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Re: Clockwise/counterclockwise

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  • DocStarman@aol.com
    ... Copenhagen *******I believe what he was referring to was that the hook-cross (hagenkreutz), which represents the 4 elements in motion (as opposed to the
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 6, 2000
      > > From: "Danny F." <premabrahma@...>
      > > But yet, it's hard to forget the use of the Swatiska by the Nazis...
      >
      >What's the story of the nazi-swastika in this connection?
      >Torben
      Copenhagen >>

      *******I believe what he was referring to was that the hook-cross
      (hagenkreutz), which represents the 4 elements in motion (as opposed to the
      square, which is the 4 at rest) rotated counter-clockwise in its ancient
      Buddhist use, meaning withdrawal away from matter. The Nazi symbol was the
      reverse, clockwise, signifying plunging deeper INTO matter.

      The choice comes from the reality of the Sun in daytime and the night
      sky: when anyone in the Northern Hemisphere wishes to face the direction the
      sun is always in (the south), the sun and stars are seen to move clockwise---
      so this is the direction of 'earthly' Nature, you could say, while
      counter-clockwise is the much less obvious motion that the Moon and planets
      exhibit over more than one day, therefore a 'heavenly' nature direction (in
      old English, 'widdershin') not seen in the daily. Rather as we do the
      Ruckschäu in reverse of the order nature gives us things, so it takes more
      effort....

      The National Socialists (a group that grew out of one of the Brotherhoods
      of the Left-Hand path) wanted more and more the material, in opposition to
      the way we are meant to grow now that Kali Yuga has ended. Instead of
      developing the etheric mind, they brought all their poorly-understood occult
      teachings down into matter. They pursued an ancient Roman way more than a
      thousand years after it had become inappropriate; for now we have conquered
      the material world, and it is the world of the etheric that awaits our
      exploration. Although, there were distorted hints of even this in the Nazi
      phenomenon, like Blut und Gründ, and Hans Hoerbiger's Fire/Ice cosmology...

      Dr. Starman
    • Torben Zenth
      Hi Starman Thank you for your, as always, elaborate answer. Torben Copenhagen
      Message 2 of 2 , Nov 7, 2000
        Hi Starman

        Thank you for your, as always, elaborate answer.

        Torben
        Copenhagen

        > From: DocStarman@...

        >>> From: "Danny F." <premabrahma@...>
        >>> But yet, it's hard to forget the use of the Swatiska by the Nazis...
        >>
        >> What's the story of the nazi-swastika in this connection?
        >> Torben
        > Copenhagen >>
        >
        > *******I believe what he was referring to was that the hook-cross
        > (hagenkreutz), which represents the 4 elements in motion (as opposed to the
        > square, which is the 4 at rest) rotated counter-clockwise in its ancient
        > Buddhist use, meaning withdrawal away from matter. The Nazi symbol was the
        > reverse, clockwise, signifying plunging deeper INTO matter.
        >
        > The choice comes from the reality of the Sun in daytime and the night
        > sky: when anyone in the Northern Hemisphere wishes to face the direction the
        > sun is always in (the south), the sun and stars are seen to move clockwise---
        > so this is the direction of 'earthly' Nature, you could say, while
        > counter-clockwise is the much less obvious motion that the Moon and planets
        > exhibit over more than one day, therefore a 'heavenly' nature direction (in
        > old English, 'widdershin') not seen in the daily. Rather as we do the
        > Ruckschäu in reverse of the order nature gives us things, so it takes more
        > effort....
        >
        > The National Socialists (a group that grew out of one of the Brotherhoods
        > of the Left-Hand path) wanted more and more the material, in opposition to
        > the way we are meant to grow now that Kali Yuga has ended. Instead of
        > developing the etheric mind, they brought all their poorly-understood occult
        > teachings down into matter. They pursued an ancient Roman way more than a
        > thousand years after it had become inappropriate; for now we have conquered
        > the material world, and it is the world of the etheric that awaits our
        > exploration. Although, there were distorted hints of even this in the Nazi
        > phenomenon, like Blut und Gründ, and Hans Hoerbiger's Fire/Ice cosmology....
        >
        > Dr. Starman
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