Berdyaev correct ? - Please Discuss !
- From: DRStarman2001@...
>Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: Berdyaev correct ? - Please Discuss !Bradford comments;
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:55:10 EST
>*******I think that's an old misunderstanding, that modern occultism,
>Theosophy and Anthroposophy know the universe but leave out God. It arises
>because only an external God is meant, one whose image you place before you
>and then worship, a "divine dictator" whose "will" you must seek out. It's
>certainly true that we acknowledge no so-called God in THAT sense. I would
>say that's because that's not what God is really like at all. Because the
>divine which is known directly is very different from the traditional
>anthropomorphic God of the uninitiated, they regard anyone speaking of its
>true nature as impious, just as they did with Jesus, Socrates etc. The
>Buddhists were regarded as atheists because they tried to say that God
>as people picture him/her/it. and so too anthroposophists are regarded as
>iconoclasts for saying it's not either.
> But in addition, this fellow clearly knows very little about
>Anthroposophy, to say that it does not lead people to Christ. Perhaps he
>means he doesn't feel it leads him back to the old naive belief in God and
>Christ. Thank heavens it doesn't!
Yes this is interesting Dr. Starman! Duty to do the good, and the amazing
stiff christian ethics that places the dogma of helping the poor, service,
doing the good, visiting prisons... Also appears to my observation to
reflect an abstract experience of a Stern, suffering, Cross Riding Jesus,
Instead of the high Solar Logos with a human sense of humor that Christ was.
Such an attitude also considers every thing we investigate and discover on
our own, for ourseleves, the joy of our own holy path, means no separation
from god. But I had a very strong Norwegian - Lutheran grandmother, a real
saint from Wheaton Illinois no less.
Now it so happens that Wheaton, where I went every summer as kid to stay
with my grandmother, was not only missionary central, but my grandmother, a
gem of a woman, was just a joy to be with and the highest example of good
Christian fellowship I ever encountered. However her relation to the Lord
was still cloudy, abstract and external through the medium of the Bible and
Sunday services with ministers who said nothing relevant from the pulpit.
Also in Wheaton were the pals my cousin and I hung around with, the Belushi
boys. Also in Wheaton was the center of the Theosophical Society; also in
Wheaton was the core collection of notes from the infamous Inklings.
This brings me to C.S.Lewis and Owen Barfield. This is truly as Starman has
said, really a matter of perception. The conflict that I detect, where one
is trying to dutifully do Steiner meditations, when bored is certainly not
the same as the fire of living intuition and spiritualized thinking that
Steiner used to research the world. C.S. Lewis had all the richness and
flaws of a 'normal' Christian ethical individual. Barfield nor that ARCH
pagan, Tolkien could every convince Lewis that his understanding of
Christianity, god, and goodness was tainted and wooden. Instead, because
thinking attains the joy of high intuition, those who have to beat
themselves with a guilty, knotted cord, so that they should kill out there
normal drives and impulses as sins - have failed to grasp why the Native
American was more connected to god than those Puritans who rolled in to
Plymouth. That does not mean that C.S.Lewis was not a wonderful creative
Spirit. He was, they all were and what a mix they made. They didn't agree,
but they were all alive.
The same basic argument is here being foisted and flopped around and what is
sad is that the introspection and inner observations allow one to let this
sneaky egregorial elemental twist around in the will and thinking of the
soul.It is the constant think that goes on in oneself that remains
unobserved. This is why subtle self observations pays dividends in Spiritual
Science and Oscar Wilde was ten times more a Christian than Lewis thought he
was. We need to look into ourselves, our upbringing and our motives much
more carefully and that is part of the inward observation needed in any path
of development. Nice work Starman!
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