Re: Fwd: Kissing Up to Adolf
Well Steve, I found the lecture quite to the point- that is the point which should, in my opinion, be admitted, studied and reflected upon by all Anthroposophists today in light of that which is 'dangling' in the air of our collective soul fabric.
That an Anthroposophist today can readily and without illiciting any objections, put forth a proposition that anyone who 'thinks' about the last World War needs to be apprehended and subjected to torture in view of an effective reeducation SERIOUSLY REPRESENTS in my opinion, the continuation of something which 'should not grow on the ground of anthroposophy although it sprouts in quite different soil'.
And also, that such a view be upheld by so called Anthroposophists as the right one, as well as a complementary one which stipulates that it is ONLY RIGHT to rally oneself behing such a view, at risk of finding oneself in the 'dangerous and unknown zone', REPRESENTS to me to what extent a ripple effect was caused by the last great war, into the minds and feelings of all people, including the Anthroposophic community, and to what extend and how readily many of it's members will sacrifice the core Anthroposophic spirit over to it's opposing spiritual ones....
I consider this problem to be profoundly dangerous.
"...Now it must be strongly emphasized that during the war, when countries were tearing eachBut neither must it be forgotten that all the feelings which passed through people's
other apart, members of sixteen or seventeen nations were present here and working together; it must be
emphasized that the Anthroposophical Society passed through this period without in any way forfeiting its
minds during this period, and thus also through the minds of anthroposophists, had a splintering effect on the Anthroposophical Society in many respects. This cannot be denied....
...But anyone watching these things will have noticed that the Society could not avoid the ripple effect,
even if it appeared in a somewhat different form from usual, and that in this context something came
strongly to the surface which I have described before by saying that in this third phases we saw the
beginnings of what I might call a certain inner opposition to the tasks I had to fulfill in the Anthroposophical Society....
...Now at a certain point of the third phase during the war, I wrote the booklet Thoughts in Time of War.. Something had affected them which should not grow on the ground of
This particular work elicited inner opposition which was especially noticeable. People told me that they
thought anthroposophy never intervened in politics, as if that booklet involved itself with politics ! And
there was more of the same
anthroposophy although it sprouts in quite different soil. There were quite a few such objections to
Thoughts in Time of War, but I am about to say something terribly arrogant, but true nevertheless; no
one ever acknowledged that the whole thing was not really comprehensible to them at the time but if they
waited until 1935 they might perhaps understand why that booklet was written...."
The Consolidation of the Anthroposophical Movement
Dornach, 16 June 1923
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> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Stephen Hale" sardisian01@
> > So, yes, I will continue this thread in a little while because the
> > subject of the compromise of 1901 hasn't really been dealt with, and
> > represents the key factor then as well as now. But also, I have some
> > material concerning a certain prescience on the part of Rudolf
> > concerning 1935, coming twelve years beforehand. And it is quite eye-
> > opening. Also, it seems that Mr. Prokofieff was given more than a
> > little indication of what occurred between 1925 and 1935, such as to
> > make him feel that he himself had taken on at least part of the karma
> > of Rudolf Steiner. And this is worth getting into a bit as well.
> For those interested, please read the seventh lecture of Steiner's
> lecture course: The Anthroposophic Movement, which I have posted into
> the files section under the title: "The Consolidation of the
> Anthroposophical Movement". It describes how the outer opposition
> toward the movement from its origination, took on an inner character at
> the time of the outbreak of WWI, and how it would have been possible
> for everything Steiner had said up til 1914 to have sufficed for the
> duration of the 20th century if it had not been for the war.
> It was due to the onset of the war, and its prescience, that Steiner
> felt that a visible homage to the spirit needed to be constructed. And
> this was started in May of 1913. This had the effect, of course, of
> creating a whole new area of opposition to the science of the spirit
> being divulged to the intellect of mankind at that time. And so, the
> work went on of describing how the necessity of freedom required the
> path and obstacles to be faced.
> But now, the opposition had entered the society itself. This is what
> Rudolf Steiner emphasizes most in this lecture. At the midpoint of the
> year that began with the burning down of the Goetheanum, while actively
> contemplating the future course to be felt later on with the CC of
> 1923, this is what he says. And pay close attention please, because he
> knows what the future will bring. In spite of all his enormous
> efforts, he knows what the immediate future will bring.
- --- In email@example.com, "carol" <organicethics@...>
> ...Now at a certain point of the third phase during the war, Iwrote the
> booklet Thoughts in Time of War.booklet
> This particular work elicited inner opposition which was especially
> noticeable. People told me that they
> thought anthroposophy never intervened in politics, as if that
> involved itself with politics ! Andshould not
> there was more of the same. Something had affected them which
> grow on the ground ofwere
> anthroposophy although it sprouts in quite different soil. There
> quite a few such objections tocomprehensible
> Thoughts in Time of War, but I am about to say something terribly
> arrogant, but true nevertheless; no
> one ever acknowledged that the whole thing was not really
> to them at the time but if theywas
> waited until 1935 they might perhaps understand why that booklet
> written...."For those who are at least somewhat familiar with the work of Sergei
> LECTURE SEVEN
> The Consolidation of the Anthroposophical Movement
> Dornach, 16 June 1923
Prokofieff, he is the one who has done the most to revive an
interest in the Christmas Conference of 1923 after the period from
1925-1975 in which virtually nothing was done toward the furtherance
of the anthroposophical movement in terms of the worldwide vision
that Steiner felt for this supersensible event. In 1986, Prokofieff
wrote an introduction describing how he came to anthroposophy, and
particularly how he came to write the book, "Rudolf Steiner and the
Founding of the New Mysteries". Toward the end of this
introduction, after naming several books that fell into his hands
concerning the CC of 1923, he writes something that has stayed in my
mind as a very interesting statement. See what you think. Here it
"Shortly after my first acquaintance with the materials of the
Christmas Conference another book fell into my hands, where the
history of all the difficulties and conflicts within the
Anthroposophical Society after Rudolf Steiner's departure from the
physical plane, together with the tragedy of its culmination in
1935, is analyzed step by step in all its details. This book made
such an impression on me that for several days I was "physically
ill". This difficult experience, as I have said, enabled me in a
very small way to gain a real idea of what it meant at the time, in
1923, for Rudolf Steiner to take upon himself the karma of the
Society. Thus as a result of my own experience I learnt what it
really means to become a pupil of Rudolf Steiner also in this
sphere. In any case, having once experienced this even to a
physical degree, I also understood the impossibility of arriving at
simple solutions to such questions through an outward search for
the `guilty' and `innocent' parties in these events of the past.
The true reality of what happened lay much deeper, and it has to be
endured if one is to be freed from the urge to resolve the problems
associated with it through abstractly intellectual means alone.
This tormenting experience did, however, have another side to it.
For immediately afterwards I had the feeling that the spiritual form
of the teacher had become even closer than before and that only
after this experience was I fully able to consider myself his
And from here, Prokofieff goes on to more or less say that he has
now taken on the karma of Rudolf Steiner for the future of the
movement, the Society, and the re re-founding of the Christmas
Conference of 1923/1924. I wonder what would happen if we all got
ahold of this book describing this ten year period (1925-1935). I
know that it must very interesting, maybe even harrowing and
- Steve, I wonder if perhaps that short history clip needs fall into the
hands of a certain segment of Anthros ONLY.
I'm under the impression that considering the complexities of the
problems and solutions, it best BE that only a few come to reflect on
the contents, while a few others like yourself, peice the contents
together from 'hints' which are dropped, here and there- and who knows,
destiny might have it that it will eventually fall into your hands.
I only have to hop over to 'you know where' to see just how
'sensitivity' can be bullied around and buried because of - well, you
can probably form an image of the scope of the complexities attached to
this as well...
I'm looking at a comparison of the spiritual 'favor' which was bestowed
onto the Catholic church, but then included in this, the nurturing of
it's esoteric branches, all over a good enough period of time. The
scope of intensity of the spiritual impulse was immense, and I
personally do not beleive that every drop of it's (RC) 'spiritual favor'
has completed left humanity. One only has to reflect upon the karmic
relationships which are still fueled by former ecclesiastic encounters.
In an immediate sense, there still dwindles spiritual forces (albeit of
still great importance from a perspective of Devachanic science) within
the workings of our earthly collective soul fabric.
And so my point is that when Anthroposophy gains more 'muscle' in terms
of presence, it may somewhat parallel the picture of former influencial
spiritual impulses. At this moment in time, I see Anthroposophy as
quite a young impulse, inspite of the fact that it's origins seem to lie
in the birthing efforts of Rosicrucianism some centuries ago. (Yet
potent enough to 'shoulder' a stigmatised living individual)
And, seeing as Anthroposophy's purpose is the development of the
consciousness soul, I can't see this happening with too much ease. As
it is, there are many Michael students who are unable to UTILISE
Anthroposophy's society because of it's predominant 'childishness' in
the face of the forces of 'world becoming'. (You could probably
qualify the forces cultivated within a good part of the collectivity of
souls attached to the Society as ultimately stiffling). Note, I was as
if 'forbidden' to get too close to the dynamics of the collectivity here
where I live.
And so you have it, according to what you've presented, Sergei P was
able to understand that ' understanding it all' was going to be quite
difficult, meanwhile, great Michaelmic outward efforts are taking
place without a direct reference to Anthroposophy.
So I would assume that the Anthroposophic movement/society might be to
quite a large degree, still 'submerged' within the substrata realm of
soul experience, with a growing few able to raise it to the surface.
And when this occurs, it becomes confirmed by yet another living soul
that a simple solution is out of the question.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Stephen Hale" <sardisian01@...>
> --- In email@example.com, "carol" organicethics@
> > ...Now at a certain point of the third phase during the war, I
> wrote the
> > booklet Thoughts in Time of War.
> > This particular work elicited inner opposition which was especially
> > noticeable. People told me that they
> > thought anthroposophy never intervened in politics, as if that
> > involved itself with politics ! And
> > there was more of the same. Something had affected them which
> should not
> > grow on the ground of
> > anthroposophy although it sprouts in quite different soil. There
> > quite a few such objections to
> > Thoughts in Time of War, but I am about to say something terribly
> > arrogant, but true nevertheless; no
> > one ever acknowledged that the whole thing was not really
> > to them at the time but if they
> > waited until 1935 they might perhaps understand why that booklet
> > written...."
> > LECTURE SEVEN
> > The Consolidation of the Anthroposophical Movement
> > Dornach, 16 June 1923
> For those who are at least somewhat familiar with the work of Sergei
> Prokofieff, he is the one who has done the most to revive an
> interest in the Christmas Conference of 1923 after the period from
> 1925-1975 in which virtually nothing was done toward the furtherance
> of the anthroposophical movement in terms of the worldwide vision
> that Steiner felt for this supersensible event. In 1986, Prokofieff
> wrote an introduction describing how he came to anthroposophy, and
> particularly how he came to write the book, "Rudolf Steiner and the
> Founding of the New Mysteries". Toward the end of this
> introduction, after naming several books that fell into his hands
> concerning the CC of 1923, he writes something that has stayed in my
> mind as a very interesting statement. See what you think. Here it
> "Shortly after my first acquaintance with the materials of the
> Christmas Conference another book fell into my hands, where the
> history of all the difficulties and conflicts within the
> Anthroposophical Society after Rudolf Steiner's departure from the
> physical plane, together with the tragedy of its culmination in
> 1935, is analyzed step by step in all its details. This book made
> such an impression on me that for several days I was "physically
> ill". This difficult experience, as I have said, enabled me in a
> very small way to gain a real idea of what it meant at the time, in
> 1923, for Rudolf Steiner to take upon himself the karma of the
> Society. Thus as a result of my own experience I learnt what it
> really means to become a pupil of Rudolf Steiner also in this
> sphere. In any case, having once experienced this even to a
> physical degree, I also understood the impossibility of arriving at
> simple solutions to such questions through an outward search for
> the `guilty' and `innocent' parties in these events of the past.
> The true reality of what happened lay much deeper, and it has to be
> endured if one is to be freed from the urge to resolve the problems
> associated with it through abstractly intellectual means alone.
> This tormenting experience did, however, have another side to it.
> For immediately afterwards I had the feeling that the spiritual form
> of the teacher had become even closer than before and that only
> after this experience was I fully able to consider myself his
> esoteric pupil."
> And from here, Prokofieff goes on to more or less say that he has
> now taken on the karma of Rudolf Steiner for the future of the
> movement, the Society, and the re re-founding of the Christmas
> Conference of 1923/1924. I wonder what would happen if we all got
> ahold of this book describing this ten year period (1925-1935). I
> know that it must very interesting, maybe even harrowing and
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "carol" <organicethics@...> wrote:
> Steve, I wonder if perhaps that short history clip needs fall into the
> hands of a certain segment of Anthros ONLY.
> I'm under the impression that considering the complexities of the
> problems and solutions, it best BE that only a few come to reflect on
> the contents, while a few others like yourself, peice the contents
> together from 'hints' which are dropped, here and there- and who
> destiny might have it that it will eventually fall into your hands.Here is one very important piece. It is a brief outline of a much
larger work that involved an investigation into what the CC of 1923 was
all about, and just what it was designed to achieve. And also how it
was effectively terminated on December 29, 1925, when the GAS decided
to shut its doors and go into hiding.
And it wasn't until 1944, 21 years after the conference in which Rudolf
Steiner invoked an initiation of 800 people for the future of modern
spirituality, that Marie Steiner relented and made the CC proceedings
and the foundation stone meditation generally available for the first
time. And by then, many of these 800, who were certainly poised at the
time when the meditation was first invoked, had moved on.
The secret to all this concerns what was ultimately revealed in the
Karmic Relationships lectures wherein the karmic connections of the
anthroposophical movement itself was explained. And how the foundation
stone meditation conducted over the course of the nine days was the
basis for a quick reincarnation before the end of the 20th century,
including Steiner himself.
Thus, it could certainly be said that the activities that Rudolf
Steiner conducted in the nine months after the Christmas Conference of
1923 were of an oracular nature; a Saturn Oracle to be exact.
Here is the outline that formed the basis for the very first general
membership initiative to the GAS, offered in February of 1997. It
contains a very brief but interesting history of what happened; but not
why. There's more to 'that' story. - Steve
"Washington, D.C, December 3, 2007: "A delayed action bomb is in the process of going off. It seems that in the `40s. our wonderful CIA hired a number of ex-Nazis of some high rank and bad reputation to work for them, mostly in Europe. Now, it turns out that they also hired the head of the Gestapo and brought him to the United States! They have tried to sit on this one, and other such types, for some years now but the real story is coming out. They also sponsored a Walter Rauff (who invented the notorious gas vans) and the really awful Dr. Mengele. The latter, who used to experiment with Jewish twins at Auschwitz, was part of one of the CIA's nutty programs to genetically create people. Also, there is a file floating around that the CIA is frantic to sit on, that discusses using microwaves to exert mind control. The did this down at Warrenton and used "volunteer' black county jail inmates. Putting people in a room and turning on massive microwaves only cooked two of them, very well-done. They dumped the bodies on a neighbor's farm. Aren't the CIA wonderful people? Here is an accurate account taken from Wikipedia and written by a former CIA operative. Spastic colon, here we come!"
Heinrich Müller, born April 28, 1900, was allegedly killed in the street fighting in Berlin in 1945 when the Soviet Army seized the German capital. In a Berlin cemetery there is a grave with a headstone, claiming that Heinrich Müller was buried underneath it. The memorial stone did not indicate that Müller had been an SS-Gruppenführer and a Lieutenant General in the German Police and that since 1935, was the head of the German Gestapo or the Secret State Police. On September 25, 1963, the body was exhumed for identification.
The exhumation had been requested by the West German Ludwigsburg Center that dealt with ex-Nazis sought for prosecution. This Center had information that Müller was not dead and was, in fact, gainfully employed by a foreign government. One of the first steps in proving this was to ascertain whether the corpse in the grave was that of Heinrich Müller who had been issued a death certificate from the Death Bureau of Berlin-Center numbered 11 706/45. A subsequent pathological examination proved that there were the remains of three different men in the grave, none of whom were Heinrich Müller
The man being sought was the son of a minor official, had completed a primary school education, had taken technical training in aircraft engines, worked for the BMW factory, building aircraft engines and in June of 1917 had joined the German Army. Because of his background, after his preliminary training, Müller was assigned to Flieger Ausbildung Abteilung 287 in April of 1918. In the seven months remaining before the war ended, Müller was promoted to NCO in August of 1918 and won the Iron Crosses First and Second Class. He was also awarded the Bavarian pilot's badge and after injuring his leg in an aircraft accident, the retired Bavarian pilot's badge.
Müller served on the Western Front throughout the war. When the war was over, Müller joined the Munich Police in 1919 as a junior assistant. He passed his entrance examination and became a police officer. He was promoted to Police Secretary in 1929 and was in Section VI of the Bavarian State Police, a unit that dealt with Communist activity. In 1934, Müller and a number of his associates were transferred to the Gestapo in Berlin and joined the SS as a Sturmführer on April 20, 1934. In 1935, Müller was head of Department II (Gestapo). In 1936, he was head of the Gestapo division of the headquarters of the Security Police (Sicherheitspolizei). In 1937, he was promoted to senior police official (Kriminalrat) and in 1939, to the rank of Reichskriminaldirektor or Director of Police.
In May of 1945, Heinrich Müller was last seen in Hitler's Berlin bunker. Shortly after the city fell lto the Russians, the body of a senior SS officer, his wife and three children at the Air Ministry complex. The body was identified as SS General Heinrich Müller of the Main Security Office, the RSHA. This, however was not the head of the Gestapo. He was Dr. Heinrich Müller of the RSHA legal department. Gestapo- Müller was born April 28, 1900, and his SS number was 107 043 while the Müller found in Berlin was born June 7, 1896 and his SS number was 290 396 (Source: `Dienstalteresliste der Schutzstaffel der NSDAP, Berlin 1944, pps 11-12)
Immediately following the war, in May of 1945, Gestapo- Müller was put on the American Intelligence CROWCASS (Central Registary of War Crimes and Security Suspects) list of war criminals sought for arrest and prosecution. In 1946, U.S. CIC reported that Gestapo-Müller had escaped to Switzerland using the name Schwartzer. (Source: U.S. Army Intelligence file on Heinrich Müller XE 23 55 39 WJ p. 126)
In 1948, the CIA had taken over the intelligence organization being formed by the former Wehrmacht General, Reinhard Gehlen who worked prior to this for the U.S. Army. The organization was led by Lt. Colonel James Critchfield and was stationed at Pullach, south east of Munich. At this time, Colonel Critchfield's top recruiter was one Willi Krichbaum, then resident at Bad Reichenhall. Although Critchfield denied it later, Krichbaum was a Senior Colonel (Oberführer) in the Gestapo and Müller's former deputy. He was born May 7, 1896 and his SS number was 107 039. During the war, Krichbaum was commander of the Geheime Feld Polizei of the Wehrmacht. (Source: Dienstalteresliste der Schutzstaffel der NSDAP, Berlin 1944, p. 29)
Müller had been working for Swiss intelligence under Paul Masson as an expert on Communist infiltration, was put in contact with Colonel Critchfield by Krichbaum and in August of 1948, interviewed at his home in Geneva, Switzerland by James Speyer Kronthal, the CIA's station chief in Bern, Switzerland As the result of inquiries into the postwar survival of Heinrich Müller and his employment, in the United States, by the CIA and the U.S. Army, the German government's main legal center wrote, in a report dated January 31, 2000, that although Müller was reported to have died in Berlin in 1945, their report (110 AR 1619/97), stated that Müller had escaped to Switzerland and had gone to work for the American CIA and was settled, under a false name, in Washington, was a member of the U.S. Army and died in 1973. (Source: Zentrale Stelle der Landesjustizverwaltugen Report no. 110 AR 346/.2000)
Because the hiring of Heinrich Müller was considered to be a potential serious public relations disaster, some effort has been made to strongly distance the CIA from this employment by claiming that Müller may have survived the war but never was employed by the United States government in any capacity. Photographs of Müller in the uniform of the U.S. Army's General Staff, taken by the U.S. Army Signal Corps, show him at a White House conference with President Truman in 1949
In 1967, a series of articles on Heinrich Müller appeared in the German media, claiming he was living in Panama but it was subsequently proven that the man, who bore slight resemblance to Müller, was an expatriate American.
American archival and published sources:
U.S. Army Intelligence Records, Ft. George Meade, MD File no XE 23 55 39 WJ U.S. National Archives : P&O File 311.5 TS (Sections I,II,III) 1948 top secret decimal file, Records of Army General Staff, RG 319, NA Trento, Joseph, `The Secret History of the CIA", Random House, 2001, pp 29, and fn 5
National Archives Washington: Repositur (Record Group) 200, (Dwork-Ducker Papers)
German archival sources:
Bundesarchiv Koblenz Nachlaß Himmlers: NL 126 Akten des Persönlichen Stabes Reichsführer SS: Bestand NS 19/1686. 1703, 1813, 2011, 2040 ,2556, 2648, 3464, 3874 Einsatzbefehle und sonstige Anweisungen des Chefs der SIPO und des SD an die Einsatzgruppen in der Sowjetunion: R70 SU/32 Ohlendorf-Prozeß, Nachfolgeverfahren des Nürnberger Prozessen über die Tatigkeit der Einsatzgruppen: Bestand All. Proz. 1, Rep. 501, XXVII, El8 (Anklage Paul Blobel)
Bundesarchiv, Abteilungen Potsdam: Akten des RSHA Bestand R58/18, 67, 93, 141, 142, 214, 239, 241, 242, 243, 265. Akten der Parteikanzelei: NS 6/16, 22 Unterlagen aus dem Archiv des ehemaligen Ministeriums für Staatssicherheit, Abteilung 9/11 Aktenzeichen ZR 759 A. 14.
Institut für Zeitgeschichte in München: Zeugenaussagen: Bestand ZS 539, ZS 573 (Dr. Emanuel Schäfer), ZS 584 (Willy Litzenberg), ZS 1746 (Adolf Eichmann), ZS 1939 (Dr. Böhme), ZS 1940, ZS 2335 (Dr. Walther Stepp) Aufzeichnungen von Rudolf Hoess über Heinrich Müller, F 13/Bd 6, Blatt 339 - 342 Mikrofilm: MA 433, 443, 445 Beweisdokumente der Israelischen Polizei aus dem Eichmann-Prozeß: Eich Nr .299, 333,1395 Bestand Fa 506/8, Fa 18311, Fa 21:Wunveröffentlichte Dokumente der Alliierten aus dem Nürnberger Prozeß: L-35
Staatsarchiv München: Bestand Polizeidirektion München 6900, 6905, 6954, 8377; Akten der Regierung von Oberbayern, Kammer des Innern, Regierungsabgabe: RA58148
Bayerisches Hauptstantsarchiv München: Akten des Staatsministeriums des Innern: Bestand M Inn 71469, 71880, 71881, 71920, 71936,72059, 72060 und 76234, 272,276, 343, 400, 840. 1027, 1086, 1131
Staatsarchiv München: Karteikarte des Einwohnermeldeamtes, Signatur: PMB M 259 Polizeipräsidium München (bis 27. 10. 1976 Polizeidirektion), Personalabteilung: Karteikarte von Heinrich Müller.
Staatsarchiv Nürnberg: Unveröffentlichte Dokumente der Alliierten aus dem Nürnberger Prozeß" NO245, NO255, NO441, NO608, NO744, NO 1533, NO 1973, N02522, N02550, NO 381 8, NO 4631, NO 4633, NO 4636, NO 4658, NO 4700, NO 4999, NO 5322 NID9915 NG 237, NG 362, NG 2354, NG 2550. NG 2652, NG 3522, NG 3700, NG 3746, NG 4275, NG 5178, NG 5554, NG 5764 PS 1151, PS1165, PS1276, PS 1682,152375,PS2377, PS2615.PS3319 (7), PS3166, D 046, D 050 US 557 USSR-413 NOKW 040, NOKW 134
Archiv der Hauptschule Schrobenhausen: Zensurbuch der freiheren Deutschen Werktagsschule zu Schrobenhausen aus den Jahren 1906-1908
Zentrale Stelle der Landesjustizverwaltung in Ludwigsburg: Aktenzeichen 1 AR 422/60, 415 AR 422160, 1Js 1/65 (RSHA), 1Js 4/65 (RSHA), 1Js 7/65 (RSHA) und 1Js 12/65 (RSHA)
Staatsanwaltschaft Berlin: Ermittlungsverfahren gegen Heinrich Müller wegen Mordes; Aktenzeichen 1Js l/68 (RSHA)
British Archival Sources:
Public Records Office, Kew, Richmond: Akten der Britischen Militärgerichte: WO 235/430, 573, 574