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43360Re: SV: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Fishing the GA of a Fish-Initiate

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  • jmn36210
    Feb 28, 2010
      You'll find the passage in GA 264, page 239 in the 1996 German edition.


      You're welcome :-)

      Jean-Marc



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      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "Kim" <kimgm@...> wrote:
      >
      > Thank you. Do you have a ref.
      > Kim
      > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "jmn36210" jmn36210@
      > wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > According to CC Priests W. Klein and Emil Bock, RS told them in
      > February
      > > 1924:
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > - After his awakening from the dead, The Youth of Nain
      > > became a disciple of Christ.
      > >
      > > - He was *not* part of the twelve.
      > >
      > > - In the next incarnation, he was Manes.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Jean-Marc
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      > > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Kim Graae Munch
      > > kimgm@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I asked about the mission of Steiner short time ago, and it was
      this
      > > precise formulation, teaching of Karma and Reincarnation, and it was
      > > because of the Youth of Nain quote I looked for it.
      > > >
      > > > Steiner have many times talked about two men as a driving force in
      > the
      > > development, and they are both initiated by Christ. As they are part
      > of
      > > the twelve Bodhisattvas the Youth of Nain should also be between the
      > > twelve disciples as Lazarus is.
      > > >
      > > > I know that Mani said that he was the Youth of Nain, but do we
      have
      > an
      > > original Anthro quote?
      > > >
      > > > I am not sure you can equate Mani and Manes, as Mani is the
      > > Bodhisattva and Manes the higher being.
      > > >
      > > > Kim
      > > >
      > > > --- Den fre 26/2/10 skrev jmn36210 jmn36210@:
      > > >
      > > > Fra: jmn36210 jmn36210@
      > > > Emne: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Fishing the GA of a Fish-Initiate
      > > > Til: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Dato: fredag 26. februar 2010 04.35
      > > >
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      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Â
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      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Juan wrote [message #43281]:
      > > >
      > > > "My feeling is that as long as we think of Karma as a "principle",
      a
      > > "law", etc.
      > > > in the abstract, we won't reach a Christian understanding of it.
      > > > <snip>
      > > > Talking of karma is not compatible with "consciousness soul" or
      > > "Christian"
      > > > feelings. This does not mean that it doesn't exist, it means that
      if
      > > we don't
      > > > learn to think in a very different way about it, it is useles.
      > > "Karma", as
      > > > concept, is not Christianized yet. I suggest that "karma" and
      > > "destiny"
      > > > disappear, (...)"
      > > > Â
      > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
      > > --------- --------- ---
      > > > Â
      > > > Rudolf Steiner [GA 114 - September 26, 1909]:
      > > > Â
      > > > "It would, however, be sheer misapprehension to imagine that what
      > the
      > > Law of Karma enables us to understand is not also implicit in the
      > words
      > > of the Gospel of St. Luke. It is indeed there, only we must realize
      > that
      > > the needs of the human soul differ in different epochs and that it
      is
      > > not always the task of the great emissaries in world-evolution to
      > impart
      > > the absolute truth in abstract form, because men at different stages
      > of
      > > maturity simply would not understand it; the great pioneers and
      > > missionaries must speak in such a way that men receive what is right
      > and
      > > suitable in a particular epoch.<snip>
      > > > Anyone possessed of faculties that can be kindled by spiritual
      > science
      > > will realize from the voice of his own soul that the teaching of
      Karma
      > > and Reincarnation is indispensable. It must be remembered however
      that
      > > evolution is not fortuitous and in point of fact it is only now, in
      > our
      > > own time, that human souls have become sufficiently mature to
      discover
      > > these truths through their own insight. It would not have been a
      good
      > > thing to give out the teaching of Karma and Reincarnations
      > exoterically
      > > a few centuries ago; and it would have been detrimental to evolution
      > if
      > > the present content of spiritual science â€" for which human
      souls
      > > are longing and with which research into the foundations of the
      > Gospels
      > > is connected â€" had been imparted openly to mankind a few
      hundred
      > > years earlier.<snip>
      > > > Humanity has only now become sufficiently mature to assimilate the
      > > spiritual content of the teaching of Karma and Reincarnation.<snip>
      > > > Therefore Karma and Reincarnation were not taught as abstract
      > > doctrines, but feelings were cultivated through which human souls
      > would
      > > gradually become ready to receive this teaching. What was needed at
      > that
      > > time was to speak in a way that could lead by degrees to an
      > > understanding of Karma and Reincarnation rather than any enunciation
      > of
      > > the teaching itself.<snip>
      > > > It was necessary that these feelings should flow into the souls of
      > > men. The souls then living, to whom the teaching was given in this
      > form,
      > > were not, until they were again incarnated, ready to receive, as
      > wisdom,
      > > the teaching of Karma and Reincarnation.<snip>
      > > > But Christ had also to provide for the appearance, in later times,
      > of
      > > an Individuality who would bring to humanity in a form compatible
      with
      > > subsequent evolution, that for which men would by then be
      ready.<snip>
      > > > Thus Christ provided for the subsequent appearance of an
      > Individuality
      > > able to bring Christianity to a further stage of development.
      Moreover
      > > the mission of the Individuality who had been awakened in the young
      > man
      > > of Nain is destined to permeate Christianity later on, and to an
      > > ever-increasing extent, with the teachings of Karma and
      Reincarnation
      > > â€" teachings which when Christ was on Earth could not be
      > > proclaimed explicitly as wisdom, because the human soul had first to
      > > receive them into the life of feeling."
      > > > Â
      > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------
      > > >
      > > > The Individuality of the young man of Nain, was reincarnated in
      the
      > > 3rd century
      > > > as Mani/Manes -Â and initiated CRC in 1459.
      > > > And, by the way, Rudolf Steiner did mention that his own mission
      was
      > > > first and foremost ---Â the teaching of Karma and
      Reincarnation.
      > > > Â
      > > > Jean-Marc
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