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  • tmasthenes13
    ... wrote: Robert, As an addendum to this new asuric consciousness of hopelessness, I would like to return to Bobby Matherne s book review
    Message 1 of 4 , Nov 8, 2007
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      --- In anthroposophy_tomorrow@yahoogroups.com, "tmasthenes13"
      <TomBuoyed@...> wrote:

      Robert,

      As an addendum to this new asuric consciousness of hopelessness, I
      would like to return to Bobby Matherne's book review again because i
      found a wonderful quote about Oedipus.

      Book Title: "Situation Hopeless but not Serious"
      Book sub-title: "The Pursuit of Unhappiness"
      Author: Paul Watzlawick (1983)

      http://www.doyletics.com/arj/sihnsrvw.htm

      Anyway, Bobby quotes Karl Popper, of all people, about Oedipus.

      "The very actions that Oedipus took in order to avoid the horrifying
      predictions of the oracle led to the fatal fulfillment of those
      predictions."

      Consider that Oedipus becomes Judas Iscariot, who reincarnates as St.
      Augustine and then as Leonardo da Vinci. Now recall that the Gospel of
      Judas was been discovered and published a year or so ago.

      Now, Robert, consider all the doomsday predictions that our "Steiner
      Oracle" has made throughout his anthroposophical career.

      By hoping to avoid these terrible things, are we not performing
      actions that will absolutely bring them about?

      If that's the case, the only possible way out is to stop hoping.

      Am I being too melancholic here?

      Tom

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    • holderlin66
      Now, Robert, consider all the doomsday predictions that our Steiner Oracle has made throughout his anthroposophical career. By hoping to avoid these terrible
      Message 2 of 4 , Nov 8, 2007
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        Now, Robert, consider all the doomsday predictions that our "Steiner
        Oracle" has made throughout his anthroposophical career.

        By hoping to avoid these terrible things, are we not performing
        actions that will absolutely bring them about?

        If that's the case, the only possible way out is to stop hoping.

        Am I being too melancholic here?

        Tom

        For all those Good Germans who populate America and further populate Anthro land, let's see the furthest borderland of the Socratic Intellectual Soul diagnosis of ahriman's infection in the West.  Of course if you haven't considered Ron Paul and you still atest to being a Michael School student, perhaps you need a little reminder of exactly what the problem is.  Good Americans and Good Anthros take note.

        http://www.shoutfile.com/v/a42Hu9Hr/Wake_Up_America

         

      • carol
        Right on Bradford, that s the American voice that I knew some time back. It must have been just about over 20 years ago... before I had to learn to insulate
        Message 3 of 4 , Nov 9, 2007
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          Right on Bradford,  that's the American voice that I knew some time back.  It must have been just about over 20 years ago... before I had to learn to insulate myself 'as best I could'. C.


          --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          > Now, Robert, consider all the doomsday predictions that our "Steiner
          > Oracle" has made throughout his anthroposophical career.
          >
          > By hoping to avoid these terrible things, are we not performing
          > actions that will absolutely bring them about?
          >
          > If that's the case, the only possible way out is to stop hoping.
          >
          > Am I being too melancholic here?
          >
          > Tom
          >
          > For all those Good Germans who populate America and further populate
          > Anthro land, let's see the furthest borderland of the Socratic
          > Intellectual Soul diagnosis of ahriman's infection in the West. Of
          > course if you haven't considered Ron Paul and you still atest to being a
          > Michael School student, perhaps you need a little reminder of exactly
          > what the problem is. Good Americans and Good Anthros take note.
          >
          > http://www.shoutfile.com/v/a42Hu9Hr/Wake_Up_America
          > <http://www.shoutfile.com/v/a42Hu9Hr/Wake_Up_America>
          >

        • carol
          May I, in the spirit of Michaelmic schooling, contribute a little Intellectual Soul diagnosis of ahriman s infection in the West . I just hate to see my
          Message 4 of 4 , Nov 10, 2007
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            May I, in the spirit of Michaelmic schooling, contribute a little 'Intellectual Soul diagnosis of ahriman's infection in the West'.

            I just hate to see my contemporary Good Westerners and Good Anthros throw their faith up to 'the wrong guys'. 

            "...The elitist corporate government is going to hold the rest of us hostage with directed energy weapons in space, if the Policy for a New American Century group - PNAC - Bush and cronie think tank has their way, along with directed energy attacks against any country or citizen that they decide they do not like. These weapons can create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war..."

            From: What Chemtrails Really Are

            11-9-7

            "The United States does not torture." --President George W. Bush

            We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with "steady state" and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

            They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air....

            What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.

            Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

            Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

            Spray and Zap.

            This system appears to be in Russia, Canada, the United States, and all of Europe. Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite....

            There are satellite weapons involved. Activists are using meters and are getting readings of microwaves, x-rays, and some other kind of emission that they are not sure of, maybe a low-intensity laser....

            They are also photographing gas plasma generation due to the heating of chemtrails by electromagnetics. The technical names for vertical and horizontal plasma columns are columnar focal lenses and horizontal drift plasma antennas. Various size of gas plasma orbs are associated with this technology. These orbs can be used as transmitters and receivers because they have great, refractory and optical properties. They also are capable of transmitting digital or analog sound. Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass....

            What does that mean? Someone or someones are very involved in unconstitutional, domestic spying and the entrained plasma orbs carried on electromagnetic beams can be used for mind control programming....

            The satellites download holographic mind control movies, pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. The Air Force has stated in "Air Force 2025" that their goal is to develop virtual and augmented reality mind control....

            We are the lab rats for this technology and something is very wrong in the military or intelligence branches somewhere....Then again, behavioral and mind control programs were an authorized policy under MKULTRA. Our country has a history of experimenting on its citizens....

            "HAARPs" can create earthquakes and can also x-ray the earth to find underground military bases, gold, or oil reserves. These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid....

            Any country that joins this NATO system will become mind-controlled and diseased due to the associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology....

            It constitutes U.S. global domination via NATO and the erosion of civil rights. According to Charlotte Iserbyt and Al Martin, there are ex-KGB and ex-STASI advising our new Office of Total Information Awareness. They are the ones creating our new internal passports [national ID]. And under "The Treaty on Open Skies," we have overflights by Russian and German military. Who exactly is flying those plasma-cloaked craft that are seen all over this country and mistaken for UFOs by people who do not know about this aerial deception technology? Obviously, we have another "Project Paperclip" in the making...."

            http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm

            Also from: Chemtrails And Terror In The Age Of Nuclear War 6-3-4

            "In their quest to remain top dog in the kill chain, the purveyors of perpetual war have deliberately dimmed earth,s life-giving sunlight5 and reduced atmospheric visibility6 with lung-clogging particulates and polymers. This ecological terrorism has severely compromised public health, according to thousands of testimonials....

            Gross chemical and electromagnetic pollution is only part of the horrific realities we endure. The sociopaths who brazenly pervert skies, climate and weather for power and profit are the same madmen who have waged four limited nuclear wars since 1991. Radioactive weaponry, declared both illegal and immoral by the entire civilized world, has been used by the Pentagon in Desert Storm, the Balkans campaign and the on-going occupation-wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. Few Americans understand the extent of carnage inflicted in their name across the planet....

            1. At least part of the aerosol project has been dubbed Operation Cloverleaf,7 probably due to its multi-faceted operations, which include: weather modification, military communications, space weapons development, ozone and global warming research plus biological weaponry and detection testing.

            2. Dumping tons of particulate matter from aircraft has geo-engineered our planetary atmosphere into a highly charged, electrically-conductive plasma useful for military projects.8 The air we breathe is laden with asbestos-sized synthetic fibers and toxic metals, including barium salts, aluminum, and reportedly, radioactive thorium.9 These materials act as electrolytes to enhance conductivity of military radar and radio waves.10 Poisonous on par with arsenic and a proven suppressant of the human immune system,11 atmospheric barium weakens human muscles, including those of the heart.12 Inhaled aluminum goes directly to the brain and medical specialists confirm that it causes oxidative stress within brain tissue, leading to formation of Alzheimer's like neurofibrillary tangles.13 Radioactive thorium is known to cause leukemia and other cancers.14

            3. Only a small percentage of the military,s atmospheric modification projects are visibly obvious. What we can,t see is equally dangerous. The ionosphere, the earth and its inhabitants are continually bombarded with high frequency microwaves used to manipulate the charged atmosphere for weather modification, information gathering and for tectonic (earthquake-producing) weaponry.15 Independent chemtrail researcher Clifford Carnicom confirms that we are also continuously subjected to extremely low electromagnetic frequencies (ELF) pulsing at 4 hertz multiples, frequencies known to profoundly affect human biological and mental functioning.16 ....."

            http://www.rense.com/general53/chemsd.htm

             


            --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            >
            > Now, Robert, consider all the doomsday predictions that our "Steiner
            > Oracle" has made throughout his anthroposophical career.
            >
            > By hoping to avoid these terrible things, are we not performing
            > actions that will absolutely bring them about?
            >
            > If that's the case, the only possible way out is to stop hoping.
            >
            > Am I being too melancholic here?
            >
            > Tom
            >
            > For all those Good Germans who populate America and further populate
            > Anthro land, let's see the furthest borderland of the Socratic
            > Intellectual Soul diagnosis of ahriman's infection in the West. Of
            > course if you haven't considered Ron Paul and you still atest to being a
            > Michael School student, perhaps you need a little reminder of exactly
            > what the problem is. Good Americans and Good Anthros take note.
            >
            > http://www.shoutfile.com/v/a42Hu9Hr/Wake_Up_America
            > <http://www.shoutfile.com/v/a42Hu9Hr/Wake_Up_America>
            >

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