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43334Re: SV: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Fishing the GA of a Fish-Initiate

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  • Kim
    Feb 27, 2010
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      Thank you. Do you have a ref.
      Kim
      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "jmn36210" <jmn36210@...>
      wrote:
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      > According to CC Priests W. Klein and Emil Bock, RS told them in
      February
      > 1924:
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      > - After his awakening from the dead, The Youth of Nain
      > became a disciple of Christ.
      >
      > - He was *not* part of the twelve.
      >
      > - In the next incarnation, he was Manes.
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      > Jean-Marc
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      > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, Kim Graae Munch
      > kimgm@ wrote:
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      > > I asked about the mission of Steiner short time ago, and it was this
      > precise formulation, teaching of Karma and Reincarnation, and it was
      > because of the Youth of Nain quote I looked for it.
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      > > Steiner have many times talked about two men as a driving force in
      the
      > development, and they are both initiated by Christ. As they are part
      of
      > the twelve Bodhisattvas the Youth of Nain should also be between the
      > twelve disciples as Lazarus is.
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      > > I know that Mani said that he was the Youth of Nain, but do we have
      an
      > original Anthro quote?
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      > > I am not sure you can equate Mani and Manes, as Mani is the
      > Bodhisattva and Manes the higher being.
      > >
      > > Kim
      > >
      > > --- Den fre 26/2/10 skrev jmn36210 jmn36210@:
      > >
      > > Fra: jmn36210 jmn36210@
      > > Emne: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Fishing the GA of a Fish-Initiate
      > > Til: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
      > > Dato: fredag 26. februar 2010 04.35
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      > > Juan wrote [message #43281]:
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      > > "My feeling is that as long as we think of Karma as a "principle", a
      > "law", etc.
      > > in the abstract, we won't reach a Christian understanding of it.
      > > <snip>
      > > Talking of karma is not compatible with "consciousness soul" or
      > "Christian"
      > > feelings. This does not mean that it doesn't exist, it means that if
      > we don't
      > > learn to think in a very different way about it, it is useles.
      > "Karma", as
      > > concept, is not Christianized yet. I suggest that "karma" and
      > "destiny"
      > > disappear, (...)"
      > > Â
      > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
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      > > Rudolf Steiner [GA 114 - September 26, 1909]:
      > > Â
      > > "It would, however, be sheer misapprehension to imagine that what
      the
      > Law of Karma enables us to understand is not also implicit in the
      words
      > of the Gospel of St. Luke. It is indeed there, only we must realize
      that
      > the needs of the human soul differ in different epochs and that it is
      > not always the task of the great emissaries in world-evolution to
      impart
      > the absolute truth in abstract form, because men at different stages
      of
      > maturity simply would not understand it; the great pioneers and
      > missionaries must speak in such a way that men receive what is right
      and
      > suitable in a particular epoch.<snip>
      > > Anyone possessed of faculties that can be kindled by spiritual
      science
      > will realize from the voice of his own soul that the teaching of Karma
      > and Reincarnation is indispensable. It must be remembered however that
      > evolution is not fortuitous and in point of fact it is only now, in
      our
      > own time, that human souls have become sufficiently mature to discover
      > these truths through their own insight. It would not have been a good
      > thing to give out the teaching of Karma and Reincarnations
      exoterically
      > a few centuries ago; and it would have been detrimental to evolution
      if
      > the present content of spiritual science â€" for which human souls
      > are longing and with which research into the foundations of the
      Gospels
      > is connected â€" had been imparted openly to mankind a few hundred
      > years earlier.<snip>
      > > Humanity has only now become sufficiently mature to assimilate the
      > spiritual content of the teaching of Karma and Reincarnation.<snip>
      > > Therefore Karma and Reincarnation were not taught as abstract
      > doctrines, but feelings were cultivated through which human souls
      would
      > gradually become ready to receive this teaching. What was needed at
      that
      > time was to speak in a way that could lead by degrees to an
      > understanding of Karma and Reincarnation rather than any enunciation
      of
      > the teaching itself.<snip>
      > > It was necessary that these feelings should flow into the souls of
      > men. The souls then living, to whom the teaching was given in this
      form,
      > were not, until they were again incarnated, ready to receive, as
      wisdom,
      > the teaching of Karma and Reincarnation.<snip>
      > > But Christ had also to provide for the appearance, in later times,
      of
      > an Individuality who would bring to humanity in a form compatible with
      > subsequent evolution, that for which men would by then be ready.<snip>
      > > Thus Christ provided for the subsequent appearance of an
      Individuality
      > able to bring Christianity to a further stage of development. Moreover
      > the mission of the Individuality who had been awakened in the young
      man
      > of Nain is destined to permeate Christianity later on, and to an
      > ever-increasing extent, with the teachings of Karma and Reincarnation
      > â€" teachings which when Christ was on Earth could not be
      > proclaimed explicitly as wisdom, because the human soul had first to
      > receive them into the life of feeling."
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      > > The Individuality of the young man of Nain, was reincarnated in the
      > 3rd century
      > > as Mani/Manes -Â and initiated CRC in 1459.
      > > And, by the way, Rudolf Steiner did mention that his own mission was
      > > first and foremost ---Â the teaching of Karma and Reincarnation.
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