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  • carol
    Tom and All: May I also introduce as a likely possibility, an event of alchemy of the soul having a lot to do with Judith von Halle s Stigmata as it pertains
    Message 1 of 11 , Sep 29, 2007

      Tom and All: May I also introduce as a likely possibility, an event of 'alchemy of the soul' having a lot to do with Judith von Halle's Stigmata as it pertains to her individuality and individual initiation.

      Previously I presented the following concepts though admittedly, they appear to STILL (superficialy) skim over the top of what is taking place.

      "If as I suspect, planetary forces and interplay are important factors in the event of an incarnate individual reenacting the drama of Christ's last moments of life, through themselves having reoccuring living psycho/emotional experience of it and actually bleeding from wounds, then this phenomena would have to be considered more significant than an 'initiation' swung too far on the physical plane.

      It carries a quality of being somewhat 'holy', supersensible perhaps. And it brings to mind the uncontestable determining right of the Seraphin, as well, an interplay of synchronicity on a greater scale than one attributed to lesser personal karmic events...."

      In this lecture series I've been reading; (Esoteric Christianity and the Mission of Christian Rosenkreutz ROSICRUCIAN CHRISTIANITY)


      -I came across the description of a process for inner spiritual growth as practiced by medieval rosicrucians. There could be a connection between what was practiced outwardly then (but experience inwardly), and what occurs inwardly through the study of Spiritual Science, today. The corrolation may explain in an indirect manner and perhaps even only in part, what has taken hold of Judith von Halle soul, to the point that she is able to outwardly manifest a Stigmata. (It should also be underlined that outward Stigmatas are a rare occurance when compared with the amount of souls incarnated at one time,  on the earth and during a given number of years)

      "The medieval rosicrucian produced these processes himself in his laboratory and then he entered into contemplation of these salt formations, solutions and processes of combustion, letting himself at the same time be filled with deeply religious feelings in which he became aware of his connection with all the forces of the macrocosm. These soul processes called forth in him divine thoughts, divine love and divine sacrifice. And then the medieval rosicrucian discovered that when he produced a salt process, noble, purifying thoughts arose in him. With a solution process love was stimulated in him, he was inspired by divine love, and with a combustion process the desire to make a sacrifice was kindled in him, it urged him to sacrifice himself on the altar of the world...

      These were the experiences of one who did these experiments. And if you had attended these experiments yourself in clairvoyant vision, you would have perceived a change in the aura of the person carrying them out. The aura that was a mixture of colours before the experiment began, being full of instincts and desires to which the person in question had perhaps succumbed, became single-hued as a result of the experiment. First of all, during the experiment with salt formation, it became the colour of copper — pure, divine thoughts — then, in the experiment with a solution, the colour of silver — divine love — and finally, with combustion, the colour of gold — divine sacrifice. And then the alchemists said they had made subjective copper, subjective silver and subjective gold out of the aura.And the outcome was that the person who had undergone this, and had really experienced such an experiment inwardly, was completely permeated by divine love. Such was the way these medieval theosophists became permeated with purity, love and the will to sacrifice, and by means of this sacrificial service they prepared themselves for a certain clairvoyance.This is how the medieval theosophist could see behind maya into the way spiritual beings helped things to come into being and pass away again....

      If these things had not taken place at that time, we would not be able to practise rosicrucianism in the Spiritual Scientific way today. What the medieval rosicrucian experienced when he beheld the processes of nature is a holy natural science. The mood of spiritual sacrifice, the tremendous joys, the great natural events, including pain and sadness, as well as the events that uplifted him and made him happy, all these experiences that he had during the experiment he performed, worked on him in a liberating and redeeming way. All that was planted into him then, however, is now hidden in the innermost depths of man...."

      And concerning Anthroposophy's connection and concern for the 'All', I found this.  (Of course, I am assuming that Anthroposophy is as if born out of Rosicrucianism).

      "What was given in the different religious creeds has been gathered into one whole by Christian Rosenkreutz and the council of the twelve. This means that everything that the separate religions had to give and all that their followers strove and longed for will be found in the Christ Impulse. Development during the next three thousand years will consist in this: the establishing and furthering of an understanding of the Christ Impulse."

      And then, within the same lecture, there's this:

      "The Bodhisattva, however, will especially point to the Christ".

      (Well, err, I found that VERY interesting..)

      And in passing, I personally have a hard time identifying with the 'Anthroposophia' spirit often referred to by members of the Anthroposophic society. HOWEVER, I have NO problems with this:

      "We know Christian Rosenkreutz best when we enter properly into his individuality and become conscious that the spirit of Christian Rosenkreutz lives on and on. And the nearer we approach his great spirit the stronger we shall become. We can hope for a great deal of strength and help from the etheric body of this great leader, who will always be there, if we ask him to help us....

      We will also be able to understand the strange event of Christian Rosenkreutz falling ill if we absorb ourselves properly in the work of Spiritual Science. In the thirteenth century this individuality lived in a physical body that grew weak to the point of transparency, so that for several days he lay as though dead, and during this time he received from the twelve their wisdom and he also experienced the event of Damascus.

      May the spirit of true rosicrucianism be with you and inspire you in this group, then the mighty etheric body of Christian Rosenkreutz will be all the more active here."



      --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...> wrote:
      > And Tom, there's definitely more to it than that.
      > The detailed description of changes to Judith's etheric body, and this
      > phenomena is confirmed by others of the past, indicate a special state,
      > likely over and above initiation.
      > Not only does Judith experience supersensible activity within her
      > etheric body, she also conveys highly 'sensitive' spiritual facts.
      > All this is indicative that the individual with a Stigmatism is employed
      > by the Heaven's for a 'special purpose'. It's a extra ordinary
      > spiritual event affecting humankind.
      > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" organicethics@ wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > Tom, I read the rosicrucian document again, this time as well taking
      > it
      > > 'with a tiny grain of salt'. This is a subject of even greater
      > > complexity, there's no doubt in my mind about it.
      > >
      > > In one of Bradford's post (I'm recollecting it only) there was mention
      > > of one individual (woman?) who when 'inflicted' (assigned?) a physical
      > > stigmata, prayed that it be brought over into the invisible, and it
      > was
      > > done.
      > >
      > > So, I would assume that the Stigmata falls under certain psycho
      > > spiritual laws governing individual spiritual development but that
      > these
      > > are as well intimately connnected with one's bodily constitution and
      > > orientation tendency.
      > >
      > > Ex. How, in the physical organism which you in a certain sense
      > conceived
      > > of and fashioned in association with Heavenly Beings etc prior to
      > > returning to the earth, YOUR soul and spirit now fill it and express
      > all
      > > your life intentions through it's use.
      > >
      > > Are you able to ease your spirit/soul while they occupy your body and
      > > pass over onto a mystical initiation 'state' without too much physical
      > > resistance, or are you so 'stuck' to the outside world (because your
      > > body is) that your initiation carries along with it, physical traits?
      > >
      > > Did your soul/spirit initially maintain itself in a certain pliable
      > > equilibrium between your etheric and physical organisms so that when
      > > initiation time came, you knew how to go about easing over to a more
      > > volatile state, leaving no physical trail as evidence of it?
      > >
      > > (Hope you got that, hope I managed to explain it.)
      > >
      > > The individual who managed to transform her stigmata into an invisible
      > > one may have, through work done on a meditative level, managed to
      > > transform the stronghold which her spiritual soul initially held
      > towards
      > > her physical organism.
      > >
      > > The results of this 'inner work' would most likely be carried over
      > into
      > > this individual's subsequent incarnations. On to the next step for
      > > her...
      > >
      > > Regardless if, because of the direction which my discussion of it has
      > > taken, the physical stigmata appears in a certain sense spiritually
      > > inferior to the invisible one, I will all the same admit that it
      > > represents an exceptional event. (Initiation).
      > >
      > > But that's not all. We must not forget that the Heavenly World does
      > > 'play' a certain kind of magic, trickery etc to catch humankind's
      > > attention, and lure them in a given direction, at decisive moments in
      > > history, as well. The destiny of one with a physical stigmatism likely
      > > doubly acts in this direction, into the domain of the Spirit of the
      > > Time.
      > >
      > > As for the invisible stigmata, I'm wondering if, through the eyes of
      > > occult vision, all who are advanced enough on mystical spiritual
      > paths,
      > > may not be displaying it.
      > >
      > > C.
      > >
      > > PS. Again, I hope this didn't come across too muddled.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "tmasthenes13" TomBuoyed@
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Last week, Bradford quoted from this Rosicrucian document authored
      > by
      > > > Max Heindel (1865-1919) who brought much of Steiner's teachings in
      > > > Europe to the Rosicrucian fellowship in Southern California, along
      > > > with his own communication with the Elder Brothers of Humanity.
      > > >
      > > > In Heindel's book "Ancient and Modern Initiation, " Chapter 7 of
      > Part
      > > > II is entitled "The Stigmata and the Crucifixion"
      > > >
      > > > http://www.rosicrucian.com/ami/amieng02.htm#Part_2_Chapter_7
      > > >
      > > > What Heindel describes is the invisible as well as visible
      > > > manifestations of the Stigmata. The question I have is whether the
      > > > goal of initiation described below in generating the invisible
      > > > stigmata is Gnostic escapism, i.e. severing the Cosmic Christ from
      > the
      > > > physical Jesus (past-oriented) or a genuine integration of the
      > Etheric
      > > > Christ with each and everyone's Physical Body(future-oriented).
      > > >
      > > > Tom
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ==============================================
      > > >
      > > > "We have here the account of how the STIGMATA or punctures were
      > > > produced in the Hero of the Gospels, though the location is not
      > quite
      > > > correctly described, and the process is represented in a narrative
      > > > form differing widely from the manner in which these things really
      > > > happen. But we stand here before one of the Mysteries which must
      > > > remain sealed for the profane, though the underlying mystical facts
      > > > are as plain as daylight to those who know.
      > > >
      > > > The physical body is not by any means the real man. Tangible, solid,
      > > > and pulsating with life as we find it, it is really the most dead
      > part
      > > > of the human being, crystallized into a matrix of finer vehicles
      > which
      > > > are invisible to our ordinary physical sight. If we place a basin of
      > > > water in a freezing temperature, the water soon congeals into ice,
      > and
      > > > when we examine this ice, we find that it is made up of innumerable
      > > > little crystals having various geometrical forms and lines of
      > > > demarcation.
      > > >
      > > > There are etheric lines of forces which were present in the water
      > > > before it congealed. As the water was hardened and molded along
      > these
      > > > lines, so our physical bodies have congealed and solidified along
      > the
      > > > etheric lines of force of our invisible vital body, which is thus in
      > > > the ordinary course of life inextricably bound to the physical body,
      > > > waking or sleeping, until death brings dissolution of the tie.
      > > >
      > > > But as Initiation involves the liberation of the REAL MAN from the
      > > > body of sin and death that he may soar into the subtler spheres at
      > > > will and return to the body at his pleasure, it is obvious that
      > before
      > > > that can be accomplished, before the object of Initiation can be
      > > > attained, the interlocking grip of the physical body and the etheric
      > > > vehicle which is so strong and rigid in ordinary humanity, must be
      > > > dissolved. As they are most closely bound together in the palms of
      > the
      > > > hands, the arches of the feet, and the head, the occult schools
      > > > concentrate their efforts upon severing the connection at these
      > > > points, and produce the STIGMATA invisibly.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > The Christian Mystic lacks knowledge of how to perform the act
      > without
      > > > producing an exterior manifestation. The STIGMATA develop in him
      > > > spontaneously by constant contemplation of Christ and unceasing
      > > > efforts to imitate Him in all things. These exterior STIGMATA
      > comprise
      > > > not only the wounds in the hands and feet and that in the side but
      > > > also those impressed by the crown of thorns and by the scourging.
      > > >
      > > > The most remarkable example of stigmatization is that said to have
      > > > occurred in 1224 to Francis of Assisi on the mountain of Alverno.
      > > > Being absorbed in contemplation of the Passion he saw a seraph
      > > > approaching, blazing with fire and having between its wings the
      > figure
      > > > of the Crucified. St. Francis became aware that in hands, feet, and
      > > > side he had received externally the marks of crucifixion. These
      > marks
      > > > continued during the two years until his death, and are claimed to
      > > > have been seen by many eyewitnesses, including Pope Alexander the
      > > Fourth.
      > > > ==========================================================
      > > >
      > >

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