RE: [anthroposophy] The Epic of Gilgamesh
- A sidenote: Sumer is much like the word Suomi (Finland in Finnish). It think it was precisely the Epic of Gilgamesh in Sumer that describes a bull standing in water (as one of the origins of the world) like in the myth about Lemminkäinen in Kalevala there is similarly one, I remember. I once read a comparison about those bulls somewhere and the opinion expressed in the article was that it was the same myth. Moreover, wasn't Gilgamesh a giant, for Kaleva was one? Perhaps there is a distant echo of linguistic similarity in the words Kaleva and Gilgamesh as well.
There are many hundreds of Sumerian words in the present day Hungarian language and Hungarian is related to Finnish.
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:50:01 +0000
Subject: [anthroposophy] The Epic of GilgameshHello Everyone,
Yesterday I visited Brunnen von Christus and discovered new
extraordinary article there. It is unknown to me if any scholar has
reached this level of meaning and insight,with such precision and
clarity. With abundant gratitude to BvC/Martha Keltz - Nina
http://www.geocitie s.com/brunnenart icls/gilgamesh. html
The Epic of Gilgamesh - He Who Saw the Deep
By Martha Keltz
"The cultures of the ancient Indian, Persian and Egyptian ages
represent a descent from clairvoyant vision to the purely human vision
of the Greek age. What begins with our own age, and must be attained
in ever-increasing measure during the coming centuries and millennia,
should be conceived as a reascent, a reattainment of forms of culture
imbued with clairvoyance. The Egypto-Babylonian- Chaldean age is
therefore to be regarded as the last stage of preparation for the
essentially human culture of Greece." - Rudolf Steiner, Occult History.
Cosmic and Earthly Origins, Language, Gods
According to the Sumerian King List, the origins of Mesopotamia, in
the geographical area of modern Iraq, date back millennia before the
flood. Thus it appears that these prehistoric civilizations existed
parallel with the later ages of the Atlantean epoch. The enormous
amount of contemporary scholastic and scientific work regarding all
aspects of Mesopotamian life, from mythology to recorded history,
should likewise begin to cast light on the mysteries of Atlantis. As
one delves deeply into studies of Sumerian, Akkadian, Chaldean and
Babylonian histories, genuine understanding requires recognition of
the Atlantean great epoch as fundamental, as vast panoramic
background, as original source and bearer of all significant ancient
cultures, of all spiritual wisdom. From the Atlantean epoch onwards,
long into recorded history, water was the source of all wisdom, and
union with the cosmos, with the spiritual world, was sought within the
fresh, pure waters, within the sweet waters. Nowadays wisdom must be
sought through the Spirit of the Earth.
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- --- In email@example.com, "Nina" <emeraldnina@...> wrote:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Stephen Hale" <sardisian01@>
> > Oops. December 1910. But Steiner actually referred to these two
> > September 1910, with the "Gospel of Matthew" lectures. Ratherand
> > hidden, and more involving the Old Testament figures of Moses and
> > Hermes, but still these two that would pass on down to Aristotle
> > Alexander, and Aquinas and Lamprecht. - Stevenoted.
> > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/OccultHist/OccHis_index.html
> Dear Steve,
> Will look forward to reading some of the original sources Martha
> Thank-you for making it easy for me by providing a link to getstarted!
> Every step taken to enrich others is valued.Glad you were able tomore
> participate in some of the early BvC discussions. I am grateful to
> everything that contributed to the final product. Eager to learn
> spiritual science! NinaNina, you would/will be a valued contributor to the BvC list, as it
is very much involved with the spirit of RS in its present position
of instreaming inspirations from the astral world. That list was
like receiving a fine fiery etheric force that surrounded my head
like lapping tongues. I probably got further into the mystery of
Gilgamesh there than anywhere else, as it really concerns the forming
of the two major streams of time and space into the post-atlantean
world. The Epic of Gilgamesh, the oldest of the national folk tales,
is an assyrian legend, carried down on twelve tablets written in
cuneiform script, and concerns the exploits of Gilgamesh, leader of
Uruk, and Eabani (Enkidu), who is three-quarters a god to Gilgamesh
being one half a god. This was when men were still more godlike than
mere men, even as late as 2700 BC.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is the tale carried on down through the ages of
the exploits of Gilgamesh in seeking the truth of the immortality of
the soul and wherein his search leads him to a place where an ancient
mystery school existed. It is what he learns in this mystery school
as a neophyte and eventual initiate that he brings back with him to
Uruk, and passes on down as legend. It is not without significance
that Abraham was born just 700 years later in the town just south of
Uruk, in Ur of Chaldea.
And Rudolf Steiner for very important reasons renews this story of
the Gilgamesh epic in "World History in the Light of Anthroposophy."
This is where the greater details are given concerning how these two,
Gilgamesh and Eabani/Enkidu, are deemed to pass on down through the
evolutionary ages of time and space at every significant juncture,
even to the time of the Christ on earth.
- --- In email@example.com, Mikko Nuuttila <bellmeine@...>
>It think it was precisely the Epic of Gilgamesh in Sumer that
> A sidenote: Sumer is much like the word Suomi (Finland in Finnish).
describes a bull standing in water (as one of the origins of the
world) like in the myth about Lemminkäinen in Kalevala there is
similarly one, I remember. I once read a comparison about those bulls
somewhere and the opinion expressed in the article was that it was
the same myth. Moreover, wasn't Gilgamesh a giant, for Kaleva was
one? Perhaps there is a distant echo of linguistic similarity in the
words Kaleva and Gilgamesh as well.
>Hungarian language and Hungarian is related to Finnish.
> There are many hundreds of Sumerian words in the present day
>The slaying of the Divine Bull of Heaven is a Gilgamesh story. Moses
was orphaned by his loving mother, who sent the infant boy in a reed
basket down the Nile river in order to save him from an earlier
massacre of the kind that Joseph would hear in a dream, telling him
to take his wife and young son into Egypt for a time. Moses was
found by the pharaoh's daughter, and adopted into the family of
Ramses I. Interestingly, he was found amidst the bullrushes, a form
of papyrus existing at the time when Egypt still had swamps. Joseph
would hear, in a dream again, that it was safe to return home to
Bethlehem, but, in a stroke of intuition, veered off in order to play
it safe, and went to the town of Nazareth to live. This is how the
two Jesus boys came to live as neighbors.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Stephen Hale" <sardisian01@...>
That list was like receiving a fine fiery etheric force that
surrounded my head like lapping tongues. I probably got further into
the mystery of Gilgamesh there than anywhere else, as it really
concerns the forming of the two major streams of time and space into
the post-atlantean world. The Epic of Gilgamesh, the oldest of the
national folk tales...
Can feel the impact from both of your descriptions - your summary and
your experience on BvC. You have the ability to bring central themes
into view with few words. This warms my heart and grounds my mind. Am
thankful also to Robert Mason for bringing BvC to our attention - Nina