107Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Divine Feminine
- Nov 10, 2003Dottie:Steiner does make mention that Christ Jesus did bring the Apostles along by stages through the different levels of Initiation so that they too were Initiates. The twelve attained the level of Imagination when the Gospels relate the scene of the walking on water. As time went on only three were able to attain Inspiration on Mount Tabor; the Transfiguration. And even here it begins to become evident that these three, Peter along with James and John ben Zebedee, were not able to fully remain conscious through this Initiation. Finally, these three were to pass through the Initiation of Intuition and it is here that they fail completely. They cannot retain consciousness. They are then unable to pass through the Event of Golgotha in spirit-consciousness with Christ: not just physically present at the Cross but rather they were to become one spiritually with Christ (in Intuition with Christ) throughout the whole event of Golgotha. They could not. Days prior to this Christ had initiated Lazarus with the intent that if His chosen Apostles could not stay with Him there would be one who could and would become the bearer of the astral body of Christ Jesus which would then become the source of the Gospel of John. This was Lazarus as Steiner had pointed out in his lectures on the Gospel of John in Hamburg, 1908. Mary Magdalene was certainly another Initiate of Christ. It was she who experienced the Risen Christ and told it to the others. I don't have anything from Steiner that addresses the level of initiation that she had achieved though the Gnostic Gospels mention her as being more advanced than the Apostles themselves. It should be noted that though Lazarus became John in name he was not John who accompanied Christ to Mt. Tabor nor was he John who slept while Christ passed through His agony in the Garden of Gethsemane. Lazarus and Mary Magdalene were brother and sister along with Martha; all three of whom were mentioned as being "loved" by Christ.rick distasi----- Original Message -----From: dottie zoldSent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:01 AMSubject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Divine FeminineMorning Rick,
> It should be noted that Steiner has made known to us
> that when the disciple who Jesus loved is mentioned
> the Gospel is pointing to the fact that this is an
> initiate that Christ Jesus has initiated.
When you say initiate do you mean to convey that the
other diciples were not, other than this one whom
Jesus loved? If so I would have to say that it could
be none other than the Magdalene, and that the raising
of Lazarus points to that, not to mention all the
comments in the Nag Hammadi referring to Jesus loving
her the most and kissing her on the mouth and so
forth. As I said earlier I have seen it referenced in
many places, not specifically pointing to Magdalene,
that kissing on the mouth is an initiatic reference.
The book I am reading on the Sufis speaks of this as
I don't think anyone can really say for 100 % that a
thing is such and such. I can only say that in my
personal studies I can not find Lazarus as a being in
the manner he is discussed. I am open to it not having
been Magdalene if this is the truth.
I am wondering if you are aware of any other
initiatic experience to the level of the 'beloved' in
the bible? Maybe it has escaped me and there is
another way of looking at this Lazarus thing. When I
trail the Marys I find they are indeed 'one whom God
helped' in the OT as well: the sister of Moses and the
woman with Elija given the rod. Its funny because it
is noted by a few scholars that Muhammed made a
mistake by naming the Virgin Mary as the sister of
Moses. They say he confused his Marys. I say he knew
'exactly' what he was saying its just there wasn't
anyone of understanding who was enlightened enough to
see what he was saying.
> have already stressed this in your past posts so if
> I'm repeating something already mentioned and noted
> by you please excuse me.
No, I hadn't stressed it although I did mention it.
This tends to get me in a bit of hot water with
Christoligists. But I didn't pull this out of thin
air. It came from within. I think when I saw your
words this morning it made me wonder, because I am
always looking for a way to be wrong about my
insights, if I am onto something with Lazarus or if
there is another initiative scene that could possibly
> speak to the Magdalene mystery as the 'beloved'.
> The one passage that I find intriguing is that these
> passages speak of making Mary Magdalene into a male.
> Does it mean that she is taught certain things and
> initiated to a certain degree that she is now
> respected as a Rabbi or Teacher?
I think it is more than that. However, she is now
called, I can't remember since when, maybe the
fifties, The Apostle to The Apostles by the Catholic
Church: Teacher to the Teachers. I believe Steiners
Genesis speaks to the 'male' thing. I believe it may
be the 'raying' out of the ...well I will find it in
the book today. I believe it is the persons who are
able to radiate love, Christ/Sun like, from within to
without like the suns rays from above. And I believe
it is said this happened during the time when we were
coming into being. I believe it is what happened when
the ancient sages of the day called out to the Cosmos
and they heard a resounding 'yes'(my belief)returning:
I believe that is the male aspect and the humans are
the female aspect as the recievers. Eunichs have made
themselves recievers of the 'word' so that they can
I believe she is called Apostle to the Apostles for
many reasons and mostly because she was able to
recognize Jesus as the Christ when resssurected. She
was the only one. Which brings up an interesting point
of recognizing Jesus 'as' the Christ. A man was truly
ressurected as one in Christ. And this is why I
believe she is the inspirant for the Fourth Gospel and
also the reason I see her as representing the Sophia,
daughter voice of God.
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