Fwd: what Saacke is talking about
- --- Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...> wrote:
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:54:50 -0700 (PDT)__________________________________________________
> From: Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...>
> Subject: what Saacke is talking about
> To: anthroposophy@...
> June 29, 2002
> To Gary Pighetti:
> I apologize for taking so long to reply. I get very
> time online, and I can't compose a reply and upload it to
> the mail program. So these remarks must be much briefer
> than they might be otherwise.
> I read German very poorly, so I couldn't translate
> web pages any better than does Babelfish. I have only
> distant relations with the Anth. Society, and very much
> what has, and does, transpire therein is quite mysterious
> to me.
> Around 1960-63 Rudolf Saacke asked the simple question:
> *When did the Anthroposophical Society founded by Rudolf
> Steiner on Christmas 1923 have its subsequent meetings?*
> As Saacke looked into this question, it became apparent
> him that the answer was: *Never!* Amazingly, the
> organization that calls itself the "General
> Anthroposophical Society" ("Algemeine Anthroposophische
> Gesellschaft"; "AAG") is not the same as the the
> "Anthroposophische Gesellschaft" ("AG") founded by
> in 1923. The AAG is really a transformed Building
> Association that held and built the Goetheanum. (This is
> very, very simplified summation of events and a situation
> that are incredibly complicated and confused, and
> In 1963 Saacke was expelled from the AAG with no reason
> given ("ohne Angabe von Gruenden"). But he kept after
> matter, and over the years more and more Anthros became
> aware of the situation and asked for reform. Thus: the
> "Constitutional Question". For a long time the Society
> leadership did not admit that a problem existed.
> a few years ago a "working group" was formed in Dornach
> study the question. This group included some members of
> the reform party, but not Saacke.
> Suddenly, in March of this year, the Vorstand announced
> intention to dissolve the AAG and absorb it into the
> dormant AG, and then register the AG as a Swiss
> corporation. (This is only my weak grasp of the
> the details are still not clear to me.) Some people see
> this development as a big forward step, but Saacke does
> not. As I understand him, he does not regard it as any
> solution to the underlying problem, but as only another
> obfuscation. So, I forwarded his newsletters as needed
> info for Anthros who should be concerned with developing
> events, while they are still fluid.
> Why is all this important? -- When I first became aware
> the Constitutional Question, I viewed it a legalistic
> hair-splitting. But not any more; the healthy structure,
> or the malformation, of the Society has implications for
> the development of Anthroposophy on Planet Earth. And
> apparently Steiner himself considered the organization of
> the Society to be an important matter: so much so that
> 1923 he "joined his karma" to the Society's karma and
> attempted to reorganize it into a fit vehicle for the
> Anthroposophical Movement on Earth. But his illness and
> death intervened before his plans could be put into
> For whatever reason, his successors botched the
> reorganization, and I believe that this malformation had,
> and has, much to do with tortured history and failures of
> the Society.
> Not the least of the consequences of this malformation is
> that the Vorstand can expel a member for any reason, or
> reason. You can find some of Sune Nordwall's more
> considerations on his website. I don't have the complete
> URLs, but you can email him at
> He understands English very well.
> Rudolf Saacke has a book in German, *Die Formfrage und
> innere Opposition gegen Rudolf Steiner*. He also has
> Graham Rickett's English translation of the text, but has
> not yet, as far as I know, published the English version.
> If you are interested, you might query him at
> He understands English tolerably well, if one keeps it
> simple. His old website
> has many English pages, not all necessarily directly
> concerned with the Constitutional Question.
> The Anthros-Views mailing list has had some discussion of
> these questions, both the recent developments and the
> deeper background. (A big discussion in the Summer of
> 2000, I believe.) If you send the message *help* to
> you can find the commands that will allow you to search
> download their archives.
> You can find some old essays on these questions at
> And, if you are really, really interested, I might be
> to dig up some of my old screeds and send them to you, if
> you are willing to wait a few weeks, or longer.
> Robert Mason
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