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  • tmasthenes13
    A cautionary tale for anthroposophical medicine, perhaps? --- Tom ... wrote: First look at the official website of Serbian holistic doctor and Quantum Healer,
    Message 1 of 111 , Jul 24, 2008
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      A cautionary tale for anthroposophical medicine, perhaps? --- Tom

      --- In waldorf-critics@yahoogroups.com, "tmasthenes13" <TomBuoyed@...>

      First look at the official website of Serbian holistic doctor and
      Quantum Healer, Dr. Dragan Dabic with many photographs of him at work
      healing and teaching:


      "Healing from Within: The Ever Increasing Need for Alternative
      Viewpoints in the Modern World."

      "Dr. Dragan "David" Dabic was born some six decades ago in a small
      Serbian village of Kovaci, near Kraljevo. As a young boy he liked to
      explore nearby forests and mountains, spending a lot of time on
      Kopaonik mountain where he tended to pick the omnipresent, natural and
      potent medicinal herbs that grew at those green pastures."

      Here is his business website, "Human Quantum Energy: David Well-Being
      Program," 99% in the Serbian language, but since their alphabet is
      Latin, you can decipher the big medical and holistic buzz words. Plus
      there are photos of all the crystal gadgets and bioenergy sources of

      And this morning, this article appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald.


      When saving lives morphs into torture and killing
      By Robert Kaplan
      Sydney Morning Herald

      The arrest of the psychiatrist Radovan Karadzic raises a profound
      question: was Karadzic merely a doctor who ran a genocide, or did his
      profession as a doctor play a significant part in his genocidal role?

      The evidence points incontrovertibly to the latter: Karadzic practised
      as a psychiatrist at Kosovo Hospital until he became the president of
      the Republika Srpska in 1992, taking some of his nurses and doctors
      with him; he used his training to plan terror tactics for ethnic
      cleansing; he never renounced his profession.


      As a genocidal murderer, Karadzic is an extreme but not uncommon
      example of clinicide, the phenomenon of doctors who kill. Clinicide
      includes serial killing, treatment killing and political killing.
      Doctors murder more than any other professional group; they kill their
      partners, relatives, patients or victims in service of the state or an
      ideology. It is likely that the power over life or death attracts them
      to the profession in the first place. Dr Jean-Paul Marat, the
      bloodthirsty political serial killer behind the French Revolution, was
      a dermatological and ophthalmic specialist. He was followed by Turkish
      doctors who organised the Armenian genocide, Nazi doctors who ran
      death camps and Japanese doctors who carried out biological warfare.
      Since 1945, the role of doctors in terrorism, torture, genocide and
      abuse of prisoners is a growth industry.

      From communist Eastern Europe to rightist regimes in South America,
      the list is extensive; each new phase of insurrection, state
      repression or clash with opposing forces invariably produces doctors
      engaged in serious human rights abuses. Examples include Papa Doc
      Duvalier of Haiti, Dr Hastings Banda of Malawi, Dr Wouter Basson of
      South Africa and, cult-status notwithstanding, Dr Che Guevara.

      Karadzic's trajectory shows uncanny resonances with that of Hitler.
      Both came from a rural background to spend their early youth in
      multi-ethnic cosmopolitan surroundings, Hitler in Vienna, Karadzic in
      Sarajevo. Like Hitler, Karadzic suffered from psychosomatic illness.
      During his early years in Vienna, Hitler mixed with people of all
      backgrounds, including Jews, his murderous racism coming to the fore
      only in 1919. Hitler regarded himself as an artist. While able to
      qualify as a psychiatrist, Karadzic had a similar grandiose and
      romantic vision of himself, despite evidence that he was never more
      than an indifferent poet.

      If nothing else, Karadzic shows that clinicide, from the killing
      fields of Srebrenica to the growing epidemic of geriatric murder in
      nursing homes, can no longer be ignored.


      Robert Kaplan is a forensic psychiatrist at the Graduate School of
      Medicine, Wollongong University. His book "Medical Murder: An Analysis
      Of The Disturbing Phenomenon Of Doctors Who Kill" is due for
      publication in February.


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    • Stephen Hale
      ... forces ... had ... the ... In this [second] kind of initiation the disciple s soul was drawn out of his inner being, whereby he could participate in the
      Message 111 of 111 , Sep 6, 2008
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        --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...> wrote:
        > I still find that `psychic life` development implies engaging the forces
        > of the inner soul towards astral/devachanic inner
        > perception/clairvoyance. A condition of sleep implies astral
        > experience.
        > The second stream, requires an extroverted application. Experience is
        > drawn outward- to face the world, all things manifest, to witness form
        > and then further on, the `geometric` principal of astral determination
        > . To view the workings of the living world is first and foremost to
        > witness etheric forces furnishing mobility and multiplicity of form.
        > Pride suggests a meeting with the outside manifest world. The pupil had
        > at first, to disregard his inner `astral' experience in order
        > to more solidly greet the manifest world- which is why I associated the
        > body/etheric to this latter type of initiation
        > I see that there are different ways of looking at it- or would it be
        > more correct to say- there`s a paradox to this.

        In this [second] kind of initiation the disciple's soul was drawn out of his inner being, whereby he could participate in the events of the cosmos and raise himself to the soul-spiritual essence permeating the universe. His experience differed markedly from ordinary contemplation of nature because he felt he lived within the very soul of the universe. In not a bad but a good sense, he was beside himself. He was, though one hesitates to use this word because it has taken on an unpleasant connotation, in ecstasy. Upon achieving this union with the cosmos he could say to himself that through living in the universe and through experiencing its most intimate soul-spiritual forces, he had come to realize that everywhere the final goal of the cosmos is the creation of man. Did man not exist, the whole creation could not fulfill its end, because he was the meaning of the cosmos.

        Carol, it is not possible to remove the Etheric Body from the physical body without death occurring immediately.  Therefore, for this reason alone the second type of ancient mystery stream concerns the Astral Body.  Consider all that the lecture:  The Work of the Angels in Man's Astral Body gives as a point of further reference for what now takes place in the state of dreamless sleep.   Dream sleep involves the etheric body and its close union with the physical body. 

        During sleeping we interact with the spiritual worlds when the astral-ego organization leaves the etheric-physical organization and engages its spiritual communion in the astral and higher devachanic realms.  The ego, as such in our present development, is a silent witness to the work of the astral body in receiving the impressions of the angelic hierarchies, which are then carried down into the etheric body.  Dreaming is an etheric activity conducted in middle devachan by the astral body, in which our past lives are traveled through and mixed in with the recent physical body experiences of the present life.  Chaos is the general order of the dream experience, which is countered by the objectively ordered pictures of the waking conscious (relative) experience.  Waking up from a dream is felt entirely in the etheric body as a present-moment experience of consciousness.  As soon as the outer world is detected this consciousness sinks down into the subconscious and the dream is forgotten in favor of relative waking consciousness. 

        Practice can allow one to develop the ability to remain within the present-moment consciousness when first awakening as a meditative exercise.  Spiritual science cultivates this desire to remain within the fold of the waking dream experience wherein many truths of independently investigated subjects are intuited and further inspired into imaginative content.

        But as soon as the eyes and ears turn to the sense world, a buffer is created between the environment and the previously felt inner domain, and that which had just been on the surface sinks down into the famed "subconsciousness" of Freud. 

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