Re: R: [anthroposophy] Michaelic thinking and "american" needs
- Dear Andrea:
--- VALENTINA BRUNETTI <okcgbr@...> wrote:
> Dear Stephen,OK; and I would be glad to hear from those others whomay use that Living
> the Living Thinking is not a Scaligero's "property"!! It's the core of
> Spiritual Scientific path. Scaligero had the task to put it in the
> centre of
> this path- just following the Zeitgeist's evolution (he wrote more or
> 50-60years after POF and Occut Science) and to emphasize it, following
> own direct experience and afterwards to give the key of it to us.
> The question is - especially if there is some other Italian Anthrofellow
> listening- what have we done of such a gift ?
Thinking. Our epistomology is most important, as Joel is also intenton
> > ..This statement about the 180 degrees of a triangle is false -Andrea, what I am saying is that this is not an objective truth that is
> > to popular belief. Or, more precisely, it is true only in an
> > infinitesimal fraction of all possible cases, and hence false as a
> > statement. As an example, however, it illustrates the kind of
> > and inappropriate mental attitude which can be fostered by an
> > on <correct theory>, or, as I infer from your use of this example a
> > <Living Thinking> which is excessively abstract. At least for an
> > American.
> > Thus it is a good example for the kind af apaproach which Joel and I
> > prefer, and a bad example for your point of view.
> Ok Stephen, since I'm not a math-student I can't really say nothing
> about the fact in itself.
> But i have to add that the fact was just an example of an objective
> truth that is the same for each human mind, if grasped in its core.
the same for each human mind. And I would go so far as to state that
there are almost no truths which compel submission.
Someone once said that for all significant statements, their opposite is
also true. It is only for trivial statements that their opposite is
In making the statement about the angles of a triangle, you are making
hidden assumptions - assumptions which are fatal for the <objectivity> of
I won't deny that, according to assumptions which are implicit in your
excaample, that all minds would agree with you. But others, making
equally valid but different assumptions, would be perfectly correct in
maintaining that the angles of a triangle are either always greater than
180 degrees, or always less that 180 degrees. This is not trivial. This
bears upon the very foundations of knowledge and conceptualization.
Also: the Imaginal World of 180 degree triangles is not real, the other
ones are much closer to lived-in reality. The more you live in the Ideal
world, the more distant you are from real life, and the more heart-work
has to be done so as not to be too divorced from fellow-man. Maybe
Italians are naturally good at this. For Americans, with an excess of
Will-forces and a lack of Heart-forces, I'm not so sure.
I read your post to Joel, the only thing I notice is:
< MMhhh, I find it not correct. I knew and I know some American people
< like everyone else in Europe, I have lot of perception and concepts
< the American culture and history and way of living and so on.
But until you walk upon the Land, breathe its air, absorb its physical
nature into yours, and intuit the legacy of its Ancestors, your
familiarity is not very intimate.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that
we are powerful beyond measure." Nelson Mandela, quoting Marianne Williamson, inaugural speech, 1994.
"Be patient toward all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books that are written in a very foreign tongue . . . and the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer." Rilke
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