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  • lightsearcher1
    In the lecture excerpts below, Rudy does not * overtly * define the implicit connection he is making here between the Islam of the early portion of his
    Message 1 of 2 , Oct 4 10:46 AM
      In the lecture excerpts below, Rudy does not
      * overtly * define the implicit connection he
      is making here between the "Islam" of the
      early portion of his lecture and the furious,
      demonic rage and destructiveness he
      builds to and ends up speaking about
      at the end.....

      ....but to me the connection – and his
      intent – are MANIFEST.

      Why else would he bookend a single
      lecture with ISLAM at the start...and
      furious "Sorat-ian" rage at the
      conclusion ?


      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

      Excerpt from a lecture by Rudolf Steiner
      September 1924 / Switzerland

      From one basic way of considering this matter, there are two
      realms: the realm of NATURE – which is the realm of the Father
      (the source of the created world both spiritually and physically) –
      and the realm of the SPIRIT.

      The Mohammedan teachings do not know the structure of the
      world I have just been speaking about. They know – and can
      ONLY know – the Father.

      They know only the rigid doctrine: "There is one God, Allah, and
      none beside him, and Mohammed is his Prophet."

      From this angle, the teachings of Mohammed are the strongest
      polarity to Christianity.

      Indeed, resident in a hidden manner within the Islamic
      worldview is the will to do away with all freedom forever, the will
      to bring about a purely deterministic spiritual and social order
      that would dominate every aspect of human life, for nothing else
      is possible if you imagine the world solely in the sense of a
      Father God alone.

      A foreboding of this gave the apocalypse-writer (John) the
      feeling: The human being cannot be found, or find himself, in
      this. The human being cannot become filled through and
      through with Christ if he remains connected with the doctrine of
      the Father (alone).

      Restricted to this, the human being cannot take hold of his own
      humanness. He fails to become fully human if he is only able to
      conceive the Father God.

      In the end, the human being only becomes human by making
      Christ alive within himself and thereby gaining protection from
      the material conviction that spiritual realities are illusionary and
      vaporous epi-phenomena of purely material causes.

      Entertainment of the doctrine of the Father (alone) inescapably
      arrives at a conceptual materialism such as represented, for
      example, by Darwinism, the view that the human being arises
      from purely material causes.

      And if we regard Christianity primarily as that which accords with
      the Sun forces spiritually speaking, and such as is reflected /
      mirrored / mediated / manifested by the nine ranks of angelic
      Hierarchies, then we may identify that which OPPOSES these
      spiritual/sun forces as "anti-sun" forces or as "sun demon."

      This "sun demon" works COUNTER to the Christian principle in
      such a way that – if a human being were to succumb to the lures
      of the sun demon and his inspiration, then that same human
      being would – by his own free choice – surrender all inward
      connection to the divinity of Christ for an inward connection with
      the sub-human spiritual realms.

      The apocalyptist saw this. – He felt and saw the mighty (future)
      counter-principle of Arabism bursting in on Christianity.

      It was clear to him that, from this Arabism, everything arises that
      brings the human being close to the purely animal nature, first of
      all in his views, but gradually also in his combined impulses of
      will and action.

      And what the apocalyptist saw BEHIND the future scenes of the
      looming Mohammdan historical impulse was the sun demon at
      work, working against the sun forces, against the spiritual

      If asked, the apocalyptist would have called the representatives
      of Arabism in Europe "human beings who have willingly
      dedicated themselves to the sun demon in their souls' nature."

      Dear friends, the number 666 represented both the NAME and
      the TIME when Arabism would flow into Christianity in order to
      impress the seal of materialism upon western culture.

      The apocalyptist portrays everything that works as a
      counter-principle to Christianity – such as Arabism and its
      deterministic conceptual constructs – as direct outflow from the
      counter-spirituality represented by the sun-demon Surat.

      And, in the final analysis, everything flowing from Arabism was
      directed ultimately against a spiritual Christian understanding of
      transubstantiation. External facts certainly do not look as if this
      were the case but – by allotting validity only to the Father principle
      – to the natural world-order, the sun demon forces indeed
      intended to sweep away from human view an immediate feeling
      for that which is active in the very deepest way in a sacrament
      such as transubstantiation.

      (The great revolutions that came about in Europe as a result of
      the Crusades belong under the sign of the SECOND occurrence
      of the number 666….)

      During the first 666, dear friends, Surat was still hidden but
      actively at work within the external process of outward events; he
      was not seen in clear outward manifestation.

      Now before us [in 1924] lies the time of the third number 666:
      1998 A.D.

      At the end of this (the twentieth) century, the time will come when
      Surat will ONCE AGAIN raise his head most strongly out of the
      waves of history.

      Only two-thirds of the 20th century will have still to run before
      Surat/Sorat once again raises his head most mightily.

      Before this (twentieth) century is out, he will show himself
      through his appearance in many human beings as the one by
      whom many are "possessed."

      Human beings will appear of whom it will be impossible to
      believe that they are really human beings.

      These Surat-inspired human beings will be recognizable by their
      external appearance; in a terrible way they will not only scoff at
      everything, but will also oppose, and want to destroy, and to
      push into the abyss anything that is spiritual.

      Outwardly, they will have intense and strong dispositions, with
      savage countenances, and with furious destructiveness in their

      The intention to sweep-away anything spiritual will be
      deep-seated in large numbers of earthly souls, just as the
      apocalyptist has foreseen in the beast-like countenance, and the
      beast-like strength, that will underlie the deeds of the adversary
      over against the spiritual.

      Even today, hidden rage against spiritual things is already
      immense, yet it is still in its very early infancy in contrast to what
      is to come.

      - - - - - - - - - -

      Reader's note: Brief portions of this excerpt from original lecture
      have been clarified by close, accurate paraphrase and
      occasional re-sequencing of the original spoken sentence
      order…again, for clarity.
    • Judson Chambers
      From: VALENTINA BRUNETTI Dear List, Is it the equation 666=Islam true ? Not at all. ****By the by, I found the references to Islam most
      Message 2 of 2 , Oct 6 8:51 PM
        From: "VALENTINA BRUNETTI" <okcgbr@...>
        Dear List,

        Is it the equation 666=Islam true ? Not at all.

        ****By the by, I found the references to "Islam" most
        helpful and I'd like to give another take on the "666"
        business for a little clarity that leads to the
        affirmative for your question "Is it True" as cited

        In the Greek Gematria system and most likely the
        Egyptian Gematria system, 666 is the numeric value of
        the material sun. Therefore, this direction of
        reverence but only for the "Father" exhibited by
        anyone, including the Islamic outlook, bears upon a
        materialistic view upon the whole of all worlds. For
        it exhibits a disrespect and disinterest for the
        "Mother", who by the way grows out of the being of the
        pre-earthly "Father", through which the divine "Son"
        rises. Biblically, the process is referenced in the
        creation of "heaven and earth" wherein the "Father" is
        buried in the malic material earth to be resurrected
        by the power inherent in the soul of the Son, Jesus
        with the "spirate" wisdom of the "Mother", just as the
        parable is to assist our understanding of the
        resurrected father, "L'Osiris" or Lazarus.

        The love of wisdom seems to be the approach to the
        "Mother": Sophia (or as the Greeks named her the
        "twice is": ISIS, the Egyptian Whaset. The great
        wisdom of the Egyptians and the Greeks is reflected in
        their management of the images of the word, to wit the
        fact that the name of the "spiritual sun" is 888. A
        wonderful overview of the gematria is shown in the
        compilation by David Fideler, "Jesus Christ, Sun of

        These factors conspire to a fuller realization of
        cosmic truth, that the experience of spirit through
        material being is expressed in mirror thought by the
        union of "666" (=18 =9) with "888" (=24 =6) resulting
        in the heretofore mysterious relationship of "69"
        (spirit and matter in union).

        In closing it appears that the materialism of Islam is
        reflected in the treatment of women in general. (It is
        also signalled in the birth of Ishmael not from the
        Cosmic Mother (personified by Sarah) but by a woman
        apart from the Spiritual Mother. And of course in the
        malaise of evolutionary Western culture, we see
        mistreatment as well, however underlying the Christian
        outlook there is an ever-coming and greater spiritual
        appreciation and respect for the woman and the Cosmic

        Jud (anthroposophy@...)

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