Fwd: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Projecting + Love
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, dottie zold
I think its always so interesting to take the poision another is
putting out and turning it into medicine. We all do this at various
times whether it be we are the bearers of this poison or vica versa.
And if we are lucky we encounter Anthroposophia who shows us to
ourselves in what we are becoming and what we need to transform for
this Consciousness Soul Age.
I was thinking about what Sergie says below regarding love and what
he shares regarding Rudolf Steiner's statement of the I am.
These are no small words. It is my experience that the
kind of thinking Bradford, Hale, Mason, Mellet, Carol etc. offer
would be so much further along if they only had a heart. :) But
isn't that the lions roar anyway and what they must be looking
for: the heart for the other. Not the other that thinks like them,
but the other that does not. For what does it mean if you keep
finding yes men around you and you are all holding hands in hell.
Not a damn thing.
And that's what love has to do with it: everything. For I know so
many people looking to develop a love for their fellow man, a real
abiding love, an understanding love, a hard fought love that
requires one put ones own thought to the side, that have no
anthroposophical training whatsoever, and are further along then the
ones I mention above. For it is the willingness to fight for an
objective love that meets the day, not the pretentiousness of
backpatting for the many words produced that look like they mean
something. If you aint' got love for your brother you aint got
nothing. And that don 't mean 'I love the Palestinians, and hate the
Jews for what they are doing yada yada ya...no it means you love
even those you disagree with. And instead of putting them into some
false fire in your subjective mind, you look to find a way to move
the mountain in front of you heart that will only let in what it
Looking for your higher self? Look for love first.
All good things,
1 If I speak in human and angelic tongues 2 but do not have love, I
am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and
all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do
not have love, I am nothing.
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that
I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
3 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not
pompous, it is not inflated,
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-
tempered, it does not brood over injury,
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures
4 Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to
nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be
brought to nothing.
For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child,
reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to
face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am
5 So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of
these is love.
--- On Sun, 5/25/08, dottie zold dottie_z@... wrote:
From: dottie zold dottie_z@...
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Projecting
Date: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 9:34 AM
In Sergei's book 'Relating to Rudolf Steiner' he takes up the
question we have worked with for many years on this list: either
using Rudolf Steiner to validate your position or projecting your
own subjective nature unto his supposed 'failures'. I am going to
share a few quotes from the chapter entitled 'A Path to Rudolf
" As we know, the mystery of the 'I' in the 'I am' is at the core of
anthroposophy. When Rudolf Steiner asked in London how anthroposophy
might be briefly defined for the Oxford Dictionary he wrote in
English: 'Anthroposophy is knowledge produced by the higher self in
man'. However, our higher self or higher ego is not within us. At
birth it remains in the spiritual world and thus is found outside
us. What we usually call our ego or I is only a mirror image of our
higher self within our bodily sheaths. If our real ego lies outside
us how can we meet it during initiation? Anthroposophy answers this
as follows: In everything that approaches us karmically from
without, in blows of fate, in natural catostrophes which affect you
personally, and particularly through what comes towards you from
other people, the higher self works within you in an objective way.
This means that when someone looks for his higher self only within
himself he falls subject to one of the greatess illusions, turns
into a blatant egoist and in some cases may even all into the
clutches of black magic. However if he looks outside himself with
full devotion and love, then gradually he learns to love everything
that surrounds him, everything that he encounters in his earthly
The higher self is a purely spiritual being. And true love for it
therefore is a selfless love for the spiritual manifesst everywhere
in teh world, and in particular in other people. Without love of the
higher self of the other we cannot find oru own higher self in the
spiritual world. Union with it, however, forms the core of modern
initiation. Only at the level of intuition can a real encounter with
the higher self take place in the spirit and lead to a
unification of being. Intuition is, however, pure love which alone
makes possible complete union with another, without losing oneself.
Thefore, in order to really tread the path to the higher self, this
selfless love is the primary quality required. 'What is revealed
through intution can be attained only by developing and
spiritualizing to the highest degree the capacity for love. A person
must be able to make this capacity for love into a cognitional
force', (The Evolution of Consciousness,
1923) that is, one which can be recognized by the higher
self. Such a love that has become a higher forece o knowledge is,
again, in no way ego-less; it alone opens all the gates to the
higher self and thus to our own true being."
The first encounter with the higher self in the spiritual world is
not at all abstract but a real event. As long asx we are unable to
unite with our higher self out of our own forces of intution, we
depend on the help of those who have taken this path before us. Here
Rudolf Steiner says something that many who only relate to
spiritual science superficially may not like to hear. It is so
important, though, and I wish to quote it here in full:
"The higher human self does not live within us, but around us...We
must seek it with thsoe who have already trodden the path that we
wish to tread...If, in preparation for the future, we wish to
approach it more closely, we must seek it above all in the company
of those individualities who can work during the night on our
(...) There is a danger, however, that those who have no experience
whatsoever of the higher self succumb to the tempation to project
what has been quoted above onto their own lower self and thus
attempt to pull a high individuality like Rudolf Steiner down to
their level. Then the encounter with the individuality of Rudolf
Steiner is as hard to bear as with their own higher self or the
Guardian of the Threshold. However, the dissent voiced against
Rudolf Steiner, which is born from this, only demonstrates that
those concerned are not looking selflessly for their higher self in
the spiritual world but only within themselevs, and therefore they
are unable to endure a real approach to him. "
All good things,
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