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- Since yesterday when I heard of the Goat and Spider DNA union I have been
troubled, as I get troubled when I hear some of the directions science
takes. I wish to add some confusion to the confusion, because thoughts like
these make me wonder and I need some help figuring out some of this stuff. I
certainly see that with greater extension of our knowledge and moral
understanding we could very well commence unfolding the supervision, as
angelic thinking, of the lower kingdoms... Or are we mature enough for these
Suppose we take an Egyptian and Steinerian view that the Group Souls of
animals, with specific capacities and features, that their egos are not on
the earthly plane but in the higher astral worlds. Suppose, without Native
American integrity of asking the Group Souls, preparing them, that we are
now going to start mingling the various Group Soul fields.
We shall place the mouse DNA with the Human Ear DNA in and commence
We shall place the Spider DNA with the Goat DNA and commence intercourse.
We shall make a new entity called a Geep, which carries sheep and Goat
archetypes and we shall command this new species and call it Man's New
Atlantis, (after Francis Bacon Nova Atlantis). Oh there is a list, like
fireflys and Tomatoe plants, mostly called Frankenscience and Frankenfoods.
But what footing shall we take or are we on with our moral invasions of
these archetypes? So let me proceed to confuse you.
As the higher I Am found itself in the surrounding reaches of the astral
world during their Initiations in the ancient Egyptian epoch; the famous
coffin or three day temple sleeps, there they met these animal Archetypes
which can be plainly studied in Egyptian lore. Here we see an amazing bridge
confirming the connection between the 3rd epoch and our present 5th epoch.
(Post Atlantean). We confirm our unconscious connection to forming astral
intercourse with Group Soul Beings.
There in the mighty imaginations of the astral world the ego of Man found
that the godhead, carried the form of a Man or Ego force and the latent
capacities spread out in the animal world on earth, were only reflections of
the capacities and sense enhanced contributions that were in the human
being, but were also gifted into the various animal kingdoms. Hawks, Eagles,
Dog headed gods, the lower threshold of the combined sense perception was a
three headed dog Cerebus. There are a whole array of divine Beings who must
wonder, if we undestand how the cosmic forces, the astral worlds and Man are
truly made. What effect does chipping away at the cosmic Group fields, below
man, have on the body of the human being? It is a bit like pulling the chair
out from under us, as the kingdom below us is the animal world. Are we so
secure in our Form structure and mature in our moral grasp of the animal
kingdoms that we can begin changing their directives and creating our own
New Atlantean consumer driven nature?
The Goat in the Greek mythology, even as Capricorn, was not just a goat idea
but the hind legs of the goat were not hind legs they were fins. It meant
that in the Goat, the forces of water could climb to the highest
mountains... clouds and Goats and fall into the lakes and rivers. Steiner
circled the sound L.. as in Lady of the Lake, as in Liquid, as in EL in
Michael... in the knees and eyesight of man as goat contributions. In Luna
and the tides.. in the crusty, tough and rugged state of balance in the
heights and the horns.. the famous horns. The stubborn goat like butting and
cracking of skulls and those wonderful horns.
The satyr- often Satyr Greek Mythology. A woodland creature depicted as
having the pointed ears, legs, and short horns of a goat and a fondness for
unrestrained revelry. Pan and his pipes and music.
Between Pan and Apollo we understand the language of nature and science and
the imitation of the music of the spheres in nature and the laws of the
Logos in Apollo. Humanity is beginning to hear a Pan like music in science
and has begun to weave new themes into the formal structure of the Logos and
astral body. The horror for me here is that there is no grasp of the astral
marriages and intercourse that is going on in the labs here on earth and
what effect the changing of the Logos ordering and cosmic Archetypes might
have on the Group Soul Beings above Man.
We initiate, and step forward onto a path where the astral intercourse
between various higher beings is being brought about by Man. We have bred
many different, refined breeds of animals and grafted many different types
of plants. Is there something different going on here? This happened in the
Atlantean times as well. In order to stabalize the human blueprint and
develop the Human Form, both the Rainbow after the flood, as a seven fold
contract with Man and the Ark of the Covenant, with its strong anchor in the
Cherubim of the four corners of space anchored the foundations of Man as a
lawful Spacial Being. In that stability the Hebrew people held the line and
didn't even want a bit of outbreeding.
The flood translates to the Form change that humanity took from Atlantis to
our current form. It has been sustained, but for how long. In Enoch and what
we are understanding through chromosome and DNA research today there is a
form of astral intercourse between Higher Beings, forced or explored on
Certainly I understand that the freedom and logic to carry out connections
with DNA is legitamate. It is the how. Logically we can see connections
brought about between certain insects and certain plants, this would advance
the plant kingdom to the point of animal by inserting the insect DNA into
the plant; a new legitimate nervous system, which the plant doesn't have,
would be arise. But to step into midwifing the plant kingdom into the animal
kingdom requires in my mind some moral preparation.
Spiders and Goats were not asked. Arachne, the weaver, that Athena got so
pissed off about wasn't asked. Satyrs and the great Pan Goat spirit wasn't
asked. Not in this present lifetime. But aside from the sterile concepts of
Science, aren't we performing astral intercourse here between Group Soul
Beings that could disrupt not only our human phase of evolution, but
introduce our immoral conduct into the whole Astral world? Below are some
Samples of how the Atlantean debacle got out of hand and how we are on the
current rising issue of former Atlantean ideas only with, current immoral
scientific spin on it... confused with consumer needs and corporate profits.
Some of the causes for the Atlantean catastrophe are here. Sorry, if this
confuses you, but I do worry once in awhile.
"...the Book of Enoch may be the oldest and most valuable book in the
world... It may directly stem from the Book of Noah which may have been the
first book given to mankind on Earth... Enoch is claimed to be the father
of Methuselah and to have been associated with God... This complex book
contains a large variety of religious forms and at times runs parallel to
the Bible. However, one thought is repeated several times throughout its
passages: giants had intercourse with earth women, siring giants. The new
breed of giants eventually became degenerate and corrupt to the point where
certain powers in the heavens deemed it necessary to destroy the Earth in a
flood so that mankind on Earth could start over again."
"LXXXVI 1. `And again I saw with mine eyes as I slept, and I saw the heaven
above, and behold a star fell from heaven, and it arose and eat and pastured
amongst those oxen. 2.
And after that I saw the large black oxen, and behold they all changed their
stalls and pastures and their cattle, and began to live with each other.
3. And again I saw in the vision, and looked towards heaven, and behold
I saw many stars descend and cast themselves down from heaven to that first
star, and they became bulls amongst those cattle and pastured with them.
4. And I looked at them and saw,
and behold they all let out their privy members, like horses, and began to
cover the cows of the oxen, and they all became pregnant and bare elephants,
camels and asses. 5. And all the oxen feared them and were
affrighted at them, and began to bite with their teeth and to devour, and to
gore with their horns. 6. And they began moreover
to devour these oxen; and behold all the children of the earth began to
tremble and quake before them and to flee them.'"
"VI "And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in
those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the
angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to
one another: `Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
and beget us children.' 3. And Semjaza who was their leader, said
unto them: `I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone
shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered
him and said: `Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual
imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
5. Then sware they all together and bound
themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6.
And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the
summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon because they had
sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 7. And
these are the names of their leaders: Semiazaz, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal,
Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Starel, Turel, Jomael,
Sariel. VII 1. And all the
others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for
himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with
them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of
roots, and made them acquainted with plants.
2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was
three thousand ells. 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men.
And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. The
giants turned against them and devoured mankind.
5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
fish, and to devour one another's flesh and drink the blood.
6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
"The Atlanteans became a race of magicians. In consequence of this war was
declared, the story of which would be too long to narrate; its substance may
be found in the disfigured allegories of the race of Cain, the giants, and
that of Noah and his righteous family. The conflict came to an end by the
submission of Atlantis; which finds its imitation in the story of the
Babylonian and Mosaic flood: the giants and magicians... and all flesh
died... and every man. All except XIZUTHRAS and Noah, who are substantially
identical with the great father of the THLINKITHIANS in the POPUL VUH, or
the sacred book of the Guatemalans which also tells of his escaping in a
large boat, like the Hindu Noah VAISWASVATA."
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- --- Bradford Riley <holderlin66@...> wrote:
> Since yesterday when I heard of the Goat and Spider DNA union I have
> been troubled, as I get troubled when I hear some of the directions
> science takes.
I'm gonna have to think a bit longer on what you wrote, but in the
meantime, you might want to look at Steve Talbott's essays on the subject.
You can find several on the SouthernCross Review, such as "Sowning
Also, the lovely "To Automate, or Re-enflesh" at:
(while you're at SCR, take a looka at Craig Holdrege and Johannes Wirz's
excellent article, "Life Beyond Genes: Reflections on the Human Genome
Steve Talbott also puts out a nice little newsletter called "NetFuture:
Technology and Human Responsibility", which can be found here:
You might also consider asking over on the Anthroposophical Science list.
(Let me know if you need directions.)
Love from the dark,
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