Re: Rép. : [anthroposophy] Re: The Cup or the Sword
>>Now please don't think I'm grilling you, my friend,
it's just that you are the only one who has yet braved
to answer these very difficult questions.
Could I ask you one more thing? As difficult as
it may be, try to be Real in your answer here, rather
>Well, if Ideas are not real, if it is not Ideas that I seeeverywhere, well well...Am I not an objective realisticmyself?Mere ideation isn't real until it falls into the experientialand feeling realms. Ideas are the map but not the territory.The 'idea' of fasting forty days in the wilderness is not thesame as actually doing it. The 'Idea' that Dr. Faust had abouthis own divinity was quite different than the 'Reality' of it.This was one of Goethe's primary points in his masterpiece.Such deviance from Reality is a major pathology of improperlydone ritual magic and or psychotropic drugs. (Ask ol' Adolph)
Where are we falling now suddenly...
I thought first you made me a compliment...
The Real? My God... I never suspected
that we may be so different in that regard
Br. Ron, you simply make me fall out of my chair.
I'm in fact sadden at such utterance of you.
See for me the Nature of Reality is the Manifestation ifIdeas, may it be mineralized
sense perceptible, spiritually clairvoyant
perceptible, Imagination, Inspiration or Intuition.Danny, you are feeling insulted when no insult was there.The tension between the Real and the Ideal are wellknown to the Rosicrucian masters and this dichotomy existsin all of us. Goethe's 'Faust' deals with little else.You mentioned 'The Kybalion' earlier. This little bookis loaded with hidden keys pointing toward genuine initiation,...not the least of which is it's suggestion for studentsto explore 'Zanoni,' that monument of thought written byRichard Wagner's mentor Lord Bulwer Lytton. Zanoni is availablethrough the Anthroposophic Press and deals almost exclusivelywith these dynamics existing between the Ideal and the Real.So in asking you to look through the Real, I wasn't suggestingthat you live in la la land'..I was just asking you, for the sakeof my question, to look through that aspect of yourself.LoveBr. Ron