5010Re: Seeking Sophia/Dottie
- May 1, 2004Bradford:
> Sometimes you press the patience of Job.I agree. Yet, I feel compelled to call Sophia's voice forward from
those who have experienced Her Essense. (I like caps, again)
I consider this gas balloon
> of feeling life, unpenetrated by Michael thought, swirling in aAnd that is fine. But if you knew Sophia like I know Sophia, a song
> Burka of dervish Godhead reverie, nothing to do with the grounded
> nature of Spiritual Science.
in there somewhere:) you would know it has to do directly with the
streams of Gnostics, Rosicruicians, Anthroposophia specifically. And
Michael, being the mightiest son of Sophia, according to Mr.
Prokofieff, mediates this offering in possibly the same manner as was
when He was the countanence of the OT and that of the NT. I like the
trio of ChristMichaelSophia and that is how I experience them almost
as One in a sense.
And if we look at this oneness it seems, and I am not sure I
completely can state it from Dr.Steiners Isis Sophia Maria book, it
it because they come from the same lineage of the star the Gnostics
were able to experience. If we completely get past the historic
aspects of the Golgatha event and contemplate on that which was
before the beginning Dr. Steiner says we come to a star and from this
star is the lineage of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Sophia.
I am of the Gnostic stream Bradford as was Jacob Boehme, Soliviev and
others. I do not only get the physical word of it, although I am not
able to express it back to you, but I get the beginningness and that
is why I am at home in left field so to speak. My intuitions lead
directly to the spirit connections and I 'feel' them or experience
them. And it is not like you, and it is not better than you but it is
different than your way. I am learning to get it your way are you
learning to get it my way? I ask as you are committed that one can
not experience the Godhead and Sophia and so forth, yet you are aware
that we are working towards Spirit Man. No matter how far off this
may be the seeds have been sown and are sprouting here and there. Not
just in words but also in Intuition and Inspiration.
I don't expect I am worthy for personal
> interviews with the godhead.It's not an interview Bradford. It's an experience without words
without thought just love and bliss. So much so that ones body caves
in almost as this happens or at least it seems to as the body does
not seem capable of handling that kind of bliss, almost as if the
spirit must leave it in order for the vibration or whatever it is
that happens to it. I don't think the spirit can stay in the body and
experience the Godhead. So no interview.
Let me express it bluntly. Not one of
> us here is worthy of getting personal interviews with the godhead.No interviews.
> Steiner has presented the facts of why this so and with these factAnd it is different for each of us. Although those on a similar path
> we should be able to pin-point our own developmental positions. It
> is called Self Knowledge.
will experience possibly similar moments of recognition. Are you
saying that Dr. Steiner says all of us are unable to experience
living within the Godhead? As well can you please direct me towards
the lecture where he speaks of such a thing. I realize we are
watching out for deception and so forth and must always however this
does not negate the experiences of those that have experienced this.
It almost reminds me of my born again Christian friends who say that
any vision or inspiration I came across must be from the devil,
deception, as only certain people, particulary Priests of the church.
Feel Sophia inside you? You don't even know what this feeling is.
Actually Bradford, it is you who has no idea what this feeling is or
you would have recognized it within me. You did not and do not. And
you do not even think it possible. How do you suppose she can enter
into the recesses of your heart when you deny Her so? It is not
possible. She will keep walking the streets looking in vein for those
who dare to have a real relationship with her.
Not only do I know this feeling, I have seen Her. And it is the most
awespiring vision one can have just about. It is exactly as Deborah
posted earlier. I posted about it at the Ark a few years back. Which
is interesting for me as I read your posts on different points of
Soliviev and so forth as I came to this a few years back. I was not
able to put it in words but come to it I did. I almost feel as if I
am watching the world catch up to what I found while seeking abouts
For you it has swirled around Magadalene as the true Core of Reality,
Bradford, it is the stream Magdalene represents. And you should know
that by now with all your talk. Mabye if you decided to sense into
Magdalene versus talking about her and explicating her you might
understand and then if you are open enough she leads you to Sophia.
She is the daughter representation of Sophia. She is the
representative of Anthroposophia no matter how backwards that may
sound. And if you look to see you will know of what I speak. She is
not soley the Virgin Mother or Mother Mary. She is the three in one
and Magdalene is included in this. I can not do anything to make it
so, it is by itself. And a further mystery shall show itself before I
pass from this life. I do not know by whom but I know it will be
And she is not core, she is of the trinity. She is a part of the
core. Just as Jesus was inhabited so was Magdalene.
as the one the Father truly loves and Christ
> adores more than others because of her sterling feeling life.Wrong. The Father loves all. The Father isn't even anyway in the
manner you speak. I do not say the Father loved her more than the
others. I say Jesus loved her more than the others and it is clear in
the Nag Hammadi. And it is not like a love as we experience rather it
is a love because she understood Him not because of any other thing.
The love was unto the enlightment not the physical kind of love. The
kiss was the sharing of knowledge not the physical kiss. Would you
deny that she knew more than the others? Can you? Who knew more in
your mind? And no it was not a Lazarus. And she knew before even a
Lazarus was spoken of.
> happen to love Magdalene's myth and more connect this to theIt is not a myth it is a happening.
> greatness of Corelli.
> If you have followed Frank's wonderful translation of Myriam, sucha
> gutsy fighter, certainly, must past through many trials of soulWhat is Divine Sentimentality? And of course, just like
> before she can Swirl in Divine Sentimentality.
the 'stepmother' or as the stepmother, she brought these from the
lives past and transformed them at this particular point in time. And
in all actuallity I believe they were already transformed before this
particular point in time. That it was a living out for the witnessing
of the Christs descent.
It has been avoided just as many times. Read my lips. Endocrine
Bradford, I don't understand your point on this. Maybe others do and
then I would wonder if they did why they did not say something.
> Pineal and Pituitary endorphins and swirly feelings with outIf you are referring to me and this 'swirly feeling' thing I have to
> directed conscious intuition is not Michael School method.
say this is not my experience. It is very grounded. It was denied
many times till I finally came to understand what was happening and
was able to see how it was all laying out before me, including
Christian Rosenkrutz. And I am watching it little by little come
And I care not a whit for our understandings of Michael School method
as if you are the say all be all to this point. Michael works in many
ways and his ways are not our ways. You would have no idea with whom
he works and how. I care not a whit for your claims on this.
And now I ask for your Michael experiences Bradford. For one who
writes much I ask very little. Just look inside your heart and bring
them out. And if you come back to me one more time with 'oh your
swirly dervish fishy whatever I will say again your silence speaks
> leads feeling that is POF 101.And what lead thought Bradford? What is it that leads thought? Whose
are we Bradford? Whose?
God doesn't come down, this over used
> phrase by every fundie, god doesn't come down and talk to you orGod manifests Itself all the time. Messages are sent and are seen
> George Bush.
everywhere by those who can see them and hear them. Even Christ says
for those who have ears to hear, hear ye, and those who have eyes to
see, see ye. God does speak to us Bradford even through the ants in
Hindu literature. We are not speaking of 'Dottie, stop picking on
Peter and Tarjei'. So, if this is what you are envisioning of my
meaning you are not correct.
> mentioned recently that the Angels are working feverishling againstYeah yea yeah Bradford. Me and Ahriman are hanging out together with
> the Ahrimanic Deception... good grief.
Sophia and Michael having a few buds.(beer) You sound just like a
fundie with the judgement on who can have the Sophia experience and
God experience. Christ JEsus told us we are children of God and he is
our Father. And my take is the body aspect but then again I know that
gets me in trouble but the Doctor alludes to this as well if not
coming straight out and saying it.
Ahriman is not hanging out in my house Bradford. It seems you are the
one who went and bought the lie that you can not have these
experiences I am talking about. Hmmm.
Standing before such a
> lecture like "The Angels Work in the Astral body of Man" orAnd who is the Angel working for Brad? Anyone we know? Whew.
> following the participation of the Angel in placing a human soul in
> Language and Nurturing, Mothering, and Nurturing the Child through
> their destiny...Angel-Angel-Angel.
> To actually hear what you refuse to hear over and over again isthat
> for Christ to bear the Father God, he was terribly alone as hisGREAT
> entire bone system was infused, as the Seraphim, Cherubim and
> Thrones shivered their fire into the prepared condition of TWO
> INITIATES and an ELOHIM.What the hell are you talking about? I won't hear this? Says who?
That ain't us. Let's get real around here.
Yup, your a fundie of a different nature it seems. You will block the
door but not enter. Go through the door Brad experience your
birthright as a child of God.
> Holy Ghost, as well as ANGEL-Archangel-Archai is a part of thoseflame
> Tongues of inspired flame you are hoping will leap out of poets
> hearts and minds, the minute you mention that you are the true
> of Sophia on Earth.Nope. Not it. I was just wanting to inspire you to share your Sophia
experience so we could meet one another. That's all. I melt when I
hear others who speak on her.
And I do not really know what you mean by saying 'one is a true flame
of Sophia'...what do you mean by this. Do you think I am claiming I
am one with Sophia or whathave you? I am in the service of Michael,
Brad, and Christ. It is Sophia I am seeking in consequence of this. I
found Christ, Michael and now Sophia. It just deepens my life and
allows me to keep deepening it and hopefully till the time it is for
me to go back home.
Lets ask Mike our resident shrink? He is used to handling
> tough cases, his own biography has been a tough case, but I doHmm. Do you know my biography Bradford? And if you did or even take
> admire his realism.
in a few of the things I mentioned on the Ark you would have a pretty
good idea how it is that Christ came to me and why it is that I am
able to experience Him in the manner I have shared before. I am that
reverent child that Dr. Steiner speaks of in How To Know Higher
Worlds. He spoke my life experiences as that which is needed to
experience the higher worlds. I have not experienced the higher
worlds per se, I have however experienced Christ Michael and Sophia.
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