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Re: [anthroposophy] Genoa: The Truth Must Get Out, by Stefano

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  • DRStarman2001@aol.com
    So the Chinese were awarded the Olympic games. Free trade will now effectively change the criminal mentatlity of the Chinese? I dare say the manipulation and
    Message 1 of 10 , Jul 25, 2001
      So the Chinese were awarded the Olympic games. Free trade will now
      effectively change the criminal mentatlity of the Chinese? I dare say the
      manipulation and cowardly actions disguised as 'free trade' invites everyone
      to step up to the twenty-first century and become a consumer animal like we
      have become in the West. Markets are full of clever baseless cowards with no
      concern about the Individual in China or the third world.

      We have had ample opportunity to give good wages to Mexico and every other
      country, like Thailand. We have new wages and new business ventures around
      the world, some are sweat shops for the western markets, but others have
      attempted to knock the hell out of the little pockets of group souls that
      remain and guide them toward the English speaking Michael impulse after the
      German one had failed.

      But you may be right, there are other points of issue, I don't find the
      policies of the West in a threefold world anything but selfish an
      mercernary. But who am I to complain? Silly me, I expected that the West
      might provide moral spiritual leadership, fairness. Indeed at first glance
      human rights violators like Milosovech have at least been brought to some
      kind of justice. But what background machinations from the west is helping
      countries tear themselves apart? Who do you think picks up the mess and
      gains after everyone has been lied to and put in unmarked mass graves? But
      please, I have very distorted insights on U.S. policy and my golden image of
      freedom and free trade for everyone is somewhat tarnished? I have a lopsided
      view I fear. I guess the IMF and World Trade are stand-up guys, I know
      George Bush is at least.

      *******Every word of criticism uttered banishes higher knowledge. Underestimation of what deserves respect exerts a withering effect on the growth of higher faculties. Finding the good in all things is one of the six basic exercises, Positiveness. From Knowledge of the Higher Worlds.
    • JadMcCurdy@aol.com
      Dear Starman, I m afraid your views expressed here are entirely inaccurate. Who is protesting? It is not just elite Western middle class people. Yes, a certain
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 25, 2001
        Dear Starman,

        I'm afraid your views expressed here are entirely inaccurate.

        Who is protesting? It is not just elite Western middle class people. Yes, a
        certain portion of the movement fits this description, but there was also a
        large working class presence in Genoa, as well as a large presence of youth
        (who themselves are not middle class), and a large presence of the
        marginalized and the urban dispossessed (check out Naomi Klein's article at Z
        Net). Moreover, protesters came from all over Europe and North America and
        also came from South America. I cannot confirm that African and Asian
        representatives were present, but I'm sure they were to some degree.

        Moreover, if you go to Indymedia you will find that solidarity demonstrations
        have occured around the world, from Portland, Oregon, to Argentina. To be
        exact, solidarity demonstrations occured in the following locations:

        "Solidarity demonstrations against the G8 summit and the police violence
        that has characterized it, have been organized worldwide in Amsterdam,
        Athens, Barcelona, Bologna, Boston, Brussels, Buenos Aires, Finland,
        Greece, Helsinki, Istanbul, London, Los Angeles, Madison, WI, Manchester,
        Melbourne, Miami, Milan, Montreal, Naperville, IL, New York, Oslo, Paris,
        Peru, Philadelphia, Portland, Rome, Salzburg, S�o Paulo, San
        Francisco/Berkeley, Stockholm, Sydney, Toronto, Turkey, Urbana, IL,
        Vancouver, Vienna, and Washington DC and in many other cities in Austria,
        Canada, Germany, Italy, UK, USA, and elsewhere." (Souce, Indymedia)

        As for the idea that the Third World is despirate for a piece of the free
        trade pie? This is also a gross distortion of reality. Yes, elites in the
        Third World want to enter into free trade agreements like the FTAA, but who
        speaks for the people? What is it that they want? Do you think Korean
        workers, who regularly battle police in the streets, want a piece of pie?
        Third World countries the world over attempted in the post-colonial period to
        assert national identities and many to form valid social democratic systems.
        Many even attempted to initiate real socialism, which is not contrary to the
        destiny of the freedom of the individual. Take Nicargua, for example.

        All of this is not to say that I fully agree with the approach the
        anti-corporate led globalization is taking. I feel protest is grossly
        outweighing efforts to build the movement independent of governments, which
        is the only way we will move toward a better world and threefolding. I
        certainly do not sympathize with the violent factions like the Black Bloc.
        However, the point of my posting RE: Genoa was not to support violent
        protest, but to reveal what the mass media and governments are hiding from
        the public.

        Besides, I think it would be a travesty for an Anthroposophical group to pass
        over a world event as significant and disturbing as Genoa without at least
        attempting to share our views, knowledge, and spiritual insights.

        Sincerely,

        John McCurdy
      • Guillermo Romero Ibarrola
        ... My 2 cents (of a Mexican Peso, of course): For those of you interested and able to understand spanish, there is an excelent cartoon on the Genova events
        Message 3 of 10 , Jul 25, 2001
          >Besides, I think it would be a travesty for an Anthroposophical group to pass
          >over a world event as significant and disturbing as Genoa without at least
          >attempting to share our views, knowledge, and spiritual insights.


          My 2 cents (of a Mexican Peso, of course):

          For those of you interested and able to understand spanish, there is an
          excelent cartoon on the Genova events from one of Mexico's best journalists
          at http://www.reforma.com/Carton/calderon/htm/20010722.htm. There Calderon
          puts two pictures side by side, both famous: the one of the cornered Land
          Rover been attacked by an anonimuos crowd (and the also anonimous armed arm
          killing one of the crowd) and the other, the one of the single young men
          stoping the tank in Bejin 1989, where Calderon notes that the dignity of
          the manifestator induces that the person controling the tank find his own
          human dignity and decides to stop the machine.

          I have found that a middle path is normally the best alternative, and the
          one that eventually finds its way and takes place. Changes in the world
          are gradual, we already face global markets as opposed to local markets,
          (and in truth, we have always been global, and have no other alternative
          than being Global, from many perspectives: economic, environmental,
          spiritual). (ie. "Global Village, Spaceship Earth", Gai, etc.)

          The real problem is not globalization, but individual or group agendas that
          try to derive benefits and priviledges from others. (economic, social,
          natural resources, or just pretending to be the holders of Truth for a
          while). That is the root problem for all human conflicts and the only
          solution I forsee is the "unity of conciousness", which I am most certain
          will come as a result of extremes finding a middle temporary solution,
          until the extremes become gradually less extreme, and the middle will be
          the common ground.

          In Anthroposophic terms I see the globalophobics acting on a luciferic
          impulse and the "8 plus Russia" acting on a arihmanic impulse, the solution
          would be in the middle again, in the Christ impulse, and that is an impulse
          of "unconditional Love", of unity, isn't?.

          I see such conflicts as a learning experience for us Humans, a part of the
          game we call life, which is nothing more than a Game of learning. No one
          at the extremes is right, but there is a purpose for all.

          Greetings

          (All of the above of course IMHO)

          Guillermo
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