Re: [anthroposophy] Dr. Starman & Andreev on "abductions"
- In a message dated Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:05:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, william.turgeon@... writes:
> (My first post to this list.)******I'd say, from experience in these realms, that his power of vision was similar to Swedenborg's. The tricky thing for so many is distinguishing correctly between the physical and the non-physical, especially when beings can shift from one to the other.
> I have long appreciated Dr. Starman's
> clear and direct descriptions of the
> actual basis of "U.F.O.'s" and the
> "abductee" social/mass phenomenon.
> Hoping that I am not repeating any
> prior posting on the following, I'd like
> to share the contents of one section
> from the book, "The Rose of the World,"
> is by a Russian seer of the 1950's
> (now dead), named Daniel Andreev. --
> His manuscript was written in the
> 1950's and hidden from the Soviets.
> (It has been published in English
> by Lindisfarne/Anthroposophic Press.)
> The book is a complete -- and therefore
> very detailed -- "encyclopedic cosmology"
> or description of ALL the levels and realms
> of the created physical/spiritual realms
> around us, as Andreev saw these in his
> sequence of majestic visions of the structure
> of the "inner planes."
> And ("warning")...he cites MANY very odd and
> weird names of many unusual things which he
> apparently experienced.
> He spiritually foresaw and accurately (I do
> believe) described the true source of the
> UFO/"aliens" phenomenon and its
> * dark * source and inspiration.
Swedenborg, for instance, described beings on the Moon, which he apparently thought very physical, who communicated by expelling gases from themselves... which prompted a rather down-to-earth friend of mine to remark drily, "Oh, you mean, they farticulate."
> ANDREEV's terminology:
> GAGTUNGR -- the "powerful-est" head
> of the dark realms.
> "ENROF" the physical plane of
> our Earthly existence.
> IGVA's the grey-type spirit beings
> taken by our culture (mistakenly) to
> be "aliens"
> Note: Andreev states that these dark
> spiritual beings, esp. the IGVA's,
> reside spiritually/invertedly below
> the earth (spiritually) standing upside
> down to us but using the same "ground."
> WITZRAORS The shadow beings
> fed by of our darker mass/social/political
> passions. These are Masters of over the
> IGVA's (grey beings) BUT are
> servant-slaves of the "ultimate dude"
> The rest of the odd words won't
> prohibit informed reading, so these
> can be ignored for now.
> BELOW is what he wrote in the 1950's.
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> [EXCERPTS from:
> "The Rose of the World,"
> by Daniel Andreev
> (Info on book at BOTTOM)
> As you read, measure the following
> against all you know about the
> common characteristics of what is
> reported in "U.F.O. encounters"
> and "abduction experiences."
> * * *
> Andreev states....
> "ANTI-humankind" (the Satanic sub-types
> standing in opposition to humanity)
> basically consists of TWO very different
> races or species.
> The principal race is composed of small
> but highly intelligent beings (the IGVA's)
> that proceed through a circle of
> reincarnations in the shrastrs, where
> they assume a four-dimensional form
> somewhat reminiscent of ours.
> The inhabitants have upper and lower
> pairs of limbs, though they have a
> different number of fingers and toes
> than we do.
> Their stalked red eyes, bulging
> cylindrical heads, mouse-gray skin,
> and puckered, tube-like mouth might
> evoke disgust in humans.
> But they are beings of keen intellect
> and the builders of a civilization that in
> certain respects is more advanced
> than ours.
> They are called IGVA's.
> But I do not have a very clear notion of
> the actual origin of the igvas -- we are
> dealing here with concepts so strange
> that they lie beyond the grasp of our
> Thus, although no human monads are
> demonic by nature, it sometimes
> happensalbeit very seldomthat a
> person will at some point in his or her
> journey voluntarily become an igva.
> To do so requires a strong desire,
> tremendous clarity of mind, and
> singular ability in specific areas.
> The igvas have a unisyllabic
> oral language.
> The human language it most closely
> resembles phonetically is probably
> Chinese, but because of the tube-like
> shape of the igvas' mouths, vowel
> sounds like "o," "u," and "u"
> The igvas sometimes wear clothes,
> but they more often go about naked.
> Their extreme intellectualism has
> completely sterilized their sex life.
> Their method of procreation
> resembles the human method,
> but it is more unsightly.
> They copulate almost on the run,
> without feeling any need for privacy,
> for they have no feeling of shame.
> Their feelings of love, affection, and
> pity have remained in the embryonic
> Brief unions take the place of families,
> and children are raised in minutely
> equipped and scrupulously
> systematized educational institutions.
> Theirs is a slave-based society.
> It is composed of two classes: the upper
> intelligentsia which includes scientists,
> engineers, clergy, and, if such a word
> can be used, administrators and the
> subservient majority, who act only on the
> directions of the leadership.
> Yet even the leadership is strictly
> subordinate to the will of the so-called
> grand igvas (a kind of succession of
> high priests/ emperors) and the
> monsters of the neighboring
> planethe Witzraors.
> The grand igvas are virtually the
> absolute rulers in every shrastr.
> A shrastr is neither a monarchy
> nor, of course, a theocracy; it is
> a SATAN-OCRACY.
> Successors are systematically selected
> and prepared over the course of decades
> with astonishing forethought.
> The grand igvas' clarity of mind is
> immense, though they have an
> invertedthat is, demonic conception
> of the world.
> They can see as far down as the
> anti-cosmos of the Universe.
> They are constantly being energized
> by Gagtungr himself.
> It would be incorrect to say that
> the equivalent of our science and
> technology can be found in the shrastrs.
> Rather, it is our science and technology
> that are the equivalent of the igvas'.
> The different conditions and natural laws
> on that plane have dictated a scientific
> approach different from ours, but our
> scientific research methods and
> technological principles are very similar.
> Having far outstripped us in the field, they
> have knowledge of techniques and
> methods that smack of magic and that
> would seem like sorcery to many of us.
> But they also apply the principles of the
> screw, the wheel, and the rocket engine.
> They have vessels for traveling on the
> lakes of infralava.
> Ridiculous as it may seem, scheduled
> flights between shrastrs have long been
> in operation, and even hiking is
> popularfor exploration, not aesthetic,
> purposes, of course.
> Aviation is also advanced, though the
> igvas themselves can fly at great speeds,
> often hovering upside-down and
> clinging like flies to the ceilings and
> walls of buildings.
> Science has allowed the igvas to
> penetrate to the Earth's surface as well.
> The surface is as lifeless and desolate
> on their infraphysical plane as the Moon's
> surface is on ours.
> Since the shrastr sakwala does not extend
> beyond the limits of our solar system,
> there are no stars in the sky. But the igvas
> have seen the planets and the Sun, though
> to them they look very different.
> The temperature in the shrastrs is very
> high (it would be unbearable for us) and
> therefore the Sun, which appears to the
> igvas as a pale infrared spot, emits far
> from sufficient heat for them.
> In spite of all the protective measures taken
> against the cold, the igva explorers suffered
> horribly on the Earth's surface, which is
> just as inhospitable for them as Antarctica
> is for us.
> They do have the prospect, however, of
> settling the surface of the planet, and not
> on their own plane, but on ours.
> Their scientific instruments have already
> registered echoes of Enrof.
> It is possible, even almost inevitable, that
> in time they will make their presence
> known to us, and exchanges and
> contact will arise.
> In that way, they will of course try to
> manipulate humanity, for their most
> cherished hope, the dream that binds
> them, is to expand their realm, with the
> help of the Witzraors and Gagtungr, to
> include all the planes of Shadanakar.
> What is envisioned is the great Antigod
> of the future, who is being readied in
> Gashsharva for birth as a human in
> the not too distant future, and who
> will produce a pair of half-people,
> half-igvas in Enrof.
> They will be the origin of the igva race
> on our plane.
> Multiplying like flies, they are gradually to
> replace people, turning the Earth's surface
> into the abode of satano-humankind.
> All of them, except some of the grand igvas,
> have an inverted view of God as a universal
> tyrant more terrible than Gagtungr. Christ,
> Who they hear of from the grand igvas,
> takes the place in their minds of the
> Antichrist a violent and very dangerous
> Generally speaking, everything is turned
> on its head. It is therefore natural that
> their religion primarily consists of ecstatic
> demon worship, radiations of which rise
> up to Gagtungr.
> Do not think that the igvas' civilization is
> limited to science and technology. It also
> possesses some art forms.
> But the rational cast of the igvas' mind
> and their sterile emotional life have
> impeded the development of art. In
> conjunction with the overall
> grotesqueness of their tastes, all
> this has led their art down paths
> on which our aesthetic standards
> are not applicable.
> The powers of Light in Fongaranda
> needed to greatly intensify their
> inspiration of peoples' creative
> subconscious in order to keep
> human architecture from succumbing
> to the emanations rising out of the
> shrastrs and from turning the cities
> of Enrof into pitiful imitations of the
> igvas' stereometrical cities.
> Music, predominantly percussion,
> blares in these cities as well.
> To our ears, it would sound like
> cacophony, but it does sometimes
> achieve rhythmic melodies capable
> of mesmerizing some of us, too.
> Dance plays an even bigger role in
> the life of the igvas, if we can speak of
> their appalling bacchanalias as dance.
> And their demon worship, which
> combines stunning light effects, the
> deafening roar of enormous
> instruments, and ecstatic flights
> of dance in four-dimensional space,
> turns into mass frenzies that attract
> angels of darkness.
> The energy radiated from it is imbibed
> by Gagtungr himself.
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> Now for the darker SHADOW
> dudes (WITZRAORS)
> (quoting )
> Witzraors can see Enrof dimly, and
> they see our people and landscapes
> hazily and distortedly, but they love
> our world with a burning, unsatiable
> They would like to incarnate here,
> but they cannot.
> They can see Gagtungr clearly and
> tremble before him like slaves.
> In their ignorance they consider the
> grand igvas mere agents of their will.
> In reality, the grand igvas see farther
> and deeper and know more than the
> Witzraors, and they endeavor to
> manipulate the Witzraors' greed,
> belligerence, and power in the
> interests of antihumankind.
> How do the Witzraors replenish
> their energy?
> The mechanics of the process
> is difficult to explain.
> A Witzraor radiates a singular kind
> of psychic energy that penetrates
> into Enrof in huge quantities.
> Absorbed by the human subconscious,
> it manifests itself in human affairs as
> the spectrum of nationalist-state sentiments.
> Veneration of one's government
> (not of one's people or homeland,
> but of the government and its power),
> the identification of oneself as a
> participant in the grandiose life of
> the state, the worship of kings or
> leaders, a burning hatred for the
> enemy, pride in the material wealth
> and conquests of one's state,
> nationalism, belligerency, blood
> thirstiness, jingoismall those
> feelings that enter into the range of
> human consciousness can only grow,
> swell, and hypertrophize thanks to the
> Witzraor's energy.
> But at the same time, human psyches,
> in a manner of speaking, enrich those
> discharges of energy with their own
> distinct additives.
> A unique mass psychic radiation of
> dual nature and reverse impetus results.
> It sinks through the Earth's crust,
> penetrates to the neighboring
> infraplanes, and forms a slimy
> red dew on the shrastr's soil.
> The igvas harvest it for the Witzraors
> that is their chief duty in relation to
> themand help themselves to
> the leftovers.
> Making do on a vegetarian diet is
> not only wearisome for them, but
> it also does not keep them from
> It is entirely possible that I have
> oversimplified or misrepresented
> the mechanics of the process.
> But its essence Witzraors feeding
> off the psychic-radiations of the masses,
> radiations specifically connected with
> human emotions directed toward the
> state is not only a very real fact,
> but it is also the source of untold
> [END of quote from Andreev's
> "The Rose of the World."
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> "Rose of the World" shown here:
> (haven't checked currency of the above
> links since about Feb. 2002)
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> DRStarman2001@a... wrote
> (Re: UFO,Media and the "Public Imagination"):
> The materialistic mind cannot think of spiritual beings in their
> reality but CAN think of earth-like worlds peopled with earthly
> bodies only, travelling in material ships. To encourage people to
> continue thinking that travel to other worlds is not done by leaving
> or transcending the body (as it is) but can be done by
> untransformed earth-men is the goal of the Ahrimanic deception;
> this will keep science going in the direction of materialism it
> wants and keep people from looking inward. All the science
> fiction they instill into sleeping human beings portrays people
> with no higher consciousness able to travel to other stars, rather
> than having to change the consciousness to do so.
> > In the 1930s people began to see into the etheric world. The
> "critters" or elementals with animal-like awareness started
> becoming visible. The fallen elementals under Ahriman's control
> then began temporarily transforming some of these into the
> fictional space vehicles, using imaginations plucked from our
> subconscious, and the work of making sure these images only
> would be interpreted materialistically began.
> > Note, for instance, how in US films there was not a single
> movie depicting beings from other planets before about 1948,
> and look at how fast this captured the public's imagination.
> Within a few years it was a constant theme, replacing the
> numerous 'angel' movies of the '30s and '40s that portrayed a
> positive interaction of heavenly beings with us, including an
> afterlife. Goebbels would be proud of such a propaganda
> campaign to allow only one interpretation of the phenomena.
> > The work of Reich and Constable uncovering the truth has
> been carefully sequestered, and what should be a tip-off to the
> existence of the ethers is instead used to reinforce the very
> materialistic science we must overcome with new thinking
> the etheric brain now that Kali Yuga has ended. And the very
> people who think they are imagining wonderful things beyond
> science, are fooled into repeating the same brain-bound
> concepts. Quite an accomplishment, but "the boys downstairs"
> have had lots of practice, then, haven't they?
> > Dr. Starman