
> accusation that Germany was responsible for that war.
Moreover, if we look at the stream of money that was given to Nazi Party,
especially between 1930 1nd 1933, from western-based financial
insititustions (Schroeder,Warburg,Brown-Harriman and so on) we can see a
"visible hand" that leads us directly to the connection "Western
Lodges-Finance Corporation" . (See Geminello Alvi "IL secolo Americano".
Fals accusations and
> gross injustice can make people very irrational when pushed to the limit.is
> Just look at the Palestinians, whose suffering under the heel of a brutal
> occupant for half a century has given birth to suicide missions in crowded
> shopping malls. That's insanity that's becoming a cultural tradition. It
> our responsibility, therefore, to recognize injustice and oppressionthe
> wherever it is taking place. And if the curse that hit Germany in the
> 1930's from within was a direct result of oppression and injustice from
> international community after the first war based upon false accusations,d
> it is our sacred duty to recognize the true relationship between cause an
> effect in history. This is something that cannot be taken lightly, and
> history cannot be revised through the publication of one book alone,
> regardless of how accredited the author may be.
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