Re: Abstractions (was:Why in the West we have no right to call Islam "evil")
--- In anthroposophy@y..., DRStarman2001@a... wrote:
Now you twist around a bit StarMan ... as the whole theory is build
upon a lot of occult connections and events it can hardly be described
as "marxist materialism" ... marxists hate all these explanations...
I see them more as a "mist" ... and as it is with most things "there
is no smoke withouth a fire" ...
My impression is that there's a lot of guilt-by-association images in
it, and "images" of things really happening, on a collective
subconscious level ...
I'm still working on that one... as there is some kind of truth behind
it, but not in the consciouss manner it is described in "conspiracy
> exact opposite of what you say: civilized Westerners re-learned
> and disrespect for human life when they went into Africa and Arabia
hmmm, actually the first contacts was on quite equal levels... the
King of Portugal established diplomatic relations with the king of
Luanda, and they made a trade agrement...
Actually the possesion of gunpowder played it's own little role here,
the chinese invented it, but we came up with the idea to use it for
war... this gave a position of dominance.. which simply make nor the
europeans nor the africans worse or better, simply that we had more
"power" ... to discuss these things with sympathy-antipathy is
meaningless, I think it is very, very sad, that you as a spiritual
scientist can't look into things like this without getting into this
emotional relationship to historical events...
Many of these events have created "frosen images" ... and without the
ability to look into them without prejudices they will keep on being a
Historical events have happened and we can't go back and change them,
if it was one side doing right or wrong or another is a totally
meaningless approach.. as we use to say "all is equally big assholes
in the end" :-)
> *******You can banish the clash of civilizations with a magic wand
I'm absolutely for "cultural imperialism" when it concerns human
rights - but also with a bit more respect... That the spread of
individualism, is based more on "ethical individualism"
Let me give you an example, you once claimed that the tribal people
had no wealth.. but actually some have "cultural values" - which in
their culture has no economic value.. however a scientist travels to
the jungle, meet a medicine man, who shares his knowledge about the
medicine plants... the scientist goes back, contacts a medicinal
company and they take out patent rights on the use of this plant...
ethical individualism would be to share the economic value in thsi
with the medicine man and the people who have shared this cultural
achievement.... but here we have a "western arrogance" that has to be
dealt with... In first hand this is a ethical moral question, and the
knowledge about this may spill over to the rights sphere
Now assume the tribal people know there's economic value in patenting
their knowledge... the big catch just being that in the rights sphere
of today the fee for doing so is several thousand dollars...
The reality peasants around the world instead face is suddenly to be
claimes on paying licensemoney to companies that has patented the
seeds they have been using for several thousand years ....
Well but this of course just is whining liberalist marxist materialist
rumours and lies and God knows what.. and from others here I've
learned the profound spiritual fact, that it is just Karma and
reincarnation that has decided that a tribal medicine man and his
people share their knowledge, but don't get any share in the economic
value of it... which they could use for building schools, develop an
economy, be participants in the marketeconomy...
At least it's good to know that most anthro's have enough ethics to
behave differently... like the swede's who have a cooperation with a
village in the Dominican Republic.. the coffee from there, biodynamic
grown by a farmers cooperative, can be bought in all Sweden, and a big
part of the earnings are reinvested in the community there, a waldorf
school, a cultural center aso aso...
That's how wwe want to globalise in socialist Sweden, companero...