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  • lightsearcher1
    (Concluding portion of article) June 1, 2003 THE NEW YORK TIMES (Concluding portion of article only) Weimar Whiners by James Traub Fascist states arise not
    Message 1 of 10 , Jun 2, 2003
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      (Concluding portion of article)

      June 1, 2003
      THE NEW YORK TIMES

      (Concluding portion of article only)

      Weimar Whiners
      by James Traub

      Fascist states arise not simply
      because a mesmerizing leader
      seizes state power in unsettled
      times but because the democratic
      institutions that might oppose him
      have rotted away, as they did in
      Weimar Germany.

      Has that really happened here?

      (snip...)

      Much of the left seems to feel that the
      greatest threat to emerge from 9/11 is
      an untrammeled Bush administration --
      as if the destruction of the twin towers
      was the functional equivalent of the
      Reichstag fire, as I have heard one of
      my friends say.

      And yet even the most devout civil libertarians
      recognize that the terrorist threat compels rethinking.

      Norman Siegel, the former head of the New York
      Civil Liberties Union and a famous First
      Amendment purist, says, ''The security interests
      are real, they're legitimate and you have to balance
      freedom and security in a different way post-9/11.''

      Siegel says that he has been hard put to
      explain to skeptical audiences that the Patriot Act,
      for all its problems, does not preclude traditional
      forms of peaceful protest.

      Why, then, the hysteria?

      I have several explanations.

      First of all, you cannot miss the element of
      wish-fulfillment in these prophecies of doom.

      Those of Bush's critics who loathe him as
      an overprivileged lout and corporate cats'
      paw regard the new moral and political
      stature he has gained as a result of the war
      on terror as an intolerable twist of fate; and
      so the terrible events they predict will prove
      the ultimate unmasking.

      We will see ''Bush as Fuhrer,'' to cite one
      recent Internet posting. But we will also, of course,
      see America as Germany, a society so ''demobilized''
      that it will stay glued to reality TV as Karl Rove
      cancels the presidential elections.

      It is this contemptuous dismissal, I realize, that
      makes my blood boil every time I hear
      the 1933 analogy.

      When will the left learn that this is not simply
      a nation of dimwitted yahoos?

      [END]

      http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/01/magazine/01WWLN.html?pagewanted=
      print&position=

      . . . . . . . . .
    • Bradford Riley
      Nicely integrated response and certainly maintains a wonderful pragmatic feeling/thought that all these political machinations are just attempts to think
      Message 2 of 10 , Jun 2, 2003
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        Nicely integrated response and certainly maintains a wonderful pragmatic
        feeling/thought that all these political machinations are just attempts to
        think through a difficult problem. The perception of what we feel,
        unmentioned, was missed by the world in 1933 and the perception that Weimar
        was a key to the false direction.. is... you are right.. based on
        information that there is an obscure base of information, untouched, dealing
        with the Christ Event and social impulses that are still missed in the
        evaluation by the leading thinkers today. But natually such insights are not
        needed in our well run world.

        Naturally that would appear to be comparing apples and oranges, but as you
        have pointed out, there is something in the Democratic experiment in Weimar
        that had profound faults. I cannot discount the feeling perception that
        there is a Michael Cultural mandate and that many have brought such a
        feeling into incarnation. This feeling, IMO, still does not reflect what the
        Philospher Kings are placing before us as justification of a whole series of
        lies. We hope that the rabid lies that have been produced to make us think
        otherwise than Michael - Our Age and this Time that has the Christ Impulse
        in it, does not prevail. Or, just Or, my and millions of others perceptions,
        on the other hand, on the other account balance are as you have described
        and others of that school have described... just liberal hot air.

        Yet, vast data of rich depth is not opened for cultural discussion as to the
        planning and consideration of actions on the global and political fronts are
        vaiously outlined. Why should the experience and the facts of the Spiritual
        World take a back seat to the limited and lie infested perspectives that
        have launched us into the 21 century with amounts to the same old, same old?
        Why should we just lie down and say, Ya, they never heard of Steiner or the
        Michael impulse therefore what is the relevency of 1933, a sputter of
        liberal coughing and big fat liberal errrors that failed and will always
        fail.

        So discernment of such rich lore that the Michael School integrates with
        research into our current cultural events is either tainted liberal
        nonesense and Steiner should be left out of the picture or we include all
        the data of Spiritual Science in our discussions and integrate them because
        men and woman have come from the Spiritual World - but that also might widen
        the narrow little crack of thinking and damage the efficient model of Good
        vs Evil that feels so easy to manipulate.

        For my part. The data remains skewed and the thinkers narrow. I may be too
        wide, but I would always be willing to sit down with Wolfowitz and of course
        I would love it if you were there and at least have someone who can bring
        the perspective with more intelligence than I. Why should such a chunk of
        thinking humanity be left out of the picture. Is it because the majority who
        remains blocked from the discussion... like all of Europe and various
        pockets of minorities are just flies in the efficient ointment? Any process
        where enormous debt and War draw us into morass after morass at this
        critical time, should be weighed by as much depth as we can muster..

        But maybe you are right. Steiner would have agreed totally with this
        Administrations policies...I am sure his thoughts on the subject would be
        relevant today. But as you have pointed out, Weimar's errors and the
        undercurrent forces that made Weimar both a birthing ground for Goethe and
        Steiner also made it a wonderful target for global mockery and Liberal
        error. If of course the manipulation of the fire and the Philosopher Kings
        were mere weak, fledgling Platonists without the spiritual muscle of
        Aristotle, or Novalis/John the Baptist... real Philosopher
        Kings...Manipulation, and lies to achieve an end is also partly a history of
        the silly liberals who gave humanism a shot in Weimar but also left the door
        open for the retaliatory strike and Poetic Justice of Ahriman as he declared
        war on Michael from Weimar.

        You are very right, when we get inside of the brains of those who bring
        horrible terms of your either for us or againsts us... and proceed to bully
        the world.. Ahrimanic impulses are obviously not what we should look for..
        Because.. under your proscription.. lies, manipulation and Machievelli and
        Strauss misinterpretations become, absurd, silly and Whacky theories. But
        why do I get the constant impression that wolves are guarding the American
        hen house?

        Bradford

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      • Joel Wendt
        Dear Lightsearcher (whomever you are in real life), Some of what Traub says contains truth, which is common to a lot of political speech and analysis. There
        Message 3 of 10 , Jun 3, 2003
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          Dear Lightsearcher (whomever you are in "real" life),

          Some of what Traub says contains truth, which is common to a lot of
          political speech and analysis. There are folks out there who make the
          Nazi analogy. However, the totality of those whose politics might be
          considered Left of Center do not make this analogy, and it is
          disingenuous of Traub to suggest it. Some of the Right also make
          extreme statements of various kinds (for example suggesting dissent is
          unpatriotic), but clearly not all on the Right do this.

          The main problem with Traub's approach, however, is that it glosses
          over the real facts of the damage to civil liberties done by the Bush
          administration. The excuse used in many cases by those who support this
          abuse of our freedoms, is that security demands it.

          This is not true, but rather is historically the common excuse given
          when a sitting government begins to move in a neo-fascist direction,
          wrapping itself in ever greater assumptions of power and rights at the
          expense of the governed. The better and wiser thinkers among history's
          statesmen (as against mere politicians) clearly understand this.

          In fact, to imagine we increase security at the expense of liberty is
          to lose the battle to the terrorists, for this is precisely what they
          wish to achieve by their actions - a victory at the level of psychology,
          driving us to act out of fear (seeking security) instead of out of
          reason (preserving our way of life at all costs).

          What have our warriors fought for over the years, if not for our
          freedoms. If we give those away out of irrational fears then we are
          truly lost, and the blood shed has been in vain. Further, a leader who
          suggests we give him greater and greater power because of fears, that he
          and his kind encourage and cultivate, is no friend of liberty or of our
          Constitution, but rather a traitor to both.

          joel

          On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 17:16, lightsearcher1 wrote:
          >
          > (Concluding portion of article)
          >
          > June 1, 2003
          > THE NEW YORK TIMES
          >
          > (Concluding portion of article only)
          >
          > Weimar Whiners
          > by James Traub
          >
          > Fascist states arise not simply
          > because a mesmerizing leader
          > seizes state power in unsettled
          > times but because the democratic
          > institutions that might oppose him
          > have rotted away, as they did in
          > Weimar Germany.
          >
          > Has that really happened here?
          >
          > (snip...)
          >
          > Much of the left seems to feel that the
          > greatest threat to emerge from 9/11 is
          > an untrammeled Bush administration --
          > as if the destruction of the twin towers
          > was the functional equivalent of the
          > Reichstag fire, as I have heard one of
          > my friends say.
          >
          > And yet even the most devout civil libertarians
          > recognize that the terrorist threat compels rethinking.
          >
          > Norman Siegel, the former head of the New York
          > Civil Liberties Union and a famous First
          > Amendment purist, says, ''The security interests
          > are real, they're legitimate and you have to balance
          > freedom and security in a different way post-9/11.''
          >
          > Siegel says that he has been hard put to
          > explain to skeptical audiences that the Patriot Act,
          > for all its problems, does not preclude traditional
          > forms of peaceful protest.
          >
          > Why, then, the hysteria?
          >
          > I have several explanations.
          >
          > First of all, you cannot miss the element of
          > wish-fulfillment in these prophecies of doom.
          >
          > Those of Bush's critics who loathe him as
          > an overprivileged lout and corporate cats'
          > paw regard the new moral and political
          > stature he has gained as a result of the war
          > on terror as an intolerable twist of fate; and
          > so the terrible events they predict will prove
          > the ultimate unmasking.
          >
          > We will see ''Bush as Fuhrer,'' to cite one
          > recent Internet posting. But we will also, of course,
          > see America as Germany, a society so ''demobilized''
          > that it will stay glued to reality TV as Karl Rove
          > cancels the presidential elections.
          >
          > It is this contemptuous dismissal, I realize, that
          > makes my blood boil every time I hear
          > the 1933 analogy.
          >
          > When will the left learn that this is not simply
          > a nation of dimwitted yahoos?
          >
          > [END]
          >
          > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/01/magazine/01WWLN.html?pagewanted=
          > print&position=
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        • holderlin66
          The tale continues to get better and better. But the Imagination of humanity weaker and weaker. Let us look again, the Weimar Connection is exactly what we
          Message 4 of 10 , Jun 3, 2003
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            The tale continues to get better and better. But the Imagination of
            humanity weaker and weaker. Let us look again, the Weimar Connection
            is exactly what we might call a smoking gun.

            http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/hist/fire.html

            "On the 27th February the Reichstag is empty as it had been in recess
            since December. At around 20:30 one of the caretakers checks the
            building and finds nothing unusual. At 20:50 a postman is passing the
            entrance to the session chamber and notices nothing unusual.
            At 21:05 a student sees a man carrying a burning brand on the first
            floor. By 21:14 the fire alarm is received by the local firestation
            and the firemen are in the building by 21:24 but fires are breaking
            out everywhere. At 21:27 there is a huge explosion and the great
            chamber is enveloped by flames. In the rear of the building a half
            naked dutchman, Marinus van der Lubbe is discovered and arrested. He
            claims to have done it as "a protest".

            Hitler and Goring arrive on the scene. Goring at once accuses the
            communists. The next day the ageing President signs a decree which
            allows the nazis to suspend freedom of speech which they use to ban
            virtually the entire opposition press. Communists are arrested
            wholesale though the party is not banned until after the elections so
            that the left vote will remain split."

            Bradford comments;

            We have much more than a smoking gun. We have a grudge match between
            the forces of Ahriman and Michael. Steiner's birthday, on the Earth,
            was Feb. 27. In the actual battle to understand "The Weimar
            Connection" we include the Christ event that was dawning in the year
            1933. 'Keep our eyes open in 1933', Steiner predicted, but little did
            we know that "Vision and the Goethean Impulse" was exactly the
            motives of getting that terrorist fire from the Goetheanum started
            and that terrorist War lit from Weimar in 1933 on Steiner's birthday.
            Things are strange and our Imagination and our navigation to
            understand how the current White House, once again raises the image
            of Weimar - Goethe's Weimar, where Goethe himself damaged Ahriman and
            Steiner literally kicked the old God in the face, while trying to
            pull Nietzsche out of his grip, certainly pissed off Ahriman. What if
            Nietzsche could have been declared clinically insane - that of course
            is what we are called who think with the Michael School.

            We can safely compare to the Sting and the confrontation that is
            represented by Frodo against the Ring Wraiths in the first "Lord of
            the Rings". This is real vision and real history when it comes to
            WWII and the current events that have brought America under close
            scrutiny for awaking and forcing the old Mars Paradigm onto humanity
            in the 21st century. This is real history in "Vision and the Goethean
            Impulse". You want some ugly insights go here:

            http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:b6GR34FYQhcJ:www.w-
            reich.de/hdobant.pdf+Rudolf+Steiner%27s+birthday+feb+27&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

            Bradford continues;

            Terrorism back then, like the burning of the 1st Goetheanum, was
            Fire, the alarms of the fire truck, the image of the flames burning,
            the destruction of the Great Work of the Michael Community and the
            destruction of the effect of the Weimar Democracy, as a model to
            liberals of all stripes far into the future. Well we have arrived at
            the window to look back into terrorism and what manipulated terrorism
            and political machinations that fog, cloud and corrupt the image of
            Spiritual Insight as deeply valid. Ahriman has the vicious tools to
            come after Michael and why not really get your thinking as poetic as
            the Gods. That is really what it is all about.

            We fail to realize that the poetry of the Gods, the poetic
            correspondences will be manifest as history, even if the wills and
            thinking of those engaged in the deed haven't a clue what the real
            cosmic issues of the events are about. History, destiny, karma and
            life give us clues which shout back their reality or at least whisper
            them to our souls. Here is indeed an intimate smoking gun. Go figure.
            It is a Tiger Tail and you should hold onto it.

            http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/history/A0860672.html

            "In Jan., 1933, when Adolf Hitler became chancellor without an
            absolute majority, the Reichstag was dissolved and new elections were
            set for Mar. 5; a violent election campaign ensued. On Feb. 27, 1933,
            a fire destroyed part of the Reichstag building. Hitler immediately
            accused the Communists of having set the fire. President von
            Hindenburg proclaimed a state of emergency and issued decrees
            suspending freedom of speech and assembly. The elections gave a bare
            majority of seats to Hitler's National Socialists (Nazis; see
            National Socialism) and their allies, the German Nationalists. Severe
            measures were taken against the Communist party, and its deputies
            were barred from the Reichstag."

            Bradford continues;

            Christ is Awakening again in the Etheric World and Steiner indicated
            that 1933 would be a key year to observe, even after he was dead.
            Where do you stand in the Michael and Ahriman debate? Certainly
            Weimar and all that has been brought and that currently is being
            brought indicates something of the mirror actions of the Weimar
            period. 1933 to 2003 and we have returned full circle to Weimar where
            the U.S. policies have taken on a dangerous note. America has drawn
            the world back into a pre-christ, pre-Mars paradigm and is attempting
            to destroy the efforts of the Founding Fathers and the Freedoms we
            have fought for. What an old game of bait and switch.

            You see Socrates was hated by the Athenians because he was the horse
            fly that constantly thought through issues that the Athenians didn't
            want to hear. Leo Strauss takes up Socrates and we, our Michael
            research follow the basis of Socrates on into the future. Now Goethe
            was one of those artist types that was exiled from Athens after all
            the wonders he did. In other words, Goethe was the Artist Phidias.
            Goethe returns with a slowly developing God Eye that is linked to
            understanding the school of Goethean Observation. Steiner understands
            the developing God Eye and both Goethe, Novalis and Steiner, all true
            Philosopher Kings confront and hold Ahriman's squirming, freezing
            soul and nail it. Why do you think Spiritual Science delivers a
            different and more potent vision of history?

            I have nothing against Leo Strauss or Wolfowitz nor did the nice long
            article on the 'flat logic' 'flat thinking' and quiet little ideas
            that Wolfowitz presented in Vanity Fair mean a great deal. What means
            a great deal is to understand the rich tapestry of history and its
            return in our very backyards, in America... now. Lie? True? Slightly
            True? National Equirer? Seeing how the poetry and history of the Gods
            and Man trail through time? The Loss of the 1st Goetheanum? Steiner,
            just being a big ego thinking he understood the gods themselves?
            Serves him right? Spiritual Science totally a school of Selective
            Intelligence? A Pile of horse pucckie?

            Socrates was hated for his Horse fly sting. Steiner stung deeply into
            the Ahrimanic realm. Vision and the old Buddha destiny gives us Frodo
            in the "Lord of the Rings"... What do you see, as you put together
            the influences of the most incredible potent connection from Saul
            Bellows - to the Vorstand- to Wolfowitz- to Weimar- To Goethe - To
            Steiner - To Nietzche - To Matrix - to The School of Michael and the
            Christ Event of 1933... Hey I didn't write the movie but this is a
            real zinger of an immense series of connections. But please, sleep on
            it, feel the poison, feel the pollution and feel the difference
            between this Adminstration and the Michael School...Yes...I know, all
            very overheated nonsense... Not from my current Hollywood Producers
            mind set.

            Bradford
          • holderlin66
            Bradford comments; Prescott Arizona and Phoenix is the final resting place of my adopted mother and currently my 83 year old adopted father. Joel apparently is
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              Bradford comments;

              Prescott Arizona and Phoenix is the final resting place of my adopted
              mother and currently my 83 year old adopted father. Joel apparently
              is moving from the Transcendental East out to the Far West. But like
              Joel I have richly explored the Transcendental individuals like
              Emerson, Thoreau and Longfellow. But to consider American
              spirituality in light of the Transcendental thinkers and the early
              struggles of the Founding Fathers, makes what Joel brought below, a
              larger window of thinking. This thinking challenges certain
              perceptions that our wonderful hero of the free market, Starman,
              places as a high ethical-self-regulating reality. Common Sense does
              not agree with this idea of Free Trade and Self regulation. First
              Joel and below what thinkers are reviewing as the history of the
              NeoCon's impulse wanders back into the the Founding Fathers. This is
              interesting and in a few sentences, Joel's ideas are enlarged upon
              with great depth. What do you think?

              Joel wrote;

              > The main problem with Traub's approach, however, is that it
              glosses
              > over the real facts of the damage to civil liberties done by the
              Bush
              > administration. The excuse used in many cases by those who support
              this
              > abuse of our freedoms, is that security demands it.
              >
              > This is not true, but rather is historically the common
              excuse given
              > when a sitting government begins to move in a neo-fascist direction,
              > wrapping itself in ever greater assumptions of power and rights at
              the
              > expense of the governed. The better and wiser thinkers among
              history's
              > statesmen (as against mere politicians) clearly understand this.

              Midnight Ride of the Rabble
              by Thom Hartmann

              To every Middlesex village and farm,
              A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
              A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
              And a word that shall echo for evermore!
              For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
              Through all our history, to the last,
              In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
              The people will waken and listen to hear.
              -- From Paul Revere's Ride by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, 1863

              Emerson told us, in his lecture Angloam, that in America "the old
              contest of feudalism and democracy renews itself here on a new
              battlefield." Perhaps seeing our day through a crack between the
              skeins of time and space, Emerson concluded, "It is wonderful, with
              how much rancor and premeditation at this moment the fight is
              prepared."

              Feudalism?

              Let's be blunt. The real agenda of the new conservatives is nothing
              less than the destruction of democracy in the United States of
              America. And feudalism is one of their weapons."

              (snip)

              http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0604-01.htm

              "the new conservatives see our democratic government as the enemy.
              And if they plan to destroy democracy, they must have something in
              mind to replace it with. (Yes, I know that "democracy"
              and "democratic" sound too much like "Democrat," and so the
              Republicans want us to say that we don't live in a democracy, but,
              rather, a republic, which sounds more like "Republican." It was one
              of Newt's efforts, along with replacing phrases like "Democratic
              Senator" with "Democrat Senator." But Republican political
              correctness can take a leap: we're talking here about the survival of
              democracy in our constitutional republic.)

              What conservatives are really arguing for is a return to the three
              historic forms of tyranny that the Founders and Framers identified,
              declared war against, and fought and died to keep out of our land.
              Those tyrants were kings, theocrats, and noble feudal lords.

              Kings would never again be allowed to govern America, the Founders
              said, so they stripped the president of the power to declare war. As
              Lincoln noted in an 1848 letter to William Herndon: "Kings had always
              been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending
              generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object.
              This, our [1787] Convention understood to be the most oppressive of
              all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the
              Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this
              oppression upon us."

              Theocrats would never again be allowed to govern America, as they had
              tried in the early Puritan communities. In 1784, when Patrick Henry
              proposed that the Virginia legislature use a sort of faith-based
              voucher system to pay for "Christian education," James Madison
              responded with ferocity, saying government support of church
              teachings "will be a dangerous abuse of power." He added, "The Rulers
              who are guilty of such an encroachment exceed the commission from
              which they derive their authority, and are Tyrants. The People who
              submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by
              an authority derived from them, and are slaves."

              And America was not conceived of as a feudal state, feudalism being
              broadly defined as "rule by the super-rich." Rather, our nation was
              created in large part in reaction against centuries of European
              feudalism. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said in his lecture titled The
              Fortune of the Republic, delivered on December 1, 1863, "We began
              with freedom. America was opened after the feudal mischief was spent.
              No inquisitions here, no kings, no nobles, no dominant church."

              The great and revolutionary ideal of America is that a government can
              exist while drawing its authority, power, and ongoing legitimacy from
              a single source: "The consent of the governed." Conservatives,
              however, would change all that.

              In their brave new world, corporations are more suited to governance
              than are the unpredictable rabble called citizens. Corporations
              should control politics, control the commons, control health care,
              control our airwaves, control the "free" market, and even control our
              schools. Although corporations can't vote, these new conservatives
              claim they should have human rights, like privacy from government
              inspections of their political activity and the free speech right to
              lie to politicians and citizens in PR and advertising. Although
              corporations don't need to breathe fresh air or drink pure water,
              these new conservatives would hand over to them the power to self-
              regulate poisonous emissions into our air and water.

              While these new conservatives claim corporations should have the
              rights of persons, they don't mind if corporations use hostile
              financial force to take over other, smaller corporations in a bizarre
              form of corporate slavery called monopoly. Corporations can't die, so
              aren't subject to inheritance taxes or probate. They can't be put in
              prison, so even when they cause death they are only subject to fines.

              Corporations and their CEOs are America's new feudal lords, and the
              new conservatives are their obliging servants and mouthpieces. The
              conservative mantra is: "Less government!" But the dirty little
              secret of the new conservatives is that just as nature abhors a
              vacuum, so also do politics and power. Every time government of, by,
              and for We, the People is pushed out of administering some part of
              this nation's vast commons, corporations step in. And by swamping the
              United States of America in debt with so-called "tax cuts," they seek
              to force an increasingly desperate government to cede more and more
              of our commons to their corporate rule.

              Conservatives confuse efficiency and cost: They suggest that big
              corporations can perform public services at a lower total cost than
              government, while ignoring the corporate need to pad the bill with
              dividends to stockholders, rich CEO salaries, corporate jets and
              headquarters, advertising, millions in "campaign contributions," and
              cash set-asides for growth and expansion. They want to frame this as
              the solution of the "free market," and talk about entrepreneurs and
              small businesses filling up the holes left when government lets go of
              public property.

              But these are straw man arguments: What they are really advocating is
              corporate rule, and ultimately a feudal state controlled exclusively
              by the largest of the corporations. Smaller corporations, like
              individual humans and the governments they once hoped would protect
              them from powerful feudal forces, can watch but they can't play.

              The modern-day conservative movement began with Federalists Alexander
              Hamilton and John Adams, who argued that for a society to be stable
              it must have a governing elite, and this elite must be separate both
              in power and privilege from what Adams referred to as "the rabble."
              Their Federalist party imploded in the early 19th Century, in large
              part because of public revulsion over Federalist elitism, a symptom
              of which was Adams' signing the Alien and Sedition Acts. (If you've
              only read the Republican biographies of John Adams, you probably
              don't remember these laws, even though they were the biggest thing to
              have happened in Adams' entire four years in office, and the reason
              why the citizens of America voted him out of office, and voted
              Jefferson - who loudly and publicly opposed the Acts - in. They were
              a 1797 version of the Patriot Act and Patriot II, with startlingly
              similar language.)

              Destroyed by their embrace of this early form of despotism, the
              Federalists were replaced first in the early 1800s by the short-lived
              Whigs and then, starting with Lincoln, by the modern-day Republicans,
              who, after Lincoln's death, firmly staked out their ancestral
              Federalist position as the party of wealthy corporate and private
              interests. And now, under the disguise of the word "conservative"
              (classical conservatives like Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower
              are rolling in their graves), these old-time feudalists have nearly
              completed their takeover of our great nation."

              Bradford comments;

              There is an argument that arose along with "The Emancipation
              Proclamation" the 13th amendment was followed by the 14th amendment.
              Lincoln's blood made a trade off to the Ahrimanic forces that allow
              giant Corporations, the status of Individual I AM's. The 14 Amendment
              followed the 13th as Ahriman follows Michael. This is a vague little
              loop hole, but when looking at the giant potential of manipulation
              and Group Consciousness, corporations maintaining the rights of or
              looming larger than the rights of the I AM, throws Ahriman back into
              the mix in a big way. It creates a constant challenge to the ethics
              and integrity of the human I AM.

              Business is a wonderful thing, as Starman has said many times, it
              keeps the life blood of the economy flowing exactly like spiritual
              blood. It is clear to this researcher that vast groups of twelve or
              more board members create a core seed of potential moral Egregorial
              dimensions. It can at times mark a return or a Western upgrade to a
              form of Group Monster that control the opinions and directions of
              freedoms of those lowly I AM's. Those Lowly I AM's that make a
              corporation and the products and distribution are not really
              generously rewarded as are the Giant Captains of the Boardroom who
              walk away with millions in rewards for destroying the low wage earner
              at the base of the operation. In other words we have Feudal examples
              of of big business merely robber baroning the worker. This of course
              is not what we would call "Washing the Feet" of the poor. Here we
              truly weigh how deeply the Christ impulse penetrates into the
              conscious will instincts of humanity.

              Thoreau reveals that if moral individuals run a corporation it can be
              a wealth of moral vision and infectious free generosity. If criminals
              run a corporation, immoral actions infect the business community and
              the world. Martha Stewart is being singled out because America would
              rather focus on her than the actual thieves who are manipulating
              corporate contracts in Iraq and continue to rob the profits of a
              company for the constant law of wealth distribution that favors a
              small percentage of the wealthy. Nothing against wealth or
              corporations, if moral individuals are engaged in their operations.
              If the individual I Am is maintained in balance to the power and
              financial wealth of corporations and charity and human freedom to
              give back to society is balanced against CEO's maliciously destroying
              and gobbling firms for mere profit, a new depth of Consciousness Soul
              balance is achieved.

              But humanity is hardly prepared for the depth of penetration into the
              moral impusles of the will. The false regions of Sentient Soul
              penetration, Intellectual Soul aggressive shark fighting and
              Consciousness Soul, global Imperialism betrays the building a false
              moral paradigm. Not only that this phony moral interpretation is
              encouraged. It prefers to have its Christianity on a superficial,
              Sunday basis of the beloved Jesus who can't really come back and
              check up on their phony Sunday lip service.

              Finally the difference between Non-profit corporations and Profit
              driven corporations is a state of balance. Every moral insight and
              moral growth of the I AM can be easily countered by giant egregorial
              manipulations that dwarf the individual budget and force the
              individual to find his meal ticket under the umbrella of a
              Corporation because, slowly only the giants survive..

              Egregorial manipulation of Corporate monopolies can easily control
              the Opinions and level of intelligence of the masses. Promoting and
              supporting the aim of the Individual I Am's as they struggle to grow
              forces of their Sentient-Intellectual and Consciousness Soul
              developments is asking for honesty and integrity and something of a
              state of balance. The term 'filthy rich' could attain a different
              meaning and a state of balance on the abuse of world resources could
              arise. Instead we reamin in a Draconian-Darwinian struggle of Board
              level Egregores who do not maintain moral observation nor maintain
              economic honesty. The big fish promote the same superficial moral
              penetration so that deep issues of Consciousness will not easily, if
              ever, arise in the UnFree, slavery of the Free Market deception.

              Bradford
            • holderlin66
              ... rabble) - ... Hi Bradford here; Make sure you ask this question to Anthroposophy Group- it came to me, but somehow I thought you were speaking to the whole
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                >From: "anthrojoel2" <ronningen@...>
                >To: "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...>
                >Subject: Re: Wei-mar-the-truth ?
                >Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:14:47 -0000
                >
                >Hello everybody! I have been lurking a bit, catching up on some of
                >the backlog of posts. If someone would point me to how to set up a
                >profile I will be happy to tell you some info about me.
                >
                >I have a question in relation to the thread. If the Federalists were
                >wrong in wanting to govern for the rabble (instead of by the
                rabble) -
                > and I'm not saying they weren't - then what do we make of "The Bell
                >Curve" implication that the "rabble" is increasingly lower in
                >intelligence? Are there some instances when the "elite" need to
                >govern? I think this is along the lines that the more intelligent
                >conservatives would argue as an excuse for the Patriot Act, TIA, and
                >the other depredations of the Bush administration. At what point do
                >we have to stop trying to liberally "help" those who will not/can not
                >see and just do what needs to be done for their welfare?
                >Note: I am playing the Devil's Advocate here - I am not a right-
                >winger in disguise. :)
                >
                >--- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66"

                Hi Bradford here;

                Make sure you ask this question to Anthroposophy Group- it came to
                me, but somehow I thought you were speaking to the whole list on
                Anthroposophy.

                Selective Intelligence is a vast issue and we need to examine it
                carefully. I was very interested in what the writer brought up in
                regards to the threefold threat of King-Theocrats-and Feudal lords.
                This appears to be a subtle shadow problem of the Threefold Social
                Order that Steiner wanted to put in place.

                The whole distribution of Intelligence, wealth and Rights throughout
                the Human Being or the EArth triad of East, Middle and West or the
                balance of power of the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches -
                indicate to me how the so called rabble need to be protected and
                penetrated by rights, penetrated by moral warmth, even if thinkers
                are more advanced and have talent and ability for a career in the
                political field. The question is penetrating into the depths of the
                social sphere and Rights sphere with understanding of how the Rabble,
                as it was called, live in the Sentient Soul - what lifting educatioal
                efforts are in place there and so on.

                Also in concerns me that the life blood of economy is obviously
                moving steadily away from the limb system, where the warmth is needed
                and slowly but surely all the spriritual life blood of economy is
                moving in an unbalanced way into the Head.. Into the head/hands of a
                small percentage of the elite. I think the free giving factors should
                have been able to penetrate the social world instead of the welfare
                failures and addictions. What is lopsided is the unfusion of the
                spriitual life blood of the economy into colder and colder pockets of
                cunning and the pockets of the rich.

                That is not to say that Corporations, Free Enterprize are bad. It is
                always the moral penetration, the intelligence linked to the warmth
                of the heart that enables the Life blood of economy to go to the warm
                forces of those who labor.

                Anyways I thought others could do a much better job than I on working
                with your question.

                Bradford
              • holderlin66
                Here is a perfect Goethean study in the battles within the Intellectual Soul here is snapshot of what Steiner would indicate as the realm of the Intellectual
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                  Here is a perfect Goethean study in the battles within
                  the "Intellectual Soul" here is snapshot of what Steiner would
                  indicate as the realm of the Intellectual Soul. Many have no idea
                  what the flavor of this realm is, as differing from the Consciousness
                  Soul, but here is a Goethean study and insight into just what the
                  traps and difficulties are for understanding the ability to arrive at
                  a vantage point of the Consciousness Soul. Here is a good example of
                  the "Selective Intelligence."

                  This example does not give you the Consciousness Soul feel or
                  perception but it is exactly the overheated Intellectual soul of
                  Radio and Talk Show spin doctors who are currently in a feeding
                  frenzy in the Sentient and Intellectual soul of America. The battle
                  for "The Deconstruction of the American Psyche" into some Orwellian
                  Spin machine is running hot and heavy in the Intellecutal Soul Region
                  of American airways. Mark it well. Millions listen with stoked up
                  emotional forces while driving in their SUV's and cars, or sitting
                  wanting to feel the false fiery Yes or No = I hate- High octane
                  Sympathy and Antipathy that gives the Sentient and Intellectual Soul
                  a false sense of Life.

                  Lacking the richness and Openess of Goethean Observation the media
                  war for the American Psyche rages on. T.V. and radio riot or the
                  better term is wallow in a sea of lies. It is a mind soul [same as
                  Intellectual Soul] infection that attachs emotional eddies of
                  patriotism and nationalism, blood and feeling, pumped into a dead
                  region of soul and spirit life. These are the vivid shadows in
                  Plato's cave Wall. They are disturbing shadows on the path to build a
                  soul tool of Goethean Observation.

                  On Saturday, May 31, C-SPAN and BookTV broadcast a Book Expo author
                  luncheon panel with Pat Schroeder (moderator), Molly Ivins, Bill
                  O'Reilly, and Al Franken.

                  Each panelist was given 15 minutes to talk about their own upcoming
                  book. After Molly Ivins and Bill O'Reilly had taken their turns, Al
                  Franken took the microphone. His book, which is unfinished, is
                  entitled, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and
                  Balanced Look at the Right" and features pictures of four
                  conservative personalities on the cover. Bill O'Reilly was one of
                  them. At the start of his talk, Franken made a point of showing the
                  cover to O'Reilly and asking if he could get a better photo to use.
                  O'Reilly was clearly upset: silent, but spitting DU-tipped bullets
                  from his eyes.

                  Franken spent the next 20 minutes or so giving examples of right wing
                  lies from his book. By then he had already overshot his time slot,
                  but he launched into an account of how he had personally caught Bill
                  O'Reilly in a big lie, which was this: O'Reilly had stated on at
                  least two or three occasions that his former show, Inside Edition,
                  was the winner of two prestigious Peabody Awards.

                  The story of how Franken tracked down and debunked this claim ran on
                  for 10 or 15 minutes, in excruciating detail. O'Reilly, still silent
                  through most of it, was beside himself and looked to be ready to jump
                  out of his chair and tackle the speaker.

                  Realize the following, of course: Had Al Franken been a guest on The
                  No-Spin Zone, O'Reilly would certainly have shouted him down and
                  probably disconnected his mic almost as soon as he showed the cover
                  of his book. But O'Reilly couldn't shut down C-SPAN. His frustration
                  was palpable. Finally, he erupted and called Al Franken a lot of
                  things including, "a very vicious person" (if I recall correctly).

                  By this time, Al Franken had also changed. No longer the kidding-on-
                  the-square humorist, he was deadly serious and emotionally invested
                  in the theme of his book. His lip was quivering and I was afraid he
                  would actually burst into tears. When he said that "they're lying and
                  we shouldn't take it [pause]...anymore", it was every bit as
                  spellbinding as any Howard Beale moment in the movie "Network."

                  The segment will be re-aired Sunday, June 8, at 5:30 ET on C-SPAN2.

                  Bradford comments-

                  And for those who still have humor and heart and are not heartless
                  liars the I Am to I AM confrontation with Power and the humble Al
                  Franken against O'Reilly, doctor of spin, clearly reveals the
                  emotional impact on those of us who refuse to have our intellects
                  totally Ahrimanized and cannabalized so that we all become ice core,
                  aliens of the soul like Nietzsche.
                • holderlin66
                  ... Looking over the research of the above article we come to the story of the Robber Barons that Schiller made famous. Poor Schiller, such a close friend to
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                    > http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0604-01.htm

                    Looking over the research of the above article we come to the story
                    of the Robber Barons that Schiller made famous. Poor Schiller, such a
                    close friend to Goethe, almost like Pericles and Phidias were close
                    friends in Athens. Anyways, Schiller came from a family of Doctors
                    and naturally, instead of taking the radical path of revolutionary
                    poet and friend of Mephisto hunter, Croc Hunter, Dragon Slayer, Beast
                    Master -Goethe, Schiller's family thought that Schiller should have
                    become a Doctor as well. They slapped his wrist, but his Play, "The
                    Robber Barons" blew the doors off the public. Schiller had a small,
                    suffered from a small heart, it was far too tiny for the greatness of
                    his impulse. Goethe was blessed with powerful forces of Etheric life
                    because he had invested so much Etheric vision into his Phidias
                    incarnation as a sculptor. You need to think about these things.

                    Now we have a way, once again to look at the Robber Barons. According
                    to the post above, the link to the post above, we can extract this
                    quote and build something incredible on it.

                    ***********************************

                    "What conservatives are really arguing for is a return to the three
                    historic forms of tyranny that the Founders and Framers identified,
                    declared war against, and fought and died to keep out of our land.
                    Those tyrants were kings, theocrats, and noble feudal lords."
                    **********************************

                    Giving the Power to declare War into the hands of a easily
                    manipulated President, George Bush - or for that matter, the even
                    worse potential of Pre-Emptive U.S. strikes- means that Congress
                    betrayed the American People and the Founding Fathers.

                    False Relgious Right now predominates as Christianity goes on a
                    Crusade to get "The Evil Doers". Another betrayal of the Founding
                    Fathers in a country that honors all forms of religion and freedom of
                    religion and freedom of persecution and freedom of speech were
                    protections of the American Experiment.

                    The American Experiment as a social contract that allows us to mature
                    to the level of a Threefold vision and penetrate with balanced moral
                    insight into the Rights Sphere... awaits at this point the link up to
                    the connection back to the Gods.. That is that Steiner's deed of the
                    Philosphy of Freedom, out of Weimar, is the deed that is the
                    capstone, the Eye of the I AM that is the much talked about God Eye
                    or Goethean Observation Eye that allows humanity to find their way
                    back to realm of the Gods and understand the true nature of the
                    Mystery of Golgotha. That mystery is only possible when anyone is
                    ready to approach it, but does not exclude any human being... there
                    is no human life form that is strictly out of the loop of anything
                    presented in "Occult Science an Outline" nobody is outside the loop.

                    But the kicker presently is the "Feudal System" Shadow. We have three
                    shadows of the Threefold life, which the founding Fathers strongly
                    attempted to 'gift' to any citizen who found their karma united with
                    the United States of America. No friggin King, bureaucrat or spoiled
                    little draft dodging MBA, "corporate cats paw" should have sole
                    ability to declare War... blame it on the idiots in Congress.
                    Superficial Religious maxims that have not even penetrated the moral
                    sphere of the Rights of Mankind, to dictate what is Christian to the
                    rest of the world is obscene. Finally there is the Feudal Lords of
                    the Corporate World. All of these Threefold shadows have grown into
                    living monsters before our eyes under the current Bush
                    Administration.

                    I have talked in "Matrix Theory" post about the magnetic North and
                    the triangulation of thinking that places a heavy burden on the
                    objectivity of Rudolf Steiner and the higher navigation of the I Am.
                    But the case merely against the feudal system that has arisen and is
                    promoted is already beyond ugly and full of such foul venom and sacks
                    of extreme poison that we should have a toxic alert, we should have a
                    code orange alert from HOmeLand Security that would protect the world
                    from the toxic gas coming out of the current U.S. Government.

                    The Case of the Feudal Lords

                    Published on Thursday, June 5, 2003
                    The Enronization Of Public Policy
                    by Arianna Huffington

                    Has there ever been a clearer, more irrefutable example of our
                    political leaders' lack of a moral compass than the clandestine,
                    eleventh-hour elimination of a promised child tax credit for almost
                    12 million of America's poorest children?

                    It's a move that is so cold-hearted and so profoundly dishonorable
                    that it could only have been made by people who have lost all moral
                    direction.

                    A magnetic compass should always point north; a moral compass should
                    always point out what is moral -- and immoral. Heaping billions on
                    the rich while ensuring that one out of six American kids doesn't get
                    a penny is dead wrong.

                    But that's exactly what Congressional Republicans did -- and what
                    President Bush signed off on.

                    This is not a right/left issue. It's a right/wrong issue. But the
                    GOP's self-appointed morality czars have been deafeningly silent on
                    this bit of economic indecency. I guess Bill Bennett was too busy
                    shaking the hands of every one-armed bandit in Vegas to notice.

                    Adding to the obscenity is the fact that while the Congressional
                    hatchet men were hacking up the $3.5 billion child tax credit in the
                    name of keeping the total tax cut under $350 billion, they let stand
                    billions in corporate tax dodges and accounting cons, including the
                    use of offshore tax havens.

                    The White House labeled this particular piece of supply-side porn the
                    Jobs and Growth Act. I guess the Leave No Corporate Loophole Behind
                    Act didn't focus group as well.

                    The last few years have shown us what happens when an entire
                    subculture loses its moral compass: Enron, Tyco, Adelphia, WorldCom,
                    et al. And it's becoming increasingly clear that the current
                    administration has embraced the unethical ethos of the corporate
                    oligarchy from which so many of its members came -- and which all of
                    them continue to serve. The same inability to distinguish right from
                    wrong that characterized the corporate scandals is now dominating
                    public policy.

                    It's the Enronization of Washington.

                    Want more proof? How about the unprecedented aircraft-leasing deal
                    currently being put together by the Pentagon and Boeing -- a plan
                    that uses the same kind of accounting sleight-of-hand popularized by
                    the gang at Enron. Here's how it works: instead of the Pentagon
                    buying the 100 new jets it wants to use as aerial refueling tankers
                    directly from Boeing, at an upfront cost of $138 million per plane, a
                    special-purpose entity created on Wall Street will purchase the
                    planes and lease them to the Air Force.

                    That way the Pentagon gets to acquire the planes without having to
                    dip into the Air Force's limited procurement budget, and Boeing gets
                    to reap billions in new military contracts without having to show the
                    debt associated with the shady deal on its balance sheet. It's an off-
                    the-books win-win deal for them both -- but a losing proposition for
                    taxpayers, who'll end up forking over an additional $8 billion to
                    cover the interest payments on the leases.

                    The sleazy new deal is being put together by the good bankers at
                    Citigroup -- the same outfit that helped Enron defraud shareholders
                    out of, what do you know, also $8 billion. Who says irony is dead?

                    Then there is the news that, in an effort to ensure the passage of
                    its cherished tax-cut plan, the Bush administration buried a highly
                    damaging study -- commissioned by its own Treasury department -- that
                    found that it would take either the permanent elimination of all
                    future federal discretionary spending or an immediate and permanent
                    tax hike of 66 percent to cover the upcoming retirement and
                    healthcare needs of aging baby boomers. You think that bombshell
                    might have put a little damper on Bush's tax cut orgy?

                    This is exactly the kind of skullduggery corrupt corporations used to
                    conceal potentially disastrous news from investors -- like Adelphia
                    hiding its $3.1 billion loans to the Rigas family in tiny footnotes
                    in an earnings filing.

                    Like many disgraced companies, the White House has proven adept at
                    playing fast and loose with the numbers in order to mislead
                    its "shareholders" -- the American people. Take the administration's
                    shifty use of "averages" to make it seem like the new tax cut
                    benefits everyone -- claiming that "91 million taxpayers will
                    receive, on average, a tax cut of $1,226," when, in fact, the
                    majority of households will receive a tax cut of $100 or less. Or the
                    way it used sure-to-be-repealed "sunset clauses" to make it seem as
                    if the president was reasonably settling for a $350 billion tax cut,
                    when the actual price tag on the new bill will be close to $1
                    trillion.

                    It's the kind of economic book cooking that would do ol' Kenny Boy
                    Lay proud.

                    It's time to expand the Right's definition of immorality beyond sex,
                    drugs, and rock and roll to include lying, cheating, and callous
                    indifference to those in need.

                    CEOs lying to investors to pad their own pockets is bad enough.
                    Political leaders lying to the American people to pad the pockets of
                    their big buck contributors is immoral -- and intolerable. "

                    Bradford Adds: Weimar-Steiner? (not even a mention)

                    http://victorian.fortunecity.com/plath/392/curator/LM99064T.htm

                    With Goethe, Schiller, & Liszt in Weimar!
                    This is Weimar's Year in the Sun. It has been chosen as the Culture
                    City of Europe.
                    Other European cities have been so honored in previous years, but
                    they were major capitals like Berlin, Madrid, and Copenhagen.

                    Weimar, in German Thuringia, has long been a sleepy little provincial
                    town. Especially during the long years of the German Democratic
                    Republic, when it was almost impossible for West Germans to visit.
                    And extremely difficult for foreign journalists like your reporter.

                    But Weimar has a very special place in Europe's Cultural History.
                    Here, the reigning Duke, Carl August, engaged the great German poet,
                    playwright, and philosopher Johann Wolfgang von Goethe to run his
                    Court Theatre.

                    As well as to advise him on most other matters as well, including
                    investing in dollars and pounds sterling.

                    Goethe's great contemporary, Friedrich Schiller, was also a Writer-in-
                    Residence in Weimar. Nor were the talents of the remarkable Hungarian
                    pianist, composer, and lover, Franz Liszt, lacking.

                    ...........There will also be social seminars and public discussions
                    of issues raised by the darker shadows of Weimar's and Germany's
                    History.

                    The infamous Nazi Death Camp, Buchenwald, is only a short distance
                    from the Neo-Classical Mausoleum in which Goethe is buried. There
                    have recently been some questions about the body in the sarcophagus:
                    is it really that of the author of "Faust I & II"?

                    Not to worry. Goethe's remains were apparently carefully preserved
                    during the Communist Era. Only the bones now remain."

                    Bradford
                  • holderlin66
                    To Review: The stolen election of George Bush and how Hitler came into power on Steiner s birthday; Leo Strauss false witnesses in the Bush Administration;
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                      To Review:

                      The stolen election of George Bush and how Hitler came into power on
                      Steiner's birthday; Leo Strauss false witnesses in the Bush
                      Administration; Saudi Arabia funding the terrorists, and the current
                      attempt at hijacking America for former failed Ahrimanic intentions
                      brings us to the thousands, the millions who failed to watch, to
                      think who manifested and continue to manifest an infection in the
                      soul life that they are unaware of, causes death, disaster and
                      splinters, yet stirs and wakens global community.

                      It is indeed Tolkien and "Lord of the Rings", visions of thought and
                      contributions where Michael Intelligence flashed from Thought on
                      Earth to starry thought and back to Earth again in Michael Rain, from
                      German Anthros and French and Southern Cross Review and Steve
                      Talbotts and Sampo's and warmed, invigorated dialogue and depth from
                      all of us here, that maintained a stream of Michael Breathing. For if
                      Michael and humanity- breathing together as a giant lung between
                      starry night and awakening day, can hold the massive cosmic wings of
                      Michael beating in the hearts of us all.. we have hope.

                      It was for Oil and Imperialistic domination and the Ahrimanic Agenda
                      that once more so many died. Millions of souls today still act as if
                      they don't understand and strike back with bitter hatred at anyone
                      who says, that this Ahrimanic agenda is a dog that won't hunt. It is
                      to the credit of millions of souls who have passed through the
                      Spiritual World and have carried the lessons of the Michael School
                      and the Spiritual Goetheanum and the weigh station built to give
                      souls strength on Earth to see, see in the most vague and illogical
                      crippled aspects of the Intellectual and Sentient soul nature to,
                      nearly see and comprehend, how close we are/were to a repeat of the
                      ghastly reality of a Nation that fell for the nonsense of Hitler and
                      the predictions of Orwell, Spengler and Fukayama.

                      We insulted, here in America, the U.N. and world community over and
                      over again. We have proven to the world that America is as happy with
                      liars and false ideals as the entire deluded population that stole
                      Germany from the Michael Time Spirit. It is to the credit of humanity
                      if we refuse to let this current crisis in human history escalate
                      further by the hopeful removal of souls who have denied in their
                      infested thinking the real strength of human Courage and the mission
                      of Michael thinking within the I of humanity. A spiritual world of
                      good sense is slowly and painfully coming back on course but a huge
                      battle for the re-election of this group of Leaders is arising. But
                      now in the midst of the battle, perhaps "The Return of the True
                      Philosopher Kings" as the third in the trilogy of Tolkien's mighty
                      efforts.

                      But for the record here are some of the facts:

                      by Mark Morford

                      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
                      file=/gate/archive/2003/07/16/notes071603.DTL

                      "And the lies, the flagrant GOP bitch slappings of the American
                      public, the maniacal jabs straight in eye of truth with the icepick
                      of utter BS, have just reached some sort of critical mass, some sort
                      of saturation point of absurdity and pain and ridiculousness and you
                      just have to stand up and applaud.

                      Really. It's almost as if you should cheer the invidiousness, it is
                      so spectacular, unprecedented, the tower of lies reaching the point
                      where you, Jaded and Benumbed American Citizen, are forced to either
                      recoil and ignore and deny, succumb and scream and laugh, or, like
                      Bush himself, just sort of stand there, wide eyed, dumfounded,
                      blinking hard, looking more blank and confused than ever, as the
                      unified BushCo front begins to gloriously unravel.

                      This much we now know, as compiled by the CIA and the U.N. and U.S.
                      military leaders and Bush's own teams of experts and scientists and
                      lackeys and pretty much anyone with any sort of common sense or
                      astute observation as yet unclouded and unmisled by the raging
                      masturbatory pro-war gropings of, say, Fox News. A brief summary:

                      Saddam was all over 9/11. Funny how U.S. intelligence never found a
                      single connection. Funny how BushCo knowingly led the nation on to
                      believe there was one. Funny how the only role Saddamn actually
                      played in 9/11 was to watch it unfold on CNN and exclaim, "Holy Allah
                      with a case of Cuban cigars, Hashim, a million dinars says BushCo
                      uses that as an excuse to come swipe our oil and pump up Halliburton
                      and build a Starbucks in downtown Baghdad! Prepare the escape pod!"
                      Iraq was al Qaeda's bitch. See above. Fact is, U.S. intelligence
                      found no proven link between Iraq and any recent terrorism threats
                      against the U.S. Fact is, bin Laden hated Saddam and denounced his
                      socialist Baath party as "infidels.". Fact is, BushCo worked
                      extremely hard to manipulate the media to make you think the two were
                      so close they might as well have been gay lovers. Curiously, this
                      sinister obfuscation is still not clear to millions of Americans most
                      of whom tend to live in Texas and/or anywhere near major military
                      manufacturing plants. Go figure.

                      Those 9/11 terrorists? Buncha snarling Iraqis. Well, no. Most were,
                      in fact, Saudi. There were no Iraqis at all. Saudi Arabia remains a
                      desperately important American ally, one that provides billions in
                      U.S. investment and hence BushCo loves them and kisses their rings
                      and doesn't say a peep about the millions they also give to terrorist
                      cells -- like, say, those of al Qaeda -- to protect their oil fields.
                      Shhh.

                      Saddam has millions of drumfuls of scary chemicals ready at a
                      moment's notice to poison the entire world and most of EuroDisney.
                      Not even close. Huge chunks of "proof" of Iraq's purported chemical-
                      weapons and nuclear-weapons programs have already been dismissed by
                      U.N. inspectors and weapons experts. Saddam did, however, possess
                      large quantities of bootlegged Britney Spears posters, which, if
                      dropped on Israel, would have certainly caused pandemonium if not
                      outright giggling and many heavy longing sighs.

                      Saddam scored uranium from Niger to make nukes. This is so cutely
                      wrong it's painful. The document stating this was forged and bogus
                      and BushCo knew it and referenced it anyway in the State of the Union
                      address to help justify the war, and now he's all flustered and
                      denying everything and the CIA director is bumbling in as the fall
                      guy, and oh my freaking God do they ever think you are stupid.
                      The war on Iraq will be as easy as lancing a boil on Dick Cheney's
                      forehead. Yes! Instant and painless and easy it will be, and it will
                      inflict minimal casualties and we'd be all done in a week and America
                      will be back home and happily watching "The Bachelorette" and the
                      world would love us and see how glorious and righteous we are and
                      everyone will convert to Christianity and join Promise Keepers and
                      the 700 Club and never have sex and we will ban all icky gay people
                      to Canada. Whee!

                      Or not. Never you mind that thousands of soldiers are to be stationed
                      in Afghanistan and Iraq "indefinitely," for years to come. Or that
                      more than half of the U.S. Army's entire combat force is bogged down
                      in Iraq right now. Or that U.S. soldiers are still dying in Iraq
                      every day, more than 80 so far (33 in hostile fire), with more to
                      come, endless guerrilla warfare possibly requiring even more U.S.
                      troops, months after BushCo declared the war essentially over.
                      Whoops. Gosh. Sorry.

                      The Jessica Lynch "rescue" was all-American heroism at its finest. So
                      cute. The "rescue" was actually all-American Pentagon PR bulls** at
                      its finest, a rather embarrassingly staged hoax so full of overblown
                      stunts and dumb machismo and awkward twists that not even Fox News
                      would touch the story after a while, and they'll run anything. No
                      wonder the Pentagon has refused to release the unedited video footage
                      of the "rescue."

                      Iraq's oil money will go straight to "liberated" Iraqi people.
                      Seriously now. Did anyone really ever believe this, even in their
                      most drunken and heavily Xanaxed state? The money, of course, is
                      going straight into U.S. and U.K. coffers as "payment" for the Gulf
                      War, with only a fraction going for "rebuilding." But the bottom line
                      is, we control the oil. We control Iraq's billions. We do not care
                      who knows it. Special note from Donny "Beady Eyes" Rumsfeld to all
                      you people who somehow genuinely believed we bombed Iraq for the
                      betterment of the Iraqi people: Tthhppbbbhhhppbb.

                      Oh my God look just look at all those scary WMDs. There are no WMDs.
                      There are no WMDs. There are no WMDs. And there never were. Two
                      little words from BushCo, straight to you: Ha-ha, suckers.
                      The list goes on. This list is nearly endless. The list is growing
                      and expanding and now threatens to split and explode and spread like
                      some sort of giant viscous blob and invade small towns and kill
                      plants and induce women to slap their hands to their faces and scream
                      while it slowly steamrolls innocent children as they innocently stand
                      there in the street playing innocent Frisbee, innocently.

                      And there are others. There are flagrant lies and cover-ups and
                      misprisions not even related to the war, more about increasingly
                      nauseating domestic issues, major budget crises and unabashed pro-
                      corporate decisions and anti-gay anti-women anti-sex fun for the
                      whole terrified white Christian family.

                      There is, for example, the recent hacking to death of the EPA's major
                      greenhouse-gas/air-quality study. There was the (failed) attempt to
                      kill the Bureau of Labor Statistics report that tracked factory
                      closings in the U.S. There is the secret $135 mil in budget moneys
                      set aside to cram invidious sexless Christian "abstinence only until
                      marriage" programs down the throats of jaded American teens and
                      desperate budget-reamed schools.

                      There was, as Slate so effortlessly delineates, the regular and
                      rather sneering deep-sixing of serious economic data and fiscal
                      forecasting -- much of it generated by Bush's own teams -- because it
                      didn't match the GOP's makeshift rosy scenarios.

                      There is massive unemployment. There is the largest budget deficit in
                      history, now a staggering $455 billion, over $50 billion more than
                      the administration predicted just five months ago.

                      There are state and local governments broke to the point of having to
                      cut back essential services like police and fire departments,
                      hospitals, public schools, road maintenance and sewers. There is
                      Lynne Cheney. 'Nuff said.

                      There appears to be no end. There appears to be a limitless supply of
                      lies and half-truths and misinformations BushCo can invent on the
                      spot, and is now a good time to recall how Clinton was savaged and
                      vilified and attacked and impeached because he lied about having big
                      dumb sex with a rather unappealing intern?

                      And yet here is BushCo, openly and shamelessly lying about leading
                      this nation into a vile and petroleum-drunk war, massacring tens of
                      thousands, killing hundreds of U.S. soldiers (and counting), gutting
                      the budget, favoring the rich with useless tax cuts, hiding and
                      prevaricating and dodging and treated the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth
                      and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution the way a crusty abusive
                      Catholic priest treats an altar boy.

                      This is where you have to laugh. This is where you applaud. Stand up
                      and cheer, for it has been a masterful performance, a rather
                      unprecedented series of major cover-ups and well-orchestrated PR
                      maneuvers and outright fabrications unmatched in recent history.
                      Hell, the epic scale of BushCo's atrocities make Clinton's little
                      oral-sex fixation seem like a jaywalking violation.

                      Is now the time? Is this is where we start to notice how it is all
                      coming unraveled, Bush's snide web of lies just too flagrant and too
                      insulting for too long, CIA directors and intelligence experts and
                      military leaders and scientists and the like all coming forward now
                      to refute any number of false BushCo claims, the chinks in the armor
                      now becoming cracks and fissures and flubs and stumbles and ultimate
                      raging implosions?

                      Is this why impeachment proceedings have yet to begin in earnest
                      against BushCo? Because we're just too stunned, too frozen in
                      disbelief at the mounting mountains of evidence that we have been
                      duped and misled and lied to on a scale we can't really begin to
                      assimilate? Could very well be.

                      Because the tower of lies, oh how it teeters, how it quivers, how it
                      feels oh so ready to fall."

                      Bradford's previous notes:

                      "On the 27th February the Reichstag is empty as it had been in
                      recess
                      > since December. At around 20:30 one of the caretakers checks the
                      > building and finds nothing unusual. At 20:50 a postman is passing
                      the
                      > entrance to the session chamber and notices nothing unusual.
                      > At 21:05 a student sees a man carrying a burning brand on the first
                      > floor. By 21:14 the fire alarm is received by the local firestation
                      > and the firemen are in the building by 21:24 but fires are breaking
                      > out everywhere. At 21:27 there is a huge explosion and the great
                      > chamber is enveloped by flames. In the rear of the building a half
                      > naked dutchman, Marinus van der Lubbe is discovered and arrested.
                      He
                      > claims to have done it as "a protest".
                      >
                      > Hitler and Goring arrive on the scene. Goring at once accuses the
                      > communists. The next day the ageing President signs a decree which
                      > allows the nazis to suspend freedom of speech which they use to ban
                      > virtually the entire opposition press. Communists are arrested
                      > wholesale though the party is not banned until after the elections
                      so
                      > that the left vote will remain split."

                      > "In Jan., 1933, when Adolf Hitler became chancellor without an
                      > absolute majority, the Reichstag was dissolved and new elections
                      were
                      > set for Mar. 5; a violent election campaign ensued. On Feb. 27,
                      1933,
                      > a fire destroyed part of the Reichstag building. Hitler immediately
                      > accused the Communists of having set the fire. President von
                      > Hindenburg proclaimed a state of emergency and issued decrees
                      > suspending freedom of speech and assembly. The elections gave a
                      bare
                      > majority of seats to Hitler's National Socialists (Nazis; see
                      > National Socialism) and their allies, the German Nationalists.
                      Severe
                      > measures were taken against the Communist party, and its deputies
                      > were barred from the Reichstag."
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                        Bradford comments;

                        One of the most important issues, which includes the vivid issue of
                        inner development which we have been discussing warmly and richly
                        through Maurice and others, is also allowing the verification of our
                        historical research to arise in the well written ideas of the
                        Intellectual Soul that slowly use the tools of the Consciousness Soul
                        to begin to understand history. On the stark incision of the Christ
                        Event a 33 year pattern was grooved into human history. If we start
                        to take Spiritual Science in earnest, you could begin to discover
                        that the Time in which Dr. Steiner lived, revealed the carriage of
                        the very Symptoms, sharply and dramatically engaged, that remain with
                        us today. This is one reason why if you discount Dr. Steiner, you do
                        so at your own peril. It is our job to see how the weaving rhythm he
                        depicted reveals itself in our own 21st century. It is even better
                        when we as Spiritual Students lead the intuitions of men so that they
                        can also catch, in their thinking, deeper patterns in the events we
                        live in.

                        If we study the thread on which this topic originated and was first
                        placed, way back.... We see how what we might call Spiritual Economy
                        is working in the thought life of many, many souls. We can verify
                        what comes to them even though it remains part of the hidden aspects
                        of the Angels Working together with human thoughts. It means that
                        through our mutual thinking their spiritual intuitions gain life and
                        rain down as Michael Rain and suddenly it is easy for those who are
                        thinking to see clearly the patterns we sometimes focus on here.

                        Let me once more place another, and this should not be as boring as
                        it appears, the study of Ahrimanic Symptomology is needed, along with
                        inner development that tackles various Luciferic soul distortions.
                        Yet Ahrimanic Symptomology is weaving more in the external world
                        before our gaze. Luciferic distortions can appear in the inner
                        development and we can enter into this, as Maurice and Danny have
                        done, with more interest in watching the mighty Sphinx double in Man
                        turn from the image of Death to the Christ Being.

                        Students of the Michael School, ourselves, must accustom ourselves to
                        seeing Ahrimanic Symptomology weaving in our own times. This
                        Symptomology has many links to the sudden shifts of power that led to
                        the Weimar 1933 regime and that the rhythms of that event links, and
                        colors, weaves all through the unconscious thought life of what we
                        see before us. Rarely do we observe raw Michael Insights, such as the
                        varied insights that we have been able to maintain as of late on this
                        list. Amazing and nourishing work dear freinds.

                        To Review:

                        "On the 27th February the Reichstag is empty as it had been in
                        recess
                        > since December. At around 20:30 one of the caretakers checks the
                        > building and finds nothing unusual. At 20:50 a postman is passing
                        the
                        > entrance to the session chamber and notices nothing unusual.
                        > At 21:05 a student sees a man carrying a burning brand on the first
                        > floor. By 21:14 the fire alarm is received by the local firestation
                        > and the firemen are in the building by 21:24 but fires are breaking
                        > out everywhere. At 21:27 there is a huge explosion and the great
                        > chamber is enveloped by flames. In the rear of the building a half
                        > naked dutchman, Marinus van der Lubbe is discovered and arrested.
                        He
                        > claims to have done it as "a protest".
                        >
                        > Hitler and Goring arrive on the scene. Goring at once accuses the
                        > communists. The next day the ageing President signs a decree which
                        > allows the nazis to suspend freedom of speech which they use to ban
                        > virtually the entire opposition press. Communists are arrested
                        > wholesale though the party is not banned until after the elections
                        so
                        > that the left vote will remain split."
                        >
                        > Bradford commented back then;
                        >
                        > We have much more than a smoking gun. We have a grudge match
                        between
                        > the forces of Ahriman and Michael. Steiner's birthday, on the
                        Earth,
                        > was Feb. 27. In the actual battle to understand "The Weimar
                        > Connection" we include the Christ event that was dawning in the
                        year
                        > 1933. 'Keep our eyes open in 1933', Steiner predicted, but little
                        did
                        > we know that "Vision and the Goethean Impulse" was exactly the
                        > motives of getting that terrorist fire from the Goetheanum started
                        > and that terrorist War lit from Weimar in 1933 on Steiner's
                        birthday.
                        > Things are strange and our Imagination and our navigation to
                        > understand how the current White House, once again raises the image
                        > of Weimar - Goethe's Weimar, where Goethe himself damaged Ahriman
                        and
                        > Steiner literally kicked the old God in the face, while trying to
                        > pull Nietzsche out of his grip, certainly pissed off Ahriman.

                        "As I mentioned above, Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in
                        1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942.
                        Both of these men, and many others also celibrated by the media, were
                        unimaginable monsters. The lesson from these facts is that it isn't
                        easy to spot a genocidal tyrant when you live with one, especially
                        one whom the press supports and promotes. Tyrants become obvious only
                        when looking back, after what they have done becomes known. The
                        German people did not stand up to Hitler because their media betrayed
                        them, just as the American media is betraying the American people by
                        willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional role
                        as watchdog against government abuse. "

                        http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html


                        INTIMATE WEAVINGS OF AMERICA AS THE FOURTH REICH

                        http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/081303Gurney/081303gurney.html


                        America, the Fourth Reich

                        By Ian Gurney
                        Online Journal Contributing Writer

                        "Dictatorships start wars because they need external enemies to exert
                        internal control over their own people." —Richard Perle

                        August 13, 2003—Americans are the new Nazis. There, that's earned me
                        a lot of enemies very quickly hasn't it?

                        "How dare you," comes the riposte from the neo-cons in the
                        administration and the right-wing think tanks like JINSA and the
                        PNAC, as well as the "Fox news compliant" brigade whose heads are
                        still stuck up their backsides enjoying the televised view. "America
                        is a democracy, a free country run by a democratically elected
                        government. It is the land of the free, the home of the brave and the
                        protector of the free world," I hear them chorus.

                        To that I say, bullshit.

                        To say America is a democracy these days is just stretching things
                        too far. Consider: Bush was not elected by the majority of people in
                        the USA. Admittedly the turnout was low (you do, after all, get the
                        government you deserve if you don't exercise your franchise) but
                        George W didn't get a mandate. To do that more than 50 percent of the
                        voters have to vote for you, and that didn't happen. In fact, Georgie
                        boy lost. However, good old George made sure that, mandate or not,
                        win or not, with a little help from friends and family in Florida he
                        could win it by cheating. Let's not mince words, George W Bush stole
                        the presidency of the United States. He is not the democratically
                        elected leader of America.

                        It also appears that some unelected officials in the Bush
                        administration may have acquired more power than the president
                        himself. Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Bolton, Abrams, Rumsfeld all share
                        the same right-wing neo-conservative views held by organisations such
                        as the Project for a New American Century, the Zionist Organisation
                        of America and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. As
                        members of these organisations, it could be said that this unelected
                        cabal of neo-cons in the White House and the Pentagon have interests
                        other than America at heart. This is not only undemocratic, it is
                        treason.

                        So, we now see that America is governed by a president who was not
                        democratically elected, supported by an unelected cabal of people
                        with very extreme and in some cases, very un-American views. This
                        cannot, therefore, classify America as a democratic country. A
                        country that is governed by a non-elected power is, as we have seen
                        and heard these last few months concerning Iraq, Iran and North
                        Korea, classed as a "dictatorship". Dictatorships are fascist by
                        nature. Fascism is described as "right-wing dictatorship". Look up
                        the word fascism. See what I mean?

                        Now let's take a quick look at Germany in the 1930s and '40s as the
                        Nazis reared their ugly heads. Here was a country that was
                        financially crippled with a massive budget deficit owing billions of
                        dollars to the rest of the world. Just like the USA.

                        In the 1930s Germany was a country where the burning of the
                        Reichstag, Germany's 9/11, engineered by Hitler and his henchmen, was
                        used to create external enemies and to exert internal control over
                        the German people. Hitler then used the media to lie, frighten and
                        deceive the population, allowing a bunch of vicious, extreme, right-
                        wing megalomaniacs to gain power. Just like the USA.

                        In the 1930s Hitler was surrounded by a group of unelected officials
                        whose sole objective was to take control of Germany for their own
                        ends and with the use of their military might, take control of the
                        assets and prosperity of other, weaker countries. Just like the USA.

                        In 1939 Hitler embarked on a series of pre-emptive attacks on
                        sovereign nations in the name of "freeing the people" of that
                        country. Just like the USA.

                        In 1940 the German hierarchy started building special "camps" or
                        detention centres in which to incarcerate and eventually execute
                        those people considered to be "against" their regime. Just like the
                        USA.

                        As Germany invaded the countries surrounding them during World War
                        II, they found that far from having conquered the country
                        and "liberated" the people, the people of that country formed
                        nationalist "resistance" groups and used guerilla warfare to kill,
                        harass and slowly demoralise the occupying army. Just like the USA.

                        "History is little more than the register of crimes, follies, and
                        misfortunes of mankind" wrote Edward Gibbon, the British historian in
                        The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. History should teach us a
                        great many things, but unfortunately the majority of Americans know
                        very little about history, or for that matter, the rest of the world.
                        Don't believe me? Ask an American where Admiral Lord Nelson, one of
                        the worlds greatest naval commanders, died or what nationality
                        Alexander the Great was? Better still, ask an American to point to
                        pretty much any foreign country on a map. Try North Korea.

                        If you know nothing of history, you cannot learn the lessons history
                        teaches. You continue to make the same mistakes. Hitler's mistake was
                        to wage war on too many fronts at once and underestimate the ferocity
                        of the guerilla wars being fought against him by resistance groups
                        all over Europe. Eventually it was Russia, or to be more precise, the
                        Russian winter and Hitler's hubris, that proved to much for the
                        disillusioned German troops, sick and tired of fighting and dying for
                        a regime that they belatedly realised was illegitimate.

                        Hitler, in the last desperate act of a cowardly tyrant, committed
                        suicide. Germany, defeated and destroyed, had lost everything. Those
                        who had been instrumental in Germany's war and propaganda machine
                        were tried and executed. Eventually Germany once again became a
                        democracy, but it had taken the deaths of many millions of people to
                        restore that democracy.

                        Despite Germany's huge arsenal of weapons, it had lost the war
                        because those running Germany were not the democratic leaders of a
                        democratic country, but were fascist, right-wing neo-conservatives:
                        Nazis, who propagated an illegal war through lies and deception and
                        stirred up the anger of all decent thinking people on the planet with
                        their evil deeds.

                        Just like the USA.

                        FINAL CURRENT NOTES

                        .

                        Propaganda: Did Goebbells Write The Bush Administrations speeches?
                        From an address to a joint session of the US Congress: President
                        George W. Bush.

                        "Americans are asking ``Why do they hate us?'' They hate what they
                        see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government.
                        Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom
                        of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble
                        and disagree with each other. " George W. Bush, 20 September, 2001

                        http://www.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/national/2001/sept11/t
                        ranscripts/0921bush.html

                        From Goebbels' New Year address to Germany

                        They hate our people because it is decent, brave, industrious,
                        hardworking and intelligent. They hate our views, our social
                        policies, and our accomplishments. They hate us as a Reich and as a
                        community. They have forced us into a struggle for life and death. We
                        will defend ourselves accordingly. All is clear between us and our
                        enemies. Goebbels 31 December 1939

                        http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb21.htm


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                        Richard Perle, policy advisor to G.W. Bush, 2001

                        "No stages. This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies.
                        There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are
                        going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq, then we take a look
                        around and see how things stand. That is entirely the wrong way to go
                        about it ... If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we
                        embrace it entirely, and we don't try to ... piece together clever
                        diplomatic solutions ... but just wage a total war against these
                        tyrants, I think we will do very well. Our children will sing great
                        songs about us years from now." ---

                        - Richard Perle, policy advisor to G.W. Bush, 2001
                        http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11938


                        Joseph Goebbels, 1943

                        So total war is the demand of the hour. We must put an end to the
                        bourgeois attitude which we have also seen in this war: Wash my
                        back, but don't get me wet! The danger facing us is enormous. The
                        efforts we take to meet it must be just as enormous. The time has
                        come to remove the gloves! We must use our fists now! There is no
                        excuse for only superficially and carelessly making use of the war
                        potential at home and throughout Europe. We must use the full
                        resources, as quickly and thoroughly as it is organizationally and
                        practically possible. Unnecessary concern is wholly out of place. The
                        future of Europe hangs on our success in the East! We are ready to
                        defend it! The German people are shedding their most valuable blood
                        in this battle. The rest of Europe should at least work to support
                        us. Those who do not understand this fight today will thank us on
                        bended knee tomorrow that we took it!

                        - Joseph Goebbels, 1943
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