Thank you for your thoughtful response, and I hope others respond to
"finding the truth in the world." I suppose "esotericist" could be
defined as both the initiate, or the student/practitioner on the
esoteric path. But by your definition, mastering Knowledge of the
Higher Worlds, and functioning (consciously) in both the spiritual
and material worlds, yes, these are daunting ideals of which we will
fall short. But in the absence of any high initiates (there are none
in my immediate vicinity... a few false prophets are accessible) it
falls upon us to summon many answers in response to what the times
are demanding, it falls upon our shoulders. And we should not
underestimate (nor overvalue) ourselves or one another.
I understand that the Being we call Christ can be experienced or
understood differently depending on the beliefs of the individual,
and there could be better words and terms than "evil." If regressive
entities are clever and intelligent, the flip side of that coin is
also obvious, the gross stupidity of evil. It may be these
regressives more often than not use and manipulate human
intelligence, part and parcel of Ahriman's godly intelligence, since
they really lack any creative capacities
Accepting the teaching of the coming incarnation of the Anti-Christ,
Ahriman or Satan (many AP's do not accept this easily or at all),
also on the basis of the increasing tensions and "eighth sphere"
phenomena of our time, my understanding is that it would occur in the
predominant world culture, which is Anglo-American (careful here!-
predominant doesn't mean superior). Lucifer incarnated during the
predominant world culture of ancient China, and the Incarnation of
the Being called Christ occurred during the time of Rome. I didn't
mean to assert as an undeniable fact that Ahriman's incarnation will
occur in the western US between 2012 and 2033, but that it was my
educated guess. We all should look in our back yards and make
educated guesses so that these events are not passed by with
insufficient consciousness, yes? It seems probable that this actual
incarnation would or will occur in the west, near Mexico or the areas
of prehistoric America, old evil stomping grounds, but would, as you
indicated, effect or have effects on the entire world consciousness.
My reasoning is that the year 2033 is 100 years past 1933, and is
also related to the year 33. The ancient Maya calendar I believe ends
at the year 2012, which could signal the end of an era, the start of
an unprecedented period of time.
The causative factor, or higher truths, may be simpler than we
suppose in our world of endless effects. You can really form an idea
of this in reading Walter Russell. John says in Revelation that God
has permitted "evil" to overrun the world for a time, to a purpose.
RS has said that evil has a mission. The evil have spoken of their
sense of mission.
Finally, in the area of the southwest US, the initial A-bomb was
developed and set-off at "Trinity," so this location, which I have
dubbed "Laodicea" in the past, has to be very significant. Russia set
off untold numbers of A and other bombs in the 1950's all over the
country, so imagine how many regressives were let loose there,
legions, enough to drive a poet mad.
This is slightly off the subject - the real Trinity. It isn't trivial
to compare the Trinity with the human family: father, son, daughter,
mother (wife first, and perhaps in this sense most related to the
Holy Spirit). There is nothing trivial about the human family.
In regard to these dark subjects, I was really responding to the
email on Andreev's book, Rose of the World, and should not like to
dwell too long on these matters. I wanted to offer what my thoughts
have been. While I would like to make contributions from time to
time, and am certainly learning much that is new, I have no time or
energy for arguments or mental gymnastics (such as with Joel). Life
is beautiful without SOP and G; without the AS in Dornach. I would
like to read more Cayce and the Screwtape Letters.
--- In anthroposophy@y..., "jla" <pacbay@a...> wrote:
> Well put below. The only caveat may be "we have an obligation at
all times to apply what esoteric knowledge or experience we have
acquired to what is happening here and now". The problem is that as
far as I can see no one in the public arena stands forth as a genuine
esotericist. We may have many intuitions, have studied much and had
seminal experiences but that does not make one an esotericist- only a
student and practioner of the path.
> If the concept is to be understand, a esotericist would be one who
at least accomplished all that is mentioned in Knowledge of Higher
Worlds and can function in both worlds- material and spiritual and
much more. It's a rather daunting ideal.
> It is clear that AP (and The Rosicrucian Path) takes a clear and
unbending stand concerning the Christ and Its role in history; the
purpose of evolution, future conditions of the earth and humanity,
etc. but present concepts may be lacking and we are at the very
beginning stages of articulation of these things.
> If one is experiencing and manifesting altruism and spiritual
love but is a Jew or Buddhist does that mean that they are not really
connected to the Christ and there a different source of love? Does
one have to actually acknowledge the Christ to be a good person in
all respects? Many would say otherwise and maybe the spiritual worlds
do also. Many near death experiencers who were atheists, Catholics,
Jews, Hindus, or agnostics had their beliefs shattered when they had
a direct experience of the life after death and Beings there -
especially the Lord of Light. Some who were not Christians knew this
Being but could call it "the Christ" or Jesus. Others did. It is also
clear that the "mystic path" and transitional path works quite well
for many who cannot or will not take on the deeper commitment of
esoteric Christianity or other esoteric ways. And this is why there
must be a variety of efforts in world to awaken people to the
invisible life around us. And each method must be examined and not
just accepted as a blessing of TV or movie land. Many mistakes and
misconceptions sneak in and may be the work of nefarious beings. A
good idea can be turned around easily as a peak into next world
becomes tinged with fear as with the 6th Sense or Jacobs Ladder.
> We have a picture of possible events involving the regressive
Beings in the near future from RS but there are also other sources
who speak of the future, and even though they may not be "initiate"
sources, they can often be dead on as with Cayce (though his timing
was off at times). The point is: knowledge is based on a common
understanding and perception of the same phenomena. If only one or
two people have access, there is a basic problem with "science and
> In addition, available sources and common sense would say that the
beings of regression (I feel this is better suited language than
demons, Satan, or evil which are relative to culture and systems of
beliefs) are very clever and ingenious. This is clear from Hollywood-
land to the manipulation of political and social movements in the
recent past and present. The is a great book by Sinclair Lewis called
the Screwtape Letters. It is a dairy of sorts from the "Adversary" as
to what methods he uses to dupe and manipulate humanity. Though a
satire of sorts, it also very insightful and strangely right on. Mark
Twain also wrote a similar book.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: studioeditions2002
> To: anthroposophy@y...
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:02 AM
> Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: Phenomenon source: aliens & U.F.O's
> There are no theories referred to here, but reference and
> to observable phenomena. We have an obligation at all times to
> what esoteric knowledge or experience we have acquired to what is
> happening in the here and now. What we have in our time is an
> escalation in tension between the forces of Christ and Anti-
> We cannot precisely rely on what was given in the early 20th
> the time to fall back on teachers, authorities and books ceases
> some point and we must assess independently what is happening in
> contemporary world and think and act accordingly. Much is very
> unpleasant, even ridiculous-sounding (so were the ovens in WWII,
> discovered after the fact), but that is the Nature of the Anti-
> Christ. Evil is not creative or original or very clever and at
> is so obvious and stupid as to be unbelievable. It's not very
> difficult after all: Christ or not or the opposite? Does Christ
> within the heart of John Edwards, or is Christ awakening in that
> heart? It is Christ in the etheric world who makes possible what
> Edwards is accomplishing. Right in the here and now, the
> "entertainment industry" and off-shoots have discovered the
> are not dead after all. It's opening yet more floodgates.
> In regard to other issues occurring within this discussion group:
> is better not to write about an individual in a publication
> the point can always be made, and better made, without causing
> enormous suffering to an individual and his followers. Why write
> book pointedly about someone's flaws or failures? Something is
> clearly wrong in the motivation to this approach even though
> may be truth in it. Have understanding and tolerance as to the
> someone is at... They are talking about Love at the Ark group...
> is the Christ Who can help us to love the person and understand
> stage they are at; to have tolerance. I was once awed by
> such as the "Class Reader," and would have avoided a book on the
> of that authority. I may have once been awed by the AP "star."
> learn better, fortunately. As to the happenings in the AP
> they are thoughtless, careless, dangerous or corrupt, just don't
> them your money or support. This seems to be a sinking boat,
> if it hasn't already gone under. Just accept and go on. Perhaps
> Stanley Messenger has said about RS is correct: he'd presently
> to be free of AP and the Society
> and go on....
> --- In anthroposophy@y..., "jla" <pacbay@a...> wrote:
> > I continue to warn APs and others on the spiritual journey not
> assume, project or mix theories in these areas. As I pointed out
> the Andreev book, the similarities end quickly between his
> descriptions of sub humans and grays. The gray levitation ability
> limited and infrequent by the way. Its a hyper etheric force it
> but not strong enough to propel them through space.
> > .
> > There is an incredible knowledge gap between certain paranormal
> phenomena and esotericism at present and early 20th century
> may be outdated or not sufficient to the task. Whether for right
> wrong reasons, one field is out pacing the other at least in the
> public arena.
> > Case in point: John Edward and Crossing Over show on Fox and
> Sci-Fi channel. Is he a medium and as such and promoting false
> psychic ideas? Hardly. His vague perceptual abilities are often
> highly accurate concerning information and facts between the dead
> the living. Some may say that he is being "used" by the dark
> to promote a spiritualistic form of work; and on the other hand
> may be of great use and value and is the best we have now in
> the gap between the living and the dead. He is not "materializing
> dead" but trying to create a bridge of awareness between the
> and the dead. Ahriman's work and appearance may also be in the
> of various forms of social and spiritual phenomena that he may
> have anything to do with directly.
> > Jeff
> > I haven't read the book by Andreev but appreciate the post
> > much clear from it... [I hope I am not repeating what may
> > discussed earlier by this group.] I did read two books by
> > O'Brien titled The Mysterious Valley and Enter the Valley, in
> > the author attempts to make sense of the cattle mutilations
> > peculiar phenomena in the area of the San Luis Valley, which
> > south & central Colorado, although he does not seem to be a
> > or an esoteric Christian. These mutilations are not peculiar
> > area, but have occurred very frequently there. The cattle are
> > with the reproductive systems having been rapidly bored out
> > removed, as though with lasers. It has not occurred only with
> > humans, including a teen-aged girl, have been found in this
> > condition. There is also peculiar light phenomena, and
> > "military" phenomena, such as hovering, noiseless and
> > helicopters, always yellow. All of these phenomena would seem
> > in preparation for Ahriman's incarnation in the west, and my
> > educated guess is that this will occur between 2012 and 2033,
> > 2033 a very significant year, in the western US. RS has said
> > Ahriman wants to take over or tear out the instinctual or
> > reproductive life of human beings and use it; this ties in
> > is said about Andreev's visions in the post. South-central
> > is close to Trinity, which might be described as a hole
> > the surface of the Earth by the backward Archai or Asuras,
> > pit out of which the demonic, Ahrimanic beings have emerged
> > Earth's surface. I do believe that very dark forces are
> > secretly at work in Phoenix, Arizona, based on a brief but
> > unmistakable encounter with a satanic personality there.
> > O'Brien has recently connected these dark enterprises,
> > with Meso-American practices of human sacrifices.
> > Some of the UFO-based beings are not altogether evil or dark,
> > apparently "friendly."
> > RS said that Ahriman in his incarnation would be a great magi
> > magician, working wonders, and this "magic" can be seen in
> > phenomena (not to mention computers), such as the UFO
> > three police departments independently in the northern
> > UFO seen was described as being the size of a football field.
> > all of this satanic magic, humanity can wrest much for his
> > further development, including, apparently, secrets of
> > spacecraft, levitation and the capacity for materialization
> > materialization, as well as the computer marvels.
> > Obviously, Osama Bin Laden is an instrument of Ahriman, and
> > expressly that his hope is to generate as much fear as
> > Americans, and others, such as Israeli's, at this time.
> > on this type of fear and anxiety. All of this is preparation.
> > I hope this contribution is helpful.
> > Cordially,
> > Martha
> > --- In anthroposophy@y..., DRStarman2001@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:11:32 PM Eastern
> > Time, pacbay@a... writes:
> > >
> > > > I have just re-read this post with some interest and
> > the beings mentioned actually "live" -certainly not in the
> subways of
> > New York....
> > >
> > > *******Same place leprechauns do, I'd say.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In addition, the proposition that they may indeed be the
> > mentioned as the "grays" in UFO literature is enticing but
> > not be same. In all reports both public and governmental,
> > gray beings do not talk!. In fact they barely have slits for
> > from drawings and descriptions. All communications are done
> > telepathically and in the earth language appropriate to the
> > They also do not walk normally but have some energetic method
> > moving or hovering off the ground at times. In addition, one
> > issues in their visitations is procreation. They cannot
> > longer and have mastered genetic and artificial womb
> > according to most reports. One of the reasons that they are
> > to solve this dilemma through the use of human
> > > > fertility.
> > >
> > > *******Beings that hover, communicate by telepathy and
> > reproduce sexually sound an awful lot like angels, don't
> > fallen angels---don't you think?
> > > And why would levitating beings travel in space ships?
> > >
> > > -starman
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