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  • Stephen Hale
    ... I had a very interesting insight about you a few days ago. In fact, it was one of those flooding intuitions that knows that it is correct; true and
    Message 1 of 77 , Jul 2, 2008
      --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Hale"
      <sardisian01@...> wrote:
      > Here is a very good lecture to read:
      > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/JesChr_index.html
      > It describes the two streams of ancient initiation science that
      > somehow still exist today in their rather offbeat ways. Pass it on
      > to Bradford as well, as it applies to him also.

      I had a very interesting insight about you a few days ago. In fact,
      it was one of those flooding intuitions that knows that it is
      correct; true and honest. And my first thoughts were to post the
      exact extract, which I lacked the time to do, or offer the lecture
      indicated: Jesus and Christ, from November 13, 1915. Please read it
      about the two paths of ancient initiation science, as the one path
      certainly you know in this life. That is certain to me.

      Please don't waste time bolding or highlighting anything. Just read
      it, and see if you can find your place. Thanks.

    • carynlouise24
      Paracelsus `For we will only talk about things above the senses; which in fact are contrary to the senses Anosmia; this is interesting Bradford (a-nos-mia)
      Message 77 of 77 , Jul 14, 2008
        Paracelsus `For we will only talk about things above the senses;
        which in fact are contrary to the senses'

        Anosmia; this is interesting Bradford (a-nos-mia) after my morning of
        contemplation on this I have thought the following. Of course it is
        far more complex and is deserving of further study.

        Dr. Steiner did say we will loose organs in order to develop new
        organs; but to smell the scent of a jasmine or the earthly scent
        which comes up from wet soil is precious and every now and then I get
        a sniff of this!

        The question is : is man loosing his senses (taste, smell etc) or is
        the Earth loosing her senses .. or are her senses being covered, so
        to speak, with concrete - maybe for example?

        In these lectures from Dr. Steiner we read;

        The Riddle of Humanity Lecture eight 0170

        `And then there is yet another super-sensible region. It is beyond
        the limits of the human senses and perceptible only through the
        faculty of Inspiration. This is the world of Inspiration. The
        processes of breathing, warming and nourishing are a reflection of
        this world, just as Saturn, Jupiter and mars are reflections of their
        spiritual counterparts from beyond the limits of the zodiac. Moreover
        there is a profound relationship between what is out there in the
        cosmos and what, as lower nature, is present in man. These spiritual
        counterparts of the life processes actually exist. ...And this is how
        we should mark out the boundaries of the human senses and life

        Now we approach that which is higher than life, those true regions of
        the soul which are the home of human astrality and human egoity, of
        the I. We leave behind the world of the senses and the realms of
        space and time and really enter the spiritual world.

        Now on earth, because there is a certain connection between the
        twelve sense-zones and our I, it is possible for our I to live in the
        consciousness sustained by these sense-zones. Beneath this
        consciousness there is another, an astral consciousness which, in the
        present stage of human development, is intimately related to the
        human vital processes, to the sphere of life. The I is intimately
        related to the sphere of the senses; astral consciousness is
        intimately related to the sphere of life.

        Just as our knowledge of the zodiac comes through — or from within —
        our I, so knowledge of our life processes comes from astral
        consciousness. It is a form of awareness that is still subconscious
        in people of today: it is not apparent in normal circumstances, it
        still lies on the other side of the threshold. In physical existence
        such a knowing consists of an inner awareness of the life processes'.

        -Goethe in his `Theory of Colours' set forth all that relates colour
        to feeling, and leads finally even to impulses of will. But how is it
        that people overlook the fact that in the sense of sight we have
        chiefly to do with feeling? (The Study of Man lecture V111 GA 0293)

        In my spiritual investigations i.e. obtaining consciousness in the
        spiritual worlds; it is interesting to note I do not sense smell, or
        warmth but I do have feeling and see colour. We also understanding
        in `Life beyond Death' feeling becomes willing in the spiritual

        Is it possible Goethe is saying; in attainment our twelve senses
        becomes rays of light with the vehicle of feeling imbued willing?
        And is it possible to contemplate that this might be a future state
        in our evolution?

        I post my study on the `Twelve Outlooks' combined with the Rays of
        Light and the twelve senses (posted in PoF

        1. Materialist : Cancer
        Materialist – a believer in materialism. The belief that all action,
        thought and feeling is made up of material things and not ideas. A
        person who leaves out or forgets the spiritual side of things.

        `The Light within the Form'

        Water: mass consciousness

        Sense one: Ego Sense (to be distinguished from ego consciousness)

        2. Spiritist : Capricorn
        Spiritualist – The belief that spirit alone is real. The belief that
        the spirits of the dead can communicate with the living. A person
        who sees or interprets things from a spiritual point of view.

        `The Light of Initiation'

        Earth: The Mountaintop

        Sense two: Sense of Thought

        3. Realist : Libra
        Realist – A person interested in what is real and practical rather
        than what is imaginary or theoretical.

        `The Light that Moves to Rest'

        Air: Intellectual reasoning

        Sense three: Word Sense

        4. Idealist : Aries
        Idealist – A person who has high ideals and acts according to them.
        A person who neglects practical matters in following ideals.
        Visionary. Adherent of idealism in art, literature or philosophy.

        `The Light of Life Itself'

        Fire: Inspirational and artistic

        Sense four: Sense of Hearing

        5. Mathematist : Gemini
        Mathetic – Of or having to do with learning. To formulate something
        into mathematical terms.

        `The Light of Interplay'

        Air: Mentally Stimulating

        Sense five: Sense of Warmth

        6. Rationalist : Taurus
        Rationalist – A person who accepts as the supreme authority in
        matters of opinion, belief or conduct. The philosophical theory that
        reason is in itself a source of knowledge, independent of the
        senses. Explanation of the supernatural by reason.

        `The Penetrating Light of the Path'

        Earth: Practical and Dependable

        Sense six: Sense of Sight

        7. Psychism : Pisces
        Psychism – Outside the known laws of physics; supernatural second
        sight, telepathy.

        `The Light of the World'

        Water: Receptive

        Sense seven: Sense of taste

        8. Pnumatist : Aquarius
        Pneum – Spirit or soul, breath, air, wind.

        `The Light that Shines on Earth, across the Sea'

        Air: Aspirational

        Sense eight : Sense of Smell

        9. Monadist : Sagittarius
        Monad – Single cell, atom. Philosophical theory that the universe is
        composed of and controlled by minute, simple entities.

        `A Beam of Directed Focused Light'

        Fire: Energetic and Excitable

        Sense nine: Sense of Balance

        10. Dynamist : Scorpio
        Dynamist – Philosophical systems which seek to explain the phenomena
        of nature by the action of some force.

        `The Light of Day'

        Water: Romantic and Sympathetic

        Sense ten: Sense of Movement

        11. Phenomenalist : Virgo
        Phenomenalist – Theory that knowledge is attainable only through
        careful observation of phenomena. Doctrine that knowledge consists
        solely in the accumulation and manipulation of observed data.
        Philosophy that phenomena are realities and therefore the only
        possible objects of knowledge. Something that the sense or the mind
        takes note of, an immediate object of perception, as distinguished
        from a thing-in-itself.

        `The Blended Dual Light'

        Water: Perception

        Sense eleven: Sense of Life

        12. Sensationalist : Leo
        Sensationalist - The philosophy theory or doctrine that all ideas
        are derived solely through sensation. Aimed at arousing strong or
        excited feeling.

        `The Light of the Soul'

        Fire: Fiery and Warm

        Sense twelve : Sense of Touch.


        -I do believe the Hierarchies Love Love; they love art and poetry and
        I do believe they love to laugh! Thus may we say the lofty
        hierarchies `sense' through feeling imbued colour, light and love …
        and music which stirs the soul …

        This is an interesting lecture, it has to do with a specific birth
        chart of a child but in here it is interesting to note Mars's
        position. And when we were writing about media and the airwaves – it
        come to me that possible Mars's airwaves are blocking Venus's love.

        Curative Education Eleventh lecture
        `Mars, who is the bearer of iron, makes himself independent of the
        principle of propagation — independent, that is, of the Moon. He
        brings away from its true mission that which comes to man through the
        Venus principle and is connected with love. Mars tears this out of
        its true path of action, does not allow it to be in connection with
        generation, nor afterwards with growth; with the result that that
        which rightly stands in connection with the growth forces and should
        live in the lower part of the body, presses up into the head

        -Inner and outer meditation! To smell the jasmine inside, within
        oneself, and to know this is the path which stimulates us inwardly
        towards Imagination, Inspiration and Intuition. For this is the path
        that leads us towards enlightment and as the inner becomes feeling
        imbued willed so are our etheric forces which are given back to the
        world, indeed the whole cosmos, becomes lightened with this his love.

        And it is no wonder we are loosing our sense of smell and taste
        because the inner smell and taste is burning like a flame and the
        outside pales in comparison …

        Aye Bradford if life was easy I suppose we would be made out of stone,

        --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...>
        > "It is a curious story I have introduced here. But perhaps you can
        > how all this is related specifically to that part of the human soul
        > is capable of judging good and evil. This is present in every human
        > being to a greater or lesser extent. In anthroposophy this is
        called the
        > consciousness soul.
        > ....We will see that these four senses (smell, taste, vision, and
        > temperature sense) make specific kinds of judgment through the
        soul. The
        > sense of smell judges good and evil in the quality of odour. We
        call the
        > region of the soul through which this is done, this capability of
        > human being, the consciousness soul. If you study anthroposophy
        > you will see that we can distinguish certain periods in the
        > of humanity. At present we live in the ppeiod of the consciousness
        > In this period everyone has the task of judging whether something is
        > good or evil at the moment it is experienced; not whether it is
        > or incorrect, but whether it is morally justified or not.
        > "This has to do with the whole question of nuclear power plants or
        > pollution. We can not simply continue to examine with our large
        > only whether it works well or not. When we pay attention it will
        > apparent that everything has a moral value. Then we can ask
        > whether we are dealing with these things in a moral way or not.
        This is
        > characteristic of the consciousness soul. Man has to develop a new
        > instinct, acquired through his own efforts - a new organ of smell:
        > two-petaled lotus. This is what the future depends on. With this,
        > battle of our time between the moral and the immoral will be fought.
        > "OUR TWELVE SENSES Wellspring of the soul by Albert Soesman"
        > Smells are surer than sights and sounds to make your heart-strings
        > crack.—Rudyard Kipling
        > http://www.slate.com/id/2195018 <http://www.slate.com/id/2195018>
        > "There was nothing remarkable about the cold I caught. But a few
        > after I was otherwise back to feeling normal, my sense of smell and
        > taste hadn't returned. I went to my doctor, and he said I had a
        > infection, prescribed antibiotics, and told me not to worry. That
        > three years ago.
        > Since then, I've been to internists, allergists, and
        > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otolaryngology> , none of whom have
        > able to help me. They provided only a diagnosis—anosmia—the
        > medical term for "you can't smell anything." The specialists
        thought my
        > anosmia probably originated with a virus but had become chronic due
        > the severe allergies I developed after moving to Northern
        California. I
        > began searching the Internet like a cyber bloodhound (at least I
        > sniff virtually) for the trail that would lead to my missing sense
        > smell. I tried nasal washes, nose sprays, herbal remedies, steroids,
        > acupuncture, antihistamines, dietary modification, meditation, and
        > visualization. A few worked for very brief periods, but nothing
        > In The Scent of Desire
        > <http://www.amazon.com/Scent-Desire-Discovering-Enigmatic-
        > 25375> , an insightful book about the sense of smell, Dr. Rachel
        > points out that most people don't much value theirs. She cites a
        > that shows people ranking the loss of various physical attributes
        > putting smell at the bottom. They considered it equivalent to
        losing a
        > big toe.
        > But in reality, Herz writes: "For those with this devastating
        > called anosmia, everything changes. Our sense of smell is essential
        > our humanity: emotionally, physically, sexually, and socially." All
        > normosmics (that's the actual term for those with a normal sense of
        > smell) might think that's over the top. But Herz is right. I lost
        > function on the left side of my body from a stroke when I was 30,
        > although I've had a strong recovery, I still have limited fine-motor
        > control in my left hand, I walk with a limp, and I can't feel much
        on my
        > affected side. Yet without hesitation I can say that losing my
        sense of
        > smell has been more traumatic than adapting to the disabling
        effects of
        > the stroke. As the scentless and flavorless days passed, I felt
        > inside my own head, a kind of bodily claustrophobia, disassociated.
        > was as though I were watching a movie of my own life. When we see
        > in a love scene, we accept that we can't smell the sweat; when they
        > a sip of wine, we don't expect to taste the grapes. That's how I
        > like an observer watching the character of me.
        > It's clinically documented that acquired anosmia often leads to
        > and depression. Just take a look at any online anosmia support
        > and you'll see thread after thread discussing how to fight sadness,
        > frustration, and loss of sex drive. In extreme cases these
        > emotions can become overwhelming. The Scent of Desire begins with
        > story of Michael Hutchence, the lead singer of INXS, who hanged
        > in 1997. Herz makes the case that Hutchence's anosmia, which he
        > developed from a blow to the head, contributed to the severe
        > that ultimately led to his suicide.
        > According to the NIH
        > <http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/smelltaste/smell.asp> , more than
        > 200,000 people visit a physician each year for help with smell
        > or related problems. Although there are no hard numbers, doctors in
        > field conservatively estimate that 2 million Americans suffer from
        > loss. The lack of treatments or cures, despite the prevalence,
        > anosmia's many causes: viruses, head trauma, disease, aging, or
        > psychological issues. Also, the sense of smell has only recently
        > the subject of serious scientific inquiry. Research began to take
        > after Linda Buck and Richard Axel received a Nobel Prize in 2004
        > for the discovery of the gene sequence for olfactory receptors. But
        > consistently effective treatments for smell disorders remain
        > Taste and smell are intimately linked, so when I lost my sense of
        > I also lost my appetite. While the taste buds detect sweet, salty,
        > bitter, and umami <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami> , it's the
        > olfactory cells
        > <http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-the-sense-of-taste-work.htm> in
        > nose that allow us to appreciate the delicious complexities of
        > My taste buds are in perfect working order, but without smell, each
        > is a variation of sweet, salty, sour, bitter, or vaguely savory
        > cardboard. During the first year of adapting to anosmia, I lost
        > pounds because I had to force myself to eat. As I passed by my
        > fruits, vegetables, cheeses, or treats in the grocery store, I'd
        feel my
        > usual surge of desire replaced by a jolt of frustration. I rejected
        > to punish it for letting me down. I heard plenty of jokes about how
        > lucky I was not to enjoy eating from people struggling with their
        > weight. Turns out, they were on to something. The company Compellis
        > Pharmaceutical is developing a nasal spray for weight loss
        > <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287766/> that blocks the sense of
        > and taste. To me, the thought of someone deliberately giving
        > anosmia, even temporarily, seems sad and crazy.
        > What saved food for me, eventually, was texture, or "mouth feel."
        > Cohen of Ben & Jerry's, who has said he is anosmic
        > <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?
        > A962958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all> , pushed his partner Jerry
        > Greenfield to add bigger and bigger chunks to their ice cream. And
        > voila—a distinctive brand was born. Apples, which I never liked
        > before, have become a treat while saucy foods like daal or coconut
        > curry, which I used to love, feel mushy and repellent. I've come to
        > appreciate sour foods like lemon or tamarind because they don't
        rely on
        > subtlety to make themselves known in my mouth. Japanese food is the
        > perfect anosmia cuisine since it's so much designed around balance
        > tastes and variations of texture.
        > What's the upside of my nonfunctional nose? The smell-impaired are
        > called on to do those things their friends or loved ones dread, like
        > changing cat litter, picking up dog poop, cleaning vomit-stained
        > after drunken parties. Useful, true, but not being able to smell
        > yourself makes personal hygiene incredibly stressful. I've never
        read an
        > account from an anosmic that doesn't cover this embarrassing topic.
        > after the usual grooming ritual—shower, deodorant, teeth
        > brushing—I still have a nagging fear that I've missed something.
        > What if I reek but don't know it? What if I have something gross on
        > bottom of my shoe, and everywhere I go I leave behind a foul trail?
        > not only dogged by the fear of stinking; I've also found that life
        > more dangerous. I've burned food and melted pots so many times I
        > be declared a walking fire hazard. Like most anosmics, I view any
        > appliance as an archnemesis. I've become compulsive about making
        sure my
        > gas stove is really on when I turn the dial.
        > After three years of living with anosmia, I got a full reprieve for
        > aromatic week when I went back East in the middle of winter.
        Whether it
        > was staying in a place that was completely devoid of plant life, or
        > being at sea level (my sinuses have been appreciably worse since I
        > to a higher elevation), or who knows what else, my smell and taste
        > returned. I went home to California feeling reborn. I cried when I
        > entered my house and smelled its familiar, welcoming atmosphere for
        > first time in years. Everywhere I went, I was greeted by glorious
        > scents, from the musty smell of our car to the freshness of clean
        > laundry. I reveled in the fragrance of soap, the inside of the spice
        > cupboard, the coffee—ahhh, the coffee—my clothes, the sheets, my
        > husband, and even my dog. The trip we took to the dump was
        > Imagine being eager to take in the reek of rotting garbage!
        > I was stunned by how much more engaged I felt in my own life. I
        > that being able to smell made me feel focused again. I was fully in
        > body, lighthearted with a clear, keen mind.
        > Then it began to slip away. I tried not to panic. But one day, in
        > middle of a cup of coffee, smell vanished. I tried to convince
        myself it
        > was no big deal. At least I'd had a vacation from anosmia for a
        > But I quickly plunged into a despair that sapped all my energy. I
        > to smash my useless nose against the wall.
        > I'm still searching for a cure. I recently read about sinuplasty, a
        > relatively new procedure that opens blocked sinuses with a thin
        > similar to the one that's used for angioplasty. I've made an
        > with a specialist to see if I'd be a candidate for the operation.
        > despite my town's horrible housing market, we've made the decision
        > move because of my allergies. When the realtor came by to see the
        > property, the first thing she said was, "Wow, your roses smell so
        > And that jasmine. …" When I explained my situation, she looked at me
        > with a mix of pity and incredulity. "You really can't smell them?
        > they're so fragrant!" I knew then that moving was the right thing.
        > Although the financial ramifications will be terrible, it's worth
        it if
        > I can regain my priceless sense of smell. "
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