R: [anthroposophy] RS Master; Duenov
- I really don't know who Mr. Duenov was and I'm not really interested about
his spiritual identity , maybe of high spiritual ranking. But that's a very
interesting matter about the spiritual life in Bulgaria. Bulgaria people and
nation , nazi allies during the II WW , were the ONLY european people ( with
the Danish if i remember well) who refused to give their jews to nazi in
order to put them in death camps. So the biggest part of Bulgaria jews
survived to the Shoah. Only a coincidence?
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> I believe you may find an extensive treatment of the herb gatherer,
> Felix Kogutzki (sp?) in Emil Bock's book about Rudolf Steiner with some
> mention of R.S.'s Master. If memory serves me right, Walter Johannes
> Stein made a trip to the home of Steiner's youth and wrote about it. I
> believe there was an indication in that article. I believe he was
> referred to as "M." Sounds a bit James Bond-ish. :> Of the two great
> Masters of the West, Christian Rosenkreuz and the Master Jesus-- Rudolf
> Steiner is identified (in some circles) with the Master Jesus
> (mistakenly, in my understanding of the facts). But because so many
> sources conflate both individuals (RS & MJ), one can be led to believe
> that they are very closely linked.
> Mrs. Jocelyn (Meditations on the Signs of the Zodiac), who may be known
> to some on this forum, was a personal pupil of Peter Duenov in Bulgaria
> in the early part of the 20th century. She once related to me that
> when asked about work in Eastern Europe, Rudolf Steiner said that it is
> "not necessary for him to work in Eastern Europe, for they have Peter
> The importance of Steiner's birthplace (in the Balkans) has been
> discussed by some Anthroposophical authors. The thesis being that he
> could bring warmth and flexibility (from Eastern Europe) to the rigid
> scientific worldview of Western Europe. (Approximately)
> Hope this adds to your search and not to obfuscation.
> k@ Steiner once told, that Master Jezus was incarnated that time and
> he lives in the Karpathen. Also CR was incarnated.
> And also Boddhisattva Maitreya was there.
> Also he told, he himself had 2 teachers, C.R. and Mr.J. So Steiner
> was not CR or Mr.J.
> Mr.J. was the teacher of Pythagoras. And Pythagoras became later one of
> the 3 king-magus, that came to the birth of the one kingly Jezus.
> from a Deunov-pupil:
> One of my holy dreams is to make connections with peoples form the
> great teaching of Rudolf Steiner, because this two teachings are
> one and
> the same one -> the great word of the Great Universal
> (from Angels to Seraphims)which Head is Christ.
> Master Beinsa Douno have inner connection with Steiner. One
> time he
> speak that Steiner have connection with Pythagor - one of the
> Masters of White Brotherhood on the earth. (from memoris of
> He have many books in him library from Steiner and one time ,
> brothers come to ask master Beinsa for picture of new brotherhood
> magazine he give the one picture from the book (Apokalipsis
> from Steiner sorry for bad English).
> One man Boian Boev( future great pupil of Master) went to
> Germany and
> go to Steiner lectures. He have Asian face, and Steiner ask him:
> Where are you? From Asia?" "No, from Bulgaria" And Stiener :
> "O, go to
> Bulgaria then! Because The Master is there!"
> And Boian return to Bulgaria and becomes one of the great
> pupils of
> There is Inner connections between Orfeizum, Bogomils, White
> Brotherhood(in bulgaria) and the rosencroitsers, catarism and the
> of Antroposophy ->
> these brunches are from one three: the White Brotherhood on
> projection of the Great Universal Brotherhood.
> and from Bruce 888, earlier in this forum:
> > The following is a translation from the book "'The Sunrise' of the
> > White Brotherhood- Sings and Plays, Learn and Lives". It was compiled
> > by Vergiley Krustev.
> > "Before the Balkan War, Boyan Boev was a student in Munich. Rudolph
> > Steiner was his lecturer. Because of his distinctive features (his
> > father was Armenian and his mother Bulgarian), Boyan Boev made an
> > impression on Steiner, who asked him where he came from. When he
> > the answer Steiner exclaimed:" You come from Bulgaria? Do you know
> > Bulgaria is one great country? It is very important country, and it,
> > along with the rest of the Slav people will play a major role in the
> > world future." After this conversation Steiner talked to Boev
> > privately. He asked him why he had come to study here. To the answer
> > want to become your student and learn 'higher sciences'." Steiner
> > replied :"There is no need for you to be my student, because the
> > Master is in Bulgaria. So go back there and become his pupil." Boyan
> > Boev returned to Bulgaria and met the Master. He also wrote
> > hundreds of pages on Rudoplh Steiner's works and translated many
> > others.
> > Once in a conversation, in 1911, the Master (Beinsa Douno, his
> > name is Peter Deunov) was asked if he was familiar with Rudolph
> > Steiner's works. The Master replied that he knew this eminent occult
> > man. When asked to explain how he met him the Master said: "We've met
> > but not in the physical world."
> > In one occasion the Master said: "Rudolph Steiner is a reincarnation
> > Pythagoras." All the students were stunned. That meant that Rudolph
> > Steiner was not just an ordindary person and ordinary spirit. He
> > carried, within him, knowledge from the past. For him the Master had
> > said: "Rudolph Steiner has a mission in Europe. He has to prepare the
> > European mind to accept the New Teaching that is coming on Earth."
> > Everybody knew that the New Teaching was the Teaching of the Master.
> > Boyan Boev knew that too, but the rest of Steiner's adherents just
> > didn't want to believe it.
> > On 31 Dec 1922 some of Steiner's enemies burnt his School. When the
> > Master was told this he smiled and said: "At the time Pythagoras let
> > woman in his School, and because of her the Greek burnt it down. But
> > he didn't learn his lesson then. And now the same thing happened to
> > Pythagoras, today's Steiner, again - his school was burnt down
> > of a woman. " Boayn Boev found that the name of the woman was Maria
> > Sivers, who originated from Russia, was fluent in Russian, French,
> > German, and English, and was Steiner's best assistant. Another
> > found the name of Pythagoras' assistant, and told the Master about
> > He told them that this was the same person. "In major reincarnations
> > these tow souls go together." - he explained.
> > After his School was burnt down, his followers built new homes, out
> > stone, for his students. Pictures of the new buildings were shown to
> > the Master, and was asked if they neededd such homes in Bulgaria. "We
> > can cope without them."-he replied. Steiner left this world on 30
> > March 1925.
> > Once after a lecture Boyan Boev asked the Master if there had been
> > eminent occult people. from the other world, to come to His lectures.
> > The Master answered: "Rudolph Steiner and Sedir are the only ones,
> > from the gone occult people, to come here for lectures in an
> > for you School. I had conversations with Steiner, who once told Me:
> > -Master, I wonder how can you express so many great ideas and truths
> > in such a simple, human language?
> > -But this is not an ordinary language. This is the most precise
> > language on earth and in it only can the occult Truth be delivered."
> > I won't make any comments on this, but how about that remark
> > Marie von Sivers.
> > I just thought it may be of interest.
> k@Further is interesting to hear that some people think, that Omraam
> a reincarnation of one of the ancient Rishis.
> The teacher of the Rishis was Manu or Melchisedek or Malik Sadik.
> This Melchisedek initiates Abraham later.
> To make it more difficult, there are people who think that Steiner was
> Thomas v. Aquino and Aristotelis. Other people think, he could even be
> Walter Johannes Stein, spoke about karmic relations in according to the
> So, now you know everything!(;-))))))))
> groeten en greetings van kees kromme
> Beste Kees,
> Het kan in het Nederlands, maar dat doe ik maar niet anders wordt het zo'n
> I can write in Dutch, but I don't do it because otherwise we separate
> ourselves from the rest.
> Thanks alot for the info you sent to me on 24 of august. I 'm reading
> the autobiography of Steiner now, on instigation of a friend of mine. He
> told of two incarnations of CR who accompanied Steiner for several years.
> The last one should have been the son of a bricklayer at the building of
> first Goetheanum......??????
> kind regards,
> Paul Kuenen
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