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    ... From: Br. Ron To: anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Back to the Blacksmith (Joel) ...
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 3, 2003
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Br. Ron
      Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:39 AM
      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Back to the Blacksmith

          > As to politics, this is an anthroposophy list,
          > not a political list and those are two very different things.

      Perhaps so but you certainly react to the political
      topics as if it were...
          > As to insisting I don't read well, then perhaps you don't write very
          > well.  Someone want to explain what Br. Ron means here in plain English,
          > and why he isn't an isolationist?
      Behold! I am told it really is possible to turn lead into crystal
      so is the core of my post for the 3rd time:

      I said, "We have no business interfering where we aren't wanted.
      But we have no business NOT interfering where we are
      genuinely needed, either."

      This is pretty plain, aint it?  What part of this are you having
      trouble with? Where is the isolationism in these words?
      Joel, grab your dictionary and look up the word 'sophomoric'
      and you just may find your picture there.
      I could just as easily have asked "Will someone explain to me in
      plain English if Joel has quit beating his wife, yet" but that
      would be equally as sophomoric.
          > As to quoting Steiner on the ethereal, I don't think I could find
          > anything to support your view, when of course you are the one insisting
          > you know what is true here.  I feel no need to prove to you you don't
          > understand the ethereal at all, but you need to prove to me you know
          > something about it, rather then assert it.
      You challenged my position. The burden of proof is therefore
      yours. But of course we both know you can't so I shall allow
      you to gracefully bow out of this embarrassing fax pax.

          > One of Steiner's tasks was to lay the foundation for a true science of
          > life, which means leading people to how to think about the ethereal so
          > that they have real knowledge rather then vague mysticism, which is
          > useless for bringing health to life processes.
      Have you ever been to a Cistercian monastery? These 'mystics
      live well into their 90s and many are over 100. These men
      are amongst the healthiest humanity has to offer. A mystical life
      of devotion and prayer DOES bring health to the life processes.
      But you would have to experience what I'm talking about, not
      just read about it.
      Excuse me in advance Br.Ron if I jump in in your duel with Joel but since I live in a country full of Cistercian and Benedectine monasteries i have the duty to give you (and the list) the other side of the coin.
      A while ago i spent a time in Uliveto's Monte Maggiore Monastery in Toscana -(I presently use to spend some weekend in the S.Benedetto Monastery near Subiaco) and the Abate ("Commander in Chief") opened his heart and told me about, with deep grief- of the decadence of the institutions he had to lead.
      Homosexuality,Alcoholism, Lack of Religious life, Politicism : those are the monsters that, as he stated, show presently the decadence of the traditional spiritual life and the hard times that is now living such a once powerful religious brotherood here in Italy.
      Moreover : the S.Benedetto and S.Scolastica Moansteries (oh yes thereare lots of good old guys there!) are, since 1900s, one of the "wisest" agencies of poltical and financial tricks eastward of Rome!

          > What are the Four Ethers?  Where are the Ether boundaries (there are
          > four - and they meet longitudinally) covering the earth?  What is the
          > source of the Ethereal Formative Forces?  Where does the ethereal
          > concentrate on the Plant?  What is the relationship between the ethereal
          > and projective geometry? Why is the ethereal body of the liver larger
          > than the physical organ itself?  Are you familiar with Wachschmits
          > (sorry for the bad spelling folks) book on the Ethereal Formative Forces
          > and the Cosmos?  How about Adam's book on Physical and Ethereal Spaces,
          > or his truly remarkable Space in the Light of Creation?  Have you read
          > Adam's and Whicher's The Plant Between the Sun and the Earth?  What is
          > the relationship between the Sun and the ethereal forces?  What is
          > negative space?  What is the relationship between potentization and
          > formative forces?  Why does the BD farmer spray small amounts of mists
          > over his fields?  What is the purpose of the "broadcasting" device
          > certain BD farmers now use?  How does Margarethe Hauschka's Rhythmical
          > Message influence the ethereal body of the human being?  What is the
          > threefold organism in mammals and man, and how does the ethereal
          > influence this form-structure? Oh great expert on esoterics, please
          > speak, your fan club is waiting.
      Yaaaawwwwn...(snort) Huh?...Oh!...excuse me...uh, where were we?
      Oh yeah, actually, as I was saying, I have great compassion for 
      your predicament.
      It's like the poor guy who spent his whole life reading about
      how to play the piano. Then when his recital debut finally arrived,
      all he could do is sit there and explain to the audience how pianos
      are played.
      I am starting to see a genuine pathology amongst many
      self proclaimed Anthroposophists...and that is this:
      Not a one of them has ever had an original thought!
      ..... they sure are good at aping Steiner, though.
      This of course is the very antithesis of what RS himself wanted
      for his students, isn't it?  
      Oh oh!..."Houston...we have a problem"......(back to the
      instruction manual).

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      ... From: Br. Ron To: anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Back to the Blacksmith From: Joel
      Message 2 of 2 , Jan 4, 2003
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Br. Ron
        Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:38 AM
        Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Back to the Blacksmith

        From: "Joel Wendt" <hermit@...>
            > > Oh...so you DO want to talk about politics. As you wish.
            > > The truth is, I know nothing about your politics, Joel except what
            > > I read at:
            > No, I don't want to talk about politics on an anthroposophy list. 
        As you wish
            >  But when you speak of it, and misrepresent it,
            > on an anthroposophy list, then don't get your shorts in a knot if
            > someone who can see how full of it you are steps on your preconceptions
            > and horse pucky.>
            > Now if I was to try to run music stuff past you, you'd see in a moment I
            > was faking it.  So when you fake it about anthroposophy, well, you
            > deserve what you get.
        Whatchoo talkin bout? (he sez in his best Gary Coleman)
        I never claimed to know anything 'bout Anthroposophy. 
        Hell, I haven't even mastered wheelbarrows yet
        (machinery intimidates me)
        No, I never claimed to be an Anthroposophist, Joel.
        In fact I have made it quite clear several times that I don't
        even like Anthroposophists.
        (I do love much of what Rudolph Steiner has written, however)
            > Glad to know what you think about my politics given what little you
            > know.  There's a campaign website (
        http://ipwebdev.com/campaign), and on
            > those pages an e-mail link so if you want to go deeper into it
        Well whadda ya think about me being your campaign manager?
        I have been being tutored by the ghost of PT Barnum, I'll bet
        together we could chew up a few mean cigars. Maybe we could
        even get Bradford to be your speech writer.
            >yea we are probably a lot of like, that's why we're both assholes
        Sincerely yours,
        Speaking of that, did you know I'm having a colostomy on Tuesday?
        Shucks, if you don't want to discuss politics, maybe you'd rather
        look into......
            > But, when you sing wrong notes, with some horrible
            > disharmonies, about anthroposophy, I am going throw some
            > harsh words at you, so wear your battle armor, ok?
        Sure...I got my leathers on and my weapon is unsheathed,
        erect and ready for the charge (ahem, forgive me Sigmund)
        Anyway, before we retire to the coliseum, I need to know
        what Anthroposophical misrepresentation I am charged with.
        Betcha can't do it...seeing as how I never claimed to represent
        AP in the first place....but that's OK I just saw Russell Crowe in
        The Gladiator for the 3rd time and I am PUMPED!
        (See attachment)
        Et tu, Commodious? Prepare to taste my metal!
        (Commodious?...Sheesh I just can't get away from
        this potty mouth, today)
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