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29838Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: for the WC people (Franky, Dottie, Tarjei)

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  • dottie zold
    Dec 1, 2006
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      Oh Mike, please! did you just invite this man to
      discuss his holocaust denial loveing Bondareving butt
      here on line?

      Whew,
      d





      --- Mike helsher <mhelsher@...> wrote:

      > --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com,
      > Robert Mason
      > <robertsmason_99@...> wrote:
      > >
      >
      > >
      > > Tarjei wrote:
      > >
      > > >>The problem with Robert Mason is that he's an
      > > apologist for holocaust denial and for a long
      > > list of anti-Semitic weirdos who say that
      > > Auschwitz was a benign and humane work camp. .
      > > . . [etc., etc.]<<
      > >
      > > Robert writes:
      > >
      > > Tarjei, the last time around I gave up trying
      > > to talk with you for much the same reason that
      > > I quit the WC list: I don't want to spend my
      > > time and energy in discussions that are plainly
      > > doomed to futility. But you just keep at it
      > > anyway. I had suggested that you read what I
      > > actually did write to the WC, but you refused,
      > > giving the obviously false excuse that "I have
      > > not read your WC posts because I don't read the
      > > WC." And you apparently still haven't read
      > > what I wrote but just continue to promulgate
      > > your hallucinations of things I supposedly
      > > said or meant.
      > >
      > > So I still have to wonder, "what could be
      > > happening in your mind?" I had attributed your
      > > attitude to prejudice, but now it seems to me
      > > that something more pernicious than mere
      > > prejudice is at work in you. Now I'm thinking
      > > that maybe you do really smoke dope and that
      > > your rants about me are the expressions of your
      > > stoned, freaked-out sense of humor. Or maybe
      > > you smoke so much dope that you don't know when
      > > you are making stuff up or when you are joking
      > > or when you are serious? But, to me, that
      > > blatantly false excuse is an indication not of
      > > a lack of seriousness so much as a lack of
      > > sincerity. Still, maybe you are so permanently
      > > stoned that you had forgotten that you do read
      > > the WC? (Doesn't seem likely to me.)
      > >
      > > Some years ago I read Ron Dunselman's book *In
      > > Place of the Self*. So I Googled a little and
      > > found the article "Not I: The Physical and Non-
      > > Physical Effects of Drugs, and their Treatment"
      > > <http://www.charlest.uklinux.net/arta.html>
      > > This brief overview of Dunselman's work
      > > includes this passage:
      > >
      > > "Hashish (marijuana) and opium affect the link
      > > between the life and feeling bodies [i.e. the
      > > etheric and astral bodies -- RM] B. They induce
      > > a dream consciousness as when asleep, though
      > > the drug user is awake. Hash is metabolised
      > > very slowly with traces still present in the
      > > brain after some 30 days. Very frequent users
      > > experience loss of memory and become confused,
      > > producing the so called 'hash-thought'."
      > >
      > > And so now I'm thinking that if you would get
      > > off drugs, detox the poisons from your
      > > organism, go through some therapy such as the
      > > "Arta" program, and get your astral body re-
      > > connected to your ethereal body, then *maybe*,
      > > after time, we might be able to have a rational
      > > conversation. I might still have to contend
      > > with your prejudice, but at least I wouldn't
      > > have to contend with your drug-induced
      > > insanity.
      > >
      > > -- The preceding is of course based on the hope
      > > that your problem is something as simple as
      > > Mary G. Whanna. But if that's not the problem;
      > > if you just naturally are the way you are --
      > > then the situation is probably a lot more
      > > complicated, and lot more "pernicious". Maybe
      > > the general, world-wide mass insanity
      > > surrounding the "Holocaust" and related issues
      > > has somehow hooked into your particular,
      > > freaked-out psycho-organism in an unusually
      > > virulent way . . . . I could only guess.
      > >
      > > But right now, I don't see any basis for a
      > > worthwhile discussion between us. And unless
      > > and until you give me some evidence of some
      > > real earnestness and sincerity on your part,
      > > frankly, I don't want to spend my time on you.
      > > This is sad, perhaps, but for me it's a matter
      > > of *triage* with my time and mental energy.
      > >
      > > I do wish for your health, in all aspects.
      > >
      > > Robert Mason
      >
      > Hummm... Tarjei's remark must have hit home, for you
      > to make such a
      > personal attack, based on your assumptions about his
      > lifestyle.
      >
      > I've found Tarjei's scope on this list to be broad,
      > intense,
      > articulate, and rediculously funny - whilst hanging
      > on to a certain
      > sense irony that is imaginative, inspiring,
      > and...ahhh...something
      > else...(I must have done to much dope too).
      >
      > I personally haven't used any "trendy chemical
      > amusement aids" in
      > coming up on 17 years, and have amassed a solid
      > understanding (I
      > think) as to the motives involved with cronic drug
      > abuse. I find your
      > lack of empathy disturbing, though your lip service
      > at the end of
      > your post has potential.
      >
      > I'm about as earnest, sincere, and earthy as they
      > come (pardon my
      > humility), but my cronic obcessive need for
      > humorously pointing out
      > stupidity sometimes gets in the way (Is there a
      > twelve step
      > fellowship for OCHD? (obcessive compulsive Humor
      > disorder)). So if
      > you wanna chat some of your Holocaust denial Jive
      > with an
      > inarticulate recovered dope fiend, that has fallen
      > hopelessly in Love
      > with the spirit of what RS was trying to put into
      > WORDS, I might be
      > willing to accomadate your seeming need for
      > "earnestness and
      > sencerity". And I promise that I will do my best and
      > try not to
      > write ANYTHING FUNNY.
      >
      > Mike
      >
      >
      >




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