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  • lightsearcher1
    November 20, 2002 LIBERAL DEMOCRACY S FINAL HOUR by Paul Craig Roberts ....multiculturalism and the emergence of group rights based on victim status are
    Message 1 of 4 , Dec 1, 2002
      November 20, 2002

      LIBERAL DEMOCRACY'S FINAL HOUR
      by Paul Craig Roberts

      ....multiculturalism and the emergence of group rights based on
      victim status are eroding equality in law, freedom of conscience and
      free speech.

      As these are the historic achievements of liberal democracy, how can
      the future belong to a system that is undergoing meltdown at its
      core?

      Both the United States and Europe now have crimes of opinion, a
      defining feature of Oceania in George Orwell's "1984."

      Americans and Europeans are subject to arrest and imprisonment for
      words judged offensive by the therapeutic state.

      This frightening departure from Western tradition is justified in the
      name of curtailing hate and advancing human rights.

      While the Western identity is melting down intellectually, it is
      being dissolved politically.

      The historic identities of European nationalities are being replaced
      by an abstraction. Briton, Frenchman, German, Italian, Swede, Czech,
      Greek, Austrian, Dane, Spaniard and Dutchman are to become "European"
      citizens of a new bureaucratic state created by edicts and without a
      history.

      These are not promising developments for liberal democracy.

      Differences of opinion within homogeneous nation-states have often
      challenged consensual government, with bitter divisions erupting in
      national strikes and political violence.

      Imagine these differences multiplied by aggregating many
      nationalities into one state.

      The politics of the European Union will have to deal not only with
      the differences of opinion within the separate nationalities, but
      also with the differences between the different nationalities that
      comprise the new superstate.

      Will not consent be more difficult to obtain, thus enhancing the
      scope for coercion? Will liberal democracy be the model, or will the
      model be bureaucratic coercion ruling through the same unaccountable
      edicts that are being used to create the European Union?

      Large-scale immigration of people from different cultures is turning
      the United States as well into a multi-nationalities state.

      The political emergence of disparate and hyphenated identities
      reduces the range of issues that can be resolved by persuasion and
      consent.

      Coercive regulations already exist to enforce victim-group rights and
      to regulate speech.

      Other developments are eating away at the foundations of liberal
      democracy.

      Having lost its national identity to hyphenated populations, the
      United States can only respond to terrorism with constitutionally
      suspect legislation, which permits officials to set aside civil
      liberties, and by empowering a Department of Homeland Security to
      keep a dossier on every citizen. Only illegal immigrants will have
      privacy.

      Multicultural populations do not possess the comity among citizens
      that flows from a national identity.

      Having discarded national identities, the United States and the
      European Union are multicultural empires.

      Empires have poor records of self-government and tend to rely on
      coercion.

      Liberal democracy is a creation of the nation-state and is unlikely
      to persist in the emerging multicultural empires.

      It was America's unique achievement to create a national identity out
      of European ethnicities.

      When immigration worked for America, all the incentives were for an
      immigrant to make himself into an American.

      Today, the incentives are for immigrants to retain the privileges of
      preferred minorityhood. -- A few states go so far as to grant special
      advantages, such as in-state tuition, to illegal immigrants. This is
      not a policy that promotes comity.

      What is the meaning of citizenship when the rewards to the illegal
      immigrant trump the penalties of his illegal presence and give him
      financial advantages over citizens?

      Western governments are undermining themselves by creating
      populations of disparate peoples with disparate rights.

      The resulting antagonisms are inconsistent with liberal democracy.

      The clash of civilizations is upon us from within our own borders. If
      China and Islam only bide their time, the world is theirs.

      It is not the end of history; it is the end of the West.

      . . . . . .

      http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/20/112806.shtml
    • Judson Chambers
      Hello lightsearcher1 and forum, Thanks for the input. The subject line is apropo. However, the attempted veil or enclothing by that organization of coercive
      Message 2 of 4 , Dec 2, 2002
        Hello "lightsearcher1" and forum,

        Thanks for the input. The subject line is apropo.
        However, the attempted veil or enclothing by that
        organization of coercive command and control over the
        lives of the circumferenced and embounded inhabitants
        of "nations" is not missing from our view. We should
        not let our babble concerning whether the forces of
        coercive evil are socialist or capitalist or whatever
        except that it desires the consumption of human
        energy/spirit.

        Those who would betroth with such a coercive beast as
        these metaphoric "Governments", is truly blessing the
        enemy of the moral development of the ego in any
        individual human. Its blemishes are looked upon in
        askance and "patience" in the hope that its core
        incompetence and identity for coercion can be obscured
        from view.

        We know about coercion most intimately in the
        relationship tying the sensible data within sensory
        organs and its sway upon the out-looking focus of the
        I in the ego. Our struggle as individuals most
        importantly concerns the inward relation of these
        coercive sensible factoids and the capacity of the
        spirit-filled ego to come to higher moral position
        even in the surround of outer coercivism.

        Aside from this sketch upon the intimate relation with
        coercion, we also face it on an external basis wherein
        other humans have become so addicted to coercion's
        wondrous potential for aggregation and influence that
        invasive acts of coercion upon others can be raised to
        a trump-card value. However, one must be careful of
        the objects of reality concerning the use of coercion,
        especially of human use of coercion. Any application
        of coercion for the unification of various humans to
        form a metaphoric "body" that applies coercion upon
        others is properly identified with tyranny and
        certainly betrays a misunderstanding of voluntarist
        contraction versus coercivist kidnapping/enslaving.
        Therefore it is important to learn how to organize a
        metaphoric "body" of humans that incorporate virtues
        of organization and insight that could establish
        multiple points of contraction of human spiritual
        energy in the form of various agencies (arbitration,
        insurance, defense, education, medical, real property
        registration, et al) of civilization, required for
        advanced human social development.

        These organizational potentials for advanced
        development cannot be perceived while attempting to
        veil "coercive organization" with appellations such as
        "capitalist", "socialist" or somesuch. As attempted in
        earlier posts, it is most useful to understand that
        capitalism gains its philologic and real value by true
        self-awareness. Any value for any good in relation to
        an individual "social body" or an individual body
        must, in logical identity which language assists, be
        in a subservient relation to the inward "valuer". The
        difficulty with the application of "capitalism" to a
        "coercivist body" such as metaphoric Government is
        that, in the context of humans, each individual is a
        kingship in himself; is free of the rythmic sway of
        nature except by choice. The coercivist seeks to
        negate this capital evaluator within the especially
        lower levels of its metaphoric body by its preachments
        for and preference for selflessness. A power to
        establish a scale (much like those scales that trail
        in tiered layers from the head of a fish) of value,
        nonetheless persists within the topmost or most
        central of capacities of the individual human, the
        capital position, the ego within man.

        That coercivists are not unique from other men in the
        harboring of this capital function, yet they seek to
        convince us that their brand of association is
        necessary for human moral insistence and existence,
        even as they declare that "anti-spirit,
        pro-materialist sensibility" is the foundation of all
        worldly knowing. Their deceitfulness for clothing
        themselves in "politically correct" language is
        proverbial. They must do this. On one hand, they are
        "socialists", looking out for the sake of the whole
        social body. On the other hand they are "capitalist",
        looking after the integrity of the only real body that
        houses an ego (except the usually ignored cosmic ego),
        the human individual. But in the midst of this
        behemoth is the truth, a group of individual self
        satisfiers (claiming altruism as purpose) who would
        coercively drain production for fulsome allocation of
        consumption mirroring their self-determined scales of
        evaluation and tactic.

        But bottom line, the problem with such declarations
        (for coercive Government) as "capitalist" versus
        "socialist", if adopted as valid, exercises a kind of
        spiritual passivity confronting the activity of
        coercion expressed through the limbs of those
        enforcing the coercion of metaphoric Government.

        We do not need passivity of ego (actualizing a
        predominance of "selflessness" or anti-ego behaviour);
        we need an enlightened ego, driving for its
        establishment and representation in wisdom in the
        context of human social exchange. We do not advance by
        denying our own identity as beings. On the contrare.
        Respect for each's freedom and ego must be the base
        for human contraction in social exchange. One of the
        difficulties for the forces of moral enlightenment
        through the development of ego is that such an
        expression cannot be envisioned by the unenlightened
        ego. For human social development, the possibilities
        of moral and capital egoism must somehow be presented
        clearly. This will come, but in the meantime we have
        in our looming midst very powerful forces of
        hindrance. There is a time and place for everything?
        Even this nonsense? Maybe, but too much of this
        coercivist behavior will subdue the opportunity for
        development, forcing its only opportunity into the
        subconscious realm of the capital individual whose
        praxis in social contexts will suffer variably.

        But surely we can and will grow beyond this group-soul
        tendency to inappropiately identify coercivists with
        perfectly legitimate semantics---language that applies
        only to the individual as he is anatomically
        contracted. For it is, that the external ego of the
        group-soul is the capital value-determining force of
        its animal behaviour. With the human the internal ego
        of the individual-soul serves as the capital
        value-determinant, thereby allocating value and
        external behaviour.

        These views are explosive and need to be explosive, to
        give light in a very shadowy human world of very low
        conscious heights.

        Finally, the capitalist-corporate behemoth is nothing
        but a creation and appendage of the metaphoric body of
        coercivist membership. We know that these corporate
        lines of communication and control emanating from
        coercivist Government were created for the purpose of
        its own wealth aggregation, not for the purpose of
        respect for the freedom of each individual and his
        wealth. The existence of "Corporate bodies" continues
        only by the insistence of coercivist Government, and
        only under the terms and conditions exacted by the
        managers of coercivist Government. This is not a
        complex understanding. What is complex is the
        attempted interweave of phantum reality into this
        metaphoric Government body -- a weave of language that
        properly references facts that do not obtain to this
        "body": e.g. capitalism and socialism. The naked truth
        is that it is a body built upon coercion and for the
        consumption of what is aquired by coercion. This body
        eats up weakened forces of life to form bloated points
        of dim light (eg Washington, DC) that attracts all the
        leaching "flies", "bugs" and "scavenging insects"
        about. Who are the flies, bugs and scavenging insects?
        Look to those who would seek to upbuild the center of
        coercive force in society and you will be made to see.
        But we must know that in the botanic world it is the
        insect that usually attacks the weak and unhealthy
        plant. In human society that would mean that the
        strengthening of the I in ego must be nurtured by the
        mother of wisdom as represented by our Greek sires:
        Sophia.

        Coercive Government, weak? Yes it is. It attracts the
        scavenger, garbage collector. Its foundation is a mix
        of undernourishing materialism. It does not imbue the
        whole of comity with a nourishing base of spirit and
        earth for the arousal of moral sociality and
        development. Yet, the kind of base we require is one
        that renders the proverbial "points of light" spread
        over the breadth of the land and demonstrated by
        respect for each individual's demand and need for
        freedom from coercion.

        Suicide. The west is certainly in this struggle in
        which it must see clearly that in order for its soul
        to develop, potence must be perceived in the "seed"
        that will unfold, uplifting the ego within. That for
        its proper development its implantation in "real
        property" (real estate, land) must be properly
        recognized but not with coercion or invasive force
        applied against others. But with properly organized
        agencies of registration, agencies of arbitration,
        agencies of insurance, agencies of defense/security,
        agencies of education, agencies of various production,
        i.e. all forms of human agency avowedly and
        contractually defensive against any emergence of
        coercivity --- will get us to points of manifestation
        of potential, seen and not seen in that legitimate
        "seed".

        Hyphenated populations. This is another ploy of
        diversion, coercivists hold dear in their hearts. Yet
        coercivists continued in their unalloyed purity as
        unhyphenated coercivists. A coercivist is a
        coercivist. Its invention in the society of men is
        cause for the emergence of hyphenated populations and
        hyphenated reality.

        I think we need to understand alternation and
        transistion to consciously and properly transform
        important social relationships. Will the touted
        threefold concept of Anthroposophy bear the future? It
        will not while it suborns the consumption of coercion
        as a staple in the diet of the shapers and movers of
        such a society.

        Regards,
        Jud

        ---In Anthroposophy@y...., "lightsearcher1"
        <lightsearcher1@...> wrote:
        Sub: Why do the corporations feel comfortable..
        Why does the capitalist-corporate behemoth feel quite
        comfortable promoting ideas that, technically,
        threaten its existence?

        Lightsearcher1 quotes from:
        Leftist Culture: Alive and Well, by Edward Azlant
        "How can anyone who has at least one working TV set in
        the home believe in capitalist cultural hegemony?"

        ---In Anthroposophy@y...., "lightsearcher1"
        <lightsearcher1@...> quoted:
        LIBERAL DEMOCRACY'S FINAL HOUR
        by Paul Craig Roberts
        ....multiculturalism and the emergence of group rights
        based on victim status are eroding equality in law,
        freedom of conscience and free speech.
        <snip>
        Having lost its national identity to hyphenated
        populations, the United States can only respond to
        terrorism with constitutionally suspect legislation,
        which permits officials to set aside civil liberties,
        and by empowering a Department of Homeland Security to
        keep a dossier on every citizen. Only illegal
        immigrants will have privacy.



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      • DRStarman2001@aol.com
        *******Great post, lightsearcher. Ties right in, sadly, with what Steiner predicted about Sorath rising up starting in 1998 and with the prohibition of free
        Message 3 of 4 , Dec 6, 2002
          *******Great post, lightsearcher. Ties right in, sadly, with what Steiner predicted about "Sorath" rising up starting in 1998 and with the prohibition of free thinking emanating from America about the end of the 20th century. It's truly a dark future ahead, I fear.
          -Starman


          lightsearcher1@... writes:
          November 20, 2002 LIBERAL DEMOCRACY'S FINAL HOUR
          by Paul Craig Roberts
          ....multiculturalism and the emergence of group rights based on victim status are eroding equality in law, freedom of conscience and free speech. As these are the historic achievements of liberal democracy, how can the future belong to a system that is undergoing meltdown at its core? Both the United States and Europe now have crimes of opinion, a defining feature of Oceania in George Orwell's "1984."
          Americans and Europeans are subject to arrest and imprisonment for words judged offensive by the therapeutic state. This frightening departure from Western tradition is justified in the name of curtailing hate and advancing human rights.
          While the Western identity is melting down intellectually, it is being dissolved politically. The historic identities of European nationalities are being replaced
          by an abstraction. Briton, Frenchman, German, Italian, Swede, Czech, Greek, Austrian, Dane, Spaniard and Dutchman are to become "European" citizens of a new bureaucratic state created by edicts and without a history. These are not promising developments for liberal democracy.
          Differences of opinion within homogeneous nation-states have often challenged consensual government, with bitter divisions erupting in national strikes and political violence. Imagine these differences multiplied by aggregating many nationalities into one state. The politics of the European Union will have to deal not only with
          the differences of opinion within the separate nationalities, but also with the differences between the different nationalities that comprise the new superstate.
          Will not consent be more difficult to obtain, thus enhancing the scope for coercion? Will liberal democracy be the model, or will the model be bureaucratic coercion ruling through the same unaccountable edicts that are being used to create the European Union?.
          ....Liberal democracy is a creation of the nation-state and is unlikely to persist in the emerging multicultural empires. It was America's unique achievement to create a national identity out of European ethnicities. When immigration worked for America, all the incentives were for an immigrant to make himself into an American.
          Today, the incentives are for immigrants to retain the privileges of preferred minorityhood. -- A few states go so far as to grant special advantages, such as in-state tuition, to illegal immigrants. This is not a policy that promotes comity.
          What is the meaning of citizenship when the rewards to the illegal immigrant trump the penalties of his illegal presence and give him financial advantages over citizens?
          Western governments are undermining themselves by creating populations of disparate peoples with disparate rights.
          The resulting antagonisms are inconsistent with liberal democracy.
          The clash of civilizations is upon us from within our own borders. If China and Islam only bide their time, the world is theirs.
          It is not the end of history; it is the end of the West.. . . . . .
          http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/20/112806.shtml


        • SRC
          ... Why aren t we in full agreement about this? The only twist is that I see Bush & Co. leading our charge into the Abyss; they are doing the work that the
          Message 4 of 4 , Dec 6, 2002
            --- DRStarman2001@... wrote:
            > *******Great post, lightsearcher.
            > > The clash of civilizations is upon us from within our own borders.

            > > It is not the end of history; it is the end of the West.. . . . . .


            Why aren't we in full agreement about this? The only twist is that I see
            Bush & Co. leading our charge into the Abyss; they are doing the work that
            the Islamic terrorists can only dream about.

            Stephen


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