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  • 888 <fireofthe12@yahoo.com.au>
    A theosophist has always before him the ideal of a universal single occultism, free of all religious prejudice. Here Rudolf Steiner explains the ideals of
    Message 1 of 12 , Jan 1, 2003
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      "A theosophist has always before him the ideal of a universal single
      occultism, free of all religious prejudice."

      Here Rudolf Steiner explains the ideals of theosophy, not as Eastern
      or Western but as a universal movement.
      -Bruce

      http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/ManOccult/19120602p01.html

      God is no respector of personalities and neither is occultism.

      "Occultism strips itself entirely of the personal element. Systems
      of philosophy arise directly out of the personal in man; occultism
      arises out of the impersonal and is on this account capable of
      general comprehension. And when it is a question of expressing
      occultism in terms of theosophy, the endeavour is always made to
      speak to every human heart and every human soul, and in large measure
      this can be done....

      Occultism- the same for all mankind:

      "Occultism is in its results one and the same for all mankind. In
      reality there is no such thing as a difference of standpoint in
      occultism, — any more than there are different mathematics. It is
      only necessary in regard to any particular question to have the means
      actually at hand to acquire knowledge on on that question, and the
      knowledge will be the same as is reached by everyone who has the
      right means at his disposal. Thus, speaking in the ideal sense, we
      can just as little admit the existence of different standpoints in
      occultism as we can imagine there might be different standpoints in
      mathematics. Consequently occultism, wherever it has made its
      appearance, has always been recognised as single and universal. It is
      true that in the various theosophies that have existed from time to
      time and have supplied the outer cloak, so to speak, of occult
      truths, differences show themselves; but that is because the truths
      have had to be clothed differently for one folk or one epoch, than
      for another folk or another epoch. In other words, the differences
      between the theosophies that exist on the Earth lie in the manner of
      thought used to clothe the occult truths. The foundations of
      occultism are always and everywhere one and the same...."
      "Occultism knows no such differentiations, it knows nothing that
      might stir up opposition between man and man. No cause for opposition
      exists, since occultism is the single undivided property of all
      mankind. And inasmuch as theosophy should in our time concern itself
      with the provision of a right and proper expression for occultism, it
      too must take care to absorb as little as possible of the
      differentiations that have manifested themselves in mankind. It must
      set itself the aim of being a faithful expression of occult truth and
      occult connections in so doing, it will inevitably also work for the
      overthrow of all specialised world-conceptions and help to break down
      religious differentiations."

      There is no Eastern, Western, Christain, Buddhist Theosophy:

      "We must learn completely to overcome the inclination to a theosophy
      of a definite stamp and colouring. It has gradually come about in the
      history of evolution that theosophies have tended to receive a
      certain nuance and colouring in accordance — I will not say with
      religious prejudices, but with religious preconceived feelings and
      opinions. Theosophy needs to keep constantly in view its ideal, — to
      be a reflection of occultism. There can therefore be no such thing as
      a Buddhist theosophy or a Hindu theosophy, or a Zoroastrian or a
      Christian. Naturally, regard must be had to the characteristic ideas
      and thoughts with which particular people will approach theosophy.
      Nevertheless it must never let go its ideal of being a pure
      expression for occult truth. It was, for example, a repudiation of
      the fundamental principle of occultists all the world over, when a
      theosophy made its appearance among certain societies in Central
      Europe, calling itself a "Christian" theosophy. As a matter of fact,
      you can just as little have a Christian theosophy as a Buddhist
      theosophy or a Zoroastrian."

      "The relation theosophy has to assume to religion is that of an
      expounder of its truths. For theosophy is in a position to understand
      the truths of religion....."

      "A great work for peace on earth would be accomplished if unity and
      harmony could be established in regard to the higher realms of occult
      knowledge. Let that stand before us as an ideal. It is hard of
      attainment. When one reflects how intimately men are bound up with
      their religious prejudices and with the whole way in which they have
      been educated, one will readily perceive the difficulty of presenting
      them with something that is not coloured with any religious prejudice
      but is as faithful a picture as possible of occult knowledge.
      "Within certain limits we must be prepared to recognise that as long
      as the Buddhist takes the standpoint of the Buddhist faith, he
      rejects the standpoint of the Christian. And if theosophy takes on a
      Buddhist colouring, then that Buddhist theosophy will quite naturally
      show itself inimical, or at any rate unsympathetic, to occultism. We
      shall also understand how difficult it is, in a realm where Christian
      forms prevail, to come to an objective knowledge, let us say, of
      those aspects of occultism which find expression in Buddhism Our
      ideal, however, must always be to meet the one point of view with
      just as much understanding as the other and to establish over the
      whole earth a harmonious and peaceful relationship based on mutual
      comprehension.

      "The Buddhist and the Christian who have become theosophists will
      understand one another, they will be sure to discover a standpoint
      where they are in harmonious agreement. A theosophist has always
      before him the ideal of a universal single occultism, free of all
      religious prejudice. The Christian who has become a theosophist will
      understand the Buddhist when he says: "It is not possible that a
      Bodhisattva who has passed from incarnation to incarnation and has at
      length become Buddha (as happened in the particular case with the
      death of Suddhodana) should afterwards return again into a human
      body. For in becoming Buddha he has attained to such a lofty stage of
      human evolution that he does not need ever to pass again into a human
      body." The Christian will reply to the Buddhist: "Christianity has
      not up to the present given me any revelation concerning Beings like
      Bodhisattvas, but as I strive after theosophy I learn to recognise
      not only that you know this truth out of your knowledge, but that I
      too must receive it as truth." For as theosophist, the Christian will
      say to himself: "I understand what a Bodhisattva is, I know that the
      Buddhist speaks absolute truth about these Beings, he utters a truth
      which could be spoken in lands where Buddhism prevailed. I understand
      it when the Buddhist says that a Buddha does not return again into a
      fleshly organism." The Christian who has become a theosophist
      understands the Buddhist who has become a theosophist. And if the
      Christian were now in his turn to address the Buddhist, he could
      say: "When one studies the Christian faith in its true occult
      content, as it is studied in occult schools, then one finds that the
      Being who is designated by the name of Christ" — the name of Christ
      may be quite unknown to the other — "is a Being who was never on
      earth before the time of the Mystery of Golgotha. He is a Being who
      can never come again in a physical body; for that would contradict
      the whole nature of the Christ."

      "When the Buddhist who has become a theosophist hears this from the
      Christian, he will answer him in the following way: "Just as you
      understand how impossible it is for me to admit that a Buddha, after
      he has once become Buddha, can come again in a fleshly body, — just
      as you understand me, recognising what has been imparted to me as
      truth, so am I ready to recognise the share of truth that has been
      communicated to you. I try to recognise what you receive from your
      faith, namely, that at the beginning of Christianity stands, not so
      much a Teacher, but a Deed, an Act." For the occultist places at the
      beginning of Christianity not Jesus of Nazareth, but the Christ, and
      he sets the actual moment of its beginning in the Mystery of
      Golgotha.

      "Buddhism differs from Christianity in that it has a personal teacher
      as its starting-point, whereas Christianity has a deed, the deed of
      salvation and release, the deed accomplished by the death on the
      Cross on Golgotha. Not a doctrine but a deed stands at the foundation
      of Christian evolution. This the Buddhist theosophist understands,
      and he receives what is given as the occult foundation of
      Christianity and in doing so helps to establish harmony among
      mankind. He would be breaking the harmony if he were to apply to
      Christianity his Buddhist ideas. It is the part of the Christian,
      when he becomes theosophist, to understand Buddhism out of Buddhism
      itself, not to re-mould in some way of his own the ideas about
      Bodhisattva and Buddha, but rather to understand them as they are
      contained in Buddhism. Similarly it is the part of the Buddhist to
      receive the Christian ideas as they are, for they form the occult
      foundations of Christianity. Just as it is impossible to bring
      together the Being Who is named with the name of Christ with Beings
      of a lower kind, namely with Bodhisattvas, so also is it impossible,
      if we would remain loyal to the ideal of theosophy, to allow
      theosophy to be anything else than a faithful reflection of the
      single undivided occultism....."

      "Occultism has always had the character of universality and is
      independent of every Buddhist as well as of every Christian shade of
      colouring. Hence it can understand objectively the Mussulman or the
      Zoroastrian or the Buddhist, even as it can also the Christian. What
      I have said will help you to see how it is that occultism, which is
      universal, has come to assume in theosophy so many different forms in
      the course of human evolution. And you will be able also to see why
      in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not that one
      form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but that all
      the different forms of expression of religion should mutually
      understand one another. The first condition for this, however, is
      that men should come to an understanding of the occult foundations
      that are the same for all religions."
      - Rudolf Steiner
    • carol
      why in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not that one form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but that all the different
      Message 2 of 12 , Nov 9, 2006
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        "why in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not that
        one form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but that
        all the different forms of expression of religion should mutually
        understand one another. The first condition for this, however, is
        that men should come to an understanding of the occult foundations
        that are the same for all religions."

        My question is the following: If the so called higher ranking
        Illuminati are practicing an Occultism which calls upon `Satan', does
        this remain a `practice of Occultism with an individualized shade of
        coloring'?

        Also, if "Occultism has always had the character of universality",
        then would not the highest ranking Illuminati, (who would have been
        extremely instrumental in facilitating the earthly incarnation
        of `Satan" through the use of occult rites) not also be forced to
        recognize the phenomena of benevolent Occult forces (emanating from
        the efforts of incarnated Spiritual Souls)?

        Wouldn't these profane Occultists not find themselves somewhat in an
        opposite position than where we stand? Would they not find
        themselves forced to recognise the emergence of the Conscious Soul
        on an Occult level, just as we watch the emergence of Ahriman/Azuras?

        And whereas in Steiner's time, the Illuminati had not yet achieved
        their primary goal, today as we speak, they have. I suspect that
        Anthroposophy was not SUPPOSED to prevent the `ascent' of Ahriman
        into the Human realm but now that the act has been accomplished, it
        may have a significant role to play (on an Occult level).

        Perhaps, building (Occult) bridges.

        Carol.




        In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "888 <fireofthe12@...>"
        <fireofthe12@...> wrote:
        >
        > "A theosophist has always before him the ideal of a universal
        single
        > occultism, free of all religious prejudice."
        >
        > Here Rudolf Steiner explains the ideals of theosophy, not as
        Eastern
        > or Western but as a universal movement.
        > -Bruce
        >
        > http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/ManOccult/19120602p01.html
        >
        > God is no respector of personalities and neither is occultism.
        >
        > "Occultism strips itself entirely of the personal element. Systems
        > of philosophy arise directly out of the personal in man; occultism
        > arises out of the impersonal and is on this account capable of
        > general comprehension. And when it is a question of expressing
        > occultism in terms of theosophy, the endeavour is always made to
        > speak to every human heart and every human soul, and in large
        measure
        > this can be done....
        >
        > Occultism- the same for all mankind:
        >
        > "Occultism is in its results one and the same for all mankind. In
        > reality there is no such thing as a difference of standpoint in
        > occultism, — any more than there are different mathematics. It is
        > only necessary in regard to any particular question to have the
        means
        > actually at hand to acquire knowledge on on that question, and the
        > knowledge will be the same as is reached by everyone who has the
        > right means at his disposal. Thus, speaking in the ideal sense, we
        > can just as little admit the existence of different standpoints in
        > occultism as we can imagine there might be different standpoints in
        > mathematics. Consequently occultism, wherever it has made its
        > appearance, has always been recognised as single and universal. It
        is
        > true that in the various theosophies that have existed from time to
        > time and have supplied the outer cloak, so to speak, of occult
        > truths, differences show themselves; but that is because the truths
        > have had to be clothed differently for one folk or one epoch, than
        > for another folk or another epoch. In other words, the differences
        > between the theosophies that exist on the Earth lie in the manner
        of
        > thought used to clothe the occult truths. The foundations of
        > occultism are always and everywhere one and the same...."
        > "Occultism knows no such differentiations, it knows nothing that
        > might stir up opposition between man and man. No cause for
        opposition
        > exists, since occultism is the single undivided property of all
        > mankind. And inasmuch as theosophy should in our time concern
        itself
        > with the provision of a right and proper expression for occultism,
        it
        > too must take care to absorb as little as possible of the
        > differentiations that have manifested themselves in mankind. It
        must
        > set itself the aim of being a faithful expression of occult truth
        and
        > occult connections in so doing, it will inevitably also work for
        the
        > overthrow of all specialised world-conceptions and help to break
        down
        > religious differentiations."
        >
        > There is no Eastern, Western, Christain, Buddhist Theosophy:
        >
        > "We must learn completely to overcome the inclination to a
        theosophy
        > of a definite stamp and colouring. It has gradually come about in
        the
        > history of evolution that theosophies have tended to receive a
        > certain nuance and colouring in accordance — I will not say with
        > religious prejudices, but with religious preconceived feelings and
        > opinions. Theosophy needs to keep constantly in view its ideal, —
        to
        > be a reflection of occultism. There can therefore be no such thing
        as
        > a Buddhist theosophy or a Hindu theosophy, or a Zoroastrian or a
        > Christian. Naturally, regard must be had to the characteristic
        ideas
        > and thoughts with which particular people will approach theosophy.
        > Nevertheless it must never let go its ideal of being a pure
        > expression for occult truth. It was, for example, a repudiation of
        > the fundamental principle of occultists all the world over, when a
        > theosophy made its appearance among certain societies in Central
        > Europe, calling itself a "Christian" theosophy. As a matter of
        fact,
        > you can just as little have a Christian theosophy as a Buddhist
        > theosophy or a Zoroastrian."
        >
        > "The relation theosophy has to assume to religion is that of an
        > expounder of its truths. For theosophy is in a position to
        understand
        > the truths of religion....."
        >
        > "A great work for peace on earth would be accomplished if unity and
        > harmony could be established in regard to the higher realms of
        occult
        > knowledge. Let that stand before us as an ideal. It is hard of
        > attainment. When one reflects how intimately men are bound up with
        > their religious prejudices and with the whole way in which they
        have
        > been educated, one will readily perceive the difficulty of
        presenting
        > them with something that is not coloured with any religious
        prejudice
        > but is as faithful a picture as possible of occult knowledge.
        > "Within certain limits we must be prepared to recognise that as
        long
        > as the Buddhist takes the standpoint of the Buddhist faith, he
        > rejects the standpoint of the Christian. And if theosophy takes on
        a
        > Buddhist colouring, then that Buddhist theosophy will quite
        naturally
        > show itself inimical, or at any rate unsympathetic, to occultism.
        We
        > shall also understand how difficult it is, in a realm where
        Christian
        > forms prevail, to come to an objective knowledge, let us say, of
        > those aspects of occultism which find expression in Buddhism Our
        > ideal, however, must always be to meet the one point of view with
        > just as much understanding as the other and to establish over the
        > whole earth a harmonious and peaceful relationship based on mutual
        > comprehension.
        >
        > "The Buddhist and the Christian who have become theosophists will
        > understand one another, they will be sure to discover a standpoint
        > where they are in harmonious agreement. A theosophist has always
        > before him the ideal of a universal single occultism, free of all
        > religious prejudice. The Christian who has become a theosophist
        will
        > understand the Buddhist when he says: "It is not possible that a
        > Bodhisattva who has passed from incarnation to incarnation and has
        at
        > length become Buddha (as happened in the particular case with the
        > death of Suddhodana) should afterwards return again into a human
        > body. For in becoming Buddha he has attained to such a lofty stage
        of
        > human evolution that he does not need ever to pass again into a
        human
        > body." The Christian will reply to the Buddhist: "Christianity has
        > not up to the present given me any revelation concerning Beings
        like
        > Bodhisattvas, but as I strive after theosophy I learn to recognise
        > not only that you know this truth out of your knowledge, but that I
        > too must receive it as truth." For as theosophist, the Christian
        will
        > say to himself: "I understand what a Bodhisattva is, I know that
        the
        > Buddhist speaks absolute truth about these Beings, he utters a
        truth
        > which could be spoken in lands where Buddhism prevailed. I
        understand
        > it when the Buddhist says that a Buddha does not return again into
        a
        > fleshly organism." The Christian who has become a theosophist
        > understands the Buddhist who has become a theosophist. And if the
        > Christian were now in his turn to address the Buddhist, he could
        > say: "When one studies the Christian faith in its true occult
        > content, as it is studied in occult schools, then one finds that
        the
        > Being who is designated by the name of Christ" — the name of Christ
        > may be quite unknown to the other — "is a Being who was never on
        > earth before the time of the Mystery of Golgotha. He is a Being who
        > can never come again in a physical body; for that would contradict
        > the whole nature of the Christ."
        >
        > "When the Buddhist who has become a theosophist hears this from the
        > Christian, he will answer him in the following way: "Just as you
        > understand how impossible it is for me to admit that a Buddha,
        after
        > he has once become Buddha, can come again in a fleshly body, — just
        > as you understand me, recognising what has been imparted to me as
        > truth, so am I ready to recognise the share of truth that has been
        > communicated to you. I try to recognise what you receive from your
        > faith, namely, that at the beginning of Christianity stands, not so
        > much a Teacher, but a Deed, an Act." For the occultist places at
        the
        > beginning of Christianity not Jesus of Nazareth, but the Christ,
        and
        > he sets the actual moment of its beginning in the Mystery of
        > Golgotha.
        >
        > "Buddhism differs from Christianity in that it has a personal
        teacher
        > as its starting-point, whereas Christianity has a deed, the deed of
        > salvation and release, the deed accomplished by the death on the
        > Cross on Golgotha. Not a doctrine but a deed stands at the
        foundation
        > of Christian evolution. This the Buddhist theosophist understands,
        > and he receives what is given as the occult foundation of
        > Christianity and in doing so helps to establish harmony among
        > mankind. He would be breaking the harmony if he were to apply to
        > Christianity his Buddhist ideas. It is the part of the Christian,
        > when he becomes theosophist, to understand Buddhism out of Buddhism
        > itself, not to re-mould in some way of his own the ideas about
        > Bodhisattva and Buddha, but rather to understand them as they are
        > contained in Buddhism. Similarly it is the part of the Buddhist to
        > receive the Christian ideas as they are, for they form the occult
        > foundations of Christianity. Just as it is impossible to bring
        > together the Being Who is named with the name of Christ with Beings
        > of a lower kind, namely with Bodhisattvas, so also is it
        impossible,
        > if we would remain loyal to the ideal of theosophy, to allow
        > theosophy to be anything else than a faithful reflection of the
        > single undivided occultism....."
        >
        > "Occultism has always had the character of universality and is
        > independent of every Buddhist as well as of every Christian shade
        of
        > colouring. Hence it can understand objectively the Mussulman or the
        > Zoroastrian or the Buddhist, even as it can also the Christian.
        What
        > I have said will help you to see how it is that occultism, which is
        > universal, has come to assume in theosophy so many different forms
        in
        > the course of human evolution. And you will be able also to see why
        > in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not that
        one
        > form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but that
        all
        > the different forms of expression of religion should mutually
        > understand one another. The first condition for this, however, is
        > that men should come to an understanding of the occult foundations
        > that are the same for all religions."
        > - Rudolf Steiner
        >
      • Steve Hale
        Carol, There are some who think that Satan s incarnation has already occurred, as you seem to indicate is your belief. According to Steiner, Lucifer s actual
        Message 3 of 12 , Nov 10, 2006
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          Carol,

          There are some who think that Satan's incarnation has already
          occurred, as you seem to indicate is your belief. According to
          Steiner, Lucifer's actual physical incarnation occurred in the Far
          East of China in the 3rd millennium B.C., and that Ahriman's would
          occur in the Far West early in the 3rd millennium A.D. Now, if you
          look at a globe of the world, you'll find that East and West meet
          with China and Japan. Thus, Japan is the likely place for Ahriman's
          physical incarnation to occur. For those that have studied Japanese
          history and culture there are very strongly ahrimanic tendencies
          within this society. I know especially, and first hand, because of
          my years of experience in studying and incorporating Japanese
          manufacturing methods when I worked for the Boeing Company, which
          sold out to the Japanese back in the mid 80's in order to gain
          access to their rather strict and machine-like methods of design and
          building complex assemblies like Toyota, Honda, and Datsun
          automobiles. Boeing wanted to buy into these methods for its
          airplane manufacturing, and so gave up important sub-contracts to
          Japan in order to learn their secrets. They called it the beginning
          of "World-Class Competitiveness", and the entire work force of
          Boeing involved in the functions of building airplanes had to go
          through training in learning how to "think Japanese".

          But in large respects, America had already made Japan its strategic
          ally as early as the 1850's, when the opening of Japan was forced
          when President Fillmore sent Commodore Peary, armed with four
          sinister-looking black gun ships into Tokyo Bay in order to awaken
          the sleeping Shogunate from its inward-turned slumber. Japan had
          decided to conduct a revolution and revert to its primal roots some
          two hundred years earlier, by overthrowing the emperor, and
          returning to its native spirituality with no outside interference or
          connections, except for the entry of one Dutch ship a year. That
          was it, and that was the way it was going until Admiral Peary
          brought a letter from the President of the United States in 1852,
          offering friendly relations, and a tacit warning to come out of
          hiding; or else! Thus, the reason for the show of force with the
          gun ships, and Peary's misrepresenting himself as being an Admiral
          of the Navy.

          History shows that this was the beginning of a very influential
          relationship between the United States and Japan in the Pacific
          theatre, which was considered to be the next great step in the
          achievement of ultimate Manifest Destiny, after the trek from the
          east coast of the U.S. to the Pacific Ocean saw the statehood of
          California in September of 1850. Thus, manifest destiny accompanied
          by the Monroe Doctrine made it imperative that a partner in the
          Pacific be found in order that the U.S. could combat its perceived
          enemies, i.e., China and Russia, under the auspices of this partner,
          which was to be the island nation of Japan. And history proves that
          Japan proved to be a worthy partner by its war and victory over
          Russia in 1905, and its horrific massacre of the Chinese, it's arch
          enemy, in the 1930's. All achieved through its alliance with the
          United States.

          Then, the greatest act of alliance between these two nations
          occurred in 1939, when a scheme was devised, very similar in ways to
          the attack on the World Trade Center buildings on September 11,
          2001, wherein Japanese airplanes would be allowed to bomb the navy
          base at Pearl Harbor in order to create a bogus war in the Pacific,
          to go along with the war in Europe. But, without telling the
          Japanese leaders about the ultimate reason for resolving the war; a
          reason that would have negated any allegiance on the part of Japan
          in participating in such an evil lying scheme, the United States
          government, controlled by the secretive and underlying Illuminati,
          used the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the resulting orchestration
          of 'battles' in the Pacific, as justification for the creation of a
          new and utterly deadly force of destruction called the Atom Bombs,
          which were detonated against Japan even though they sought to
          surrender in advance when it became known that these bombs existed.

          No such luck, as President Truman gave the order to bomb the cities
          of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the summer of 1945, and the surrender
          was completed as a kind of 'final solution' to FDR's New Deal
          policies of the 1930's. As a result, Japan became an ally again,
          getting full reconstruction support from the U.S., and eventually
          becoming a prominent player in the manufacturing marketplace, as is
          seen today with its lucrative global position in world economics.
          But what a price to pay! And they didn't even know it, because the
          Illuminati rules the world in a very clever and devious fashion.

          You see, they have something called "the cosmic intelligence", but
          it is warped; not straight like the spiritual science we get and
          cultivate with our heads.

          Steve

          --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > "why in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not
          that
          > one form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but
          that
          > all the different forms of expression of religion should mutually
          > understand one another. The first condition for this, however, is
          > that men should come to an understanding of the occult foundations
          > that are the same for all religions."
          >
          > My question is the following: If the so called higher ranking
          > Illuminati are practicing an Occultism which calls upon `Satan',
          does
          > this remain a `practice of Occultism with an individualized shade
          of
          > coloring'?
          >
          > Also, if "Occultism has always had the character of universality",
          > then would not the highest ranking Illuminati, (who would have
          been
          > extremely instrumental in facilitating the earthly incarnation
          > of `Satan" through the use of occult rites) not also be forced to
          > recognize the phenomena of benevolent Occult forces (emanating
          from
          > the efforts of incarnated Spiritual Souls)?
          >
          > Wouldn't these profane Occultists not find themselves somewhat in
          an
          > opposite position than where we stand? Would they not find
          > themselves forced to recognise the emergence of the Conscious Soul
          > on an Occult level, just as we watch the emergence of
          Ahriman/Azuras?
          >
          > And whereas in Steiner's time, the Illuminati had not yet
          achieved
          > their primary goal, today as we speak, they have. I suspect that
          > Anthroposophy was not SUPPOSED to prevent the `ascent' of Ahriman
          > into the Human realm but now that the act has been accomplished,
          it
          > may have a significant role to play (on an Occult level).
          >
          > Perhaps, building (Occult) bridges.
          >
          > Carol.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "888 <fireofthe12@>"
          > <fireofthe12@> wrote:
          > >
          > > "A theosophist has always before him the ideal of a universal
          > single
          > > occultism, free of all religious prejudice."
          > >
          > > Here Rudolf Steiner explains the ideals of theosophy, not as
          > Eastern
          > > or Western but as a universal movement.
          > > -Bruce
          > >
          > > http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/ManOccult/19120602p01.html
          > >
          > > God is no respector of personalities and neither is occultism.
          > >
          > > "Occultism strips itself entirely of the personal element.
          Systems
          > > of philosophy arise directly out of the personal in man;
          occultism
          > > arises out of the impersonal and is on this account capable of
          > > general comprehension. And when it is a question of expressing
          > > occultism in terms of theosophy, the endeavour is always made to
          > > speak to every human heart and every human soul, and in large
          > measure
          > > this can be done....
          > >
          > > Occultism- the same for all mankind:
          > >
          > > "Occultism is in its results one and the same for all mankind.
          In
          > > reality there is no such thing as a difference of standpoint in
          > > occultism, — any more than there are different mathematics. It
          is
          > > only necessary in regard to any particular question to have the
          > means
          > > actually at hand to acquire knowledge on on that question, and
          the
          > > knowledge will be the same as is reached by everyone who has the
          > > right means at his disposal. Thus, speaking in the ideal sense,
          we
          > > can just as little admit the existence of different standpoints
          in
          > > occultism as we can imagine there might be different standpoints
          in
          > > mathematics. Consequently occultism, wherever it has made its
          > > appearance, has always been recognised as single and universal.
          It
          > is
          > > true that in the various theosophies that have existed from time
          to
          > > time and have supplied the outer cloak, so to speak, of occult
          > > truths, differences show themselves; but that is because the
          truths
          > > have had to be clothed differently for one folk or one epoch,
          than
          > > for another folk or another epoch. In other words, the
          differences
          > > between the theosophies that exist on the Earth lie in the
          manner
          > of
          > > thought used to clothe the occult truths. The foundations of
          > > occultism are always and everywhere one and the same...."
          > > "Occultism knows no such differentiations, it knows nothing
          that
          > > might stir up opposition between man and man. No cause for
          > opposition
          > > exists, since occultism is the single undivided property of all
          > > mankind. And inasmuch as theosophy should in our time concern
          > itself
          > > with the provision of a right and proper expression for
          occultism,
          > it
          > > too must take care to absorb as little as possible of the
          > > differentiations that have manifested themselves in mankind. It
          > must
          > > set itself the aim of being a faithful expression of occult
          truth
          > and
          > > occult connections in so doing, it will inevitably also work for
          > the
          > > overthrow of all specialised world-conceptions and help to break
          > down
          > > religious differentiations."
          > >
          > > There is no Eastern, Western, Christain, Buddhist Theosophy:
          > >
          > > "We must learn completely to overcome the inclination to a
          > theosophy
          > > of a definite stamp and colouring. It has gradually come about
          in
          > the
          > > history of evolution that theosophies have tended to receive a
          > > certain nuance and colouring in accordance — I will not say with
          > > religious prejudices, but with religious preconceived feelings
          and
          > > opinions. Theosophy needs to keep constantly in view its ideal, —

          > to
          > > be a reflection of occultism. There can therefore be no such
          thing
          > as
          > > a Buddhist theosophy or a Hindu theosophy, or a Zoroastrian or a
          > > Christian. Naturally, regard must be had to the characteristic
          > ideas
          > > and thoughts with which particular people will approach
          theosophy.
          > > Nevertheless it must never let go its ideal of being a pure
          > > expression for occult truth. It was, for example, a repudiation
          of
          > > the fundamental principle of occultists all the world over, when
          a
          > > theosophy made its appearance among certain societies in Central
          > > Europe, calling itself a "Christian" theosophy. As a matter of
          > fact,
          > > you can just as little have a Christian theosophy as a Buddhist
          > > theosophy or a Zoroastrian."
          > >
          > > "The relation theosophy has to assume to religion is that of an
          > > expounder of its truths. For theosophy is in a position to
          > understand
          > > the truths of religion....."
          > >
          > > "A great work for peace on earth would be accomplished if unity
          and
          > > harmony could be established in regard to the higher realms of
          > occult
          > > knowledge. Let that stand before us as an ideal. It is hard of
          > > attainment. When one reflects how intimately men are bound up
          with
          > > their religious prejudices and with the whole way in which they
          > have
          > > been educated, one will readily perceive the difficulty of
          > presenting
          > > them with something that is not coloured with any religious
          > prejudice
          > > but is as faithful a picture as possible of occult knowledge.
          > > "Within certain limits we must be prepared to recognise that as
          > long
          > > as the Buddhist takes the standpoint of the Buddhist faith, he
          > > rejects the standpoint of the Christian. And if theosophy takes
          on
          > a
          > > Buddhist colouring, then that Buddhist theosophy will quite
          > naturally
          > > show itself inimical, or at any rate unsympathetic, to
          occultism.
          > We
          > > shall also understand how difficult it is, in a realm where
          > Christian
          > > forms prevail, to come to an objective knowledge, let us say, of
          > > those aspects of occultism which find expression in Buddhism Our
          > > ideal, however, must always be to meet the one point of view
          with
          > > just as much understanding as the other and to establish over
          the
          > > whole earth a harmonious and peaceful relationship based on
          mutual
          > > comprehension.
          > >
          > > "The Buddhist and the Christian who have become theosophists
          will
          > > understand one another, they will be sure to discover a
          standpoint
          > > where they are in harmonious agreement. A theosophist has always
          > > before him the ideal of a universal single occultism, free of
          all
          > > religious prejudice. The Christian who has become a theosophist
          > will
          > > understand the Buddhist when he says: "It is not possible that a
          > > Bodhisattva who has passed from incarnation to incarnation and
          has
          > at
          > > length become Buddha (as happened in the particular case with
          the
          > > death of Suddhodana) should afterwards return again into a human
          > > body. For in becoming Buddha he has attained to such a lofty
          stage
          > of
          > > human evolution that he does not need ever to pass again into a
          > human
          > > body." The Christian will reply to the Buddhist: "Christianity
          has
          > > not up to the present given me any revelation concerning Beings
          > like
          > > Bodhisattvas, but as I strive after theosophy I learn to
          recognise
          > > not only that you know this truth out of your knowledge, but
          that I
          > > too must receive it as truth." For as theosophist, the Christian
          > will
          > > say to himself: "I understand what a Bodhisattva is, I know that
          > the
          > > Buddhist speaks absolute truth about these Beings, he utters a
          > truth
          > > which could be spoken in lands where Buddhism prevailed. I
          > understand
          > > it when the Buddhist says that a Buddha does not return again
          into
          > a
          > > fleshly organism." The Christian who has become a theosophist
          > > understands the Buddhist who has become a theosophist. And if
          the
          > > Christian were now in his turn to address the Buddhist, he could
          > > say: "When one studies the Christian faith in its true occult
          > > content, as it is studied in occult schools, then one finds that
          > the
          > > Being who is designated by the name of Christ" — the name of
          Christ
          > > may be quite unknown to the other — "is a Being who was never on
          > > earth before the time of the Mystery of Golgotha. He is a Being
          who
          > > can never come again in a physical body; for that would
          contradict
          > > the whole nature of the Christ."
          > >
          > > "When the Buddhist who has become a theosophist hears this from
          the
          > > Christian, he will answer him in the following way: "Just as you
          > > understand how impossible it is for me to admit that a Buddha,
          > after
          > > he has once become Buddha, can come again in a fleshly body, —
          just
          > > as you understand me, recognising what has been imparted to me
          as
          > > truth, so am I ready to recognise the share of truth that has
          been
          > > communicated to you. I try to recognise what you receive from
          your
          > > faith, namely, that at the beginning of Christianity stands, not
          so
          > > much a Teacher, but a Deed, an Act." For the occultist places at
          > the
          > > beginning of Christianity not Jesus of Nazareth, but the Christ,
          > and
          > > he sets the actual moment of its beginning in the Mystery of
          > > Golgotha.
          > >
          > > "Buddhism differs from Christianity in that it has a personal
          > teacher
          > > as its starting-point, whereas Christianity has a deed, the deed
          of
          > > salvation and release, the deed accomplished by the death on the
          > > Cross on Golgotha. Not a doctrine but a deed stands at the
          > foundation
          > > of Christian evolution. This the Buddhist theosophist
          understands,
          > > and he receives what is given as the occult foundation of
          > > Christianity and in doing so helps to establish harmony among
          > > mankind. He would be breaking the harmony if he were to apply to
          > > Christianity his Buddhist ideas. It is the part of the
          Christian,
          > > when he becomes theosophist, to understand Buddhism out of
          Buddhism
          > > itself, not to re-mould in some way of his own the ideas about
          > > Bodhisattva and Buddha, but rather to understand them as they
          are
          > > contained in Buddhism. Similarly it is the part of the Buddhist
          to
          > > receive the Christian ideas as they are, for they form the
          occult
          > > foundations of Christianity. Just as it is impossible to bring
          > > together the Being Who is named with the name of Christ with
          Beings
          > > of a lower kind, namely with Bodhisattvas, so also is it
          > impossible,
          > > if we would remain loyal to the ideal of theosophy, to allow
          > > theosophy to be anything else than a faithful reflection of the
          > > single undivided occultism....."
          > >
          > > "Occultism has always had the character of universality and is
          > > independent of every Buddhist as well as of every Christian
          shade
          > of
          > > colouring. Hence it can understand objectively the Mussulman or
          the
          > > Zoroastrian or the Buddhist, even as it can also the Christian.
          > What
          > > I have said will help you to see how it is that occultism, which
          is
          > > universal, has come to assume in theosophy so many different
          forms
          > in
          > > the course of human evolution. And you will be able also to see
          why
          > > in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not that
          > one
          > > form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but that
          > all
          > > the different forms of expression of religion should mutually
          > > understand one another. The first condition for this, however,
          is
          > > that men should come to an understanding of the occult
          foundations
          > > that are the same for all religions."
          > > - Rudolf Steiner
          > >
          >
        • carol
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            "You see, they have something called "the cosmic intelligence", but
            it is warped; not straight like the spiritual science we get and
            cultivate with our heads.."

            Of course, Steve, they brought `egoism' into it, and employed Satanic
            rituals and rites. Perhaps what I was leading to, best rest for the
            moment. I was referring to creative actions employed on an Occult
            level; being exceptional and truly Spiritual. I think considering
            the present outward circumstances, the real work will have to
            remain `deeply' hidden. The situation is too `new'.

            I'm not convinced about Japan being the basin for Ahriman's
            incarnation. A's quite clever, it doesn't surprise me that he
            reaches over the Pacific to snug up against Russia and China and the
            rest of the Eastern countries. He's playing another game through
            western Europe as well.

            So much to look out for, as long as the Heavens bless us with
            longevity…. Carol.


            "The differences between the theosophies that exist on the Earth lie
            in the manner of thought used to clothe the occult truths. The
            foundations of occultism are always and everywhere one and the
            same...." R.S.





            In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > Carol,
            >
            > There are some who think that Satan's incarnation has already
            > occurred, as you seem to indicate is your belief. According to
            > Steiner, Lucifer's actual physical incarnation occurred in the Far
            > East of China in the 3rd millennium B.C., and that Ahriman's would
            > occur in the Far West early in the 3rd millennium A.D. Now, if you
            > look at a globe of the world, you'll find that East and West meet
            > with China and Japan. Thus, Japan is the likely place for
            Ahriman's
            > physical incarnation to occur. For those that have studied
            Japanese
            > history and culture there are very strongly ahrimanic tendencies
            > within this society. I know especially, and first hand, because of
            > my years of experience in studying and incorporating Japanese
            > manufacturing methods when I worked for the Boeing Company, which
            > sold out to the Japanese back in the mid 80's in order to gain
            > access to their rather strict and machine-like methods of design
            and
            > building complex assemblies like Toyota, Honda, and Datsun
            > automobiles. Boeing wanted to buy into these methods for its
            > airplane manufacturing, and so gave up important sub-contracts to
            > Japan in order to learn their secrets. They called it the
            beginning
            > of "World-Class Competitiveness", and the entire work force of
            > Boeing involved in the functions of building airplanes had to go
            > through training in learning how to "think Japanese".
            >
            > But in large respects, America had already made Japan its strategic
            > ally as early as the 1850's, when the opening of Japan was forced
            > when President Fillmore sent Commodore Peary, armed with four
            > sinister-looking black gun ships into Tokyo Bay in order to awaken
            > the sleeping Shogunate from its inward-turned slumber. Japan had
            > decided to conduct a revolution and revert to its primal roots some
            > two hundred years earlier, by overthrowing the emperor, and
            > returning to its native spirituality with no outside interference
            or
            > connections, except for the entry of one Dutch ship a year. That
            > was it, and that was the way it was going until Admiral Peary
            > brought a letter from the President of the United States in 1852,
            > offering friendly relations, and a tacit warning to come out of
            > hiding; or else! Thus, the reason for the show of force with the
            > gun ships, and Peary's misrepresenting himself as being an Admiral
            > of the Navy.
            >
            > History shows that this was the beginning of a very influential
            > relationship between the United States and Japan in the Pacific
            > theatre, which was considered to be the next great step in the
            > achievement of ultimate Manifest Destiny, after the trek from the
            > east coast of the U.S. to the Pacific Ocean saw the statehood of
            > California in September of 1850. Thus, manifest destiny
            accompanied
            > by the Monroe Doctrine made it imperative that a partner in the
            > Pacific be found in order that the U.S. could combat its perceived
            > enemies, i.e., China and Russia, under the auspices of this
            partner,
            > which was to be the island nation of Japan. And history proves
            that
            > Japan proved to be a worthy partner by its war and victory over
            > Russia in 1905, and its horrific massacre of the Chinese, it's arch
            > enemy, in the 1930's. All achieved through its alliance with the
            > United States.
            >
            > Then, the greatest act of alliance between these two nations
            > occurred in 1939, when a scheme was devised, very similar in ways
            to
            > the attack on the World Trade Center buildings on September 11,
            > 2001, wherein Japanese airplanes would be allowed to bomb the navy
            > base at Pearl Harbor in order to create a bogus war in the Pacific,
            > to go along with the war in Europe. But, without telling the
            > Japanese leaders about the ultimate reason for resolving the war; a
            > reason that would have negated any allegiance on the part of Japan
            > in participating in such an evil lying scheme, the United States
            > government, controlled by the secretive and underlying Illuminati,
            > used the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the resulting orchestration
            > of 'battles' in the Pacific, as justification for the creation of a
            > new and utterly deadly force of destruction called the Atom Bombs,
            > which were detonated against Japan even though they sought to
            > surrender in advance when it became known that these bombs existed.
            >
            > No such luck, as President Truman gave the order to bomb the cities
            > of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the summer of 1945, and the surrender
            > was completed as a kind of 'final solution' to FDR's New Deal
            > policies of the 1930's. As a result, Japan became an ally again,
            > getting full reconstruction support from the U.S., and eventually
            > becoming a prominent player in the manufacturing marketplace, as is
            > seen today with its lucrative global position in world economics.
            > But what a price to pay! And they didn't even know it, because the
            > Illuminati rules the world in a very clever and devious fashion.
            >
            > You see, they have something called "the cosmic intelligence", but
            > it is warped; not straight like the spiritual science we get and
            > cultivate with our heads.
            >
            > Steve
            >
            > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > > "why in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not
            > that
            > > one form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but
            > that
            > > all the different forms of expression of religion should mutually
            > > understand one another. The first condition for this, however, is
            > > that men should come to an understanding of the occult foundations
            > > that are the same for all religions."
            > >
            > > My question is the following: If the so called higher ranking
            > > Illuminati are practicing an Occultism which calls upon `Satan',
            > does
            > > this remain a `practice of Occultism with an individualized shade
            > of
            > > coloring'?
            > >
            > > Also, if "Occultism has always had the character of
            universality",
            > > then would not the highest ranking Illuminati, (who would have
            > been
            > > extremely instrumental in facilitating the earthly incarnation
            > > of `Satan" through the use of occult rites) not also be forced to
            > > recognize the phenomena of benevolent Occult forces (emanating
            > from
            > > the efforts of incarnated Spiritual Souls)?
            > >
            > > Wouldn't these profane Occultists not find themselves somewhat in
            > an
            > > opposite position than where we stand? Would they not find
            > > themselves forced to recognise the emergence of the Conscious
            Soul
            > > on an Occult level, just as we watch the emergence of
            > Ahriman/Azuras?
            > >
            > > And whereas in Steiner's time, the Illuminati had not yet
            > achieved
            > > their primary goal, today as we speak, they have. I suspect
            that
            > > Anthroposophy was not SUPPOSED to prevent the `ascent' of Ahriman
            > > into the Human realm but now that the act has been accomplished,
            > it
            > > may have a significant role to play (on an Occult level).
            > >
            > > Perhaps, building (Occult) bridges.
            > >
            > > Carol.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "888 <fireofthe12@>"
            > > <fireofthe12@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > "A theosophist has always before him the ideal of a universal
            > > single
            > > > occultism, free of all religious prejudice."
            > > >
            > > > Here Rudolf Steiner explains the ideals of theosophy, not as
            > > Eastern
            > > > or Western but as a universal movement.
            > > > -Bruce
            > > >
            > > > http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/ManOccult/19120602p01.html
            > > >
            > > > God is no respector of personalities and neither is occultism.
            > > >
            > > > "Occultism strips itself entirely of the personal element.
            > Systems
            > > > of philosophy arise directly out of the personal in man;
            > occultism
            > > > arises out of the impersonal and is on this account capable of
            > > > general comprehension. And when it is a question of expressing
            > > > occultism in terms of theosophy, the endeavour is always made
            to
            > > > speak to every human heart and every human soul, and in large
            > > measure
            > > > this can be done....
            > > >
            > > > Occultism- the same for all mankind:
            > > >
            > > > "Occultism is in its results one and the same for all mankind.
            > In
            > > > reality there is no such thing as a difference of standpoint in
            > > > occultism, — any more than there are different mathematics. It
            > is
            > > > only necessary in regard to any particular question to have the
            > > means
            > > > actually at hand to acquire knowledge on on that question, and
            > the
            > > > knowledge will be the same as is reached by everyone who has
            the
            > > > right means at his disposal. Thus, speaking in the ideal sense,
            > we
            > > > can just as little admit the existence of different standpoints
            > in
            > > > occultism as we can imagine there might be different
            standpoints
            > in
            > > > mathematics. Consequently occultism, wherever it has made its
            > > > appearance, has always been recognised as single and universal.
            > It
            > > is
            > > > true that in the various theosophies that have existed from
            time
            > to
            > > > time and have supplied the outer cloak, so to speak, of occult
            > > > truths, differences show themselves; but that is because the
            > truths
            > > > have had to be clothed differently for one folk or one epoch,
            > than
            > > > for another folk or another epoch. In other words, the
            > differences
            > > > between the theosophies that exist on the Earth lie in the
            > manner
            > > of
            > > > thought used to clothe the occult truths. The foundations of
            > > > occultism are always and everywhere one and the same...."
            > > > "Occultism knows no such differentiations, it knows nothing
            > that
            > > > might stir up opposition between man and man. No cause for
            > > opposition
            > > > exists, since occultism is the single undivided property of all
            > > > mankind. And inasmuch as theosophy should in our time concern
            > > itself
            > > > with the provision of a right and proper expression for
            > occultism,
            > > it
            > > > too must take care to absorb as little as possible of the
            > > > differentiations that have manifested themselves in mankind. It
            > > must
            > > > set itself the aim of being a faithful expression of occult
            > truth
            > > and
            > > > occult connections in so doing, it will inevitably also work
            for
            > > the
            > > > overthrow of all specialised world-conceptions and help to
            break
            > > down
            > > > religious differentiations."
            > > >
            > > > There is no Eastern, Western, Christain, Buddhist Theosophy:
            > > >
            > > > "We must learn completely to overcome the inclination to a
            > > theosophy
            > > > of a definite stamp and colouring. It has gradually come about
            > in
            > > the
            > > > history of evolution that theosophies have tended to receive a
            > > > certain nuance and colouring in accordance — I will not say
            with
            > > > religious prejudices, but with religious preconceived feelings
            > and
            > > > opinions. Theosophy needs to keep constantly in view its
            ideal, —
            >
            > > to
            > > > be a reflection of occultism. There can therefore be no such
            > thing
            > > as
            > > > a Buddhist theosophy or a Hindu theosophy, or a Zoroastrian or
            a
            > > > Christian. Naturally, regard must be had to the characteristic
            > > ideas
            > > > and thoughts with which particular people will approach
            > theosophy.
            > > > Nevertheless it must never let go its ideal of being a pure
            > > > expression for occult truth. It was, for example, a repudiation
            > of
            > > > the fundamental principle of occultists all the world over,
            when
            > a
            > > > theosophy made its appearance among certain societies in
            Central
            > > > Europe, calling itself a "Christian" theosophy. As a matter of
            > > fact,
            > > > you can just as little have a Christian theosophy as a Buddhist
            > > > theosophy or a Zoroastrian."
            > > >
            > > > "The relation theosophy has to assume to religion is that of an
            > > > expounder of its truths. For theosophy is in a position to
            > > understand
            > > > the truths of religion....."
            > > >
            > > > "A great work for peace on earth would be accomplished if unity
            > and
            > > > harmony could be established in regard to the higher realms of
            > > occult
            > > > knowledge. Let that stand before us as an ideal. It is hard of
            > > > attainment. When one reflects how intimately men are bound up
            > with
            > > > their religious prejudices and with the whole way in which they
            > > have
            > > > been educated, one will readily perceive the difficulty of
            > > presenting
            > > > them with something that is not coloured with any religious
            > > prejudice
            > > > but is as faithful a picture as possible of occult knowledge.
            > > > "Within certain limits we must be prepared to recognise that as
            > > long
            > > > as the Buddhist takes the standpoint of the Buddhist faith, he
            > > > rejects the standpoint of the Christian. And if theosophy takes
            > on
            > > a
            > > > Buddhist colouring, then that Buddhist theosophy will quite
            > > naturally
            > > > show itself inimical, or at any rate unsympathetic, to
            > occultism.
            > > We
            > > > shall also understand how difficult it is, in a realm where
            > > Christian
            > > > forms prevail, to come to an objective knowledge, let us say,
            of
            > > > those aspects of occultism which find expression in Buddhism
            Our
            > > > ideal, however, must always be to meet the one point of view
            > with
            > > > just as much understanding as the other and to establish over
            > the
            > > > whole earth a harmonious and peaceful relationship based on
            > mutual
            > > > comprehension.
            > > >
            > > > "The Buddhist and the Christian who have become theosophists
            > will
            > > > understand one another, they will be sure to discover a
            > standpoint
            > > > where they are in harmonious agreement. A theosophist has
            always
            > > > before him the ideal of a universal single occultism, free of
            > all
            > > > religious prejudice. The Christian who has become a theosophist
            > > will
            > > > understand the Buddhist when he says: "It is not possible that
            a
            > > > Bodhisattva who has passed from incarnation to incarnation and
            > has
            > > at
            > > > length become Buddha (as happened in the particular case with
            > the
            > > > death of Suddhodana) should afterwards return again into a
            human
            > > > body. For in becoming Buddha he has attained to such a lofty
            > stage
            > > of
            > > > human evolution that he does not need ever to pass again into a
            > > human
            > > > body." The Christian will reply to the Buddhist: "Christianity
            > has
            > > > not up to the present given me any revelation concerning Beings
            > > like
            > > > Bodhisattvas, but as I strive after theosophy I learn to
            > recognise
            > > > not only that you know this truth out of your knowledge, but
            > that I
            > > > too must receive it as truth." For as theosophist, the
            Christian
            > > will
            > > > say to himself: "I understand what a Bodhisattva is, I know
            that
            > > the
            > > > Buddhist speaks absolute truth about these Beings, he utters a
            > > truth
            > > > which could be spoken in lands where Buddhism prevailed. I
            > > understand
            > > > it when the Buddhist says that a Buddha does not return again
            > into
            > > a
            > > > fleshly organism." The Christian who has become a theosophist
            > > > understands the Buddhist who has become a theosophist. And if
            > the
            > > > Christian were now in his turn to address the Buddhist, he
            could
            > > > say: "When one studies the Christian faith in its true occult
            > > > content, as it is studied in occult schools, then one finds
            that
            > > the
            > > > Being who is designated by the name of Christ" — the name of
            > Christ
            > > > may be quite unknown to the other — "is a Being who was never
            on
            > > > earth before the time of the Mystery of Golgotha. He is a Being
            > who
            > > > can never come again in a physical body; for that would
            > contradict
            > > > the whole nature of the Christ."
            > > >
            > > > "When the Buddhist who has become a theosophist hears this from
            > the
            > > > Christian, he will answer him in the following way: "Just as
            you
            > > > understand how impossible it is for me to admit that a Buddha,
            > > after
            > > > he has once become Buddha, can come again in a fleshly body, —
            > just
            > > > as you understand me, recognising what has been imparted to me
            > as
            > > > truth, so am I ready to recognise the share of truth that has
            > been
            > > > communicated to you. I try to recognise what you receive from
            > your
            > > > faith, namely, that at the beginning of Christianity stands,
            not
            > so
            > > > much a Teacher, but a Deed, an Act." For the occultist places
            at
            > > the
            > > > beginning of Christianity not Jesus of Nazareth, but the
            Christ,
            > > and
            > > > he sets the actual moment of its beginning in the Mystery of
            > > > Golgotha.
            > > >
            > > > "Buddhism differs from Christianity in that it has a personal
            > > teacher
            > > > as its starting-point, whereas Christianity has a deed, the
            deed
            > of
            > > > salvation and release, the deed accomplished by the death on
            the
            > > > Cross on Golgotha. Not a doctrine but a deed stands at the
            > > foundation
            > > > of Christian evolution. This the Buddhist theosophist
            > understands,
            > > > and he receives what is given as the occult foundation of
            > > > Christianity and in doing so helps to establish harmony among
            > > > mankind. He would be breaking the harmony if he were to apply
            to
            > > > Christianity his Buddhist ideas. It is the part of the
            > Christian,
            > > > when he becomes theosophist, to understand Buddhism out of
            > Buddhism
            > > > itself, not to re-mould in some way of his own the ideas about
            > > > Bodhisattva and Buddha, but rather to understand them as they
            > are
            > > > contained in Buddhism. Similarly it is the part of the Buddhist
            > to
            > > > receive the Christian ideas as they are, for they form the
            > occult
            > > > foundations of Christianity. Just as it is impossible to bring
            > > > together the Being Who is named with the name of Christ with
            > Beings
            > > > of a lower kind, namely with Bodhisattvas, so also is it
            > > impossible,
            > > > if we would remain loyal to the ideal of theosophy, to allow
            > > > theosophy to be anything else than a faithful reflection of the
            > > > single undivided occultism....."
            > > >
            > > > "Occultism has always had the character of universality and is
            > > > independent of every Buddhist as well as of every Christian
            > shade
            > > of
            > > > colouring. Hence it can understand objectively the Mussulman or
            > the
            > > > Zoroastrian or the Buddhist, even as it can also the Christian.
            > > What
            > > > I have said will help you to see how it is that occultism,
            which
            > is
            > > > universal, has come to assume in theosophy so many different
            > forms
            > > in
            > > > the course of human evolution. And you will be able also to see
            > why
            > > > in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not
            that
            > > one
            > > > form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but
            that
            > > all
            > > > the different forms of expression of religion should mutually
            > > > understand one another. The first condition for this, however,
            > is
            > > > that men should come to an understanding of the occult
            > foundations
            > > > that are the same for all religions."
            > > > - Rudolf Steiner
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • Steve Hale
            I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real solution to defeating these occult powers. It is the only method I have ever advocated; and
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              I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real
              solution to defeating these occult powers. It is the only method I
              have ever advocated; and it works. Once the door is opened the
              mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you. The
              world doesn't understand this because they don't study spiritual
              science, and are therefore susceptible to the influences of the
              asuras in the negative way that penetrates the ego. Mankind has
              little chance to succeed if only these few initiates keep trodding
              the same rutted path where the truffles are sought instead. People
              need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
              proceeds from the head to the heart. And only schools can provide
              this opportunity.

              Relative to my description of the Japan-U.S. connection, I'm saying
              that America stole it from Japan with the bombs, and the unleashing
              of the pure destructive unconsecrated light potential of the reverse
              dodecahedron. Thus, it is our country that has born the Ahrimanic
              incarnation, and it is the evilmost Asuras that hatched the idea,
              and succeeded in carrying it out.

              Steve

              --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > "You see, they have something called "the cosmic intelligence", but
              > it is warped; not straight like the spiritual science we get and
              > cultivate with our heads.."
              >
              > Of course, Steve, they brought `egoism' into it, and employed
              Satanic
              > rituals and rites. Perhaps what I was leading to, best rest for
              the
              > moment. I was referring to creative actions employed on an Occult
              > level; being exceptional and truly Spiritual. I think
              considering
              > the present outward circumstances, the real work will have to
              > remain `deeply' hidden. The situation is too `new'.
              >
              > I'm not convinced about Japan being the basin for Ahriman's
              > incarnation. A's quite clever, it doesn't surprise me that he
              > reaches over the Pacific to snug up against Russia and China and
              the
              > rest of the Eastern countries. He's playing another game through
              > western Europe as well.
              >
              > So much to look out for, as long as the Heavens bless us with
              > longevity…. Carol.
              >
              >
              > "The differences between the theosophies that exist on the Earth
              lie
              > in the manner of thought used to clothe the occult truths. The
              > foundations of occultism are always and everywhere one and the
              > same...." R.S.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Carol,
              > >
              > > There are some who think that Satan's incarnation has already
              > > occurred, as you seem to indicate is your belief. According to
              > > Steiner, Lucifer's actual physical incarnation occurred in the
              Far
              > > East of China in the 3rd millennium B.C., and that Ahriman's
              would
              > > occur in the Far West early in the 3rd millennium A.D. Now, if
              you
              > > look at a globe of the world, you'll find that East and West
              meet
              > > with China and Japan. Thus, Japan is the likely place for
              > Ahriman's
              > > physical incarnation to occur. For those that have studied
              > Japanese
              > > history and culture there are very strongly ahrimanic tendencies
              > > within this society. I know especially, and first hand, because
              of
              > > my years of experience in studying and incorporating Japanese
              > > manufacturing methods when I worked for the Boeing Company,
              which
              > > sold out to the Japanese back in the mid 80's in order to gain
              > > access to their rather strict and machine-like methods of design
              > and
              > > building complex assemblies like Toyota, Honda, and Datsun
              > > automobiles. Boeing wanted to buy into these methods for its
              > > airplane manufacturing, and so gave up important sub-contracts
              to
              > > Japan in order to learn their secrets. They called it the
              > beginning
              > > of "World-Class Competitiveness", and the entire work force of
              > > Boeing involved in the functions of building airplanes had to go
              > > through training in learning how to "think Japanese".
              > >
              > > But in large respects, America had already made Japan its
              strategic
              > > ally as early as the 1850's, when the opening of Japan was
              forced
              > > when President Fillmore sent Commodore Peary, armed with four
              > > sinister-looking black gun ships into Tokyo Bay in order to
              awaken
              > > the sleeping Shogunate from its inward-turned slumber. Japan
              had
              > > decided to conduct a revolution and revert to its primal roots
              some
              > > two hundred years earlier, by overthrowing the emperor, and
              > > returning to its native spirituality with no outside
              interference
              > or
              > > connections, except for the entry of one Dutch ship a year.
              That
              > > was it, and that was the way it was going until Admiral Peary
              > > brought a letter from the President of the United States in
              1852,
              > > offering friendly relations, and a tacit warning to come out of
              > > hiding; or else! Thus, the reason for the show of force with
              the
              > > gun ships, and Peary's misrepresenting himself as being an
              Admiral
              > > of the Navy.
              > >
              > > History shows that this was the beginning of a very influential
              > > relationship between the United States and Japan in the Pacific
              > > theatre, which was considered to be the next great step in the
              > > achievement of ultimate Manifest Destiny, after the trek from
              the
              > > east coast of the U.S. to the Pacific Ocean saw the statehood of
              > > California in September of 1850. Thus, manifest destiny
              > accompanied
              > > by the Monroe Doctrine made it imperative that a partner in the
              > > Pacific be found in order that the U.S. could combat its
              perceived
              > > enemies, i.e., China and Russia, under the auspices of this
              > partner,
              > > which was to be the island nation of Japan. And history proves
              > that
              > > Japan proved to be a worthy partner by its war and victory over
              > > Russia in 1905, and its horrific massacre of the Chinese, it's
              arch
              > > enemy, in the 1930's. All achieved through its alliance with
              the
              > > United States.
              > >
              > > Then, the greatest act of alliance between these two nations
              > > occurred in 1939, when a scheme was devised, very similar in
              ways
              > to
              > > the attack on the World Trade Center buildings on September 11,
              > > 2001, wherein Japanese airplanes would be allowed to bomb the
              navy
              > > base at Pearl Harbor in order to create a bogus war in the
              Pacific,
              > > to go along with the war in Europe. But, without telling the
              > > Japanese leaders about the ultimate reason for resolving the
              war; a
              > > reason that would have negated any allegiance on the part of
              Japan
              > > in participating in such an evil lying scheme, the United States
              > > government, controlled by the secretive and underlying
              Illuminati,
              > > used the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the resulting orchestration
              > > of 'battles' in the Pacific, as justification for the creation
              of a
              > > new and utterly deadly force of destruction called the Atom
              Bombs,
              > > which were detonated against Japan even though they sought to
              > > surrender in advance when it became known that these bombs
              existed.
              > >
              > > No such luck, as President Truman gave the order to bomb the
              cities
              > > of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the summer of 1945, and the
              surrender
              > > was completed as a kind of 'final solution' to FDR's New Deal
              > > policies of the 1930's. As a result, Japan became an ally
              again,
              > > getting full reconstruction support from the U.S., and
              eventually
              > > becoming a prominent player in the manufacturing marketplace, as
              is
              > > seen today with its lucrative global position in world
              economics.
              > > But what a price to pay! And they didn't even know it, because
              the
              > > Illuminati rules the world in a very clever and devious
              fashion.
              > >
              > > You see, they have something called "the cosmic intelligence",
              but
              > > it is warped; not straight like the spiritual science we get and
              > > cultivate with our heads.
              > >
              > > Steve
              > >
              > > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > "why in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal,
              not
              > > that
              > > > one form of religion should gain the victory over the rest,
              but
              > > that
              > > > all the different forms of expression of religion should
              mutually
              > > > understand one another. The first condition for this, however,
              is
              > > > that men should come to an understanding of the occult
              foundations
              > > > that are the same for all religions."
              > > >
              > > > My question is the following: If the so called higher ranking
              > > > Illuminati are practicing an Occultism which calls upon
              `Satan',
              > > does
              > > > this remain a `practice of Occultism with an individualized
              shade
              > > of
              > > > coloring'?
              > > >
              > > > Also, if "Occultism has always had the character of
              > universality",
              > > > then would not the highest ranking Illuminati, (who would have
              > > been
              > > > extremely instrumental in facilitating the earthly incarnation
              > > > of `Satan" through the use of occult rites) not also be forced
              to
              > > > recognize the phenomena of benevolent Occult forces
              (emanating
              > > from
              > > > the efforts of incarnated Spiritual Souls)?
              > > >
              > > > Wouldn't these profane Occultists not find themselves somewhat
              in
              > > an
              > > > opposite position than where we stand? Would they not find
              > > > themselves forced to recognise the emergence of the Conscious
              > Soul
              > > > on an Occult level, just as we watch the emergence of
              > > Ahriman/Azuras?
              > > >
              > > > And whereas in Steiner's time, the Illuminati had not yet
              > > achieved
              > > > their primary goal, today as we speak, they have. I suspect
              > that
              > > > Anthroposophy was not SUPPOSED to prevent the `ascent' of
              Ahriman
              > > > into the Human realm but now that the act has been
              accomplished,
              > > it
              > > > may have a significant role to play (on an Occult level).
              > > >
              > > > Perhaps, building (Occult) bridges.
              > > >
              > > > Carol.
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "888 <fireofthe12@>"
              > > > <fireofthe12@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > "A theosophist has always before him the ideal of a
              universal
              > > > single
              > > > > occultism, free of all religious prejudice."
              > > > >
              > > > > Here Rudolf Steiner explains the ideals of theosophy, not as
              > > > Eastern
              > > > > or Western but as a universal movement.
              > > > > -Bruce
              > > > >
              > > > >
              http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/ManOccult/19120602p01.html
              > > > >
              > > > > God is no respector of personalities and neither is
              occultism.
              > > > >
              > > > > "Occultism strips itself entirely of the personal element.
              > > Systems
              > > > > of philosophy arise directly out of the personal in man;
              > > occultism
              > > > > arises out of the impersonal and is on this account capable
              of
              > > > > general comprehension. And when it is a question of
              expressing
              > > > > occultism in terms of theosophy, the endeavour is always
              made
              > to
              > > > > speak to every human heart and every human soul, and in
              large
              > > > measure
              > > > > this can be done....
              > > > >
              > > > > Occultism- the same for all mankind:
              > > > >
              > > > > "Occultism is in its results one and the same for all
              mankind.
              > > In
              > > > > reality there is no such thing as a difference of standpoint
              in
              > > > > occultism, — any more than there are different mathematics.
              It
              > > is
              > > > > only necessary in regard to any particular question to have
              the
              > > > means
              > > > > actually at hand to acquire knowledge on on that question,
              and
              > > the
              > > > > knowledge will be the same as is reached by everyone who has
              > the
              > > > > right means at his disposal. Thus, speaking in the ideal
              sense,
              > > we
              > > > > can just as little admit the existence of different
              standpoints
              > > in
              > > > > occultism as we can imagine there might be different
              > standpoints
              > > in
              > > > > mathematics. Consequently occultism, wherever it has made
              its
              > > > > appearance, has always been recognised as single and
              universal.
              > > It
              > > > is
              > > > > true that in the various theosophies that have existed from
              > time
              > > to
              > > > > time and have supplied the outer cloak, so to speak, of
              occult
              > > > > truths, differences show themselves; but that is because the
              > > truths
              > > > > have had to be clothed differently for one folk or one
              epoch,
              > > than
              > > > > for another folk or another epoch. In other words, the
              > > differences
              > > > > between the theosophies that exist on the Earth lie in the
              > > manner
              > > > of
              > > > > thought used to clothe the occult truths. The foundations of
              > > > > occultism are always and everywhere one and the same...."
              > > > > "Occultism knows no such differentiations, it knows nothing
              > > that
              > > > > might stir up opposition between man and man. No cause for
              > > > opposition
              > > > > exists, since occultism is the single undivided property of
              all
              > > > > mankind. And inasmuch as theosophy should in our time
              concern
              > > > itself
              > > > > with the provision of a right and proper expression for
              > > occultism,
              > > > it
              > > > > too must take care to absorb as little as possible of the
              > > > > differentiations that have manifested themselves in mankind.
              It
              > > > must
              > > > > set itself the aim of being a faithful expression of occult
              > > truth
              > > > and
              > > > > occult connections in so doing, it will inevitably also work
              > for
              > > > the
              > > > > overthrow of all specialised world-conceptions and help to
              > break
              > > > down
              > > > > religious differentiations."
              > > > >
              > > > > There is no Eastern, Western, Christain, Buddhist Theosophy:
              > > > >
              > > > > "We must learn completely to overcome the inclination to a
              > > > theosophy
              > > > > of a definite stamp and colouring. It has gradually come
              about
              > > in
              > > > the
              > > > > history of evolution that theosophies have tended to receive
              a
              > > > > certain nuance and colouring in accordance — I will not say
              > with
              > > > > religious prejudices, but with religious preconceived
              feelings
              > > and
              > > > > opinions. Theosophy needs to keep constantly in view its
              > ideal, —
              > >
              > > > to
              > > > > be a reflection of occultism. There can therefore be no such
              > > thing
              > > > as
              > > > > a Buddhist theosophy or a Hindu theosophy, or a Zoroastrian
              or
              > a
              > > > > Christian. Naturally, regard must be had to the
              characteristic
              > > > ideas
              > > > > and thoughts with which particular people will approach
              > > theosophy.
              > > > > Nevertheless it must never let go its ideal of being a pure
              > > > > expression for occult truth. It was, for example, a
              repudiation
              > > of
              > > > > the fundamental principle of occultists all the world over,
              > when
              > > a
              > > > > theosophy made its appearance among certain societies in
              > Central
              > > > > Europe, calling itself a "Christian" theosophy. As a matter
              of
              > > > fact,
              > > > > you can just as little have a Christian theosophy as a
              Buddhist
              > > > > theosophy or a Zoroastrian."
              > > > >
              > > > > "The relation theosophy has to assume to religion is that of
              an
              > > > > expounder of its truths. For theosophy is in a position to
              > > > understand
              > > > > the truths of religion....."
              > > > >
              > > > > "A great work for peace on earth would be accomplished if
              unity
              > > and
              > > > > harmony could be established in regard to the higher realms
              of
              > > > occult
              > > > > knowledge. Let that stand before us as an ideal. It is hard
              of
              > > > > attainment. When one reflects how intimately men are bound
              up
              > > with
              > > > > their religious prejudices and with the whole way in which
              they
              > > > have
              > > > > been educated, one will readily perceive the difficulty of
              > > > presenting
              > > > > them with something that is not coloured with any religious
              > > > prejudice
              > > > > but is as faithful a picture as possible of occult knowledge.
              > > > > "Within certain limits we must be prepared to recognise that
              as
              > > > long
              > > > > as the Buddhist takes the standpoint of the Buddhist faith,
              he
              > > > > rejects the standpoint of the Christian. And if theosophy
              takes
              > > on
              > > > a
              > > > > Buddhist colouring, then that Buddhist theosophy will quite
              > > > naturally
              > > > > show itself inimical, or at any rate unsympathetic, to
              > > occultism.
              > > > We
              > > > > shall also understand how difficult it is, in a realm where
              > > > Christian
              > > > > forms prevail, to come to an objective knowledge, let us
              say,
              > of
              > > > > those aspects of occultism which find expression in Buddhism
              > Our
              > > > > ideal, however, must always be to meet the one point of view
              > > with
              > > > > just as much understanding as the other and to establish
              over
              > > the
              > > > > whole earth a harmonious and peaceful relationship based on
              > > mutual
              > > > > comprehension.
              > > > >
              > > > > "The Buddhist and the Christian who have become theosophists
              > > will
              > > > > understand one another, they will be sure to discover a
              > > standpoint
              > > > > where they are in harmonious agreement. A theosophist has
              > always
              > > > > before him the ideal of a universal single occultism, free
              of
              > > all
              > > > > religious prejudice. The Christian who has become a
              theosophist
              > > > will
              > > > > understand the Buddhist when he says: "It is not possible
              that
              > a
              > > > > Bodhisattva who has passed from incarnation to incarnation
              and
              > > has
              > > > at
              > > > > length become Buddha (as happened in the particular case
              with
              > > the
              > > > > death of Suddhodana) should afterwards return again into a
              > human
              > > > > body. For in becoming Buddha he has attained to such a lofty
              > > stage
              > > > of
              > > > > human evolution that he does not need ever to pass again
              into a
              > > > human
              > > > > body." The Christian will reply to the
              Buddhist: "Christianity
              > > has
              > > > > not up to the present given me any revelation concerning
              Beings
              > > > like
              > > > > Bodhisattvas, but as I strive after theosophy I learn to
              > > recognise
              > > > > not only that you know this truth out of your knowledge, but
              > > that I
              > > > > too must receive it as truth." For as theosophist, the
              > Christian
              > > > will
              > > > > say to himself: "I understand what a Bodhisattva is, I know
              > that
              > > > the
              > > > > Buddhist speaks absolute truth about these Beings, he utters
              a
              > > > truth
              > > > > which could be spoken in lands where Buddhism prevailed. I
              > > > understand
              > > > > it when the Buddhist says that a Buddha does not return
              again
              > > into
              > > > a
              > > > > fleshly organism." The Christian who has become a
              theosophist
              > > > > understands the Buddhist who has become a theosophist. And
              if
              > > the
              > > > > Christian were now in his turn to address the Buddhist, he
              > could
              > > > > say: "When one studies the Christian faith in its true
              occult
              > > > > content, as it is studied in occult schools, then one finds
              > that
              > > > the
              > > > > Being who is designated by the name of Christ" — the name of
              > > Christ
              > > > > may be quite unknown to the other — "is a Being who was
              never
              > on
              > > > > earth before the time of the Mystery of Golgotha. He is a
              Being
              > > who
              > > > > can never come again in a physical body; for that would
              > > contradict
              > > > > the whole nature of the Christ."
              > > > >
              > > > > "When the Buddhist who has become a theosophist hears this
              from
              > > the
              > > > > Christian, he will answer him in the following way: "Just as
              > you
              > > > > understand how impossible it is for me to admit that a
              Buddha,
              > > > after
              > > > > he has once become Buddha, can come again in a fleshly
              body, —
              > > just
              > > > > as you understand me, recognising what has been imparted to
              me
              > > as
              > > > > truth, so am I ready to recognise the share of truth that
              has
              > > been
              > > > > communicated to you. I try to recognise what you receive
              from
              > > your
              > > > > faith, namely, that at the beginning of Christianity stands,
              > not
              > > so
              > > > > much a Teacher, but a Deed, an Act." For the occultist
              places
              > at
              > > > the
              > > > > beginning of Christianity not Jesus of Nazareth, but the
              > Christ,
              > > > and
              > > > > he sets the actual moment of its beginning in the Mystery of
              > > > > Golgotha.
              > > > >
              > > > > "Buddhism differs from Christianity in that it has a
              personal
              > > > teacher
              > > > > as its starting-point, whereas Christianity has a deed, the
              > deed
              > > of
              > > > > salvation and release, the deed accomplished by the death on
              > the
              > > > > Cross on Golgotha. Not a doctrine but a deed stands at the
              > > > foundation
              > > > > of Christian evolution. This the Buddhist theosophist
              > > understands,
              > > > > and he receives what is given as the occult foundation of
              > > > > Christianity and in doing so helps to establish harmony
              among
              > > > > mankind. He would be breaking the harmony if he were to
              apply
              > to
              > > > > Christianity his Buddhist ideas. It is the part of the
              > > Christian,
              > > > > when he becomes theosophist, to understand Buddhism out of
              > > Buddhism
              > > > > itself, not to re-mould in some way of his own the ideas
              about
              > > > > Bodhisattva and Buddha, but rather to understand them as
              they
              > > are
              > > > > contained in Buddhism. Similarly it is the part of the
              Buddhist
              > > to
              > > > > receive the Christian ideas as they are, for they form the
              > > occult
              > > > > foundations of Christianity. Just as it is impossible to
              bring
              > > > > together the Being Who is named with the name of Christ with
              > > Beings
              > > > > of a lower kind, namely with Bodhisattvas, so also is it
              > > > impossible,
              > > > > if we would remain loyal to the ideal of theosophy, to allow
              > > > > theosophy to be anything else than a faithful reflection of
              the
              > > > > single undivided occultism....."
              > > > >
              > > > > "Occultism has always had the character of universality and
              is
              > > > > independent of every Buddhist as well as of every Christian
              > > shade
              > > > of
              > > > > colouring. Hence it can understand objectively the Mussulman
              or
              > > the
              > > > > Zoroastrian or the Buddhist, even as it can also the
              Christian.
              > > > What
              > > > > I have said will help you to see how it is that occultism,
              > which
              > > is
              > > > > universal, has come to assume in theosophy so many different
              > > forms
              > > > in
              > > > > the course of human evolution. And you will be able also to
              see
              > > why
              > > > > in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not
              > that
              > > > one
              > > > > form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but
              > that
              > > > all
              > > > > the different forms of expression of religion should
              mutually
              > > > > understand one another. The first condition for this,
              however,
              > > is
              > > > > that men should come to an understanding of the occult
              > > foundations
              > > > > that are the same for all religions."
              > > > > - Rudolf Steiner
              > > > >
              > > >
              > >
              >
            • carol
              I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real solution to defeating these occult powers….Once the door is opened the mineral plane is
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                I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real
                solution to defeating these occult powers….Once the door is opened the
                mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you…People
                need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                proceeds from the head to the heart….

                That's good, but a lot of smart people still don't have the courage
                to grasp that these are in fact occult powers. Sadly, they cling to
                comfort of their childhood experiences of watching <movies> etc!

                I've noticed that influential people on the net are now showing such
                a thin layer between themselves and Occult studies. One year has
                made a big difference for them as well. In Alex Jones' latest
                movie, he came so close to be able label `that which he was able
                to illustrate pictorially', but he didn't. He associated it only to
                the deeds of a group of individuals.

                In John Kaminski's latest letter, he came so close to describing the
                choice to follow the etheric Christ, but he couldn't. He called
                it `happiness'.

                I think it's coming…

                But for us, I don't think it's a simple matter of keeping out of the
                Profane's reach. 25 years of preparation should warrant more use,
                don't you think?

                As for Japan, I got it! Carol.




                In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@...>
                wrote:
                >
                > I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real
                > solution to defeating these occult powers. It is the only method I
                > have ever advocated; and it works. Once the door is opened the
                > mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you. The
                > world doesn't understand this because they don't study spiritual
                > science, and are therefore susceptible to the influences of the
                > asuras in the negative way that penetrates the ego. Mankind has
                > little chance to succeed if only these few initiates keep trodding
                > the same rutted path where the truffles are sought instead. People
                > need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                > proceeds from the head to the heart. And only schools can provide
                > this opportunity.
                >
                > Relative to my description of the Japan-U.S. connection, I'm saying
                > that America stole it from Japan with the bombs, and the unleashing
                > of the pure destructive unconsecrated light potential of the
                reverse
                > dodecahedron. Thus, it is our country that has born the Ahrimanic
                > incarnation, and it is the evilmost Asuras that hatched the idea,
                > and succeeded in carrying it out.
                >
                > Steve
                >
                > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > "You see, they have something called "the cosmic intelligence",
                but
                > > it is warped; not straight like the spiritual science we get and
                > > cultivate with our heads.."
                > >
                > > Of course, Steve, they brought `egoism' into it, and employed
                > Satanic
                > > rituals and rites. Perhaps what I was leading to, best rest for
                > the
                > > moment. I was referring to creative actions employed on an
                Occult
                > > level; being exceptional and truly Spiritual. I think
                > considering
                > > the present outward circumstances, the real work will have to
                > > remain `deeply' hidden. The situation is too `new'.
                > >
                > > I'm not convinced about Japan being the basin for Ahriman's
                > > incarnation. A's quite clever, it doesn't surprise me that he
                > > reaches over the Pacific to snug up against Russia and China and
                > the
                > > rest of the Eastern countries. He's playing another game through
                > > western Europe as well.
                > >
                > > So much to look out for, as long as the Heavens bless us with
                > > longevity…. Carol.
                > >
                > >
                > > "The differences between the theosophies that exist on the Earth
                > lie
                > > in the manner of thought used to clothe the occult truths. The
                > > foundations of occultism are always and everywhere one and the
                > > same...." R.S.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@>
                > > wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Carol,
                > > >
                > > > There are some who think that Satan's incarnation has already
                > > > occurred, as you seem to indicate is your belief. According to
                > > > Steiner, Lucifer's actual physical incarnation occurred in the
                > Far
                > > > East of China in the 3rd millennium B.C., and that Ahriman's
                > would
                > > > occur in the Far West early in the 3rd millennium A.D. Now, if
                > you
                > > > look at a globe of the world, you'll find that East and West
                > meet
                > > > with China and Japan. Thus, Japan is the likely place for
                > > Ahriman's
                > > > physical incarnation to occur. For those that have studied
                > > Japanese
                > > > history and culture there are very strongly ahrimanic
                tendencies
                > > > within this society. I know especially, and first hand,
                because
                > of
                > > > my years of experience in studying and incorporating Japanese
                > > > manufacturing methods when I worked for the Boeing Company,
                > which
                > > > sold out to the Japanese back in the mid 80's in order to gain
                > > > access to their rather strict and machine-like methods of
                design
                > > and
                > > > building complex assemblies like Toyota, Honda, and Datsun
                > > > automobiles. Boeing wanted to buy into these methods for its
                > > > airplane manufacturing, and so gave up important sub-contracts
                > to
                > > > Japan in order to learn their secrets. They called it the
                > > beginning
                > > > of "World-Class Competitiveness", and the entire work force of
                > > > Boeing involved in the functions of building airplanes had to
                go
                > > > through training in learning how to "think Japanese".
                > > >
                > > > But in large respects, America had already made Japan its
                > strategic
                > > > ally as early as the 1850's, when the opening of Japan was
                > forced
                > > > when President Fillmore sent Commodore Peary, armed with four
                > > > sinister-looking black gun ships into Tokyo Bay in order to
                > awaken
                > > > the sleeping Shogunate from its inward-turned slumber. Japan
                > had
                > > > decided to conduct a revolution and revert to its primal roots
                > some
                > > > two hundred years earlier, by overthrowing the emperor, and
                > > > returning to its native spirituality with no outside
                > interference
                > > or
                > > > connections, except for the entry of one Dutch ship a year.
                > That
                > > > was it, and that was the way it was going until Admiral Peary
                > > > brought a letter from the President of the United States in
                > 1852,
                > > > offering friendly relations, and a tacit warning to come out of
                > > > hiding; or else! Thus, the reason for the show of force with
                > the
                > > > gun ships, and Peary's misrepresenting himself as being an
                > Admiral
                > > > of the Navy.
                > > >
                > > > History shows that this was the beginning of a very influential
                > > > relationship between the United States and Japan in the Pacific
                > > > theatre, which was considered to be the next great step in the
                > > > achievement of ultimate Manifest Destiny, after the trek from
                > the
                > > > east coast of the U.S. to the Pacific Ocean saw the statehood
                of
                > > > California in September of 1850. Thus, manifest destiny
                > > accompanied
                > > > by the Monroe Doctrine made it imperative that a partner in the
                > > > Pacific be found in order that the U.S. could combat its
                > perceived
                > > > enemies, i.e., China and Russia, under the auspices of this
                > > partner,
                > > > which was to be the island nation of Japan. And history proves
                > > that
                > > > Japan proved to be a worthy partner by its war and victory over
                > > > Russia in 1905, and its horrific massacre of the Chinese, it's
                > arch
                > > > enemy, in the 1930's. All achieved through its alliance with
                > the
                > > > United States.
                > > >
                > > > Then, the greatest act of alliance between these two nations
                > > > occurred in 1939, when a scheme was devised, very similar in
                > ways
                > > to
                > > > the attack on the World Trade Center buildings on September 11,
                > > > 2001, wherein Japanese airplanes would be allowed to bomb the
                > navy
                > > > base at Pearl Harbor in order to create a bogus war in the
                > Pacific,
                > > > to go along with the war in Europe. But, without telling the
                > > > Japanese leaders about the ultimate reason for resolving the
                > war; a
                > > > reason that would have negated any allegiance on the part of
                > Japan
                > > > in participating in such an evil lying scheme, the United
                States
                > > > government, controlled by the secretive and underlying
                > Illuminati,
                > > > used the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the resulting
                orchestration
                > > > of 'battles' in the Pacific, as justification for the creation
                > of a
                > > > new and utterly deadly force of destruction called the Atom
                > Bombs,
                > > > which were detonated against Japan even though they sought to
                > > > surrender in advance when it became known that these bombs
                > existed.
                > > >
                > > > No such luck, as President Truman gave the order to bomb the
                > cities
                > > > of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the summer of 1945, and the
                > surrender
                > > > was completed as a kind of 'final solution' to FDR's New Deal
                > > > policies of the 1930's. As a result, Japan became an ally
                > again,
                > > > getting full reconstruction support from the U.S., and
                > eventually
                > > > becoming a prominent player in the manufacturing marketplace,
                as
                > is
                > > > seen today with its lucrative global position in world
                > economics.
                > > > But what a price to pay! And they didn't even know it, because
                > the
                > > > Illuminati rules the world in a very clever and devious
                > fashion.
                > > >
                > > > You see, they have something called "the cosmic intelligence",
                > but
                > > > it is warped; not straight like the spiritual science we get
                and
                > > > cultivate with our heads.
                > > >
                > > > Steve
                > > >
                > > > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
                > > > wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > "why in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal,
                > not
                > > > that
                > > > > one form of religion should gain the victory over the rest,
                > but
                > > > that
                > > > > all the different forms of expression of religion should
                > mutually
                > > > > understand one another. The first condition for this,
                however,
                > is
                > > > > that men should come to an understanding of the occult
                > foundations
                > > > > that are the same for all religions."
                > > > >
                > > > > My question is the following: If the so called higher
                ranking
                > > > > Illuminati are practicing an Occultism which calls upon
                > `Satan',
                > > > does
                > > > > this remain a `practice of Occultism with an individualized
                > shade
                > > > of
                > > > > coloring'?
                > > > >
                > > > > Also, if "Occultism has always had the character of
                > > universality",
                > > > > then would not the highest ranking Illuminati, (who would
                have
                > > > been
                > > > > extremely instrumental in facilitating the earthly
                incarnation
                > > > > of `Satan" through the use of occult rites) not also be
                forced
                > to
                > > > > recognize the phenomena of benevolent Occult forces
                > (emanating
                > > > from
                > > > > the efforts of incarnated Spiritual Souls)?
                > > > >
                > > > > Wouldn't these profane Occultists not find themselves
                somewhat
                > in
                > > > an
                > > > > opposite position than where we stand? Would they not find
                > > > > themselves forced to recognise the emergence of the Conscious
                > > Soul
                > > > > on an Occult level, just as we watch the emergence of
                > > > Ahriman/Azuras?
                > > > >
                > > > > And whereas in Steiner's time, the Illuminati had not yet
                > > > achieved
                > > > > their primary goal, today as we speak, they have. I suspect
                > > that
                > > > > Anthroposophy was not SUPPOSED to prevent the `ascent' of
                > Ahriman
                > > > > into the Human realm but now that the act has been
                > accomplished,
                > > > it
                > > > > may have a significant role to play (on an Occult level).
                > > > >
                > > > > Perhaps, building (Occult) bridges.
                > > > >
                > > > > Carol.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "888 <fireofthe12@>"
                > > > > <fireofthe12@> wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "A theosophist has always before him the ideal of a
                > universal
                > > > > single
                > > > > > occultism, free of all religious prejudice."
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Here Rudolf Steiner explains the ideals of theosophy, not
                as
                > > > > Eastern
                > > > > > or Western but as a universal movement.
                > > > > > -Bruce
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/ManOccult/19120602p01.html
                > > > > >
                > > > > > God is no respector of personalities and neither is
                > occultism.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "Occultism strips itself entirely of the personal element.
                > > > Systems
                > > > > > of philosophy arise directly out of the personal in man;
                > > > occultism
                > > > > > arises out of the impersonal and is on this account capable
                > of
                > > > > > general comprehension. And when it is a question of
                > expressing
                > > > > > occultism in terms of theosophy, the endeavour is always
                > made
                > > to
                > > > > > speak to every human heart and every human soul, and in
                > large
                > > > > measure
                > > > > > this can be done....
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Occultism- the same for all mankind:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "Occultism is in its results one and the same for all
                > mankind.
                > > > In
                > > > > > reality there is no such thing as a difference of
                standpoint
                > in
                > > > > > occultism, — any more than there are different mathematics.
                > It
                > > > is
                > > > > > only necessary in regard to any particular question to have
                > the
                > > > > means
                > > > > > actually at hand to acquire knowledge on on that question,
                > and
                > > > the
                > > > > > knowledge will be the same as is reached by everyone who
                has
                > > the
                > > > > > right means at his disposal. Thus, speaking in the ideal
                > sense,
                > > > we
                > > > > > can just as little admit the existence of different
                > standpoints
                > > > in
                > > > > > occultism as we can imagine there might be different
                > > standpoints
                > > > in
                > > > > > mathematics. Consequently occultism, wherever it has made
                > its
                > > > > > appearance, has always been recognised as single and
                > universal.
                > > > It
                > > > > is
                > > > > > true that in the various theosophies that have existed from
                > > time
                > > > to
                > > > > > time and have supplied the outer cloak, so to speak, of
                > occult
                > > > > > truths, differences show themselves; but that is because
                the
                > > > truths
                > > > > > have had to be clothed differently for one folk or one
                > epoch,
                > > > than
                > > > > > for another folk or another epoch. In other words, the
                > > > differences
                > > > > > between the theosophies that exist on the Earth lie in the
                > > > manner
                > > > > of
                > > > > > thought used to clothe the occult truths. The foundations
                of
                > > > > > occultism are always and everywhere one and the same...."
                > > > > > "Occultism knows no such differentiations, it knows
                nothing
                > > > that
                > > > > > might stir up opposition between man and man. No cause for
                > > > > opposition
                > > > > > exists, since occultism is the single undivided property of
                > all
                > > > > > mankind. And inasmuch as theosophy should in our time
                > concern
                > > > > itself
                > > > > > with the provision of a right and proper expression for
                > > > occultism,
                > > > > it
                > > > > > too must take care to absorb as little as possible of the
                > > > > > differentiations that have manifested themselves in
                mankind.
                > It
                > > > > must
                > > > > > set itself the aim of being a faithful expression of occult
                > > > truth
                > > > > and
                > > > > > occult connections in so doing, it will inevitably also
                work
                > > for
                > > > > the
                > > > > > overthrow of all specialised world-conceptions and help to
                > > break
                > > > > down
                > > > > > religious differentiations."
                > > > > >
                > > > > > There is no Eastern, Western, Christain, Buddhist Theosophy:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "We must learn completely to overcome the inclination to a
                > > > > theosophy
                > > > > > of a definite stamp and colouring. It has gradually come
                > about
                > > > in
                > > > > the
                > > > > > history of evolution that theosophies have tended to
                receive
                > a
                > > > > > certain nuance and colouring in accordance — I will not say
                > > with
                > > > > > religious prejudices, but with religious preconceived
                > feelings
                > > > and
                > > > > > opinions. Theosophy needs to keep constantly in view its
                > > ideal, —
                > > >
                > > > > to
                > > > > > be a reflection of occultism. There can therefore be no
                such
                > > > thing
                > > > > as
                > > > > > a Buddhist theosophy or a Hindu theosophy, or a Zoroastrian
                > or
                > > a
                > > > > > Christian. Naturally, regard must be had to the
                > characteristic
                > > > > ideas
                > > > > > and thoughts with which particular people will approach
                > > > theosophy.
                > > > > > Nevertheless it must never let go its ideal of being a pure
                > > > > > expression for occult truth. It was, for example, a
                > repudiation
                > > > of
                > > > > > the fundamental principle of occultists all the world over,
                > > when
                > > > a
                > > > > > theosophy made its appearance among certain societies in
                > > Central
                > > > > > Europe, calling itself a "Christian" theosophy. As a matter
                > of
                > > > > fact,
                > > > > > you can just as little have a Christian theosophy as a
                > Buddhist
                > > > > > theosophy or a Zoroastrian."
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "The relation theosophy has to assume to religion is that
                of
                > an
                > > > > > expounder of its truths. For theosophy is in a position to
                > > > > understand
                > > > > > the truths of religion....."
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "A great work for peace on earth would be accomplished if
                > unity
                > > > and
                > > > > > harmony could be established in regard to the higher realms
                > of
                > > > > occult
                > > > > > knowledge. Let that stand before us as an ideal. It is hard
                > of
                > > > > > attainment. When one reflects how intimately men are bound
                > up
                > > > with
                > > > > > their religious prejudices and with the whole way in which
                > they
                > > > > have
                > > > > > been educated, one will readily perceive the difficulty of
                > > > > presenting
                > > > > > them with something that is not coloured with any religious
                > > > > prejudice
                > > > > > but is as faithful a picture as possible of occult
                knowledge.
                > > > > > "Within certain limits we must be prepared to recognise
                that
                > as
                > > > > long
                > > > > > as the Buddhist takes the standpoint of the Buddhist faith,
                > he
                > > > > > rejects the standpoint of the Christian. And if theosophy
                > takes
                > > > on
                > > > > a
                > > > > > Buddhist colouring, then that Buddhist theosophy will quite
                > > > > naturally
                > > > > > show itself inimical, or at any rate unsympathetic, to
                > > > occultism.
                > > > > We
                > > > > > shall also understand how difficult it is, in a realm where
                > > > > Christian
                > > > > > forms prevail, to come to an objective knowledge, let us
                > say,
                > > of
                > > > > > those aspects of occultism which find expression in
                Buddhism
                > > Our
                > > > > > ideal, however, must always be to meet the one point of
                view
                > > > with
                > > > > > just as much understanding as the other and to establish
                > over
                > > > the
                > > > > > whole earth a harmonious and peaceful relationship based on
                > > > mutual
                > > > > > comprehension.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "The Buddhist and the Christian who have become
                theosophists
                > > > will
                > > > > > understand one another, they will be sure to discover a
                > > > standpoint
                > > > > > where they are in harmonious agreement. A theosophist has
                > > always
                > > > > > before him the ideal of a universal single occultism, free
                > of
                > > > all
                > > > > > religious prejudice. The Christian who has become a
                > theosophist
                > > > > will
                > > > > > understand the Buddhist when he says: "It is not possible
                > that
                > > a
                > > > > > Bodhisattva who has passed from incarnation to incarnation
                > and
                > > > has
                > > > > at
                > > > > > length become Buddha (as happened in the particular case
                > with
                > > > the
                > > > > > death of Suddhodana) should afterwards return again into a
                > > human
                > > > > > body. For in becoming Buddha he has attained to such a
                lofty
                > > > stage
                > > > > of
                > > > > > human evolution that he does not need ever to pass again
                > into a
                > > > > human
                > > > > > body." The Christian will reply to the
                > Buddhist: "Christianity
                > > > has
                > > > > > not up to the present given me any revelation concerning
                > Beings
                > > > > like
                > > > > > Bodhisattvas, but as I strive after theosophy I learn to
                > > > recognise
                > > > > > not only that you know this truth out of your knowledge,
                but
                > > > that I
                > > > > > too must receive it as truth." For as theosophist, the
                > > Christian
                > > > > will
                > > > > > say to himself: "I understand what a Bodhisattva is, I know
                > > that
                > > > > the
                > > > > > Buddhist speaks absolute truth about these Beings, he
                utters
                > a
                > > > > truth
                > > > > > which could be spoken in lands where Buddhism prevailed. I
                > > > > understand
                > > > > > it when the Buddhist says that a Buddha does not return
                > again
                > > > into
                > > > > a
                > > > > > fleshly organism." The Christian who has become a
                > theosophist
                > > > > > understands the Buddhist who has become a theosophist. And
                > if
                > > > the
                > > > > > Christian were now in his turn to address the Buddhist, he
                > > could
                > > > > > say: "When one studies the Christian faith in its true
                > occult
                > > > > > content, as it is studied in occult schools, then one finds
                > > that
                > > > > the
                > > > > > Being who is designated by the name of Christ" — the name
                of
                > > > Christ
                > > > > > may be quite unknown to the other — "is a Being who was
                > never
                > > on
                > > > > > earth before the time of the Mystery of Golgotha. He is a
                > Being
                > > > who
                > > > > > can never come again in a physical body; for that would
                > > > contradict
                > > > > > the whole nature of the Christ."
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "When the Buddhist who has become a theosophist hears this
                > from
                > > > the
                > > > > > Christian, he will answer him in the following way: "Just
                as
                > > you
                > > > > > understand how impossible it is for me to admit that a
                > Buddha,
                > > > > after
                > > > > > he has once become Buddha, can come again in a fleshly
                > body, —
                > > > just
                > > > > > as you understand me, recognising what has been imparted to
                > me
                > > > as
                > > > > > truth, so am I ready to recognise the share of truth that
                > has
                > > > been
                > > > > > communicated to you. I try to recognise what you receive
                > from
                > > > your
                > > > > > faith, namely, that at the beginning of Christianity
                stands,
                > > not
                > > > so
                > > > > > much a Teacher, but a Deed, an Act." For the occultist
                > places
                > > at
                > > > > the
                > > > > > beginning of Christianity not Jesus of Nazareth, but the
                > > Christ,
                > > > > and
                > > > > > he sets the actual moment of its beginning in the Mystery
                of
                > > > > > Golgotha.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "Buddhism differs from Christianity in that it has a
                > personal
                > > > > teacher
                > > > > > as its starting-point, whereas Christianity has a deed, the
                > > deed
                > > > of
                > > > > > salvation and release, the deed accomplished by the death
                on
                > > the
                > > > > > Cross on Golgotha. Not a doctrine but a deed stands at the
                > > > > foundation
                > > > > > of Christian evolution. This the Buddhist theosophist
                > > > understands,
                > > > > > and he receives what is given as the occult foundation of
                > > > > > Christianity and in doing so helps to establish harmony
                > among
                > > > > > mankind. He would be breaking the harmony if he were to
                > apply
                > > to
                > > > > > Christianity his Buddhist ideas. It is the part of the
                > > > Christian,
                > > > > > when he becomes theosophist, to understand Buddhism out of
                > > > Buddhism
                > > > > > itself, not to re-mould in some way of his own the ideas
                > about
                > > > > > Bodhisattva and Buddha, but rather to understand them as
                > they
                > > > are
                > > > > > contained in Buddhism. Similarly it is the part of the
                > Buddhist
                > > > to
                > > > > > receive the Christian ideas as they are, for they form the
                > > > occult
                > > > > > foundations of Christianity. Just as it is impossible to
                > bring
                > > > > > together the Being Who is named with the name of Christ
                with
                > > > Beings
                > > > > > of a lower kind, namely with Bodhisattvas, so also is it
                > > > > impossible,
                > > > > > if we would remain loyal to the ideal of theosophy, to
                allow
                > > > > > theosophy to be anything else than a faithful reflection of
                > the
                > > > > > single undivided occultism....."
                > > > > >
                > > > > > "Occultism has always had the character of universality and
                > is
                > > > > > independent of every Buddhist as well as of every Christian
                > > > shade
                > > > > of
                > > > > > colouring. Hence it can understand objectively the
                Mussulman
                > or
                > > > the
                > > > > > Zoroastrian or the Buddhist, even as it can also the
                > Christian.
                > > > > What
                > > > > > I have said will help you to see how it is that occultism,
                > > which
                > > > is
                > > > > > universal, has come to assume in theosophy so many
                different
                > > > forms
                > > > > in
                > > > > > the course of human evolution. And you will be able also to
                > see
                > > > why
                > > > > > in our time it is so important to hold up as the ideal, not
                > > that
                > > > > one
                > > > > > form of religion should gain the victory over the rest, but
                > > that
                > > > > all
                > > > > > the different forms of expression of religion should
                > mutually
                > > > > > understand one another. The first condition for this,
                > however,
                > > > is
                > > > > > that men should come to an understanding of the occult
                > > > foundations
                > > > > > that are the same for all religions."
                > > > > > - Rudolf Steiner
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • flower_in_the_moonlight
                ... Truffles?
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                  --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real
                  > solution to defeating these occult powers. It is the only method I
                  > have ever advocated; and it works. Once the door is opened the
                  > mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you. The
                  > world doesn't understand this because they don't study spiritual
                  > science, and are therefore susceptible to the influences of the
                  > asuras in the negative way that penetrates the ego. Mankind has
                  > little chance to succeed if only these few initiates keep trodding
                  > the same rutted path where the truffles are sought instead. People
                  > need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                  > proceeds from the head to the heart. And only schools can provide
                  > this opportunity.

                  Truffles?
                • Steve Hale
                  ... real ... method I ... The ... trodding ... People ... provide ... You know; those chocolate candies.
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                    --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "flower_in_the_moonlight"
                    <flower_in_the_moonlight@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@>
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only
                    real
                    > > solution to defeating these occult powers. It is the only
                    method I
                    > > have ever advocated; and it works. Once the door is opened the
                    > > mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you.
                    The
                    > > world doesn't understand this because they don't study spiritual
                    > > science, and are therefore susceptible to the influences of the
                    > > asuras in the negative way that penetrates the ego. Mankind has
                    > > little chance to succeed if only these few initiates keep
                    trodding
                    > > the same rutted path where the truffles are sought instead.
                    People
                    > > need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                    > > proceeds from the head to the heart. And only schools can
                    provide
                    > > this opportunity.
                    >
                    > Truffles?

                    You know; those chocolate candies.
                  • Steve Hale
                    ... the ... courage ... to ... such ... able ... to ... the ... the ... Good, because it has alot to do with this higher initiation science that Steiner
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                      --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real
                      > solution to defeating these occult powers….Once the door is opened
                      the
                      > mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you…People
                      > need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                      > proceeds from the head to the heart….
                      >
                      > That's good, but a lot of smart people still don't have the
                      courage
                      > to grasp that these are in fact occult powers. Sadly, they cling
                      to
                      > comfort of their childhood experiences of watching <movies> etc!
                      >
                      > I've noticed that influential people on the net are now showing
                      such
                      > a thin layer between themselves and Occult studies. One year has
                      > made a big difference for them as well. In Alex Jones' latest
                      > movie, he came so close to be able label `that which he was
                      able
                      > to illustrate pictorially', but he didn't. He associated it only
                      to
                      > the deeds of a group of individuals.
                      >
                      > In John Kaminski's latest letter, he came so close to describing
                      the
                      > choice to follow the etheric Christ, but he couldn't. He called
                      > it `happiness'.
                      >
                      > I think it's coming…
                      >
                      > But for us, I don't think it's a simple matter of keeping out of
                      the
                      > Profane's reach. 25 years of preparation should warrant more use,
                      > don't you think?
                      >
                      > As for Japan, I got it! Carol.

                      Good, because it has alot to do with this higher initiation science
                      that Steiner couldn't talk about in 1918. And who are Alex Jones
                      and John Kaminsky, please?

                      Steve
                    • carol
                      Alex Jones runs a couple of websites (PrisonPlanet.com, Info Wars), an internet radio program out of Dallas, and is a film maker; is a sweet liberally educated
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                        Alex Jones runs a couple of websites (PrisonPlanet.com, Info Wars),
                        an internet radio program out of Dallas, and is a film maker; is a
                        sweet liberally educated man with a big mouth. He is ONE
                        impressionable, humble in his own right, (and spiritual) American
                        man living a significant incarnation in the public's eye.

                        John Kaminski is an American internet essayist whose pieces appeared
                        on Rense.com, no longer there, but remains with TheTruthseeker.UK.
                        He expresses some difficulty in connecting outward political events
                        to Real Truth and lashes out at others because of his own spiritual
                        limitations (you know that world events are COMPLEX in their
                        nature), but he remains one strikingly courageous and insightful
                        American (writer) who's displaying that he's living `a
                        significant incarnation' in full view of the (alternative)public.

                        There are definitely others. The websites mentioned are of the TOP
                        few reliable and courageously maintained ones which are themselves
                        extremely instrumental in diffusing facts and ideas which would
                        otherwise remain hidden from the media. Carol.




                        In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@...>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only real
                        > > solution to defeating these occult powers….Once the door is
                        opened
                        > the
                        > > mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you…
                        People
                        > > need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                        > > proceeds from the head to the heart….
                        > >
                        > > That's good, but a lot of smart people still don't have the
                        > courage
                        > > to grasp that these are in fact occult powers. Sadly, they cling
                        > to
                        > > comfort of their childhood experiences of watching <movies> etc!
                        > >
                        > > I've noticed that influential people on the net are now showing
                        > such
                        > > a thin layer between themselves and Occult studies. One year has
                        > > made a big difference for them as well. In Alex Jones' latest
                        > > movie, he came so close to be able label `that which he was
                        > able
                        > > to illustrate pictorially', but he didn't. He associated it only
                        > to
                        > > the deeds of a group of individuals.
                        > >
                        > > In John Kaminski's latest letter, he came so close to describing
                        > the
                        > > choice to follow the etheric Christ, but he couldn't. He called
                        > > it `happiness'.
                        > >
                        > > I think it's coming…
                        > >
                        > > But for us, I don't think it's a simple matter of keeping out of
                        > the
                        > > Profane's reach. 25 years of preparation should warrant more
                        use,
                        > > don't you think?
                        > >
                        > > As for Japan, I got it! Carol.
                        >
                        > Good, because it has alot to do with this higher initiation science
                        > that Steiner couldn't talk about in 1918. And who are Alex Jones
                        > and John Kaminsky, please?
                        >
                        > Steve
                        >
                      • Steve Hale
                        Carol, Every life is a significant incarnation. None are wasted. Each life on earth advances the individual soul and spirit of man further on toward the time
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                          Carol,

                          Every life is a significant incarnation. None are wasted. Each
                          life on earth advances the individual soul and spirit of man further
                          on toward the time when we will remember what came before we forgot,
                          and the understanding of why we had to forget. Steve

                          --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Alex Jones runs a couple of websites (PrisonPlanet.com, Info
                          Wars),
                          > an internet radio program out of Dallas, and is a film maker; is a
                          > sweet liberally educated man with a big mouth. He is ONE
                          > impressionable, humble in his own right, (and spiritual) American
                          > man living a significant incarnation in the public's eye.
                          >
                          > John Kaminski is an American internet essayist whose pieces
                          appeared
                          > on Rense.com, no longer there, but remains with
                          TheTruthseeker.UK.
                          > He expresses some difficulty in connecting outward political
                          events
                          > to Real Truth and lashes out at others because of his own
                          spiritual
                          > limitations (you know that world events are COMPLEX in their
                          > nature), but he remains one strikingly courageous and insightful
                          > American (writer) who's displaying that he's living `a
                          > significant incarnation' in full view of the (alternative)public.
                          >
                          > There are definitely others. The websites mentioned are of the TOP
                          > few reliable and courageously maintained ones which are themselves
                          > extremely instrumental in diffusing facts and ideas which would
                          > otherwise remain hidden from the media. Carol.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only
                          real
                          > > > solution to defeating these occult powers….Once the door is
                          > opened
                          > > the
                          > > > mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you…
                          > People
                          > > > need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                          > > > proceeds from the head to the heart….
                          > > >
                          > > > That's good, but a lot of smart people still don't have the
                          > > courage
                          > > > to grasp that these are in fact occult powers. Sadly, they
                          cling
                          > > to
                          > > > comfort of their childhood experiences of watching <movies>
                          etc!
                          > > >
                          > > > I've noticed that influential people on the net are now
                          showing
                          > > such
                          > > > a thin layer between themselves and Occult studies. One year
                          has
                          > > > made a big difference for them as well. In Alex Jones'
                          latest
                          > > > movie, he came so close to be able label `that which he was
                          > > able
                          > > > to illustrate pictorially', but he didn't. He associated it
                          only
                          > > to
                          > > > the deeds of a group of individuals.
                          > > >
                          > > > In John Kaminski's latest letter, he came so close to
                          describing
                          > > the
                          > > > choice to follow the etheric Christ, but he couldn't. He
                          called
                          > > > it `happiness'.
                          > > >
                          > > > I think it's coming…
                          > > >
                          > > > But for us, I don't think it's a simple matter of keeping out
                          of
                          > > the
                          > > > Profane's reach. 25 years of preparation should warrant more
                          > use,
                          > > > don't you think?
                          > > >
                          > > > As for Japan, I got it! Carol.
                          > >
                          > > Good, because it has alot to do with this higher initiation
                          science
                          > > that Steiner couldn't talk about in 1918. And who are Alex
                          Jones
                          > > and John Kaminsky, please?
                          > >
                          > > Steve
                          > >
                          >
                        • carol
                          Steve, though I agree with what you say, my use of this concept and terminology comes from Steiner himself. I was referring to the fact that some
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                            Steve, though I agree with what you say, my use of this concept and
                            terminology comes from Steiner himself. I was referring to the fact
                            that some incarnations are more significant for the earth and it's
                            peoples than others.

                            You may agree that the efforts of some incarnations could be devoted
                            to developing abilities which, when transformed or internalised if
                            you will, could allow for impressionable activity on the physical
                            plane in another. For example, the concert conductor or classical
                            composer would definitely transform that which he developed in this
                            type of life, into quite different abilities or natural affinities
                            in a subsequent one. The newly transformed abilities may show
                            themselves in the `soul's' ability to gather up fine details of
                            social life and transpose them into a comprehensive world conception,
                            which may allow him/her to move or impose ideas and issues in an
                            authoritative fashion. (this is my take, though I'm not an expert)

                            Some incarnations are devoted to personal spiritual advancement with
                            little effort to influence the rest of humanity. That is not to say
                            that every individual present on the earth is not significant. It
                            depends on which level and from which angle you deal with the
                            question. Carol.




                            In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > Carol,
                            >
                            > Every life is a significant incarnation. None are wasted. Each
                            > life on earth advances the individual soul and spirit of man
                            further
                            > on toward the time when we will remember what came before we
                            forgot,
                            > and the understanding of why we had to forget. Steve
                            >
                            > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
                            > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Alex Jones runs a couple of websites (PrisonPlanet.com, Info
                            > Wars),
                            > > an internet radio program out of Dallas, and is a film maker; is
                            a
                            > > sweet liberally educated man with a big mouth. He is ONE
                            > > impressionable, humble in his own right, (and spiritual)
                            American
                            > > man living a significant incarnation in the public's eye.
                            > >
                            > > John Kaminski is an American internet essayist whose pieces
                            > appeared
                            > > on Rense.com, no longer there, but remains with
                            > TheTruthseeker.UK.
                            > > He expresses some difficulty in connecting outward political
                            > events
                            > > to Real Truth and lashes out at others because of his own
                            > spiritual
                            > > limitations (you know that world events are COMPLEX in their
                            > > nature), but he remains one strikingly courageous and insightful
                            > > American (writer) who's displaying that he's living `a
                            > > significant incarnation' in full view of the (alternative)public.
                            > >
                            > > There are definitely others. The websites mentioned are of the
                            TOP
                            > > few reliable and courageously maintained ones which are
                            themselves
                            > > extremely instrumental in diffusing facts and ideas which would
                            > > otherwise remain hidden from the media. Carol.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hale" <sardisian01@>
                            > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I was referring to the study of spiritual science as the only
                            > real
                            > > > > solution to defeating these occult powers….Once the door is
                            > > opened
                            > > > the
                            > > > > mineral plane is beneath your feet, and they can't reach you…
                            > > People
                            > > > > need to wake up and be energized to this new activity, which
                            > > > > proceeds from the head to the heart….
                            > > > >
                            > > > > That's good, but a lot of smart people still don't have the
                            > > > courage
                            > > > > to grasp that these are in fact occult powers. Sadly, they
                            > cling
                            > > > to
                            > > > > comfort of their childhood experiences of watching <movies>
                            > etc!
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I've noticed that influential people on the net are now
                            > showing
                            > > > such
                            > > > > a thin layer between themselves and Occult studies. One year
                            > has
                            > > > > made a big difference for them as well. In Alex Jones'
                            > latest
                            > > > > movie, he came so close to be able label `that which he
                            was
                            > > > able
                            > > > > to illustrate pictorially', but he didn't. He associated it
                            > only
                            > > > to
                            > > > > the deeds of a group of individuals.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > In John Kaminski's latest letter, he came so close to
                            > describing
                            > > > the
                            > > > > choice to follow the etheric Christ, but he couldn't. He
                            > called
                            > > > > it `happiness'.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I think it's coming…
                            > > > >
                            > > > > But for us, I don't think it's a simple matter of keeping
                            out
                            > of
                            > > > the
                            > > > > Profane's reach. 25 years of preparation should warrant more
                            > > use,
                            > > > > don't you think?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > As for Japan, I got it! Carol.
                            > > >
                            > > > Good, because it has alot to do with this higher initiation
                            > science
                            > > > that Steiner couldn't talk about in 1918. And who are Alex
                            > Jones
                            > > > and John Kaminsky, please?
                            > > >
                            > > > Steve
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
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