Re: [WC] Carrying the Jupiter Race's Burden
- Steve: "I have my doubts though, as a doubting Thomas with good reason."
Yes Steve, not only do we differ in our experience of Anthroposophy,
but also in how we absorb and interpret Steiner's spoken words.
What can I say? Life is far too active, and way too complex to be
explained away by monistic absolutes, right?
PS. Forget about laying out rules for written expression. I do beleive
in freedom, though in having stated this, I will admit that I do offer
up my ear to 'artistic' criticism.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Stephen Hale" <sardisian01@...>
> --- In email@example.com, "carol" organicethics@
> > Steve: "...But see, that's the whole point. Calling the prefontal
> > "angel lobes", and having zero knowledge of an astral body or an
> > body is really nothing more than the perpetuation of nonsense. "
> > Well, it's funny how Rudolf Steiner, in his time, didn't consider
> > instances like these to be examples of any perpetuation of
> nonsense. He
> > saw them as evidence that progress is occuring, in the form of tiny
> > trickles which can't help but make their way into our evolving
> > Certain influencial or even quasi influencial men will intuit, in
> > of themselves, some element of spiritual science, and then, a
> number of
> > these will, by seeming chance, become popularized, thus having an
> > of creating another 'crack' on the side of supersensible
> > another trickle breaks out into the open, taking along with it a
> > of our human collectivity, thus resulting in another fragment,
> > of a supersensible truth, setting itself in stone, within the
> > experience of an ever growing number of men.
> > This is Anthroposophy for me. All mental images which a mechanistic
> > intellect can succeed in creating shows a fragment of what
> > is for ME.
> > Please check this out, Val. You'll find it a comfort.
> > Rudolf Steiner on Occult History:
> On the contrary, Steiner called the above "nonsense" again and
> again. The reason is because it represents the kind of intellectual
> comfort zone that caused him so much grief over the course of his
> career. Have you ever noticed that in the third period of Steiner's
> anthroposophical development (1919-1925), he was charged with having
> to defend himself on an ever-increasing scale against his detractors?
> Read the lecture again from "The Anthroposophic Movement" in the
> files section. It was posted precisely for this purpose of showing
> how, at the midpoint of the year that started with the fire, Steiner
> was actively contemplating his enemies. And this opposition only
> grew in proportion, including the fateful drink from the cup on
> January 1, 1924.
> Still, in spite of it, he held good for another nine months after the
> nine-day initiation of the faithful followers. And trickle-down
> effect, with corresponding baby steps had nothing to do with it;
> although I can see why this would be quite popular today.
> The concept of the "slow train coming" has been addressed quite
> frequently, but most likely over on A_T more so than here. And Val
> has been made aware on numerous occasions, but hopefully the
> highlights and bolds will help her. I have my doubts though, as a
> doubting Thomas with good reason.
- Paracelsus `For we will only talk about things above the senses;
which in fact are contrary to the senses'
Anosmia; this is interesting Bradford (a-nos-mia) after my morning of
contemplation on this I have thought the following. Of course it is
far more complex and is deserving of further study.
Dr. Steiner did say we will loose organs in order to develop new
organs; but to smell the scent of a jasmine or the earthly scent
which comes up from wet soil is precious and every now and then I get
a sniff of this!
The question is : is man loosing his senses (taste, smell etc) or is
the Earth loosing her senses .. or are her senses being covered, so
to speak, with concrete - maybe for example?
In these lectures from Dr. Steiner we read;
The Riddle of Humanity Lecture eight 0170
`And then there is yet another super-sensible region. It is beyond
the limits of the human senses and perceptible only through the
faculty of Inspiration. This is the world of Inspiration. The
processes of breathing, warming and nourishing are a reflection of
this world, just as Saturn, Jupiter and mars are reflections of their
spiritual counterparts from beyond the limits of the zodiac. Moreover
there is a profound relationship between what is out there in the
cosmos and what, as lower nature, is present in man. These spiritual
counterparts of the life processes actually exist. ...And this is how
we should mark out the boundaries of the human senses and life
Now we approach that which is higher than life, those true regions of
the soul which are the home of human astrality and human egoity, of
the I. We leave behind the world of the senses and the realms of
space and time and really enter the spiritual world.
Now on earth, because there is a certain connection between the
twelve sense-zones and our I, it is possible for our I to live in the
consciousness sustained by these sense-zones. Beneath this
consciousness there is another, an astral consciousness which, in the
present stage of human development, is intimately related to the
human vital processes, to the sphere of life. The I is intimately
related to the sphere of the senses; astral consciousness is
intimately related to the sphere of life.
Just as our knowledge of the zodiac comes through or from within
our I, so knowledge of our life processes comes from astral
consciousness. It is a form of awareness that is still subconscious
in people of today: it is not apparent in normal circumstances, it
still lies on the other side of the threshold. In physical existence
such a knowing consists of an inner awareness of the life processes'.
-Goethe in his `Theory of Colours' set forth all that relates colour
to feeling, and leads finally even to impulses of will. But how is it
that people overlook the fact that in the sense of sight we have
chiefly to do with feeling? (The Study of Man lecture V111 GA 0293)
In my spiritual investigations i.e. obtaining consciousness in the
spiritual worlds; it is interesting to note I do not sense smell, or
warmth but I do have feeling and see colour. We also understanding
in `Life beyond Death' feeling becomes willing in the spiritual
Is it possible Goethe is saying; in attainment our twelve senses
becomes rays of light with the vehicle of feeling imbued willing?
And is it possible to contemplate that this might be a future state
in our evolution?
I post my study on the `Twelve Outlooks' combined with the Rays of
Light and the twelve senses (posted in PoF
1. Materialist : Cancer
Materialist a believer in materialism. The belief that all action,
thought and feeling is made up of material things and not ideas. A
person who leaves out or forgets the spiritual side of things.
`The Light within the Form'
Water: mass consciousness
Sense one: Ego Sense (to be distinguished from ego consciousness)
2. Spiritist : Capricorn
Spiritualist The belief that spirit alone is real. The belief that
the spirits of the dead can communicate with the living. A person
who sees or interprets things from a spiritual point of view.
`The Light of Initiation'
Earth: The Mountaintop
Sense two: Sense of Thought
3. Realist : Libra
Realist A person interested in what is real and practical rather
than what is imaginary or theoretical.
`The Light that Moves to Rest'
Air: Intellectual reasoning
Sense three: Word Sense
4. Idealist : Aries
Idealist A person who has high ideals and acts according to them.
A person who neglects practical matters in following ideals.
Visionary. Adherent of idealism in art, literature or philosophy.
`The Light of Life Itself'
Fire: Inspirational and artistic
Sense four: Sense of Hearing
5. Mathematist : Gemini
Mathetic Of or having to do with learning. To formulate something
into mathematical terms.
`The Light of Interplay'
Air: Mentally Stimulating
Sense five: Sense of Warmth
6. Rationalist : Taurus
Rationalist A person who accepts as the supreme authority in
matters of opinion, belief or conduct. The philosophical theory that
reason is in itself a source of knowledge, independent of the
senses. Explanation of the supernatural by reason.
`The Penetrating Light of the Path'
Earth: Practical and Dependable
Sense six: Sense of Sight
7. Psychism : Pisces
Psychism Outside the known laws of physics; supernatural second
`The Light of the World'
Sense seven: Sense of taste
8. Pnumatist : Aquarius
Pneum Spirit or soul, breath, air, wind.
`The Light that Shines on Earth, across the Sea'
Sense eight : Sense of Smell
9. Monadist : Sagittarius
Monad Single cell, atom. Philosophical theory that the universe is
composed of and controlled by minute, simple entities.
`A Beam of Directed Focused Light'
Fire: Energetic and Excitable
Sense nine: Sense of Balance
10. Dynamist : Scorpio
Dynamist Philosophical systems which seek to explain the phenomena
of nature by the action of some force.
`The Light of Day'
Water: Romantic and Sympathetic
Sense ten: Sense of Movement
11. Phenomenalist : Virgo
Phenomenalist Theory that knowledge is attainable only through
careful observation of phenomena. Doctrine that knowledge consists
solely in the accumulation and manipulation of observed data.
Philosophy that phenomena are realities and therefore the only
possible objects of knowledge. Something that the sense or the mind
takes note of, an immediate object of perception, as distinguished
from a thing-in-itself.
`The Blended Dual Light'
Sense eleven: Sense of Life
12. Sensationalist : Leo
Sensationalist - The philosophy theory or doctrine that all ideas
are derived solely through sensation. Aimed at arousing strong or
`The Light of the Soul'
Fire: Fiery and Warm
Sense twelve : Sense of Touch.
-I do believe the Hierarchies Love Love; they love art and poetry and
I do believe they love to laugh! Thus may we say the lofty
hierarchies `sense' through feeling imbued colour, light and love
and music which stirs the soul
This is an interesting lecture, it has to do with a specific birth
chart of a child but in here it is interesting to note Mars's
position. And when we were writing about media and the airwaves it
come to me that possible Mars's airwaves are blocking Venus's love.
Curative Education Eleventh lecture
`Mars, who is the bearer of iron, makes himself independent of the
principle of propagation independent, that is, of the Moon. He
brings away from its true mission that which comes to man through the
Venus principle and is connected with love. Mars tears this out of
its true path of action, does not allow it to be in connection with
generation, nor afterwards with growth; with the result that that
which rightly stands in connection with the growth forces and should
live in the lower part of the body, presses up into the head
-Inner and outer meditation! To smell the jasmine inside, within
oneself, and to know this is the path which stimulates us inwardly
towards Imagination, Inspiration and Intuition. For this is the path
that leads us towards enlightment and as the inner becomes feeling
imbued willed so are our etheric forces which are given back to the
world, indeed the whole cosmos, becomes lightened with this his love.
And it is no wonder we are loosing our sense of smell and taste
because the inner smell and taste is burning like a flame and the
outside pales in comparison
Aye Bradford if life was easy I suppose we would be made out of stone,
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...>
> "It is a curious story I have introduced here. But perhaps you can
> how all this is related specifically to that part of the human soulthat
> is capable of judging good and evil. This is present in every humancalled the
> being to a greater or lesser extent. In anthroposophy this is
> consciousness soul.the
> ....We will see that these four senses (smell, taste, vision, and
> temperature sense) make specific kinds of judgment through thesoul. The
> sense of smell judges good and evil in the quality of odour. Wecall the
> region of the soul through which this is done, this capability ofthe
> human being, the consciousness soul. If you study anthroposophyfurther
> you will see that we can distinguish certain periods in thedevelopment
> of humanity. At present we live in the ppeiod of the consciousnesssoul.
> In this period everyone has the task of judging whether something iscorrect
> good or evil at the moment it is experienced; not whether it is
> or incorrect, but whether it is morally justified or not.of
> "This has to do with the whole question of nuclear power plants or
> pollution. We can not simply continue to examine with our largebrain
> only whether it works well or not. When we pay attention it willbecome
> apparent that everything has a moral value. Then we can askourselves
> whether we are dealing with these things in a moral way or not.This is
> characteristic of the consciousness soul. Man has to develop a newthe
> instinct, acquired through his own efforts - a new organ of smell:
> two-petaled lotus. This is what the future depends on. With this,the
> battle of our time between the moral and the immoral will be fought.weeks
> "OUR TWELVE SENSES Wellspring of the soul by Albert Soesman"
> Smells are surer than sights and sounds to make your heart-strings
> crack.Rudyard Kipling
> http://www.slate.com/id/2195018 <http://www.slate.com/id/2195018>
> "There was nothing remarkable about the cold I caught. But a few
> after I was otherwise back to feeling normal, my sense of smell andsinus
> taste hadn't returned. I went to my doctor, and he said I had a
> infection, prescribed antibiotics, and told me not to worry. Thatwas
> three years ago.otolaryngologists
> Since then, I've been to internists, allergists, and
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otolaryngology> , none of whom havebeen
> able to help me. They provided only a diagnosisanosmiathethought my
> medical term for "you can't smell anything." The specialists
> anosmia probably originated with a virus but had become chronic dueto
> the severe allergies I developed after moving to NorthernCalifornia. I
> began searching the Internet like a cyber bloodhound (at least Icould
> sniff virtually) for the trail that would lead to my missing senseof
> smell. I tried nasal washes, nose sprays, herbal remedies, steroids,lasted.
> acupuncture, antihistamines, dietary modification, meditation, and
> visualization. A few worked for very brief periods, but nothing
> In The Scent of Desire
> 25375> , an insightful book about the sense of smell, Dr. RachelHerz
> points out that most people don't much value theirs. She cites astudy
> that shows people ranking the loss of various physical attributesand
> putting smell at the bottom. They considered it equivalent tolosing a
> big toe.condition
> But in reality, Herz writes: "For those with this devastating
> called anosmia, everything changes. Our sense of smell is essentialto
> our humanity: emotionally, physically, sexually, and socially." Allyou
> normosmics (that's the actual term for those with a normal sense ofnormal
> smell) might think that's over the top. But Herz is right. I lost
> function on the left side of my body from a stroke when I was 30,and
> although I've had a strong recovery, I still have limited fine-motoron my
> control in my left hand, I walk with a limp, and I can't feel much
> affected side. Yet without hesitation I can say that losing mysense of
> smell has been more traumatic than adapting to the disablingeffects of
> the stroke. As the scentless and flavorless days passed, I felttrapped
> inside my own head, a kind of bodily claustrophobia, disassociated.It
> was as though I were watching a movie of my own life. When we seeactors
> in a love scene, we accept that we can't smell the sweat; when theytake
> a sip of wine, we don't expect to taste the grapes. That's how Ifelt,
> like an observer watching the character of me.anxiety
> It's clinically documented that acquired anosmia often leads to
> and depression. Just take a look at any online anosmia supportgroup,
> and you'll see thread after thread discussing how to fight sadness,distressing
> frustration, and loss of sex drive. In extreme cases these
> emotions can become overwhelming. The Scent of Desire begins withthe
> story of Michael Hutchence, the lead singer of INXS, who hangedhimself
> in 1997. Herz makes the case that Hutchence's anosmia, which hedepression
> developed from a blow to the head, contributed to the severe
> that ultimately led to his suicide.disorders
> According to the NIH
> <http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/smelltaste/smell.asp> , more than
> 200,000 people visit a physician each year for help with smell
> or related problems. Although there are no hard numbers, doctors inthe
> field conservatively estimate that 2 million Americans suffer fromsmell
> loss. The lack of treatments or cures, despite the prevalence,reflects
> anosmia's many causes: viruses, head trauma, disease, aging, orbecome
> psychological issues. Also, the sense of smell has only recently
> the subject of serious scientific inquiry. Research began to takeoff
> after Linda Buck and Richard Axel received a Nobel Prize in 2004<http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2004/press.html
> for the discovery of the gene sequence for olfactory receptors. But
> consistently effective treatments for smell disorders remain
> Taste and smell are intimately linked, so when I lost my sense of
> I also lost my appetite. While the taste buds detect sweet, salty,sour,
> bitter, and umami <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami> , it's thethe
> olfactory cells
> <http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-the-sense-of-taste-work.htm> in
> nose that allow us to appreciate the delicious complexities offlavor.
> My taste buds are in perfect working order, but without smell, eachmeal
> is a variation of sweet, salty, sour, bitter, or vaguely savoryeight
> cardboard. During the first year of adapting to anosmia, I lost
> pounds because I had to force myself to eat. As I passed by myfavorite
> fruits, vegetables, cheeses, or treats in the grocery store, I'dfeel my
> usual surge of desire replaced by a jolt of frustration. I rejectedfood
> to punish it for letting me down. I heard plenty of jokes about howsmell
> lucky I was not to enjoy eating from people struggling with their
> weight. Turns out, they were on to something. The company Compellis
> Pharmaceutical is developing a nasal spray for weight loss
> <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287766/> that blocks the sense of
> and taste. To me, the thought of someone deliberately givingthemselves
> anosmia, even temporarily, seems sad and crazy.Ben
> What saved food for me, eventually, was texture, or "mouth feel."
> Cohen of Ben & Jerry's, who has said he is anosmicres=9E01E1DD1039F93BA25751C1\
> A962958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all> , pushed his partner Jerryrely on
> Greenfield to add bigger and bigger chunks to their ice cream. And
> voilaa distinctive brand was born. Apples, which I never liked
> before, have become a treat while saucy foods like daal or coconut
> curry, which I used to love, feel mushy and repellent. I've come to
> appreciate sour foods like lemon or tamarind because they don't
> subtlety to make themselves known in my mouth. Japanese food is theof
> perfect anosmia cuisine since it's so much designed around balance
> tastes and variations of texture.often
> What's the upside of my nonfunctional nose? The smell-impaired are
> called on to do those things their friends or loved ones dread, likecarpets
> changing cat litter, picking up dog poop, cleaning vomit-stained
> after drunken parties. Useful, true, but not being able to smellread an
> yourself makes personal hygiene incredibly stressful. I've never
> account from an anosmic that doesn't cover this embarrassing topic.Even
> after the usual grooming ritualshower, deodorant, teeththe
> brushingI still have a nagging fear that I've missed something.
> What if I reek but don't know it? What if I have something gross on
> bottom of my shoe, and everywhere I go I leave behind a foul trail?I'm
> not only dogged by the fear of stinking; I've also found that lifeis
> more dangerous. I've burned food and melted pots so many times Ishould
> be declared a walking fire hazard. Like most anosmics, I view anygas
> appliance as an archnemesis. I've become compulsive about makingsure my
> gas stove is really on when I turn the dial.one
> After three years of living with anosmia, I got a full reprieve for
> aromatic week when I went back East in the middle of winter.Whether it
> was staying in a place that was completely devoid of plant life, ormoved
> being at sea level (my sinuses have been appreciably worse since I
> to a higher elevation), or who knows what else, my smell and tastethe
> returned. I went home to California feeling reborn. I cried when I
> entered my house and smelled its familiar, welcoming atmosphere for
> first time in years. Everywhere I went, I was greeted by gloriouswonderful.
> scents, from the musty smell of our car to the freshness of clean
> laundry. I reveled in the fragrance of soap, the inside of the spice
> cupboard, the coffeeahhh, the coffeemy clothes, the sheets, my
> husband, and even my dog. The trip we took to the dump was
> Imagine being eager to take in the reek of rotting garbage!noticed
> I was stunned by how much more engaged I felt in my own life. I
> that being able to smell made me feel focused again. I was fully inmy
> body, lighthearted with a clear, keen mind.the
> Then it began to slip away. I tried not to panic. But one day, in
> middle of a cup of coffee, smell vanished. I tried to convincemyself it
> was no big deal. At least I'd had a vacation from anosmia for aweek.
> But I quickly plunged into a despair that sapped all my energy. Iwanted
> to smash my useless nose against the wall.balloon
> I'm still searching for a cure. I recently read about sinuplasty, a
> relatively new procedure that opens blocked sinuses with a thin
> similar to the one that's used for angioplasty. I've made anappointment
> with a specialist to see if I'd be a candidate for the operation.And
> despite my town's horrible housing market, we've made the decisionto
> move because of my allergies. When the realtor came by to see thegood!
> property, the first thing she said was, "Wow, your roses smell so
> And that jasmine. " When I explained my situation, she looked at meBut
> with a mix of pity and incredulity. "You really can't smell them?
> they're so fragrant!" I knew then that moving was the right thing.it if
> Although the financial ramifications will be terrible, it's worth
> I can regain my priceless sense of smell. "