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  • Mikko Nuuttila
    Sep 9, 2009
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      It says "giving joy to the heart" in the New International Version, not "returns the soul". In some Finnish versions, it says "refreshens the soul" and says the word for refreshen in English is "convert" which is closer to the idea return. Heinola translates directly from Hebrew. I hope we can trust his translations also, for he says the Bible is replete with errors in translation. Heinola also uses word comparisons to check within Hebrew the closest words, which is an old Kabbalistic method, to choose the best meaning for the word he is translating, if there are many possibilities.
      Mikko


      From: dottie zold <dottie_z@...>
      To: anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43:03 AM
      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] job and reincarnation

       

      I can find in no bible the translation about the soul returning in Psalms 19:8....do you know what bible he is talking about, what translation?
       
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      "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner

      --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@yahoo. com> wrote:

      From: Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@yahoo. com>
      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] job and reincarnation
      To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
      Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 12:12 AM



      Seppo Heinola teaches further that the idea of reincarnation may be seen in the Psalm 19:8 (God's law is perfect, it makes the soul return). The previous verse talks about the sun and law (Torah) also means the wheel, which may be the sun, that always goes away and then returns, he says. Psalm 90:3 "You make people return to dust and say return again you children of people." Kabbalists especially refer to this psalm when talking about reincarnation. There are many indications on the net how the book of Job can NOT be seen as a reincarnation story, which points out how there must have been attempts to view it as such. I don't remember any other ideas for now about it except how you will get a brand new body at one point in the story, which would seem to be about reincarnation somehow.
       
      "the book of "Preacher"" in the Bible: (sorry, the translations are mine)
      The wheels of life
      before the silver cord is broken
      and the golden vessel is broken
      and the water pot is broken at the fountain
      and the lifting wheel falls, broken, into the well
       
      and the dust returns to earth
      from whence it came from
      and the soul returns to God
      who also gave it
       
      The wheel galgal is close to the word galal, which means the little balls of excrement the Scarab pushes on the ground in Egypt as a symbol of the Sun, Heinola points out. The places creating dead matter, faeces, and life, sperm, are close to each other in the body and the words shit and sex closely resemble each other, he says without making it sound too banal.
       
      Brian Snellgrove teaches in his book about the auras that scientists have found out that bugs such as the scarab communicate in gamma waves. These waves happen to be emitted by black holes according to Hawking. The Egyptians viewed the sutures of the back skull as the back of the scarab symbolically speaking. The Silva Mind Control Method teaches you to communicate with the center of the galaxy (black hole) by bowing your head as in prayer so the back of the skull does the job. Tensegrity of Carlos Castaneda teaches a move to contact the black hole and in it, you bow your head too and reveal your back skull to it, which we know incidentally is the scarab. Growing talk about stargates and our evolution in the cosmos through wormholes in the new age community on the net is an indicatory trend of all these kinds of matters.
       
      Mikko


      From: dottie zold <dottie_z@yahoo. com>
      To: anthroposophy_ tomorrow@ yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 6:31:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_ tomorrow] Steiner and Zarathustra

       
      Hi Mikko,
       
      Can you share more about how it is seen as a reincarnation story? I am always looking to see the places where this can be shown in the Bible for my Christian friends.
       
      Thanks,
      Dottie

      "If there is something more powerful than destiny, this must be the human being who bears destiny unshaken." Rudolf Steiner






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