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  • carol
    Gosh, I really can t beleive the determination of the Neocons. Always applying themselves. LIEBERMAN-KYL AMENDMENT ?? Playing God?? They never stop! It s
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      Gosh, I really can't beleive the determination of the Neocons. Always applying themselves.

      LIEBERMAN-KYL AMENDMENT ??

      Playing God??

      They never stop! It's crazy! This is totally crazy!!

      (Anyways, I'm hoping the East is ONCE AGAIN ready.)

      As for ANY FRIGGIN ANTHRO who dares banalize the extremely precarious situation of OUR collective time, I have this to offer.

      Scientists: Brain injuries from war worse than thought

      ...Military and civilian scientists worry whether a generation of servicemembers could emerge from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars with some form of brain damage steadily more severe.

      Hidden injuries

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-23-traumatic-brain-injuries_N.htm?csp=1

       

    • Stephen Hale
      ... May I remind you that Rudolf Steiner called for a world fellowship of free schools for spiritual science some 87 years ago, and they have done nothing
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        --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...> wrote:
        > As for ANY FRIGGIN ANTHRO who dares banalize the extremely precarious
        > situation of OUR collective time, I have this to offer.
        >
        > Scientists: Brain injuries from war worse than thought

        May I remind you that Rudolf Steiner called for a world fellowship of
        free schools for spiritual science some 87 years ago, and they have
        done nothing about it. They want to keep the anthroposophical society
        small so that the invisible being, anthroposophia, can now come forth
        to salve the savage wounds of a neglect that never had to take place,
        except for the subterfuge of the occultists that still run that
        concrete enterprise under the rulership of the "allgemeine"; the
        association over the General Anthroposophical Society.

        So, if anthros banalize anything to do with the precarious situation
        today, especially those in the west, I would have to wonder about their
        allegiance; their true allegiance. And I do believe that most have it,
        which makes this challenge rather moot, meaningless, insignificant, and
        banal to begin with. I see anthros as quite up-to-date on what's going
        on in the world, and quite concerned about the potential outcomes.
        Thus, it's not a matter of the anthros, but the non-anthros, as always.

        Steve
      • holderlin66
        A Coup Has Occurred http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg2.html Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the secret Pentagon
        Message 3 of 22 , Sep 27, 2007
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          'A Coup Has Occurred'

          http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/ellsberg2.html

          Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked
          the secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered
          insights into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in
          the United States at an American University symposium on September
          20. Below is an edited transcript of Ellsberg's remarkable speech:

          I think nothing has higher priority than averting an attack on Iran,
          which I think will be accompanied by a further change in our way of
          governing here that in effect will convert us into what I would call
          a police state.

          If there's another 9/11 under this regime … it means that they
          switch on full extent all the apparatus of a police state that has
          been patiently constructed, largely secretly at first but eventually
          leaked out and known and accepted by the Democratic people in
          Congress, by the Republicans and so forth.

          Will there be anything left for NSA to increase its surveillance of
          us? … They may be to the limit of their technical capability now, or
          they may not. But if they're not now they will be after another 9/11.

          And I would say after the Iranian retaliation to an American attack
          on Iran, you will then see an increased attack on Iran – an
          escalation – which will be also accompanied by a total suppression
          of dissent in this country, including detention camps.

          It's a little hard for me to distinguish the two contingencies; they
          could come together. Another 9/11 or an Iranian attack in which
          Iran's reaction against Israel, against our shipping, against our
          troops in Iraq above all, possibly in this country, will justify the
          full panoply of measures that have been prepared now, legitimized,
          and to some extent written into law. …

          This is an unusual gang, even for Republicans. [But] I think that
          the successors to this regime are not likely to roll back the
          assault on the Constitution. They will take advantage of it, they
          will exploit it.

          Will Hillary Clinton as president decide to turn off NSA after the
          last five years of illegal surveillance? Will she deprive her
          administration her ability to protect United States citizens from
          possible terrorism by blinding herself and deafening herself to all
          that NSA can provide? I don't think so.

          Unless this somehow, by a change in our political climate, of a
          radical change, unless this gets rolled back in the next year or two
          before a new administration comes in – and there's no move to do
          this at this point – unless that happens I don't see it happening
          under the next administration, whether Republican or Democratic.

          The Next Coup

          Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has
          occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep,
          that a coup has occurred. It's not just a question that a coup lies
          ahead with the next 9/11. That's the next coup, that completes the
          first.

          The last five years have seen a steady assault on every fundamental
          of our Constitution, … what the rest of the world looked at for the
          last 200 years as a model and experiment to the rest of the world –
          in checks and balances, limited government, Bill of Rights,
          individual rights protected from majority infringement by the
          Congress, an independent judiciary, the possibility of impeachment.

          There have been violations of these principles by many presidents
          before. Most of the specific things that Bush has done in the way of
          illegal surveillance and other matters were done under my boss
          Lyndon Johnson in the Vietnam War: the use of CIA, FBI, NSA against
          Americans.

          I could go through a list going back before this century to
          Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus in the Civil War, and before
          that the Alien and Sedition Acts in the 18th century. I think that
          none of those presidents were in fact what I would call quite
          precisely the current administration: domestic enemies of the
          Constitution.

          I think that none of these presidents with all their violations,
          which were impeachable had they been found out at the time and in
          nearly every case their violations were not found out until they
          were out of office so we didn't have the exact challenge that we
          have today.

          That was true with the first term of Nixon and certainly of Johnson,
          Kennedy and others. They were impeachable, they weren't found out in
          time, but I think it was not their intention to, in the crisis
          situations that they felt justified their actions, to change our
          form of government.

          It is increasingly clear with each new book and each new leak that
          comes out, that Richard Cheney and his now chief of staff David
          Addington have had precisely that in mind since at least the early
          70s. Not just since 1992, not since 2001, but have believed in
          Executive government, single-branch government under an Executive
          president – elected or not – with unrestrained powers. They did not
          believe in restraint.

          When I say this I'm not saying they are traitors. I don't think they
          have in mind allegiance to some foreign power or have a desire to
          help a foreign power. I believe they have in their own minds a love
          of this country and what they think is best for this country – but
          what they think is best is directly and consciously at odds with
          what the Founders of this country and Constitution thought.

          They believe we need a different kind of government now, an
          Executive government essentially, rule by decree, which is what
          we're getting with signing statements. Signing statements are talked
          about as line-item vetoes which is one [way] of describing them
          which are unconstitutional in themselves, but in other ways are just
          saying the president says "I decide what I enforce. I decide what
          the law is. I legislate."

          It's [the same] with the military commissions, courts that are under
          the entire control of the Executive Branch, essentially of the
          president. A concentration of legislative, judicial, and executive
          powers in one branch, which is precisely what the Founders meant to
          avert, and tried to avert and did avert to the best of their ability
          in the Constitution.

          Founders Had It Right

          Now I'm referring to that as a crisis right now not just because it
          is a break in tradition but because I believe in my heart and from
          my experience that on this point the Founders had it right.

          It's not just "our way of doing things" – it was a crucial
          perception on the corruption of power to anybody including
          Americans. On procedures and institutions that might possibly keep
          that power under control because the alternative was what we have
          just seen, wars like Vietnam, wars like Iraq, wars like the one
          coming.

          That brings me to the second point. This Executive Branch, under
          specifically Bush and Cheney, despite opposition from most of the
          rest of the branch, even of the cabinet, clearly intends a war
          against Iran which even by imperialist standards, standards in other
          words which were accepted not only by nearly everyone in the
          Executive Branch but most of the leaders in Congress. The interests
          of the empire, the need for hegemony, our right to control and our
          need to control the oil of the Middle East and many other places.
          That is consensual in our establishment. …

          But even by those standards, an attack on Iran is insane. And I say
          that quietly, I don't mean it to be heard as rhetoric. Of course
          it's not only aggression and a violation of international law, a
          supreme international crime, but it is by imperial standards, insane
          in terms of the consequences.

          Does that make it impossible? No, it obviously doesn't, it doesn't
          even make it unlikely.

          That is because two things come together that with the acceptance
          for various reasons of the Congress – Democrats and Republicans –
          and the public and the media, we have freed the White House – the
          president and the vice president – from virtually any restraint by
          Congress, courts, media, public, whatever.

          And on the other hand, the people who have this unrestrained power
          are crazy. Not entirely, but they have crazy beliefs.

          And the question is what then, what can we do about this? We are
          heading towards an insane operation. It is not certain. It is
          likely. … I want to try to be realistic myself here, to encourage us
          to do what we must do, what is needed to be done with the full
          recognition of the reality. Nothing is impossible.

          What I'm talking about in the way of a police state, in the way of
          an attack on Iran is not certain. Nothing is certain, actually.
          However, I think it is probable, more likely than not, that in the
          next 15, 16 months of this administration we will see an attack on
          Iran. Probably. Whatever we do.

          And … we will not succeed in moving Congress probably, and Congress
          probably will not stop the president from doing this. And that's
          where we're heading. That's a very ugly, ugly prospect.

          However, I think it's up to us to work to increase that small
          perhaps – anyway not large – possibility and probability to avert
          this within the next 15 months, aside from the effort that we have
          to make for the rest of our lives.

          Restoring the Republic

          Getting back the constitutional government and improving it will
          take a long time. And I think if we don't get started now, it won't
          be started under the next administration.

          Getting out of Iraq will take a long time. Averting Iran and
          averting a further coup in the face of a 9/11, another attack, is
          for right now, it can't be put off. It will take a kind of political
          and moral courage of which we have seen very little…

          We have a really unusual concentration here and in this audience, of
          people who have in fact changed their lives, changed their position,
          lost their friends to a large extent, risked and experienced being
          called terrible names, "traitor," "weak on terrorism" – names that
          politicians will do anything to avoid being called.

          How do we get more people in the government and in the public at
          large to change their lives now in a crisis in a critical way? How
          do we get Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid for example? What kinds of
          pressures, what kinds of influences can be brought to bear to get
          Congress to do their jobs? It isn't just doing their jobs. Getting
          them to obey their oaths of office.

          I took an oath many times, an oath of office as a Marine lieutenant,
          as an official in the Defense Department, as an official in the
          State Department as a Foreign Service officer. A number of times I
          took an oath of office which is the same oath office taken by every
          member of Congress and every official in the United States and every
          officer in the United States armed services.

          And that oath is not to a Commander in Chief, which is not
          mentioned. It is not to a Führer. It is not even to superior
          officers. The oath is precisely to protect and uphold the
          Constitution of the United States.

          Now that is an oath I violated every day for years in the Defense
          Department without realizing it when I kept my mouth shut when I
          knew the public was being lied into a war as they were lied into
          Iraq, as they are being lied into war in Iran.

          I knew that I had the documents that proved it, and I did not put it
          out then. I was not obeying my oath which I eventually came to do.

          I've often said that Lt. Ehren Watada – who still faces trial for
          refusing to obey orders to deploy to Iraq which he correctly
          perceives to be an unconstitutional and aggressive war – is the
          single officer in the United States armed services who is taking
          seriously upholding his oath.

          The president is clearly violating that oath, of course. Everybody
          under him who understands what is going on and there are myriad, are
          violating their oaths. And that's the standard that I think we
          should be asking of people.

          Congressional Courage

          On the Democratic side, on the political side, I think we should be
          demanding of our Democratic leaders in the House and Senate – and
          frankly of the Republicans – that it is not their highest single
          absolute priority to be reelected or to maintain a Democratic
          majority so that Pelosi can still be Speaker of the House and Reid
          can be in the Senate, or to increase that majority.

          I'm not going to say that for politicians they should ignore that,
          or that they should do something else entirely, or that they should
          not worry about that.

          Of course that will be and should be a major concern of theirs, but
          they're acting like it's their sole concern. Which is business as
          usual. "We have a majority, let's not lose it, let's keep it. Let's
          keep those chairmanships." Exactly what have those chairmanships
          done for us to save the Constitution in the last couple of years?

          I am shocked by the Republicans today that I read in the Washington
          Post who yesterday threatened a filibuster if we … get back habeas
          corpus. The ruling out of habeas corpus with the help of the
          Democrats did not get us back to George the First it got us back to
          before King John 700 years ago in terms of counter-revolution.

          We need some way, and Ann Wright has one way, of sitting in, in
          Conyers office and getting arrested. Ray McGovern has been getting
          arrested, pushed out the other day for saying the simple
          words "swear him in" when it came to testimony.

          I think we've got to somehow get home to them [in Congress] that
          this is the time for them to uphold the oath, to preserve the
          Constitution, which is worth struggling for in part because it's
          only with the power that the Constitution gives Congress responding
          to the public, only with that can we protect the world from mad men
          in power in the White House who intend an attack on Iran.

          And the current generation of American generals and others who
          realize that this will be a catastrophe have not shown themselves –
          they might be people who in their past lives risked their bodies and
          their lives in Vietnam or elsewhere, like [Colin] Powell, and would
          not risk their career or their relation with the president to the
          slightest degree.

          That has to change. And it's the example of people like those up
          here who somehow brought home to our representatives that they as
          humans and as citizens have the power to do likewise and find in
          themselves the courage to protect this country and protect the
          world. Thank you.
        • holderlin66
          Living with Ahrimanic intentions and the vain last straws of retaining our humanity. Labor Day weekend incident was a revolt by US Air Force and other US
          Message 4 of 22 , Sep 27, 2007
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            Living with Ahrimanic intentions and the vain last straws of retaining our humanity.

            Labor Day weekend incident was a revolt by US Air Force and other US intelligence agencies against Bush-Cheney plans for pre-emptive nuclear and conventional strike on Iran.

            http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/09/lost-b-52-nuke-cruise-missiles-were-on.html

            WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

            However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community.

            Yesterday, the Washington Post attempted to explain away the fact that America's nuclear command and control system broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of "security failures at multiple levels." It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control chain-of-command "failures" but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional
            weapons.

            The Washington Post story on BENT SPEAR may have actually been an effort in damage control by the Bush administration. WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE.

            Just as this report was being prepared, Newsweek reported that Vice President Dick Cheney's recently-departed Middle East adviser, David Wurmser, told a small group of advisers some months ago that Cheney had considered asking Israel to launch a missile attack on the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian retaliatory strike, the United States would have ample reasons to launch its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for Israel to attack Iran directly were altered to an Israeli attack on a supposed Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear installation in northern Syria.

            WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush's three remaining "Axis of Evil" states -- Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on Iran.

            WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the Atlantic that there was a definite connection between Israel's OPERATION ORCHARD and BENT SPEAR involving the B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There is also a connection between these two events as the Pentagon's highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compartmented U.S. Air Force program that has been working on an attack plan for Iran since June 2007, around the same time that Cheney was working on the joint Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran.

            PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the Times of London, is a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who, astoundingly, is now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran that involves a "decapitating" blow on Iran by hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on the B-52 nuclear weapons incident.

            Kass' area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring "information blockades," such as that imposed by the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian "nuclear installation." British intelligence sources have reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other.

            The other part of CHECKMATE's brief is to ensure that a media "perception management" is waged against Syria, Iran, and North Korea. This involves articles such as that which appeared with Joby Warrick's and Walter Pincus' bylines in yesterdays Washington Post. The article, titled "The Saga of a Bent Spear," quotes a number of seasoned Air Force nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is unprecedented in the history of the Air Force. For example, Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the "nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware of an incident "more disturbing."

            Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear weapons are unprecedented, except for that fact that the U.S. military is now waging an internal war against neo-cons who are embedded in the U.S. government and military chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive war with Iran.

            CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a probability. Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.

            Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear incident from the media, anonymous Air Force personnel leaked the story to Military Times on September 5, the day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear installation in Syria and the day planned for the simultaneous U.S. attack on Iran. The leaking of classified information on U.S. nuclear weapons disposition or movement to the media, is, itself, unprecedented. Air Force regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE reports to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure of classified Air Force information to the media.

            In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked an outside inquiry board to look into BENT SPEAR, even before the Air Force has completed its own investigation, a virtual vote of no confidence in the official investigation being conducted by Major General Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the Air Combat Command.

            Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired General Larry Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task force that will also look into the BENT SPEAR incident. The official Air Force investigation has reportedly been delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-funded research contractor that operates three research centers, including one for Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President and another for the National Security Agency. One of the board members of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital Group and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James Woolsey.

            WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the State Department nor the British Foreign Office were privy to OPERATION ORCHARD, although Hadley briefed President Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that showed the Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built with North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is puzzling why Hadley would rely on Israeli imagery intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK (Horizon) 7 satellite when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have greater capabilities.

            The Air Force's "information warfare" campaign against media reports on CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also affected international reporting of the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA controls, similar to those that the United States wants imposed on Iran and North Korea. The resolution also called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle East. The IAEA's resolution, titled "Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East," was passed by the 144-member IAEA General Meeting on September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2, with 47 abstentions. The only two countries to vote against were Israel and the United States. However, the story carried from the IAEA meeting in Vienna by Reuters, the Associated Press, and Agence France Press, was that it was Arab and Islamic nations that voted for the resolution.

            This was yet more perception management carried out by CHECKMATE, the White House, and their allies in Europe and Israel with the connivance of the media. In fact, among the 53 nations that voted for the resolution were China, Russia, India, Ireland, and Japan. The 47 abstentions were described as votes "against" the resolution even though an abstention is neither a vote for nor against a measure. America's close allies, including Britain, France, Australia, Canada, and Georgia, all abstained.

            Suspiciously, the IAEA carried only a brief item on the resolution concerning Israel's nuclear program and a roll call vote was not available either at the IAEA's web site -- www.iaea.org -- or in the media.

            The perception management campaign by the neocon operational cells in the Bush administration, Israel and Europe was designed to keep a focus on Iran's nuclear program, not on Israel's. Any international examination of Israel's nuclear weapons program would likely bring up Israeli nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu, a covert from Judaism to Christianity, who was kidnapped in Rome by a Mossad "honey trap" named Cheryl Bentov (aka, Cindy) and a Mossad team in 1986 and held against his will in Israel ever since.

            Vanunu's knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons program would focus on the country's own role in nuclear proliferation, including its program to share nuclear weapons technology with apartheid South Africa and Taiwan in the late 1970s and 1980s. The role of Ronald Reagan's Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman in Israeli's nuclear proliferation during the time frame 1983-1987 would also come under scrutiny. Adelman, a member of the Reagan-Bush transition State Department team from November 1980 to January 1981, voiced his understanding for the nuclear weapons programs of Israel, South Africa, and Taiwan in a June 28, 1981 New York Times article titled, "3 Nations Widening Nuclear Contacts." The journalist who wrote the article was Judith Miller. Adelman felt that the three countries wanted nuclear weapons because of their ostracism from the West, the third world, and the hostility from the Communist countries. Of course, today, the same argument can be used by Iran, North Korea, and other "Axis of Evil" nations so designated by the neocons in the Bush administration and other governments.

            There are also news reports that suggest an intelligence relationship between Israel and North Korea. On July 21, 2004, New Zealand's Dominion Post reported that three Mossad agents were involved in espionage in New Zealand. Two of the Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Elisha Cara (aka Kra), were arrested and imprisoned by New Zealand police (an Israeli diplomat in Canberra, Amir Lati, was expelled by Australia and New Zealand intelligence identified a fourth Mossad agent involved in the New Zealand espionage operation in Singapore). The third Mossad agent in New Zealand, Zev William Barkan (aka Lev Bruckenstein), fled New Zealand -- for North Korea.

            New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff revealed that Barkan, a former Israeli Navy diver, had previously worked at the Israeli embassy in Vienna, which is also the headquarters of the IAEA. He was cited by the /Sydney Morning Herald/ as trafficking in passports stolen from foreign tourists in Thailand, Myanmar,
            Laos, and Cambodia. New Zealand's One News reported that Barkan was in North Korea to help the nation build a wall to keep its citizens from leaving.

            The nuclear brinkmanship involving the United States and Israel and the breakdown in America's command and control systems have every major capital around the world wondering about the Bush administration's true intentions.

          • carol
            I m not falling for those interpretations. I ve been out flicking around trying to see if anyone has a better intuition. Some guy in India presented his point
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              I'm not falling for those interpretations. I've been out flicking around trying to see if anyone has a better intuition.

              Some guy in India presented his point on a forum that the 'Zeocoms' stole it from the military, because that's about the only way they could get their hands on it and do what they want with it.

              (There were no comments following his initial point)

              That sounds (to me) like what FIRST happened.

              Then they secretly sent it out, but the mission FAILED.

              What was the mission? MISCHEIF I imagine.

              It failed, it was overriden. By the US military? I doubt that. I lean towards readiness and technique coming from the other side of the world...

              But, these guys are back up on their feet, feeding themselves and force feeding us the great big 'Ahrimanic pie'.

              I'm so upset. While this is going on, they keep at rocking our etheric systems with electro-magnetic chaos.

              Two individuals extremely close to me, one younger, the other older both by 12 years, are starting chemotherapy this month...

              "Council on Foreign Relations member Gary Hart, famed for stating that Americans will die en- mass on home soil this century,..."

              Tacit warning to Iranian government suggests staged event may be used to ensure "bombs fall on your head"

              http://infowars.net/articles/september2007/270907Hart.htm

               

               

               

               

               


              --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...> wrote:
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              > Living with Ahrimanic intentions and the vain last straws of retaining
              > our humanity.
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              > Labor Day weekend incident was a revolt by US Air Force and other US
              > intelligence agencies against Bush-Cheney plans for pre-emptive nuclear
              > and conventional strike on Iran.
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              > http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/09/lost-b-52-nuke-cruise-missiles\
              > -were-on.html
              > <http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/09/lost-b-52-nuke-cruise-missile\
              > s-were-on.html>
              >
              > WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52
              > transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed
              > with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the
              > Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.
              >
              > However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence
              > agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the
              > nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition
              > within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community.
              >
              > Yesterday, the Washington Post attempted to explain away the fact that
              > America's nuclear command and control system broke down in an
              > unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of "security
              > failures at multiple levels." It is now apparent that the command and
              > control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of
              > Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control
              > chain-of-command "failures" but the result of a revolt and push back by
              > various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against
              > a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional
              > weapons.
              >
              > The Washington Post story on BENT SPEAR may have actually been an effort
              > in damage control by the Bush administration. WMR has been informed by a
              > knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles
              > was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear
              > reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National
              > Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special
              > classification of PINNACLE.
              >
              > Just as this report was being prepared, Newsweek reported that Vice
              > President Dick Cheney's recently-departed Middle East adviser, David
              > Wurmser, told a small group of advisers some months ago that Cheney had
              > considered asking Israel to launch a missile attack on the Iranian
              > nuclear site at Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian
              > retaliatory strike, the United States would have ample reasons to launch
              > its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for Israel to attack Iran
              > directly were altered to an Israeli attack on a supposed
              > Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear installation in northern Syria.
              >
              > WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and
              > conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6
              > air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near
              > the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border.
              > Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason
              > for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught
              > was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush's three remaining "Axis
              > of Evil" states -- Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a
              > sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on
              > Iran.
              >
              > WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the Atlantic that
              > there was a definite connection between Israel's OPERATION ORCHARD and
              > BENT SPEAR involving the B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise
              > missiles from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There
              > is also a connection between these two events as the Pentagon's
              > highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compartmented U.S. Air Force
              > program that has been working on an attack plan for Iran since June
              > 2007, around the same time that Cheney was working on the joint
              > Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran.
              >
              > PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric
              > Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the Times of London, is
              > a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed
              > by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr.
              > Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who,
              > astoundingly, is now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive
              > military attack on Iran that involves a "decapitating" blow on Iran by
              > hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem
              > and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General
              > Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on
              > the B-52 nuclear weapons incident.
              >
              > Kass' area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring
              > "information blockades," such as that imposed by the Israeli government
              > on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged
              > Syrian "nuclear installation." British intelligence sources have
              > reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack
              > originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S.
              > Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed
              > AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria
              > in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and
              > Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other.
              >
              > The other part of CHECKMATE's brief is to ensure that a media
              > "perception management" is waged against Syria, Iran, and North Korea.
              > This involves articles such as that which appeared with Joby Warrick's
              > and Walter Pincus' bylines in yesterdays Washington Post. The article,
              > titled "The Saga of a Bent Spear," quotes a number of seasoned Air Force
              > nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is unprecedented
              > in the history of the Air Force. For example, Retired Air Force General
              > Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he
              > has been in the "nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware
              > of an incident "more disturbing."
              >
              > Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear weapons are
              > unprecedented, except for that fact that the U.S. military is now waging
              > an internal war against neo-cons who are embedded in the U.S. government
              > and military chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons in
              > a pre-emptive war with Iran.
              >
              > CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a
              > pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT
              > SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack
              > on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources,
              > Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the
              > CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli
              > intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the
              > Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political
              > adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli
              > political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader
              > Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who
              > did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting
              > that war with Iran was a probability. Kouchner retracted his statement
              > after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.
              >
              > Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear incident from the
              > media, anonymous Air Force personnel leaked the story to Military Times
              > on September 5, the day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear
              > installation in Syria and the day planned for the simultaneous U.S.
              > attack on Iran. The leaking of classified information on U.S. nuclear
              > weapons disposition or movement to the media, is, itself, unprecedented.
              > Air Force regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE reports
              > to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure of classified Air
              > Force information to the media.
              >
              > In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked
              > an outside inquiry board to look into BENT SPEAR, even before the Air
              > Force has completed its own investigation, a virtual vote of no
              > confidence in the official investigation being conducted by Major
              > General Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the Air
              > Combat Command.
              >
              > Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired General Larry
              > Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task force that will also look
              > into the BENT SPEAR incident. The official Air Force investigation has
              > reportedly been delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO
              > of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-funded research
              > contractor that operates three research centers, including one for
              > Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the
              > President and another for the National Security Agency. One of the board
              > members of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital Group
              > and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James Woolsey.
              >
              > WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the State Department
              > nor the British Foreign Office were privy to OPERATION ORCHARD, although
              > Hadley briefed President Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that
              > showed the Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built with
              > North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is puzzling why Hadley
              > would rely on Israeli imagery intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK
              > (Horizon) 7 satellite when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have
              > greater capabilities.
              >
              > The Air Force's "information warfare" campaign against media reports on
              > CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also affected international reporting of
              > the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking
              > Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA controls, similar
              > to those that the United States wants imposed on Iran and North Korea.
              > The resolution also called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle
              > East. The IAEA's resolution, titled "Application of IAEA Safeguards in
              > the Middle East," was passed by the 144-member IAEA General Meeting on
              > September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2, with 47 abstentions. The only two
              > countries to vote against were Israel and the United States. However,
              > the story carried from the IAEA meeting in Vienna by Reuters, the
              > Associated Press, and Agence France Press, was that it was Arab and
              > Islamic nations that voted for the resolution.
              >
              > This was yet more perception management carried out by CHECKMATE, the
              > White House, and their allies in Europe and Israel with the connivance
              > of the media. In fact, among the 53 nations that voted for the
              > resolution were China, Russia, India, Ireland, and Japan. The 47
              > abstentions were described as votes "against" the resolution even though
              > an abstention is neither a vote for nor against a measure. America's
              > close allies, including Britain, France, Australia, Canada, and Georgia,
              > all abstained.
              >
              > Suspiciously, the IAEA carried only a brief item on the resolution
              > concerning Israel's nuclear program and a roll call vote was not
              > available either at the IAEA's web site -- www.iaea.org
              > <http://www.iaea.org/> -- or in the media.
              >
              > The perception management campaign by the neocon operational cells in
              > the Bush administration, Israel and Europe was designed to keep a focus
              > on Iran's nuclear program, not on Israel's. Any international
              > examination of Israel's nuclear weapons program would likely bring up
              > Israeli nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu, a covert from Judaism to
              > Christianity, who was kidnapped in Rome by a Mossad "honey trap" named
              > Cheryl Bentov (aka, Cindy) and a Mossad team in 1986 and held against
              > his will in Israel ever since.
              >
              > Vanunu's knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons program would focus on
              > the country's own role in nuclear proliferation, including its program
              > to share nuclear weapons technology with apartheid South Africa and
              > Taiwan in the late 1970s and 1980s. The role of Ronald Reagan's Director
              > of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman in Israeli's
              > nuclear proliferation during the time frame 1983-1987 would also come
              > under scrutiny. Adelman, a member of the Reagan-Bush transition State
              > Department team from November 1980 to January 1981, voiced his
              > understanding for the nuclear weapons programs of Israel, South Africa,
              > and Taiwan in a June 28, 1981 New York Times article titled, "3 Nations
              > Widening Nuclear Contacts." The journalist who wrote the article was
              > Judith Miller. Adelman felt that the three countries wanted nuclear
              > weapons because of their ostracism from the West, the third world, and
              > the hostility from the Communist countries. Of course, today, the same
              > argument can be used by Iran, North Korea, and other "Axis of Evil"
              > nations so designated by the neocons in the Bush administration and
              > other governments.
              >
              > There are also news reports that suggest an intelligence relationship
              > between Israel and North Korea. On July 21, 2004, New Zealand's Dominion
              > Post reported that three Mossad agents were involved in espionage in New
              > Zealand. Two of the Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Elisha Cara (aka
              > Kra), were arrested and imprisoned by New Zealand police (an Israeli
              > diplomat in Canberra, Amir Lati, was expelled by Australia and New
              > Zealand intelligence identified a fourth Mossad agent involved in the
              > New Zealand espionage operation in Singapore). The third Mossad agent in
              > New Zealand, Zev William Barkan (aka Lev Bruckenstein), fled New Zealand
              > -- for North Korea.
              >
              > New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff revealed that Barkan, a former
              > Israeli Navy diver, had previously worked at the Israeli embassy in
              > Vienna, which is also the headquarters of the IAEA. He was cited by the
              > /Sydney Morning Herald/ as trafficking in passports stolen from foreign
              > tourists in Thailand, Myanmar,
              > Laos, and Cambodia. New Zealand's One News reported that Barkan was in
              > North Korea to help the nation build a wall to keep its citizens from
              > leaving.
              >
              > The nuclear brinkmanship involving the United States and Israel and the
              > breakdown in America's command and control systems have every major
              > capital around the world wondering about the Bush administration's true
              > intentions.
              >

            • holderlin66
              1997/98, sure we can say, In 1998 we had the Iraq Liberation Act but the preparation for this nifty Sorathian Surge.. was the PNAC and at least a dozen times
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                1997/98, sure we can say, "In 1998 we had the Iraq Liberation Act"
                but the preparation for this nifty Sorathian Surge.. was the PNAC
                and at least a dozen times I have presented the Surge stormfront as
                the PNAC or Project for a New Ahrimanic Century. Ahriman's throne,
                Ahriman's John the Baptists - Neocon or Nazi, interchangeable, Good
                Germans or Good sleeping Anthros, not much said, MSM a full
                Orwellian Propaganda arm of the Government.

                Propaganda 'Mother Night' from Kurt Vonnegutt Talk Radio and
                simmering stupidity of America. Over and over and over again
                simmering stupidity of the Press and America as if numb-dumbness was
                the true calling of humanity.

                Ron Paul the only candidate with a rational intelligence is black
                listed by the Israel lobby who holds the pockets and hearts and
                hands of both Republican and Democrat candidates treason filled
                whore mongers. 9/11 a black op false flag operation. The London
                bombings a black op false flag operation. Spain train bombings, a
                black op false flag. Attempts to sneak a nuclear warhead into Syria,
                an inside house black ops operation. Internal Iraq bombings,
                shootings, mostly black op planned disruption of the middle east
                into a blood lust to kill and murder Iran. Israel, now the booty of
                Ahrimanic Mossad and disgusting lies. Ahriman has retaken the
                geographic space where Golgotha took place and poisoned it. Ahriman
                has gone after the Islam that had thwarted it in 666. Ahriman has
                torn into Perisa and where Zarathustra planned for the incarnation
                into the Jesus being, and the Angels hovered over the now sorry mess
                of Israel. The global throne of Ahriman will not be limited to just
                the U.S. The U.S. is the force of Fear, the boot, the grinding
                sadism of materialism itself, stamping and rammming Ahriman's foot
                into every economic system....unless we could have faced Ahriman and
                laughed at his goose stepping clumsiness at attempting to be a Human
                Being. Good Germans and Good Americans unable to force the liars and
                Ahrimanic mug squad, mass murderers and War Criminals out in the
                streets and string them up for their lies.

                Oh and did I mention Michaelmas and voice and spine of courage to
                recognize and resist such cognitive Ahrimanic poison? I guess I
                forgot. There is all that and then there is the Stigmata and the
                precise weapons of Michael, the science of the spirit.

                It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again.

                The Lieberman/Kyl amendment passed in the Senate
                http://tinyurl.com/28qy8k yesterday. Basically it is about
                combating and containing Iran. Iran isn't actually doing anything
                but they need to be stopped anyway because they are part of an
                overall plan and that plan hasn't really got anything to do with
                what any of the targets involved are engaged in. They are just there
                as parts of the plan and the plan demands that they be presented as
                obstacles to the plan so that they can be rearranged according to
                plan. That's clear isn't it?

                http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/

                In 1998 we had the Iraq Liberation Act. Now we have the
                Lieberman/Kyl amendment, courtesy of Israeli sock puppet, Smokin'
                Joe Lieberman. It's like déjà vu all over again as the redoubtable
                Yogi Berra once said.

                A big part of the déjà vu all over again factor is that Hillary
                Clinton, who voted to go to war against Iraq and has, more or less,
                admitted that she was wrong about that has now started voting for
                the same thing all over again for Iran. So did Harry Reid and 26
                other `democratic' senators. There is no more America in the sense
                that one might have understood it to be. That's gone.

                There is no more democratic process. There is no more freedom except
                to do as you are told. The Democrats swept into congress on an anti-
                war `get out of Iraq' sentiment expressed by the American people at
                the polls. It was a clear hope in the minds of the majority of
                Americans that this would lead also to penetrating investigations
                into the secret apparatus of a criminal administration and thereby
                to impeachment proceedings as well. Something… someone… stopped it
                all dead.

                Bad shit is twisting in the wind. Horrible possibilities are afoot.
                Fountain pens filled with human blood are dancing across documents
                filled with a dense fabric of words that twist like venomous snakes
                across the page. Signatures… handshakes… cocktails in the VIP
                lounge… hail fellows, well met, exchange crocodile smiles as the
                promise of black bags filled with cash are dancing like sugar plums
                in their minds. They know what's up; you don't. Everything is just
                the way it is supposed to be… all over again.

                They didn't win the war in Afghanistan. They are not winning the war
                in Iraq. It's time to move on to another war in a country with a
                much stronger military, more people and much more land. It's time to
                really pound the living shit out of someone and that someone, is
                Iran.

                It's another war based on the same lies that started the other wars
                and it's going to be an economic boomtown; quite literally. It's
                going to go `BOOM!' and money and freedom and the grace of God are
                going to come down like bloody confetti as if Mount St. Helens had
                gone off all over again.

                One million dead Iraqis is not enough. A human crisis of four
                million homeless Iraqis is not enough. The genocide in Gaza and the
                West Bank is not enough. The murderous assault on Lebanon was not
                enough. Never mind that the residents of Iraq had nothing to do with
                requesting this kindness. Never mind that the residents of Gaza and
                the West Bank had nothing to do with requesting this kindness. Never
                mind that the residents of Lebanon had nothing to do with requesting
                this kindness… just never mind. Stick those ear-buds back into place
                and turn on the GameBoy.

                Hot searing agony… women and children and men… lives ripped apart…
                body parts flying… the wailing of the survivors, their lives
                bleeding away into the sand. All of this constructed for the profit
                and entertainment of the men and women for whom this is just
                business as usual… all over again.

                Private Contractors shooting women, children and men for sport… free
                from all legal complication… `Rape and pillage, rape and pillage,
                let's go out and burn a native village. You can't have one, you
                can't have one, you can't have one without the other…'

                Don't ask yourself why. You don't want to know why. Don't wonder why
                private contractors exceed the number of troops and why they are
                paid obscene amounts of money while the soldiers subsist on poverty
                pay. Don't question what Custer Battles and Bechtel and Halliburton
                and others have been up to. Don't ask, don't tell and don't look.
                What would Jesus do? Jesus wept.

                Fat, red-cheeked, Christian ministers with a flash of gold at the
                wrist exhort the faithful that it is God's will that these heathens
                must burn in Hell fire on Earth. Afterwards they frolic with young
                boys and girls and sleep on black bag pillows filled with cash. The
                rapture is coming… the rapture is coming…

                And the media is all the same media and the lies are all the same
                lies and the walking dead, no longer American flesh-bots parade in
                their quivering Jello suits; these steamer trunk bodies of the over-
                fed, unthinking prisoners of runaway appetite. WE ARE THE EMPIRE!!!

                In countries around the globe, dishonorable men and women sell their
                souls for black bags filled with cash and promises of more to come
                while millions await the price they have to pay so that these bloat-
                bags of false gravitas can dine in the High Tower far above the
                carnage and the torment.

                Step by step… the same thing all over again. On the one hand, a
                nation of self-indulgent fools, seduced by vapid entertainments and
                obvious lies, step back and let the murders continue and increase as
                they lose everything that made their excesses possible. On the other
                hand… terror and torture and want. It's like a movie we were
                watching and then we turned around and found ourselves inside of it.

                But you know what I'm talking about. You KNOW. Deep inside you know
                that this is wrong. It takes more than what you are, what you have
                become, to stand forth and be counted against it. It's the easier
                way for each of you to hide among the millions and risk the odds
                that you won't be seen and known for the coward that you are. Later
                you can tell the tale of how you did everything you could. Later you
                can manufacture and embellish the lie of how you were among the few
                who found their courage in the final hour; no, you will tell us all
                how steadfast you were at the start and how steadfast you remained.

                There are others who laugh at this. There are others who sneer and
                mock and make light of every dreadful moment as each new one exceeds
                the other. I don't know what to make of either of you. You have made
                something of yourselves that I cannot define. Neither fit into a
                category that is recognizably human as I understand it.

                There is a Sufi tale of a master who had three disciples. He gave
                each of them a chicken and told them to go and kill it where no one
                could see them. Two of the disciples came back fairly quickly with a
                dead chicken. The third did not come back for a long time and when
                he returned he still had the live chicken in his hands. The master
                asked him what had happened. The disciple answered. "I could not do
                it master. Everywhere I went the chicken could see."
              • holderlin66
                The Power of Nightmares http://novakeo.com/?p=131
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                • tmasthenes13
                  ... =================== Yo Brad, I had trouble connecting with the above video, but then down at the bottom, this ad caught my eye: It s a new movie called
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                    --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > The Power of Nightmares
                    >
                    > http://novakeo.com/?p=131

                    ===================

                    Yo Brad,

                    I had trouble connecting with the above video, but then down at the
                    bottom, this ad caught my eye:

                    It's a new movie called "The God who wasn't there."

                    http://www.thegodmovie.com/
                  • holderlin66
                    The Power of Nightmares http://novakeo.com/?p=131 Let us review Part I of the Power of Nightmare for those are unable to garnish
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                      http://novakeo.com/?p=131

                      Let us review Part I of the Power of Nightmare for those are unable to garnish the clues of the Political, Fundamental and Jihad worlds that are leading up to the false Armageddon like events planned by operative black operations coming from Dick Cheney - Israel - Britain and MI 5 right to the doorstep of Today.

                      Firstly "GunSmoke" and "Perry Mason" if you are a newbie in the universe this would all have no meaning to you. But before we tackle "Gunsmoke" and "Perry Mason" we must just give a brief survival guide to Leo Strauss.  There is a great deal of ancient research on this list regarding Leo Strauss... But lets reduce it down to the thing that concerns Anthroposophists.  Leo Strauss was Platonist or rather a neoplatonist who survived Nazi Weimar and came to Chicago where I was born.

                      Weimar, where in fact Goethe and Steiner confronted Mephisto/Ahriman and in fact the fall of of Weimar and the struggle and model of the struggle that now faces Neocons arrived early in a Nazi package and military and idealist regalia that made all the Good Germans fall asleep into Ahrimanic rigidification and as being discussed, Ahrimanic amoral, abstract Nationalistic pride in zilch.  A zilch content, with a zilch, meaning less than zero, cold, icy amoral Will to Power as a category of ice-cold anti-ethics.  And that in essence defines the courting and current election and absolute disaster that America finds itself in with the current Neocon take over of American policy and the utter disaster of blatant lies from Hilary, Obama and the whole sorry lot of Perry Mason, little Ahrimanic mouthpieces, trained on mere political Intellectual Soul atheism sprung from the grave of Perry Mason and Leo Strauss.

                      The Power of Nightmares makes a real clear comparison between the religious right and the Jihadists and how they rose as reactions to something in themselves, FEAR. And the only,  mark this the only turd of truth here, I mean the only powerful bait that finds itself in communication with both sides is this:  From the Spiritual World and from the first Michael Round we understand that we come to Earth from the Spiritual World. Now once on Earth, as dumbness prevails, the fundamental desire to recapture the lost, really lost, totally darkened memory of the divine, is to say, something vague and immensely stupid about Jesus, God, communists, evil, homos.... and of course liberals.  All of these hot button issues are the immense stupid buttons that create in Amerika, the fundamentalist Good American that is no better than the Good German that allowed the disaster of Europe to unfold. 

                      However there is this amazing diagnostic and dangerous prognosis of the infection of materialism itself, materialistic attitudes, western attitudes, generated out of the west and into every Moslem soul or American soul.  Ahriman had to quickly attempt to spin this because there is a materialistic infection that is spread by the west and if it really ever became utterly fixed, The Matrix is the exact world of the Ahrimanic wetdream that hides behind Neocon and Nazi alike. 

                      However in Iran and the great spokesperson who began to really call America the Great Satan because of the infection of the materialism, echoed down the halls of time, the once pure force that resisted Sorat's incursion..... However in both cases, the Christian Right Americanism and the Moslem Jihadist there is this buried, buried deader than a dog bone, buried and dumbed down, lost, and splintered view of the fact that indeed there is a Spiritual World -  So we can reduce this entire memory to a tiny beer bottle cap and a dashboard Jesus.  We can lose any i am discerning education and lose all potential to approach Michael insights and reduce everything down to God this and God that which sometimes is one of the most annoying sounds and immature talk back returns that we can hear from friends and people we love. 

                      Leo was a flunked and failed German neoplatonist who escaped to the West and nursed something that Steiner refused to nurse.  Steiner did not nurse the theory that intelligent people, the governing and rich shit aristocracy are full of great wisdom while the idiotic and uneducated masses are too dumb to know deeper and richer spiritual facts and histories.  Steiner did not nurse such an immature fiction and pablum that catered to some elite group, but rather Steiner saw both the Shepherds and the Kings and both Buddha and Zarathustra at the foundations of the might Christ Event, and that these two streams in humanity could and should unite in the power of the great vision of Spiritual, cognitive truth and the Education of the Human Race.

                      Steiner gave it out, to everyone as rich as rocket fuel to the simle minded like me or the advance intellectual souls of his age.  Leo Strauss watered the entire Platonic force  into watered down neoplatonism and stirred the dead embers of the exiled Neocons who are really the exiled Neoplatonists- now lets just think for a moment about Sorathians and the Platonic Academy and the Neoplatonics that were exiled to Gondishapur. 

                      Out of the current Neocons and the Neocons mentioned in The Power of Nightmare, where did these souls come from?  How did Leo Strauss rally an ancient neoplatonic stream of the exiled and where do these exiles fit into the payback and rise of the Sorathian forces that are being outlined in the Power of Nightmares?  Yes, well we could point in the right direction perhaps, maybe and seeing what path and karmic window these people used in order to arise in Amerika and serve the Sorathian surge forces that now swamp the West.  Payback makes literally lies, deception and hell on Earth and once again, like clockwork, we are in the thick of immense propaganda and sort of coddled and pampered little cotton balled Anthros unable to sting or use the mere tools of research and logic to stand firm with.

                      " Other great teachers have risen from similar theological and scientific schools. Amongst them was Ibrahim Madi, Hibai the translator, Marbab Gondishapuri and Paulus son of Kaki of Karkhe (Mentioning Gondishapur, it is necessary to add that this town was located east of Susa, southeast of Dezful and northwest of Shushtar). During the Sassanid period Gondishapur became a center of medical science and its fame lasted for several centuries even after the advent of Islam in Persia.

                      A fortunate incident for pre-Islamic Iranian science during the Sassanid period was the arrival of eight great scholars from Greece who sought refuge in Persia from persecution by the Roman Emperor Justinian. These men were the followers of neoplatonic school. King Anushiravan had many discussions with these men and especially with the one named Priscianus.

                      "In 765, the Caliph al-Mansur, afflicted with a stomach disease which had baffled his physicians, sent for Jurjis ibn Bakhtishu`, a Nestorian Christian physician from Iraq who served as the dean of the hospital at Jundishapur (Gondishapur) in Persia. In the ancient world, Jundishapur was noted for its academy of medicine and philosophy said to have been founded about 555 by the great Persian king Anushirwan. When the school of Alexandria was closed during the Christian period, many of its scholars are said to have fled to the school at Jundishapur.

                      The science of the institution was based on the ancient Greek tradition, but the language of instruction was Aramaic. Jurjis soon won the confidence of the caliph and became the court physician while retaining his Christian faith. It is reported that on being invited by the caliph to embrace Islam, he retorted that he preferred the company of his fathers, regardless of whether they were in heaven or in hell.15 He appears not to have suffered any ill consequences on account of his candor. In Baghdad, Ibn Bakhtishu` became the founder of a brilliant family dynasty of medical practitioners which for six or seven generations, that is covering a period of two centuries and a half, exercised an almost continuous monopoly over the court medical practice. Jurjis' son Bakhtishu` (d. 801) and his grandson Jibril (Gabriel) served as court physicians to Harun al-Rashid.

                      At the time of the Arab conquest of the Fertile Crescent, the intellectual legacy of Greece was unquestionably the most precious treasure at hand. Under the two Abbasid caliphs al-Mahdi and his son Harun al-Rashid in particular, the Muslim army won decisive victories over the Byzantine enemy forces. The young Harun actually led his father's campaign against the Byzantines; in 782, the Arab army reached the Bosphorus, at the very doors of Constantinople itself. The Byzantine queen-regent at that time, Irene (who held the regency in the name of her son Constantine VI) was forced to sue for peace and conclude a treaty with the Muslims. The various Abbasid military excursions into the land of the Byzantines or as the Arab chroniclers say, the land of the Romans, resulted in the introduction, among other objects of booty, of Greek manuscripts. Al-Ma'mun is said to have sent his ambassadors as far as Constantinople, to the Byzantine Emperor Leo the Armenian himself, in search of Greek manuscripts. Al-Mansur is requested and received a number of books, including Euclid, from the Byzantine emperor. The Arab Muslims were not able to read the Greek originals; therefore they had to depend on translations made by their subjects who did know Greek: Nestorian Christians. The Nestorians first translated the Greek works into Syriac and then from Syriac into Arabic.

                      One of the most important achievements of al-Ma'mun's rule is his establishment of the previously mentioned Bayt al-Hikma (the House of Wisdom) in 830. This House of Wisdom was a combination library, an academy, and a translation bureau. One historian has described the Bayt al-Hikma as the most important educational institution since the foundation of the Alexandrian Museum in the first half of the third century B.C. Under al-Ma'mun, the Bayt al-Hikma became the center of translation activity. This era of avid translation would last through the early tenth century.17

                      Before the age of translation was brought to an end, practically all the works of Aristotle that had survived to that day, had been translated into Arabic. Two Muslim chroniclers tell us that no less than a hundred works of Aristotle, whom the Muslims called "the philosopher of the Greeks," had been translated. Some of these works attributed to Aristotle, however, are now known to be forgeries. This intellectual floruit in the Islamic world was taking place while Europe was almost totally ignorant of Greek thought and science. Its later rediscovery of it was through the Arabic translations which in turn would spur the Western Renaissance.

                      One modern historian has remarked, "While al-Rashid and al-Ma'mun were delving into Greek and Pesian philosophy, their contemporaries in the West, Charlemagne and his lords, were reportedly dabbling in the art of writing their names."18 Aristotle's works on logic and particularly two of his works, Rhetoric and Poetics, became, along with the study of Arabic grammar, the basis of humanistic studies (Ar. adab) in Islam. As these works available in translation progressively took intellectual circles by storm, the Islamic world, like Patristic Christianity before it, had to grapple with "the problem of how to assimilate the `pagan' knowledge of the Greeks to a conception of the world that included God as its creator."19 The tension between the two led to a creative accommodation and synthesis as well as to a festering uneasiness and outright hostility in the medieval world, a range of responses that in some measure still influences modern discourses on the nature and parameters of education in Islamic societies. "

                      Bradford concludes;

                      So you thought as a newbie you might want to be a student of history? You thought as a newbie that you might want to be part of the Michael School where Aristotle and Thomas Aquina arise in the Pauline level of Intelligence of Rudolf Steiner?  I hardly think your job resume prepares you for the position of historican in the Michael School. You want to condemn Arabistic Intelligence now -  when all of the West is fully infected with Arabistic Intelligence and GWB is merely a cast off Language flunky that the Archangels of the Americas rejected and gave this fool to the Ahrimanic Archai forces arises...  As dumb as and as clever as an Ahrimanic foxe, GWB is held together by booze, Political good ole boy drive, and a penchant for boy toy luciferic releases of tension.  GWB really liked his Jeff Gannon butt romps when the tension got high.  Luciferic?  Ahrimanic?  No Cheney is the Giant's Heart and Ahrimanic and GWB is a twisted little Luciferic pretzel with all the dumbed down American drives that cheapen humanity into degradation.

                      Besides if you every attemted to be an historian in the Michael School you would also have to grasp the meaning of "Perry Mason".   Since you know nothing of how to observe the machinations and study of raw Intellectual Soul field observations, you would never understand Perry Mason anyways. Anthro can't even remember general systems out of Spiritual Science let alone the core INtellectual Soul, core Intellectual Soul contours of Motives and dissecting the Ahrimanic and Luciferic features of motives that centered on the mighty region where the Intellectual Soul of humanity met the Sentient Soul. 

                      Just Raw motives, raw plans, raw insights that speak to the abstract force of the Intellectual Soul but not to the Beings that we understand are in the region of Light, that Goethe's Color Theory and Faust opposed against Newtonian abstract physics - to include in Goethe Beings of both Cold light in the soul and Warmed light. Perry Mason didn't dabble in the occult except to make fun of it and trace everything to dark human motives, which Leo Strauss and Bradford certainly could appreciate.  Especially if Leo Strauss finally saw all the bare motives of the ugly take over and Fall of Weimar and all the motives of the Good Germans.  But Bradford is part of the Michael School and has a different take on motives in the human soul and the Fall of Weimar and the actual historical forces at play. Bradford also sees the Good German and the Good American sinking into the same novel trap.

                      "Gunsmoke" and Leo Strauss and this simplification of Good vs Evil and the constant nagging thread that Liberals like Bill Maher don't want to grant that there are forces there, there are opposing human forces there. The intellect could come to grips with these forces and truly tangle with them so that each human being is not such a simplification of good vs evil.  Liberals know it is more complicated but Liberals mostly have flunked out of Michael School 101 because the teachers have all been utterly boring. 

                       But if we describe the so called Neocon/Nazis Orwellianly or if we describe them from Kurt Vonnegut and "Mother Night" we remain in a profound shadow realm of Perry Mason motives and still never encounter the source codes of these beings that Goethe, Steiner, Bradford and Anthros can discover that also pertains to the classic and undying light and Truth that rays forth from the St. John Gospel and the Living Etheric Light of the Christ Being --- Truth that is buried like a dead horse in Fundamentalism that calls all sorts of things;  God; and is certainly willing to call GWB a real JOhn the Baptist for who?  For none other than the Ahrimanic throne.  Cold, when we want Cold we can go to Dick Cheney and we can see, we can see by any discussion that Anthros throw up as to the nature of Luciferic forces in the undercurrent motives of the soul and Ahrimanic forces and the mix and crossing of the two, that most Anthros are crosseyed and cockeyed and cannot determine their right from their left or their L from their A.

                      Which brought us back to Vision the Eyes and how we understand Light and the light of moral and immoral forces of Beings in the Balance of the human being and how Steiner carried the Great Greek New Athens into the wooden, Elm, fallen Elm, blighted Elm of the great golden wood of The Reprsentative of Man.  So what we get in the Power of Nightmares shows in many details the abstract collision of the corruption of the religious and Spiritual Science grasp of how humanity is truly connected to the Spiritual World. 

                      The War to spin and sever all this and how all this works into the wills of humanity and skims the surface in MSM intellectual and sentient soul stunting of the mind and stunting of education and lies and deceptions of education stand for the giant sucking sound of immense volumes of fellow human beings from east to west, deluded, dumb and merely wanting to rediscover their connection to the Spiritual World but caught between and sucked into the crosshairs of L and A with no hope of a rope to pull them out of it because Anthros refused to pay attention to the details and refused to grasp how history was truly working.

                    • carol
                      because Anthros refused to pay attention to the details and refused to grasp how history was truly working. Maybe you re talking about 2nd time around
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                        "because Anthros refused to pay attention to the details and refused to
                        grasp how history was truly working."

                        Maybe you're talking about 2nd time around Anthros and others in a
                        similar lot.


                        --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > The Power of Nightmares
                        >
                        > http://novakeo.com/?p=131 <http://novakeo.com/?p=131>
                        >
                        >
                        > Let us review Part I of the Power of Nightmare for those are unable to
                        > garnish the clues of the Political, Fundamental and Jihad worlds that
                        > are leading up to the false Armageddon like events planned by
                        operative
                        > black operations coming from Dick Cheney - Israel - Britain and MI 5
                        > right to the doorstep of Today.
                        >
                        > Firstly "GunSmoke" and "Perry Mason" if you are a newbie in the
                        universe
                        > this would all have no meaning to you. But before we tackle "Gunsmoke"
                        > and "Perry Mason" we must just give a brief survival guide to Leo
                        > Strauss. There is a great deal of ancient research on this list
                        > regarding Leo Strauss... But lets reduce it down to the thing that
                        > concerns Anthroposophists. Leo Strauss was Platonist or rather a
                        > neoplatonist who survived Nazi Weimar and came to Chicago where I was
                        > born.
                        >
                        > Weimar, where in fact Goethe and Steiner confronted Mephisto/Ahriman
                        and
                        > in fact the fall of of Weimar and the struggle and model of the
                        struggle
                        > that now faces Neocons arrived early in a Nazi package and military
                        and
                        > idealist regalia that made all the Good Germans fall asleep into
                        > Ahrimanic rigidification and as being discussed, Ahrimanic amoral,
                        > abstract Nationalistic pride in zilch. A zilch content, with a zilch,
                        > meaning less than zero, cold, icy amoral Will to Power as a category
                        of
                        > ice-cold anti-ethics. And that in essence defines the courting and
                        > current election and absolute disaster that America finds itself in
                        with
                        > the current Neocon take over of American policy and the utter disaster
                        > of blatant lies from Hilary, Obama and the whole sorry lot of Perry
                        > Mason, little Ahrimanic mouthpieces, trained on mere political
                        > Intellectual Soul atheism sprung from the grave of Perry Mason and Leo
                        > Strauss.
                        >
                        > The Power of Nightmares makes a real clear comparison between the
                        > religious right and the Jihadists and how they rose as reactions to
                        > something in themselves, FEAR. And the only, mark this the only turd
                        of
                        > truth here, I mean the only powerful bait that finds itself in
                        > communication with both sides is this: From the Spiritual World and
                        > from the first Michael Round we understand that we come to Earth from
                        > the Spiritual World. Now once on Earth, as dumbness prevails, the
                        > fundamental desire to recapture the lost, really lost, totally
                        darkened
                        > memory of the divine, is to say, something vague and immensely stupid
                        > about Jesus, God, communists, evil, homos.... and of course liberals.
                        > All of these hot button issues are the immense stupid buttons that
                        > create in Amerika, the fundamentalist Good American that is no better
                        > than the Good German that allowed the disaster of Europe to unfold.
                        >
                        > However there is this amazing diagnostic and dangerous prognosis of
                        the
                        > infection of materialism itself, materialistic attitudes, western
                        > attitudes, generated out of the west and into every Moslem soul or
                        > American soul. Ahriman had to quickly attempt to spin this because
                        > there is a materialistic infection that is spread by the west and if
                        it
                        > really ever became utterly fixed, The Matrix is the exact world of the
                        > Ahrimanic wetdream that hides behind Neocon and Nazi alike.
                        >
                        > However in Iran and the great spokesperson who began to really call
                        > America the Great Satan because of the infection of the materialism,
                        > echoed down the halls of time, the once pure force that resisted
                        Sorat's
                        > incursion..... However in both cases, the Christian Right Americanism
                        > and the Moslem Jihadist there is this buried, buried deader than a dog
                        > bone, buried and dumbed down, lost, and splintered view of the fact
                        that
                        > indeed there is a Spiritual World - So we can reduce this entire
                        memory
                        > to a tiny beer bottle cap and a dashboard Jesus. We can lose any i am
                        > discerning education and lose all potential to approach Michael
                        insights
                        > and reduce everything down to God this and God that which sometimes is
                        > one of the most annoying sounds and immature talk back returns that we
                        > can hear from friends and people we love.
                        >
                        > Leo was a flunked and failed German neoplatonist who escaped to the
                        West
                        > and nursed something that Steiner refused to nurse. Steiner did not
                        > nurse the theory that intelligent people, the governing and rich shit
                        > aristocracy are full of great wisdom while the idiotic and uneducated
                        > masses are too dumb to know deeper and richer spiritual facts and
                        > histories. Steiner did not nurse such an immature fiction and pablum
                        > that catered to some elite group, but rather Steiner saw both the
                        > Shepherds and the Kings and both Buddha and Zarathustra at the
                        > foundations of the might Christ Event, and that these two streams in
                        > humanity could and should unite in the power of the great vision of
                        > Spiritual, cognitive truth and the Education of the Human Race.
                        >
                        > Steiner gave it out, to everyone as rich as rocket fuel to the simle
                        > minded like me or the advance intellectual souls of his age. Leo
                        > Strauss watered the entire Platonic force into watered down
                        > neoplatonism and stirred the dead embers of the exiled Neocons who are
                        > really the exiled Neoplatonists- now lets just think for a moment
                        about
                        > Sorathians and the Platonic Academy and the Neoplatonics that were
                        > exiled to Gondishapur.
                        >
                        > Out of the current Neocons and the Neocons mentioned in The Power of
                        > Nightmare, where did these souls come from? How did Leo Strauss rally
                        > an ancient neoplatonic stream of the exiled and where do these exiles
                        > fit into the payback and rise of the Sorathian forces that are being
                        > outlined in the Power of Nightmares? Yes, well we could point in the
                        > right direction perhaps, maybe and seeing what path and karmic window
                        > these people used in order to arise in Amerika and serve the Sorathian
                        > surge forces that now swamp the West. Payback makes literally lies,
                        > deception and hell on Earth and once again, like clockwork, we are in
                        > the thick of immense propaganda and sort of coddled and pampered
                        little
                        > cotton balled Anthros unable to sting or use the mere tools of
                        research
                        > and logic to stand firm with.
                        >
                        > " Other great teachers have risen from similar theological and
                        > scientific schools. Amongst them was Ibrahim Madi, Hibai the
                        translator,
                        > Marbab Gondishapuri and Paulus son of Kaki of Karkhe (Mentioning
                        > Gondishapur, it is necessary to add that this town was located east of
                        > Susa, southeast of Dezful and northwest of Shushtar). During the
                        > Sassanid period Gondishapur became a center of medical science and its
                        > fame lasted for several centuries even after the advent of Islam in
                        > Persia.
                        >
                        > A fortunate incident for pre-Islamic Iranian science during the
                        Sassanid
                        > period was the arrival of eight great scholars from Greece who sought
                        > refuge in Persia from persecution by the Roman Emperor Justinian.
                        These
                        > men were the followers of neoplatonic school. King Anushiravan had
                        many
                        > discussions with these men and especially with the one named
                        Priscianus.
                        >
                        > "In 765, the Caliph al-Mansur, afflicted with a stomach disease which
                        > had baffled his physicians, sent for Jurjis ibn Bakhtishu`, a
                        > Nestorian Christian physician from Iraq who served as the dean of the
                        > hospital at Jundishapur (Gondishapur) in Persia. In the ancient world,
                        > Jundishapur was noted for its academy of medicine and philosophy said
                        to
                        > have been founded about 555 by the great Persian king Anushirwan. When
                        > the school of Alexandria was closed during the Christian period, many
                        of
                        > its scholars are said to have fled to the school at Jundishapur.
                        >
                        > The science of the institution was based on the ancient Greek
                        tradition,
                        > but the language of instruction was Aramaic. Jurjis soon won the
                        > confidence of the caliph and became the court physician while
                        retaining
                        > his Christian faith. It is reported that on being invited by the
                        caliph
                        > to embrace Islam, he retorted that he preferred the company of his
                        > fathers, regardless of whether they were in heaven or in hell.15 He
                        > appears not to have suffered any ill consequences on account of his
                        > candor. In Baghdad, Ibn Bakhtishu` became the founder of a brilliant
                        > family dynasty of medical practitioners which for six or seven
                        > generations, that is covering a period of two centuries and a half,
                        > exercised an almost continuous monopoly over the court medical
                        practice.
                        > Jurjis' son Bakhtishu` (d. 801) and his grandson Jibril (Gabriel)
                        > served as court physicians to Harun al-Rashid.
                        >
                        > At the time of the Arab conquest of the Fertile Crescent, the
                        > intellectual legacy of Greece was unquestionably the most precious
                        > treasure at hand. Under the two Abbasid caliphs al-Mahdi and his son
                        > Harun al-Rashid in particular, the Muslim army won decisive victories
                        > over the Byzantine enemy forces. The young Harun actually led his
                        > father's campaign against the Byzantines; in 782, the Arab army
                        reached
                        > the Bosphorus, at the very doors of Constantinople itself. The
                        Byzantine
                        > queen-regent at that time, Irene (who held the regency in the name of
                        > her son Constantine VI) was forced to sue for peace and conclude a
                        > treaty with the Muslims. The various Abbasid military excursions into
                        > the land of the Byzantines or as the Arab chroniclers say, the land of
                        > the Romans, resulted in the introduction, among other objects of
                        booty,
                        > of Greek manuscripts. Al-Ma'mun is said to have sent his ambassadors
                        as
                        > far as Constantinople, to the Byzantine Emperor Leo the Armenian
                        > himself, in search of Greek manuscripts. Al-Mansur is requested and
                        > received a number of books, including Euclid, from the Byzantine
                        > emperor. The Arab Muslims were not able to read the Greek originals;
                        > therefore they had to depend on translations made by their subjects
                        who
                        > did know Greek: Nestorian Christians. The Nestorians first translated
                        > the Greek works into Syriac and then from Syriac into Arabic.
                        >
                        > One of the most important achievements of al-Ma'mun's rule is his
                        > establishment of the previously mentioned Bayt al-Hikma (the House of
                        > Wisdom) in 830. This House of Wisdom was a combination library, an
                        > academy, and a translation bureau. One historian has described the
                        Bayt
                        > al-Hikma as the most important educational institution since the
                        > foundation of the Alexandrian Museum in the first half of the third
                        > century B.C. Under al-Ma'mun, the Bayt al-Hikma became the center of
                        > translation activity. This era of avid translation would last through
                        > the early tenth century.17
                        >
                        > Before the age of translation was brought to an end, practically all
                        the
                        > works of Aristotle that had survived to that day, had been translated
                        > into Arabic. Two Muslim chroniclers tell us that no less than a
                        hundred
                        > works of Aristotle, whom the Muslims called "the philosopher of the
                        > Greeks," had been translated. Some of these works attributed to
                        > Aristotle, however, are now known to be forgeries. This intellectual
                        > floruit in the Islamic world was taking place while Europe was almost
                        > totally ignorant of Greek thought and science. Its later rediscovery
                        of
                        > it was through the Arabic translations which in turn would spur the
                        > Western Renaissance.
                        >
                        > One modern historian has remarked, "While al-Rashid and al-Ma'mun were
                        > delving into Greek and Pesian philosophy, their contemporaries in the
                        > West, Charlemagne and his lords, were reportedly dabbling in the art
                        of
                        > writing their names."18 Aristotle's works on logic and particularly
                        two
                        > of his works, Rhetoric and Poetics, became, along with the study of
                        > Arabic grammar, the basis of humanistic studies (Ar. adab) in Islam.
                        As
                        > these works available in translation progressively took intellectual
                        > circles by storm, the Islamic world, like Patristic Christianity
                        before
                        > it, had to grapple with "the problem of how to assimilate the
                        > `pagan' knowledge of the Greeks to a conception of the world
                        > that included God as its creator."19 The tension between the two led
                        to
                        > a creative accommodation and synthesis as well as to a festering
                        > uneasiness and outright hostility in the medieval world, a range of
                        > responses that in some measure still influences modern discourses on
                        the
                        > nature and parameters of education in Islamic societies. "
                        >
                        > Bradford concludes;
                        >
                        > So you thought as a newbie you might want to be a student of history?
                        > You thought as a newbie that you might want to be part of the Michael
                        > School where Aristotle and Thomas Aquina arise in the Pauline level of
                        > Intelligence of Rudolf Steiner? I hardly think your job resume
                        prepares
                        > you for the position of historican in the Michael School. You want to
                        > condemn Arabistic Intelligence now - when all of the West is fully
                        > infected with Arabistic Intelligence and GWB is merely a cast off
                        > Language flunky that the Archangels of the Americas rejected and gave
                        > this fool to the Ahrimanic Archai forces arises... As dumb as and as
                        > clever as an Ahrimanic foxe, GWB is held together by booze, Political
                        > good ole boy drive, and a penchant for boy toy luciferic releases of
                        > tension. GWB really liked his Jeff Gannon butt romps when the tension
                        > got high. Luciferic? Ahrimanic? No Cheney is the Giant's Heart and
                        > Ahrimanic and GWB is a twisted little Luciferic pretzel with all the
                        > dumbed down American drives that cheapen humanity into degradation.
                        >
                        > Besides if you every attemted to be an historian in the Michael School
                        > you would also have to grasp the meaning of "Perry Mason". Since you
                        > know nothing of how to observe the machinations and study of raw
                        > Intellectual Soul field observations, you would never understand Perry
                        > Mason anyways. Anthro can't even remember general systems out of
                        > Spiritual Science let alone the core INtellectual Soul, core
                        > Intellectual Soul contours of Motives and dissecting the Ahrimanic and
                        > Luciferic features of motives that centered on the mighty region where
                        > the Intellectual Soul of humanity met the Sentient Soul.
                        >
                        > Just Raw motives, raw plans, raw insights that speak to the abstract
                        > force of the Intellectual Soul but not to the Beings that we
                        understand
                        > are in the region of Light, that Goethe's Color Theory and Faust
                        opposed
                        > against Newtonian abstract physics - to include in Goethe Beings of
                        both
                        > Cold light in the soul and Warmed light. Perry Mason didn't dabble in
                        > the occult except to make fun of it and trace everything to dark human
                        > motives, which Leo Strauss and Bradford certainly could appreciate.
                        > Especially if Leo Strauss finally saw all the bare motives of the ugly
                        > take over and Fall of Weimar and all the motives of the Good Germans.
                        > But Bradford is part of the Michael School and has a different take on
                        > motives in the human soul and the Fall of Weimar and the actual
                        > historical forces at play. Bradford also sees the Good German and the
                        > Good American sinking into the same novel trap.
                        >
                        > "Gunsmoke" and Leo Strauss and this simplification of Good vs Evil and
                        > the constant nagging thread that Liberals like Bill Maher don't want
                        to
                        > grant that there are forces there, there are opposing human forces
                        > there. The intellect could come to grips with these forces and truly
                        > tangle with them so that each human being is not such a simplification
                        > of good vs evil. Liberals know it is more complicated but Liberals
                        > mostly have flunked out of Michael School 101 because the teachers
                        have
                        > all been utterly boring.
                        >
                        > But if we describe the so called Neocon/Nazis Orwellianly or if we
                        > describe them from Kurt Vonnegut and "Mother Night" we remain in a
                        > profound shadow realm of Perry Mason motives and still never encounter
                        > the source codes of these beings that Goethe, Steiner, Bradford and
                        > Anthros can discover that also pertains to the classic and undying
                        light
                        > and Truth that rays forth from the St. John Gospel and the Living
                        > Etheric Light of the Christ Being --- Truth that is buried like a dead
                        > horse in Fundamentalism that calls all sorts of things; God; and is
                        > certainly willing to call GWB a real JOhn the Baptist for who? For
                        none
                        > other than the Ahrimanic throne. Cold, when we want Cold we can go to
                        > Dick Cheney and we can see, we can see by any discussion that Anthros
                        > throw up as to the nature of Luciferic forces in the undercurrent
                        > motives of the soul and Ahrimanic forces and the mix and crossing of
                        the
                        > two, that most Anthros are crosseyed and cockeyed and cannot determine
                        > their right from their left or their L from their A.
                        >
                        > Which brought us back to Vision the Eyes and how we understand Light
                        and
                        > the light of moral and immoral forces of Beings in the Balance of the
                        > human being and how Steiner carried the Great Greek New Athens into
                        the
                        > wooden, Elm, fallen Elm, blighted Elm of the great golden wood of The
                        > Reprsentative of Man. So what we get in the Power of Nightmares shows
                        > in many details the abstract collision of the corruption of the
                        > religious and Spiritual Science grasp of how humanity is truly
                        connected
                        > to the Spiritual World.
                        >
                        > The War to spin and sever all this and how all this works into the
                        wills
                        > of humanity and skims the surface in MSM intellectual and sentient
                        soul
                        > stunting of the mind and stunting of education and lies and deceptions
                        > of education stand for the giant sucking sound of immense volumes of
                        > fellow human beings from east to west, deluded, dumb and merely
                        wanting
                        > to rediscover their connection to the Spiritual World but caught
                        between
                        > and sucked into the crosshairs of L and A with no hope of a rope to
                        pull
                        > them out of it because Anthros refused to pay attention to the details
                        > and refused to grasp how history was truly working.
                        >
                      • holderlin66
                        But what kind of clockwork and payback world has come to meet us from the standpoint of Spiritual Science? When Steiner entered Theosophy and Blavatsky land,
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                          But what kind of clockwork and payback world has come to meet us from the standpoint of Spiritual Science? When Steiner entered Theosophy and Blavatsky land, already the Theosophical influence was headed into the watered down, faithful, limp model that current Anthros seem to have fallen into. Some current Anthros.  In time lines and phases we can see how an attempt was made in kiddie porn to place the reincarnation of Jesus in our midst in theosophy circles.  Steiner stood up and wouldn't stand for this and went off the reservation. He was no longer their man, he was truly and always was Michael Man and represented the science of reincarnation and the science of the Christ Event.

                          But the sweet rewards of towing the party line and not making waves....and by this I mean making waves not so much against Anthrosposophy, because like Theosophy the baby and the bath water can easily be tossed out.  I mean rather that make waves and think solidly and actively out into the world with our own original and firmly based Spiritual Science logic and challenge each other to not fall asleep into complacency.  With all the media and the discerning intelligence of each of us able to weed through and strike into the core of current events, we should be much better equipped than the bumbling university neocon flunkies who waddled out of the classes of Leo Strauss with their heads full of the division between aristocracy of the intellect and the dumb masses.  This division is the division of the pablum that divides the Corporate and Military Industrial dunces who run the MSM with Israel money, who think they are so in the know - and all those the Karl Roves can use and abuse like

                          Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, leader of the NSDAP's propaganda machine the immense instinctual morass of the all the mixed bag of L and A and keep humanity fixated on a two party system.  Anthros have no right to be roaring dunces in all this and luckily there are thousands that are not roaring dunces.  However that does not have enough clout to prevent or Steiner to prevent WW I or us to prevent the Throne of Ahriman being assembled right before our Michael Eyes.

                          Bradford brought previously;

                          "Payback makes literally lies, deception and hell on Earth and once again, like clockwork, we are in the thick of immense propaganda and sort of coddled and pampered little cotton balled Anthros unable to sting or use the mere tools of research and logic to stand firm with."

                        • holderlin66
                          The Power of Nightmare part II http://novakeo.com/?p=132
                          Message 12 of 22 , Sep 30, 2007
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                            The Power of Nightmare part II

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                            Why in the field studies of Michael Intelligence you cannot be an historian is because of your lack of interest and failure to make connections from current
                            Message 13 of 22 , Oct 2, 2007
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                              Why in the field studies of Michael Intelligence you cannot be an historian is because of your lack of interest and  failure to make connections from current to past and from past to current given the spur and super-charged research of say, the Karma lectures and Haroun al Rashid in relation to Iraq and the reflection of Arabistic thought forces, NOMINALISM, Spin, that infects current cultural life.  Any attempts to follow the intimate threads of thinking are doomed to failure in the current i-Tard culture.

                              Dr. Steiner consolidated striking clues which we of course rarely make use of.  If we had to follow the documents of the lost Aristotle and the Sciences that arose and the Arabistic force of thinking that arose in the NASA and materialistic, Sorathian emerging rhythm patterns we have followed, we would see how powerfully prescient and concise Steiner was.  Firstly if Aristotle was the undercurrent force of thought, we see very clearly such an indicator holding up the two pillars of learning, even the shepherds and Kings as pictured in the mighty painting of Raphael's School of Athens.  So suppose we felt we should follow the core individuality who did all this major science research and see how he emerged in the further course of time.  That is suppose we followed the Person of Interest, a Person of Interest - the prized treasure of the Islamic world was Aristotle's profound observational thinking.  It was both a training to read him and to ride on Aristotle's profound observational thinking powers.  Suppose we had the intelligence and interest to follow this person of Interest?

                              One aspect of our research would find ourselves looking very closely at Haroun al Raschid and how the evolution of thought was influenced by both Francis Bacon and Charles Darwin. These two are deeply part of where the Michael School and the Karma lectures illuminate our inward historical eyes to grasp just how powerful the works of Aristotle influenced the thinkers of the school of Jundishapur and the advanced cultural center at Baghdad, which then launched the first 666 premature Consciousness Soul seeds that were embedded in all of Aristotle's works.

                              These works were prized and harvested so that the advanced Sorathian surge of thinking that Steve has often described here, could become realized.  Because in the fruits of Aristotle's works, which were prized by the Islamic thinkers and were well ahead of the cultural spark, well ahead of uneducated Europe, contained the seeds of the advanced Consciousness Soul -  We turn our gaze towards Steiner and find that what emerges and comes to fruition in Rudolf Steiner is a real shocker.  A real result of the Spiritual World's Intellectual Soul intentions and developments.  In other words all the content of the intellectual sciences and observational skills of Aristotle, the disciplined observational skills, skills that Steiner understood and respected in Goethe -  observational skills that Goethe developed and Aristotle had developed that led to etheric perception -  Suddenly and without warning such an individual shines through history and emerges as Rudolf Steiner.  Alright, right here, and we know what we are talking about, right here, almost 70% of loosely hanging Anthros are prepared to get off the bus.  While 99.9% of the intellectual culture of western materialism, is lost and settles down into the sediment of the dead soil of safe thinking.

                              Ah but who than and what then does Dr. Steiner bring to fruition?  Dr. Steiner brings the tools and Sciences of the true Consciousness Soul thinking that Goethe was onto and that arises in the human soul when mighty observational thinking and soul and spirit faculties penetrate and awaken the forces to enter the spiritual world.  Whereas the premature and Arabistic, NOMINALISTIC, Spin thinking that corrupts the moral fiber contains another Being who also loves the world of dead facts and also as observational science skills, removes the subtle spiritual forces of the soul from all observations.  And the difference not only between Goethe and Newton, but Steiner and Bacon, is the difference that alerts us to the core of the problem of what Spiritual Science actually is.  Of course any interest in grasping what Spiritual Science is, the Science that brings us all those feeling and wishy-washy soup feelings about the Christ Event, against the Science of the Christ event - blunts the dull and duller Anthros into lack of interest in the cognitive history of a real human being who developed such a capacity through history that as a figure could emerge and open the path to the true link between the Consciousness Soul and the etheric and spiritual worlds - via observational skills that ring through all of Steiner's works, like all the ten thousand observations that Aristotle made.

                              What was recently brought here on Jundishapur, and outlined briefly should be richly thought through. In the Power of Nightmares we picked up the collected forces of the Weimar Neoplatonist, Leo Strauss, who did not witness or testify to Steiner's struggles in Weimar or Goethe's struggles in Weimar, but rather railed against the Good Liberal Germans of Weimar and this railing against the Liberal and this railing against the Liberal in the Media today, and the railing against air-headed and anti-war Liberals and intense manipulation and Spin used to destroy the fabric of liberalism, was the weapon of choice that restored the Arabistic core of the  philosophers exiled from the School of Athens and the closing of the Alexandria library and schools who migrated over to Jundishapur, and landed in Nazi Germany and currently landed in Amerika as Neocons our own neoplatonic Jundishapur, anti-liberal, Nominalistic, Neocons. 

                              Was Steiner prescient in pointing us in his last glowing illumating sparks, those Karma lectures, those intimate insights into history,  of where and how the Michael School arose and how the true Consciousness Soul was born forward in the soul and spirit capacities of Aristotle and in the soul and spirit capacities of Goethe and how these rose in a New Athens like event out of Weimar?  To that of the laying the foundation for confronting directly the Arabistic thinking forces, no longer in Islam or Iraq, but now fully polluting every university, and having swallowed Munich itself, and spoiled the potential of the School of Light, the Eyes, the St. John and Johannes Bau of Munich as an anti-dote even to the Jesuit schools that became the SS headquarters and the home of materialistic physics and fallen devachan light studies with no connection to any St. John Light and the Word?  Well Steiner and we know that medically, scientifically, and spiritually, Steiner emerged and brought to fruition the REAL consciousness soul and deep and ancient Initiate abilities that were linked always with great observational skills. 

                              While the Sorathians under the model of dead facts and dead thoughts, intend and have intended to follow the Ahrimanic and bring forth, the Orwellian model, only the Orwellian model that covers the entire living globe -  and to prepare in the same manner for the incarnation in the West of one of the strong opposing gods -  Ahriman on Earth, in balance of the Luciferic in 3000 b.c.   Christ in Mid-line of by 33 or 333 in counter balance to 666.  The dead world, the dead and stunted, denied fruition of humanity into the Consciousness Soul would be and is being magically woven in the slow frog boil of wonderful fascism, combined with narcissistic body bound, and electronically grounded, lower, lower devachan sweet technology.  A sweet technology that slowly has suffocated the educational clarity of how the advance of thought emerges into a Spiritual World as in Goethe and Rudolf Steiner. Nicely and sweetly suffocated in every university because in point of fact, we cannot and do not wish to think that such a person as Aristotle might have richly stored his great skills and carried them forward and if such a one appeared, we would refuse to recognize the bursting forth of the fruits of the intellectual soul into the vision, vista and etheric living light of the Consciousness Soul.  We, enmasse, refuse to imagine human beings moving visibly through history and coming to fruition.

                              Prescient Karma lectures, prescient standing there in the midst of humanity opposing the onslaught of arabistic and materialistic thought -  And where today has this Ahrimanic force aimed itself?  Where the forces of Aristotle were once activiated and where they specifically landed in the Germanic Soul's  I AM cognitive gifts and the gifts that Germany was bringing towards the Consciousness Soul foundations -  were utterly mustered for a full attack and onslaught against such potential in the brains and hearts of humanity.  Is America next on the list?  Germany and Germans had a rich potential and Americans with their country also had a rich potential for thought...  But who is able to think and follow and hold clearly the remarkable rising and fruition of observational thinking that looked into Grammar with the rich research of Aristotle and Steiner as in the visible Grammar of Eurythmy and the mighty etheric forces that move through the limbs when grasping the Word?

                              No, no, when we look over our resumes and we see how stumbling, bumbling and wretchedly attached we are to our university thinking and our university brainwashed view of the common ground we love as reality; when we look at all the WW II and WW I films and what WAR is and why we fought the WAR and how in fact, Ahriman out maneuvered humanity and shifted the paradigm of selfish, nationalistic and arabistic egotism into the West and gave birth to the Ahrimanic Sun at Trinity New Mexico... when we weigh up the trivial trails that students are forced to squander their spiritual forces on... we understand how educationally prescient Dr. Steiner was and how impossibly sluggish, dumb and materialistic we are.  For us humanity is not a rich striving organic and spiritual system that slowly brings higher and higher fruits of cogntion and development forward in history.  If we encountered such a history and if we encountered such a person who lived in Weimar -  We would gladly leap to take up the lumbering scholastic stupidity of such a one as Leo Strauss.  Leo Strauss a good german who survived Weimar and failed to see, a perfect person to understand in The Power of Nightmare, to where we stand today.  Who do we choose as our sterile and impotent examples of what we WANT TO BELIEVE, is what all dusty ole thinkers are -  those dusty old struggles and those dusty old individuals have nothing to do with the sudden bursting forth of human fruits and how intensely interested and treasured were the works of Aristotle in the Islamic world where the Intellectual Soul skills were super-charged by understanding Aristotle.


                              Bradford brought previously;

                              "One modern historian has remarked, "While al-Rashid and al-Ma'mun were delving into Greek and Pesian philosophy, their contemporaries in the West, Charlemagne and his lords, were reportedly dabbling in the art of writing their names."18 Aristotle's works on logic and particularly two of his works, Rhetoric and Poetics, became, along with the study of Arabic grammar, the basis of humanistic studies (Ar. adab) in Islam. As these works available in translation progressively took intellectual circles by storm, the Islamic world, like Patristic Christianity before it, had to grapple with "the problem of how to assimilate the `pagan' knowledge of the Greeks to a conception of the world that included God as its creator."19 The tension between the two led to a creative accommodation and synthesis as well as to a festering uneasiness and outright hostility in the medieval world, a range of responses that in some measure still influences modern discourses on the nature and parameters of education in Islamic societies. "

                              Bradford concludes;

                              So you thought as a newbie you might want to be a student of history? You thought as a newbie that you might want to be part of the Michael School where Aristotle and Thomas Aquina arise in the Pauline level of Intelligence of Rudolf Steiner?  I hardly think your job resume prepares you for the position of historican in the Michael School. You want to condemn Arabistic Intelligence now -  when all of the West is fully infected with Arabistic Intelligence....

                            • holderlin66
                              Although the Munich Pact of 1938 permitted German occupation and annexation of the Sudetenland into the Nazi Reich, this act of cowardice by Great Britain and
                              Message 14 of 22 , Oct 6, 2007
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                                "Although the Munich Pact of 1938 permitted German occupation and annexation of the Sudetenland into the Nazi Reich, this act of cowardice by Great Britain and France ultimately paved the way for the outbreak of the Second World War one year later, with all the tragic consequences that conflagration entailed for the Jewish people, among others.

                                "Today, the United States and Israel are striving to consummate a Middle East version of the Munich Pact that will sell out of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and a real independent state of their own. Only history will tell if the consequences shall be as tragic for the fate of the Arab and Jewish peoples in the Middle East , if not the rest of the world. I fear that there is a high probability that history will repeat itself.

                                Bradford brought;

                                "Why in the field studies of Michael Intelligence you cannot be an historian is because of your lack of interest and  failure to make connections from current to past and from past to current given the spur and super-charged research of say, the Karma lectures and Haroun al Rashid in relation to Iraq and the reflection of Arabistic thought forces, NOMINALISM, Spin, that infects current cultural life.  Any attempts to follow the intimate threads of thinking are doomed to failure in the current i-Tard culture.

                                "Dr. Steiner consolidated striking clues which we of course rarely make use of. 

                                "Was Steiner prescient in pointing us in his last glowing illumating sparks, those Karma lectures, those intimate insights into history,  of where and how the Michael School arose and how the true Consciousness Soul was born forward in the soul and spirit capacities of Aristotle and in the soul and spirit capacities of Goethe and how these rose in a New Athens like event out of Weimar?  To that of the laying the foundation for confronting directly the Arabistic thinking forces, no longer in Islam or Iraq, but now fully polluting every university, and having swallowed Munich itself, and spoiled the potential of the School of Light, the Eyes, the St. John and Johannes Bau of Munich as an anti-dote even to the Jesuit schools that became the SS headquarters and the home of materialistic physics and fallen devachan light studies with no connection to any St. John Light and the Word?  Well Steiner and we know that medically, scientifically, and spiritually, Steiner emerged and brought to fruition the REAL consciousness soul and deep and ancient Initiate abilities that were linked always with great observational skills."

                                Bradford concludes;

                                1938 of the Munich Pact plus 72 = 2010;  1938 + 66= 2004 but no matter how we cut it, the years in and around 1935 and the Event of the Etheric Christ event and the event of the full 72 years of Steiner on Earth and the Michael Mission, as well as the fact that Ahriman leaped to attack the Consciousness Soul by celebrating the burning of the Reichstag on Feb 27, 1933, linked directly to the life course of Rudolf Steiner Himself, the bearer of all that was feared and hoped for in the capacities and awakening of the Consciousness Soul from such an individuality as that of Aristotle.

                                "On February 22, Göring set up an auxiliary police force of 50,000 men, composed mostly of members of the SA and SS. The vulgar, brawling, murderous Nazi storm troopers now had the power of police.

                                Two days later, they raided Communist headquarters in Berlin. Göring falsely claimed he had uncovered plans for a Communist uprising in the raid. But he actually uncovered the membership list of the Communist party and intended to arrest every one of the four thousand members.

                                Göring and Goebbels, with Hitler's approval, then hatched a plan to cause panic by burning the Reichstag building and blaming the Communists. The Reichstag was the building in Berlin where the elected members of the republic met to conduct the daily business of government.

                                By a weird coincidence, there was also in Berlin a deranged Communist conducting a one-man uprising. An arsonist named Marinus van der Lubbe, 24, from Holland, had been wandering around Berlin for a week attempting to burn government buildings to protest capitalism and start a revolt. On February 27, he decided to burn the Reichstag building. "  

                                Now class, do you think they thought to themselves consciously, oh goody, Steiner day?  But what plays into human instincts and what reflects the true enemy that was hated by the Ahrimanic Beings and Mephisto was the possibility of humanity breaking into the dawn of the Conscousness Soul.  Suddenly under the exile command of Michael after the dislodging of Ahrimanic soul clusters out of the higher worlds, they were exiled to human brains and human souls and Ahriman's current residence is not in the upper spiritual world but in the lower and operative wills, Will to Power, of the world of human intelligence. In other words the lower devachan techno world of magnetism, electricity and poisoned light.  And we recall that all of Harry Potter schooling is off the grid, Luciferic and a higher devachan schooling devoid of interaction with common humans in a common realm of human action.  Harry Potter has all the ear marks of a Luciferic world isolated and away from the karma functions and karmic functioning of our own real, lie ridden, and distorted,  Christ imbued world.  

                                U cannot be an historian and no university or educational system can understand history, nor when you send your children to learn such trivial nonsense without the root causes that connect the whole seething mass all the way through from 1933 to 2010.... For isn't there a counter impulse friends?  Isn't there also a counter impulse that runs on 33  - 66  - 99, isn't there a counter impulse, a mirrored distortion of the mighty Etheric Christ Sun impulse and Michael Intelligence also operative as a living impulse hell bent on refusing humanity the rights of the Consciousness Soul?  Doesn't this counter impulse also have a life of it's own as well?

                                If such a person so richly respected from the ancient world as Aristotle sudden awoke in the mighty Initiate field of the Consciousness Soul with all the powers and fruits of the mighty Aristotle blended into the solid logic of the logos of Man, wouldn't this really tend to piss off the Ahrimanic counter forces that would weigh in on "The Monkey Trial" and press for all that we know about Darwin, Bacon and the anti-grail forces of the Manhattan Project and Oppenheimer offering their own Trinity in New Mexico?  Well that is why U cannot be an Anthro historian and frankly most applicants can't even think through the basics.  Most Anthros don't have a clue how to rate Anthroposophy or Spiritual Science but some little quaint impulse where they can do their knitting.  In fact cottom ball Anthros need not apply to Michael School Intelligence because they don't really want to know much of anything except how they feel, if they like this or that fact.  Oh poor, poor little feeling beings.... Too bad cognition hurts your subjective and warped feeling life and even worse that you end up resisting actual Spiritual Science in the process.

                                We are currently rapidly coming up to more prepared deceptions that in fact embroil Amerika with the Lies generated out of Israel - All in the nature of Ahriman squatting over Israel that had bourne the footsteps of Christ and was, for all time,  the etheric, historical and physical epicenter of Golgotha and the Spirit Man event that rocked Earth evolution at it's dead center core.  All the powerfully and  richly stored etheric forces coming from that geo-physical or bio-regional location of so called Israel, Ahriman has lusted to regain, regain conquered portions of the human globe and human intellect in the process.  Ah but that is such a complicated thought for the poor, poor sheltered and coddled Anthro student to comprehend isn't it? 

                                Ahriman wants Iran and Persia where Zarathustra grew once upon a time and has already decimated the region where Gilgamesh and Enkidu wrestled at the walls of Uruk.  The Babylonian Star wisdom the encorporated the depth of the Angelic higher worlds and the ancient ruins of Marduk and Michael Intelligence, has been historically raped.  That is correct historically and currently raped by Ahrimanic forces. 

                                Why U can't be an historian is because U wouldn't understand the intinctual cold will that has placed the entire region under the wings of ugly political lies and greedy, avarice ridden war.  The fact that we promote Avarice and that the avarice so colors the will and instinct in Ahrimanic juice and that the Media and Jewish lobbyists have tied the Senate up and bound them to Ahriman and thereby bound America to Cheney and Bush and that none of these instincts are open to review, reveals that Ahriman is driving his intensity towards his Incarnation in the wealthiest and worst moral and intellectual morass since Germany.  Ahriman is using the techniques that are typical to Ahriman and using them as a Fascist/Orwellian model, because it must always smell of Fascism, until Ahriman himself or herself arises and we face eye to eye and camera to camera, press to press, i-tard to i-tard the very Being who shall offer all that spiritual striving has to offer only with no effort needed from i-tard stagnating soul.  Imagine our joy, friends, just like Anthros today, when Ahriman offers, Society Without Risk.  SWR.

                                Education would then have no risk of hurting your feelings.  Science is only there to serve and cultivate your petty sentimental feelings.  All that huffing and puffing and that effort of thinking required to co-ordinate Michael thoughts to human thoughts, all that effort no longer important because everyone will be happy, Paradise and instant Big Friendly, Big Brother and big sister will overhear every phone call, have records on every human being on the planet and fingerprints, blood samples and instant psychological profiles along with vaccination records, reveal a film, not unlike V for Vendetta... or V for the FIFTH EPOCH.   Why U can't be an Anthro historian is because V for the Fifth Epoch or PNAC, Project for a New Ahrimanic Century or V for Vendetta just rolls on by your little coddled religious soul and means nothing to U. 

                                The two Jesus children -  Just think how many immediate dense and dull people have to stop their thinking if you raise the idea of the two Jesus children  into their dull and stupid ears. The two Jesus children did not choose the wealthiest, richest and most high or well born region to be born in.  Christ did not have a hundred thousand PR media consultants prepared to apply the full force of Nominalistic Spin, which Thomas Aquinas fought against with all his heart and soul to prepare the way for their own lord and master - Ahriman himself.  But do Anthros go into the rich considerations of how such rhythms, such 33  -  66  -  99 rhythm patterns might also be part of all that we see in the name of Deception? There is Michael Intelligence and then there is the active School of think tanks, theives from Jackson Hole Wyoming, the Mossad of Israel and MI5 from Britain....all Ahrimanic cultures and super secret intelligence clubs and the MSM, in cahoots with the coming of Ahriman and his preparation.  Shouldn't all of the rich details of these events be obvious to Anthro and Michael students? 

                                Christ had to fire up the intuitive clarity and intimate discernment of the spiritual forces he needed in human hearts, minds and wills to focus the full Sun Force into the shattering foundation of the core of Man.  Anyone or any country who helped secure the Christ or any wisdom that helped this event to arise, are enemies of Ahriman -  We heard GWB utter those idiotic and unholy challenging words that aiding terrorists or harboring terrorists or going to any country and hunting down whom ever Ahriman determines is a threat -  Yet, U can't be an historian because you can't understand the difference between War between two Spiritual Powers -  Michael Intelligence and Ahrimaniclly nested beings who are creating defensive instincts and defensive shells inside the human intellectual soul vehicle and the sentient soul vehicle and sealing the dead light of the confiscated soul forces into instincts and fight or flight defenses aligned with the profile of Hannibal Lecter himself.   You can't grasp these things therefore you cannot really be an historian in the Michael School now can U?  Or Can U?

                                http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/10/fri-5-oct-2007-francis.html

                                From Dachau to Jerusalem to Nuremberg to Munich to Annapolis

                                Fri, 5 Oct 2007

                                Francis A. Boyle

                                During the summer of 1982 I had the opportunity to visit the Nazi concentration camp just outside Dachau , Germany and then the little town itself. Given the proximity of the town to the camp, my immediate reaction was: "This town is so close to the camp that the citizens of Dachau must have known what was going on out there. Why did they not do anything about it?" I had the exact same reaction during the last two weeks of May 1986 as I traveled up and down the West Bank and Gaza Strip in order to investigate Israel 's atrocities and war crimes against the Palestinians.

                                When I then complained about these reprehensible practices to the appropriate high-level legal officials sequentially at the Israeli Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, I was told that they were all required by and could be justified under the doctrine of "military necessity." Rather than engaging in an extended debate over this point, I simply responded to all three of these lawyers that this was precisely the argument used by the Nazi war criminals before the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1945 to justify their own incredible outrages upon humanity, including the Jewish people. After a bit more argumentation, these three lawyers basically conceded my Nuremberg analysis, but then each independently, uncannily, and matter-of-factly informed me: "We have public relations people in the United States who take care of these matters for us."

                                Even more distressingly, upon a visit to the office of the Legal Adviser to the Foreign Ministry to discuss the prospects for peace, I was immediately informed by him that Israel had a "claim" under international law to the West Bank : it might not constitute the basis for perfect title, but it was nevertheless a "claim." At the time I recalled the fact that of course Hitler had a "claim" to the Sudetenland as well. Although the Munich Pact of 1938 permitted German occupation and annexation of the Sudetenland into the Nazi Reich, this act of cowardice by Great Britain and France ultimately paved the way for the outbreak of the Second World War one year later, with all the tragic consequences that conflagration entailed for the Jewish people, among others.

                                Today, the United States and Israel are striving to consummate a Middle East version of the Munich Pact that will sell out of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and a real independent state of their own. Only history will tell if the consequences shall be as tragic for the fate of the Arab and Jewish peoples in the Middle East , if not the rest of the world. I fear that there is a high probability that history will repeat itself.

                                Professor Francis A. Boyle served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations and its Chair Dr Haidar Abdul Shaffi from 1991 to 1993. He is the author of Palestine, Palestinians and International Law (Clarity Press: 2003).

                              • holderlin66
                                A B-52 bomber taking offA new report has linked the mysterious flight of a nuclear armed B-52 bomber to the US Vice President s secret plan to attack Iran.
                                Message 15 of 22 , Oct 8, 2007
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                                  A B-52 bomber taking off
                                  A new report has linked the mysterious flight of a nuclear armed B-52 bomber to the US Vice President's secret plan to attack Iran.

                                  Earlier, news outlets revealed that, on August 30, a B-52 bomber loaded with six nuclear armed cruise missiles had flown for more than three hours over several states. The incident prompted an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander.

                                  The report by Webster Tarpley published on Rense website on Saturday claimed that many analysts believed those weapons were destined to be used in a nuclear blitz on Iran, which may have been scheduled for September 6, the day that Israel launched its own aerial attack on Syria.

                                  The report adds " Even more heinous uses of these cruise missiles here inside the United States can also not be excluded, given the insistence of the Cheney Doctrine on a terrorist act in the US to be blamed on Iran as the immediate pretext for the Iran war ­ as Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate Foreign relations Committee on Feb. 1, 2007."

                                  Many sources (see Wayne Madsen Report, September 24) agree that the transfer of these nuclear weapons to Iran was blocked by US Air Force personnel, backed up by anti-Cheney factions in the intelligence community, who refused to obey an illegal order.

                                  It is also important to note that some half dozen personnel linked to the Minot and Barksdale air bases have reportedly died under mysterious circumstances since July.

                                  Elsewhere in his report, Terpley quotes his sources as saying that "It is unlikely that a sneak attack on Iran could get through the normal channels of the US national security interagency process. The realization of Cheney's war plan depends upon an outside manufactured event, along the lines of 9/11, which could be used to engineer the typical neocon end run around the standard operating procedures and launch the wider war. "

                                  Webster Griffin Tarpley is an author, lecturer, and critic of US foreign and domestic policy. He maintains that the events of 9/11 were engineered by the military and arms industries. He envisions a model of false flag terror operated by a rogue network of independent operatives in the privatized military intelligence sector and corporate media.
                                • happypick2000
                                  Thank you, holderlin66 - I shall attempt to cut/paste my information regarding this, and should it fail, considering the extreme length, a following post shall
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Oct 8, 2007
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                                    Thank you, holderlin66 - I shall attempt to cut/paste my information
                                    regarding this, and should it fail, considering the extreme length, a
                                    following post shall be sent.

                                    Regards,

                                    Happy

                                    --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > A B-52 bomber taking offA new report has linked the mysterious flight
                                    > of a nuclear armed B-52 bomber to the US Vice President's secret plan to
                                    > attack Iran.
                                    >
                                    > Earlier, news outlets revealed that, on August 30, a B-52 bomber loaded
                                    > with six nuclear armed cruise missiles had flown for more than three
                                    > hours over several states. The incident prompted an Air Force
                                    > investigation and the firing of one commander.
                                    >
                                    > The report by Webster Tarpley published on Rense website on Saturday
                                    > claimed that many analysts believed those weapons were destined to be
                                    > used in a nuclear blitz on Iran, which may have been scheduled for
                                    > September 6, the day that Israel launched its own aerial attack on
                                    > Syria.
                                    >
                                    > The report adds " Even more heinous uses of these cruise missiles here
                                    > inside the United States can also not be excluded, given the insistence
                                    > of the Cheney Doctrine on a terrorist act in the US to be blamed on Iran
                                    > as the immediate pretext for the Iran war ­ as Zbigniew Brzezinski
                                    > told the Senate Foreign relations Committee on Feb. 1, 2007."
                                    >
                                    > Many sources (see Wayne Madsen Report, September 24) agree that the
                                    > transfer of these nuclear weapons to Iran was blocked by US Air Force
                                    > personnel, backed up by anti-Cheney factions in the intelligence
                                    > community, who refused to obey an illegal order.
                                    >
                                    > It is also important to note that some half dozen personnel linked to
                                    > the Minot and Barksdale air bases have reportedly died under mysterious
                                    > circumstances since July.
                                    >
                                    > Elsewhere in his report, Terpley quotes his sources as saying that "It
                                    > is unlikely that a sneak attack on Iran could get through the normal
                                    > channels of the US national security interagency process. The
                                    > realization of Cheney's war plan depends upon an outside manufactured
                                    > event, along the lines of 9/11, which could be used to engineer the
                                    > typical neocon end run around the standard operating procedures and
                                    > launch the wider war. "
                                    >
                                    > Webster Griffin Tarpley is an author, lecturer, and critic of US foreign
                                    > and domestic policy. He maintains that the events of 9/11 were
                                    > engineered by the military and arms industries. He envisions a model of
                                    > false flag terror operated by a rogue network of independent operatives
                                    > in the privatized military intelligence sector and corporate media.
                                    >
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                                      http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070927&articleId=6918
                                      US, NATO and Israel Deploy Nukes directed against Iran

                                      by Michel Chossudovsky
                                      Global Research, September 27, 2007

                                      Note: Readers are welcome to cross-post this article with a view
                                      to spreading the word and warning people of the dangers of a broader
                                      Middle East war. Please indicate the source and copyright note. In
                                      late August, reported by the Military Times, a US Air Force B-52
                                      bomber flew from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale Air
                                      Force Base in Louisiana with six AGM advanced cruise missiles, each of
                                      which was armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead. "... Missiles were
                                      mounted on the pylons under its wings. Each of the warheads carried a
                                      yield of up to 150 kilotons, more than ten times as powerful as the US
                                      bomb that leveled Hiroshima at the close of the Second World War."
                                      (See Bill Van Auken, Global Research September 2007
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6723> )

                                      The Military Times byline was "B-52 mistakenly flies with nukes
                                      aboard"
                                      <http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/09/marine_nuclear_B52_070904w/>
                                      . The issue was casually acknowledged by The Washington Post and the
                                      New York Times. The reports quoted a US Air force spokesman. The
                                      matter was offhandedly brushed aside. The incident represented "an
                                      isolated mistake" and that "at no time was there a threat to public
                                      safety." (Ibid) :
                                      "As far as is known, the incident marked the first time that a US
                                      plane has taken off armed with nuclear weapons in nearly 40 years. ...
                                      ... The transport of weapons from one base to another, however, is
                                      normally carried out in the holds of C-17 and C-130 cargo planes, not
                                      fixed to the wings of combat bombers.
                                      Someone had to give the order to mount the missiles on the plane.
                                      The question is whether it was a local Air Force commander—either by
                                      mistake or deliberately—or whether the order came from higher up.
                                      B-52s from Barksdale have been used repeatedly to strike targets
                                      in Iraq, firing cruise missiles at Iraqi targets in 1996 and 1998, and
                                      in the "shock and awe" campaign that preceded the 2003 invasion,
                                      carrying out some 150 bombing runs that devastated much of the
                                      southern half of the country.
                                      Moreover, the weapon that was fixed to the wings of the B-52
                                      flying from Minot air base was designed for use against hardened
                                      targets, such as underground bunkers.
                                      Given the ratcheting up of the threats against Iran and the
                                      previous reports of plans for the use of "tactical" nuclear weapons
                                      against Iranian nuclear installations, there is a very real
                                      possibility that the flight to Barksdale was part of covert
                                      preparations for a nuclear strike against Iran.
                                      If this is indeed the case, the claims about a "mistake" by a
                                      munitions officer and a few airmen in North Dakota may well be merely
                                      a cover story aimed at concealing the fact that the government in
                                      Washington is preparing a criminal act of world historic proportions
                                      by ordering—without provocation—the first use of nuclear weapons since
                                      the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than sixty years ago.
                                      (Bill van Auken, op. cit).
                                      In recent developments, Wayne Madsen (September 27)
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6909> has
                                      suggested, based on US and foreign intelligence sources, that the B-52
                                      carrying the advanced cruise missiles with bunker buster nuclear
                                      warheads was in fact destined for the Middle East.
                                      Is the B-52 Barksdale incident in any way related to US plans to
                                      use nuclear weapons against Iran?
                                      Madsen suggests, in this regard, that the operation of shipping
                                      the nuclear warheads was aborted "due to internal opposition within
                                      the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community", which was opposed to a
                                      planned US attack on Iran using nuclear warheads.
                                      Without downplaying the significance of the Barksdale incident, if
                                      Washington were to decide to use nuclear weapons against Iran, they
                                      could be launched at short notice from a number of military bases in
                                      Western Europe and the Middle East, from Diego Garcia in the Indian
                                      Ocean, from a submarine or from a US Aircraft carrier. Turkey has some
                                      90 B61 nuclear weapons which are fully deployed. (See details below).
                                      It should be noted that, with regard to the Barksdale incident, the
                                      150 kt. W-80-1 nuclear warheads mounted on the B-52s are not the type
                                      of nuclear weapon contemplated by the US military for use in the
                                      Middle East conventional war theater. To grasp the seriousness of the
                                      "Barksdale incident", it is important to understand the broader
                                      context of nuclear weapons deployment respectively by the US, NATO and
                                      Israel.
                                      We are not dealing with a single aborted operation of deployment
                                      of nuclear weapons to the Middle East.
                                      There are indications that a large number of US made nuclear
                                      weapons are currently deployed in Western Europe and the Middle East
                                      including Israel.
                                      Coordinated Military Operation We are dealing with a coordinated
                                      military operation in which US Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM) plays a
                                      central role. The main coalition partners are the US, NATO and Israel.
                                      There are four interrelated "building blocks" pertaining to the
                                      preemptive use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East war theater:
                                      1. CONPLAN 8022 formulated in 2004. CONPLAN integrates the use of
                                      conventional and nuclear weapons.
                                      2. National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD) 35, entitled
                                      Nuclear Weapons Deployment Authorization
                                      <http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/index.html> issued in May 2004
                                      3. The deployment of Israeli nuclear weapons directed against
                                      targets in the Middle East
                                      4. Deployment of Nuclear Weapons by NATO/EU countries, directed
                                      against targets in the Middle East
                                      1. CONPLAN 8022
                                      CONPLAN 8022 under the jurisdiction of USSTRATCOM sets the stage.
                                      It envisages the integration of conventional and nuclear weapons and
                                      the use of nukes on a preemptive basis in the conventional war
                                      theater. It is described as "a concept plan for the quick use of
                                      nuclear, conventional, or information warfare capabilities to
                                      destroy--preemptively, if necessary--"time-urgent targets" anywhere in
                                      the world." CONPLAN became operational in early 2004. "As a result,
                                      the Bush administration's preemption policy is now operational on
                                      long-range bombers, strategic submarines on deterrent patrol, and
                                      presumably intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs)." (Robert S.
                                      Norris and Hans M. Kristensen, Bulletin of Atomic Scientists
                                      <http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=jf06norris> )
                                      CONCEPT PLAN (CONPLAN) 8022 now consists of "an actual plan that
                                      the Navy and the Air Force translate into strike package for their
                                      submarines and bombers,' (Japanese Economic Newswire, 30 December
                                      2005, For further details see Michel Chossudovsky, Nuclear War against
                                      Iran, op. cit.).
                                      "CONPLAN 8022 is 'the overall umbrella plan for sort of the
                                      pre-planned strategic scenarios involving nuclear weapons.'"
                                      2. Nuclear Weapons Deployment Authorization: NSPD 35 (2004)
                                      National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD) 35, entitled
                                      Nuclear Weapons Deployment Authorization
                                      <http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/index.html> was issued in May
                                      2004.
                                      The contents of this highly sensitive document remains a carefully
                                      guarded State secret. There has been no mention of NSPD 35 by the
                                      media nor even in Congressional debates. While its contents remains
                                      classified, the presumption is that NSPD 35 pertains to the deployment
                                      of tactical nuclear weapons in the Middle East war theater in
                                      compliance with CONPLAN 8022.
                                      There are unconfirmed reports that B61-11 type tactical nuclear
                                      weapons have been deployed to the Middle East following NSPD 35.
                                      According to a report published in the Turkish press, the B-61s could
                                      be used against Iran, if Iran were to retaliate with conventional
                                      weapons to a US or Israeli attack (See Ibrahim Karagul, "The US is
                                      Deploying Nuclear Weapons in Iraq Against Iran", Yeni Safak,. 20
                                      December 2005, quoted in BBC Monitoring Europe). In this regard,
                                      NSPD-17 of December 2002 entitled National Strategy to Combat Weapons
                                      of Mass Destruction, quoted in the Washington Times (January 31, 2003)
                                      <http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd-17.html> points to possible
                                      use of nuclear weapons in retaliation, if US or allied forces are
                                      attacked:

                                      0."The United States will continue to make clear that it reserves
                                      the right to respond with overwhelming force — including potentially
                                      nuclear weapons — to the use of [weapons of mass destruction] against
                                      the United States, our forces abroad, and friends and allies."
                                      (emphaisis added, this section quoted by the WT pertains to the
                                      classified version of NSPD)
                                      0.
                                      3. Israeli Nukes
                                      Israel is part of the military alliance and is slated to play a
                                      major role in case the planned attacks on Iran were to be carried
                                      out. (For details see Michel Chossudovsky, Nuclear War against Iran,
                                      Jan 2006
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20CH20060103&articleId=1714>
                                      ).
                                      Israel possesses 100-200 strategic nuclear warheads
                                      <http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/isnukes.html> . In
                                      2003, Washington and Tel Aviv confirmed that they were collaborating
                                      in "the deployment of US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with
                                      nuclear warheads in Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines." (The
                                      Observer, 12 October 2003)
                                      <http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1061381,00.html>
                                      . Coinciding with the 2005 preparations to wage air strikes against
                                      Iran, Israel took delivery of two new German produced submarines
                                      "that could launch nuclear-armed cruise missiles for a "second-strike"
                                      deterrent." (Newsweek, 13 February 2006. See also CDI Data Base)
                                      <http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/nukearsenals.cfm>
                                      The Israeli military and political circles had been making
                                      statements on the possibility of nuclear and missile strikes on Iran
                                      openly since October, 2006, when the idea was immediately supported by
                                      G. Bush. Currently it is touted in the form of a "necessity" of
                                      nuclear strikes. The public is taught to believe that there is nothing
                                      monstrous about such a possibility and that, on the contrary, a
                                      nuclear strike is quite feasible. Allegedly, there is no other way to
                                      "stop" Iran. (General Leonid Ivashov, Iran Must Get Ready to Repel a
                                      Nuclear Attack, Global Research, January 2007
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4581> )
                                      At the outset of Bush's second term, Vice President Dick Cheney
                                      dropped a bombshell. He hinted, in no uncertain terms, that Iran was
                                      "right at the top of the list" of the rogue enemies of America, and
                                      that Israel would, so to speak, "be doing the bombing for us", without
                                      US military involvement and without us putting pressure on them "to do
                                      it".
                                      "Rather than a direct American nuclear strike against Iran's hard
                                      targets, Israel has been given the assignment of launching a
                                      coordinated cluster of nuclear strikes aimed at targets that are the
                                      nuclear installations in the Iranian cities: Natanz, Isfahan and
                                      Arak.(Michael Carmichael, Global research, January 2007)
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4477>
                                      Israel is a Rottweiler on a leash: The US wants to "set Israel
                                      loose" to attack Iran.
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/AVN502A.html> Commenting the
                                      Vice President's assertion, former National Security adviser Zbigniew
                                      Brzezinski in an interview on PBS, confirmed with some apprehension,
                                      yes: Cheney wants [former] Prime Ariel Sharon to act on America's
                                      behalf and "do it" for us:
                                      ..."And the vice president today in a kind of a strange parallel
                                      statement to this declaration of freedom hinted that the Israelis may
                                      do it and in fact used language which sounds like a justification or
                                      even an encouragement for the Israelis to do it."
                                      Beneath the rhetoric, what we are dealing with is a joint
                                      US-NATO-Israeli military operation directed against Iran and Syria,
                                      which has been in the active planning stage since 2004. US advisers in
                                      the Pentagon have been working assiduously with their Israeli military
                                      and intelligence counterparts, carefully identifying targets inside
                                      Iran ( Seymour Hersh,
                                      http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HER501A.html
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HER501A.html> )
                                      In recent developments, at the September 2007 meetings of the
                                      Vienna based IAEA, a critical resolution, implicitly aimed at Israel,
                                      was put forth which would put Israel's nuclear program "under
                                      international purview." The resolution was adopted with the US and
                                      Israel voting against it.
                                      4. NATO Nukes. Nuclear Weapons Deployment by Five Non-nuclear States
                                      Several Western European countries, officially considered as
                                      "non-nuclear states", possess tactical nuclear weapons, supplied to
                                      them by Washington.
                                      The US has supplied some 480 B61 thermonuclear bombs
                                      <http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/B61.html> to five
                                      non-nuclear NATO countries including Belgium, Germany, Italy, the
                                      Netherlands and Turkey, and one nuclear country, the United Kingdom.
                                      These weapons are ready for delivery to "known military targets".



                                      Source: http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm
                                      <http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm>
                                      See Details and Map of Nuclear Facilities located in 5 European
                                      Non-Nuclear States <http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/euro/euro_pt1.pdf>



                                      As part of this European stockpiling, Turkey, which is a partner
                                      of the US-led coalition against Iran along with Israel, possesses some
                                      90 thermonuclear B61 bombs at the Incirlik nuclear air base. (National
                                      Resources Defense Council, Nuclear Weapons in Europe
                                      <http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/euro/contents.asp> , February 2005).

                                      Consistent with US nuclear policy, the deployment of B61 nuclear
                                      weapons in Western Europe, which dates back to the Cold war era, is
                                      also intended for targets in the Middle East. Confirmed by "NATO
                                      strike plans", these thermonuclear B61 bunker buster bombs (stockpiled
                                      by the "non-nuclear States") could be launched "against targets in
                                      Russia or countries in the Middle East such as Syria and Iran" (
                                      quoted in National Resources Defense Council, Nuclear Weapons in
                                      Europe <http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/euro/contents.asp> , February 2005)


                                      Confirmed by (partially) declassified documents (released under
                                      the U.S. Freedom of Information Act):
                                      "... The approximately 480 nuclear bombs [now 350] in Europe are
                                      intended for use in accordance with NATO nuclear strike plans, the
                                      report asserts, against targets in Russia or countries in the Middle
                                      East such as Iran and Syria.
                                      The report shows for the first time how many U.S. nuclear bombs
                                      are earmarked for delivery by non-nuclear NATO countries. In times of
                                      war, under certain circumstances, up to 180 of the 480 nuclear bombs
                                      would be handed over to Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and
                                      Turkey for delivery by their national air forces. No other nuclear
                                      power or military alliance has nuclear weapons earmarked for delivery
                                      by non-nuclear countries." (quoted in
                                      http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm
                                      <http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm> emphasis added)
                                      In the post-Cold War era, the procedures governing the use of
                                      these EU/NATO nuclear weapons were redefined. The U.S. military made
                                      arrangements in the mid-1990s for the use of these nukes outside the
                                      area of jurisdiction of European Command (EURCOM). For EURCOM, this
                                      would mean responsibility for delivery of nukes within CENTCOM's
                                      (Central Command) area of jurisdiction, meaning that nuclear attacks
                                      on Iran and Syria could be launched from military bases in these
                                      non-nuclear EU/NATO countries:
                                      The report also documents that the U.S. military in 1994 made
                                      arrangements for nuclear targeting and use of nuclear weapons in
                                      Europe outside European Command's (EUCOM) area of responsibility. For
                                      EUCOM, this means CENTCOM (Central Command) which incorporates Iran
                                      and Syria .. It is unclear whether [the] parliaments [of EU/NATO
                                      countries] are aware of arrangements to target and potentially strike
                                      Middle Eastern countries with nuclear weapons based in Europe.
                                      (http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm
                                      <http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm>

                                      It is worth noting, based on recent information published by the
                                      National Resources Defense Council (August 2007),
                                      <http://www.gsinstitute.org/pnnd/updates/PNNDupdate18.html> that the
                                      number of B61 nuclear bombs in Europe has been reduced from 480 to
                                      350, following the removal of 130 bombs from the Ramstein airbase in
                                      Germany.




                                      Source: http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm
                                      <http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/nato.htm>



                                      Nuclear Weapons' Double Standards. Where is the Nuclear Threat?
                                      While these "non-nuclear states" casually accuse Tehran of developing
                                      nuclear weapons, without documentary evidence, they themselves have
                                      capabilities of delivering nuclear warheads, which are targeted at
                                      Iran and Syria. To say that this is a clear case of "double
                                      standards" in the process of identifying the threat of nuclear weapons
                                      is a gross understatement.
                                      France's President Nicolas Sarkozy Endorses Bush's Pre-emptive
                                      Nuclear War Doctrine
                                      France accuses Tehran of developing nuclear weapons against
                                      mountains of evidence that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.
                                      The Sarkozy government favors a military operation directed
                                      against Iran. Ironically, these threats by President Sarkozy and his
                                      Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner were formulated immediately
                                      following the release of the IAEA Report. The latter confirms
                                      unequivocally the civilian nature of Iran's nuclear program.
                                      According to President Sarkozy in his September 26, 2007 address
                                      to the UN General Assembly:
                                      "There will be no peace in the world if the international
                                      community falters in the face of nuclear arms proliferation … Weakness
                                      and renunciation do not lead to peace. They lead to war,"
                                      France has also confirmed that it could use its own nuclear
                                      warheads estimated at between 200 and 300, on a preemptive basis. In
                                      January 2006, (former) President Jacques Chirac announced a major
                                      shift in France's nuclear weapons policy.
                                      Without mentioning Iran, Chirac intimated that France's nukes
                                      should be used in the form of "more focused attacks" against
                                      countries, which were "considering" the deployment of Weapons of Mass
                                      Destruction (WMD).
                                      He also hinted to the possibility that tactical nuclear weapons
                                      could be used in conventional war theaters, very much in line with
                                      both US and NATO nuclear doctrine (See Chirac shifts French doctrine
                                      for use of nuclear weapons
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MAC20060212&articleId=1956>
                                      , Nucleonics Week January 26, 2006).
                                      Chirac's successor, Nicolas Sarkozy has embraced the US sponsored
                                      "War on Terrorism".
                                      France supports the preemptive use of nuclear weapons in the
                                      conventional war theater, broadly following the principles formulated
                                      in the Bush Administration's nuclear doctrine, which allows the use
                                      of nukes (against Iran or Syria) for purposes of "self-defense".

                                      A Note of Caution The existence of war plans, which are currently
                                      in an advanced state of readiness, does not imply that war will occur.
                                      But at the same time, these war plans and their consequences must be
                                      forcefully addressed. An all out war, which would engulf the entire
                                      Middle East Central Asian region, cannot be excluded. Moreover, a
                                      political consensus in favor of a war directed against Iran is
                                      building up in the US. This war agenda is now supported by several of
                                      America's European allies including Britain, France and Germany.
                                      Public opinion is not informed due to a media blackout. The war on
                                      Iran using nuclear weapons is not front page news. The legitimacy of
                                      the war criminals in high office remains intact. There is visibly no
                                      mass movement against this war as occured in the months leading up to
                                      the Iraq invasion. Moreover, concurrent with the development of the
                                      war agenda, the Western countries are developing their "Homeland
                                      Security" apparatus with a view to to curbing public protest against
                                      the war. In the months ahead, we can expect the media propaganda war
                                      against Iran to go into high gear with a view to galvanising public
                                      opinion in support of a military intervention. It is absolutely
                                      essential that people in America and around the World take a firm
                                      position against a war, which in a very real sense threatens the
                                      future of humanity. Note: Readers are welcome to cross-post this
                                      article with a view to spreading the word and warning people of the
                                      dangers of a broader Middle East war. Please indicate the source and
                                      copyright note.
                                      Michel Chossudovsky
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060520&articleId=2479>
                                      is the author of the international best America's "War on Terrorism"
                                      <http://www.globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/truth911.html> Global
                                      Research, 2005. He is Professor of Economics at the University of
                                      Ottawa and Director of the Center for Research on Globalization.

                                      ***


                                      http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=76162&mesg_id=76167

                                      TOPOFF 4 Full-Scale Exercise October 15-24, 2007: Portland,
                                      Phoenix, and Guam

                                      The T4 FSE is based on National Planning Scenario 11 (NPS-11). The
                                      scenario begins as terrorists, who have been planning attacks in
                                      Oregon, Arizona, and the U.S. Territory of Guam, successfully bring
                                      radioactive material into the United States. The first of three
                                      coordinated attacks occurs in Guam, with the simulated detonation of a
                                      Radiological Dispersal Device (RDD), or "dirty bomb," causing
                                      casualties and wide-spread contamination in a populous area near a
                                      power plant. Similar attacks occur in the hours that follow in
                                      Portland and Phoenix. An RDD is not the same as a nuclear attack. It
                                      is a conventional explosive that, upon detonation, releases
                                      radioactive material into the surrounding area. Although it does not
                                      cause the type of catastrophic damage associated with a nuclear
                                      detonation, there are severe rescue, health, and long-term
                                      decontamination concerns associated with an RDD. Real weapons will not
                                      be used in the scenario, but the response will be mounted as if they
                                      had been.
                                      DHS - The TOPOFF 4 Full-Scale Exercise October 15-24, 2007

                                      A Rigorous Full-Scale Response to a Coordinated Attack
                                      Taking place October 15-24, 2007, the TOPOFF 4 Full-Scale Exercise
                                      (T4 FSE) will feature thousands of Federal, State, territorial, and
                                      local officials. These officials will engage in various activities as
                                      part of a robust, full-scale simulated response to a multi-faceted
                                      threat. The exercise will address policy and strategic issues that
                                      mobilize prevention and response systems, require participants to make
                                      difficult decisions, carry out essential functions, and challenge
                                      their ability to maintain a common operating picture during an
                                      incident of national significance. As in a real-world response,
                                      agencies and organizations will deploy staff into the field and will
                                      face realistic incident-specific challenges, including the allocation
                                      of limited response resources and exercise actions needed to
                                      effectively manage conditions as they emerge. Planning and preparation
                                      for the exercise will also help strengthen working relationships
                                      between departments and agencies that are critical to successful
                                      prevention and response in real emergencies.

                                      ***

                                      http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/21399/index.php

                                      6 Air Force Pilots Die Mysteriously After Reporting Nuclear Incident

                                      Mystery surrounds deaths of Minot airmen
                                      Sat, 22 Sep 2007

                                      Six members of the US Air Force who were involved in the Minot AFB
                                      incident,
                                      have died mysteriously, an anti-Bush activist group says.

                                      The incident happened when a B-52 bomber was "mistakenly" loaded
                                      with six
                                      nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across
                                      several states,
                                      prompting an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander.

                                      The plane was carrying Advanced Cruise Missiles from Minot Air
                                      Force Base,
                                      N.D, to Barksdale Air Force Base on August 30.

                                      The Air Combat Command has ordered a command-wide stand down on
                                      September 14
                                      to review procedures, officials said.

                                      The missiles, which are being decommissioned, were mounted onto
                                      pylons on
                                      the bomber's wings and it is unclear why the warheads had not been
                                      removed
                                      beforehand.

                                      In addition to the munitions squadron commander who was relieved
                                      of his
                                      duties, crews involved in the incident, including ground crew
                                      workers had
                                      been temporarily decertified for handling munitions.

                                      The activist group Citizens for Legitimate Government said the six
                                      members
                                      of the US Air Force who were directly involved as loaders or as
                                      pilots, were
                                      killed within 7 days in 'accidents'.

                                      The victims include Airman First Class Todd Blue, 20, who died
                                      while on
                                      leave in Virginia. A statement by the military confirmed his death
                                      but did
                                      not say how he died.

                                      In another accident, a married couple from Barksdale Air Force
                                      Base were
                                      killed in the 5100 block of Shreveport-Blanchard Highway. The two were
                                      riding a 2007 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, with the husband driving
                                      and the
                                      wife the passenger, police said.

                                      "They were traveling behind a northbound Pontiac Aztec driven by Erica
                                      Jerry, 35, of Shreveport," the county sheriff said. "Jerry
                                      initiated a left
                                      turn into a business parking lot at the same time the man driving the
                                      motorcycle attempted to pass her van on the left in a no passing
                                      zone. They
                                      collided."

                                      Adam Barrs, a 20-year-old airman from Minot Air Force Base was
                                      killed in a
                                      crash on the outskirts of the city.

                                      First Lt. Weston Kissel, 28, a Minot Air Force Base bomber pilot,
                                      was killed
                                      in a motorcycle crash in Tennessee, the military officials say.

                                      Police found the body of a missing Air Force captain John Frueh
                                      near Badger
                                      Peak in northeast Skamania County, Washington.

                                      The Activist group says the mysterious deaths of the air force
                                      members could
                                      indicate to a conspiracy to cover up the truth about the Minot Air
                                      Base
                                      incident.

                                      ***




                                      http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/08/071008fa_fact_hersh?printable=true
                                      SHIFTING TARGETS
                                      The Administration's plan for Iran.
                                      by Seymour M. Hersh
                                      OCTOBER 8, 2007

                                      In a series of public statements in recent months, President Bush
                                      and members of his Administration have redefined the war in Iraq, to
                                      an increasing degree, as a strategic battle between the United States
                                      and Iran. "Shia extremists, backed by Iran, are training Iraqis to
                                      carry out attacks on our forces and the Iraqi people," Bush told the
                                      national convention of the American Legion in August. "The attacks on
                                      our bases and our troops by Iranian-supplied munitions have increased.
                                      . . . The Iranian regime must halt these actions. And, until it does,
                                      I will take actions necessary to protect our troops." He then
                                      concluded, to applause, "I have authorized our military commanders in
                                      Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities."
                                      The President's position, and its corollary—that, if many of
                                      America's problems in Iraq are the responsibility of Tehran, then the
                                      solution to them is to confront the Iranians—have taken firm hold in
                                      the Administration. This summer, the White House, pushed by the office
                                      of Vice-President Dick Cheney, requested that the Joint Chiefs of
                                      Staff redraw long-standing plans for a possible attack on Iran,
                                      according to former officials and government consultants. The focus of
                                      the plans had been a broad bombing attack, with targets including
                                      Iran's known and suspected nuclear facilities and other military and
                                      infrastructure sites. Now the emphasis is on "surgical" strikes on
                                      Revolutionary Guard Corps facilities in Tehran and elsewhere, which,
                                      the Administration claims, have been the source of attacks on
                                      Americans in Iraq. What had been presented primarily as a
                                      counter-proliferation mission has been reconceived as counterterrorism.
                                      The shift in targeting reflects three developments. First, the
                                      President and his senior advisers have concluded that their campaign
                                      to convince the American public that Iran poses an imminent nuclear
                                      threat has failed (unlike a similar campaign before the Iraq war), and
                                      that as a result there is not enough popular support for a major
                                      bombing campaign. The second development is that the White House has
                                      come to terms, in private, with the general consensus of the American
                                      intelligence community that Iran is at least five years away from
                                      obtaining a bomb. And, finally, there has been a growing recognition
                                      in Washington and throughout the Middle East that Iran is emerging as
                                      the geopolitical winner of the war in Iraq.
                                      During a secure videoconference that took place early this summer,
                                      the President told Ryan Crocker, the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, that he
                                      was thinking of hitting Iranian targets across the border and that the
                                      British "were on board." At that point, Secretary of State Condoleezza
                                      Rice interjected that there was a need to proceed carefully, because
                                      of the ongoing diplomatic track. Bush ended by instructing Crocker to
                                      tell Iran to stop interfering in Iraq or it would face American
                                      retribution.
                                      At a White House meeting with Cheney this summer, according to a
                                      former senior intelligence official, it was agreed that, if limited
                                      strikes on Iran were carried out, the Administration could fend off
                                      criticism by arguing that they were a defensive action to save
                                      soldiers in Iraq. If Democrats objected, the Administration could say,
                                      "Bill Clinton did the same thing; he conducted limited strikes in
                                      Afghanistan, the Sudan, and in Baghdad to protect American lives." The
                                      former intelligence official added, "There is a desperate effort by
                                      Cheney et al. to bring military action to Iran as soon as possible.
                                      Meanwhile, the politicians are saying, `You can't do it, because every
                                      Republican is going to be defeated, and we're only one fact from going
                                      over the cliff in Iraq.' But Cheney doesn't give a rat's ass about the
                                      Republican worries, and neither does the President."
                                      Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "The President has made
                                      it clear that the United States government remains committed to a
                                      diplomatic solution with respect to Iran. The State Department is
                                      working diligently along with the international community to address
                                      our broad range of concerns." (The White House declined to comment.)
                                      I was repeatedly cautioned, in interviews, that the President has
                                      yet to issue the "execute order" that would be required for a military
                                      operation inside Iran, and such an order may never be issued. But
                                      there has been a significant increase in the tempo of attack planning.
                                      In mid-August, senior officials told reporters that the Administration
                                      intended to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign
                                      terrorist organization. And two former senior officials of the C.I.A.
                                      told me that, by late summer, the agency had increased the size and
                                      the authority of the Iranian Operations Group. (A spokesman for the
                                      agency said, "The C.I.A. does not, as a rule, publicly discuss the
                                      relative size of its operational components.")
                                      "They're moving everybody to the Iran desk," one recently retired
                                      C.I.A. official said. "They're dragging in a lot of analysts and
                                      ramping up everything. It's just like the fall of 2002"—the months
                                      before the invasion of Iraq, when the Iraqi Operations Group became
                                      the most important in the agency. He added, "The guys now running the
                                      Iranian program have limited direct experience with Iran. In the event
                                      of an attack, how will the Iranians react? They will react, and the
                                      Administration has not thought it all the way through."
                                      That theme was echoed by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former
                                      national-security adviser, who said that he had heard discussions of
                                      the White House's more limited bombing plans for Iran. Brzezinski said
                                      that Iran would likely react to an American attack "by intensifying
                                      the conflict in Iraq and also in Afghanistan, their neighbors, and
                                      that could draw in Pakistan. We will be stuck in a regional war for
                                      twenty years."
                                      In a speech at the United Nations last week, Iran's President,
                                      Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was defiant. He referred to America as an
                                      "aggressor" state, and said, "How can the incompetents who cannot even
                                      manage and control themselves rule humanity and arrange its affairs?
                                      Unfortunately, they have put themselves in the position of God." (The
                                      day before, at Columbia, he suggested that the facts of the Holocaust
                                      still needed to be determined.)
                                      "A lot depends on how stupid the Iranians will be," Brzezinski
                                      told me. "Will they cool off Ahmadinejad and tone down their
                                      language?" The Bush Administration, by charging that Iran was
                                      interfering in Iraq, was aiming "to paint it as `We're responding to
                                      what is an intolerable situation,' " Brzezinski said. "This time,
                                      unlike the attack in Iraq, we're going to play the victim. The name of
                                      our game seems to be to get the Iranians to overplay their hand."
                                      General David Petraeus, the commander of the multinational forces
                                      in Iraq, in his report to Congress in September, buttressed the
                                      Administration's case against Iran. "None of us, earlier this year,
                                      appreciated the extent of Iranian involvement in Iraq, something about
                                      which we and Iraq's leaders all now have greater concern," he said.
                                      Iran, Petraeus said, was fighting "a proxy war against the Iraqi state
                                      and coalition forces in Iraq."
                                      Iran has had a presence in Iraq for decades; the extent and the
                                      purpose of its current activities there are in dispute, however.
                                      During Saddam Hussein's rule, when the Sunni-dominated Baath Party
                                      brutally oppressed the majority Shiites, Iran supported them. Many in
                                      the present Iraqi Shiite leadership, including prominent members of
                                      the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, spent years in exile
                                      in Iran; last week, at the Council on Foreign Relations, Maliki said,
                                      according to the Washington Post, that Iraq's relations with the
                                      Iranians had "improved to the point that they are not interfering in
                                      our internal affairs." Iran is so entrenched in Iraqi Shiite circles
                                      that any "proxy war" could be as much through the Iraqi state as
                                      against it. The crux of the Bush Administration's strategic dilemma is
                                      that its decision to back a Shiite-led government after the fall of
                                      Saddam has empowered Iran, and made it impossible to exclude Iran from
                                      the Iraqi political scene.
                                      Vali Nasr, a professor of international politics at Tufts
                                      University, who is an expert on Iran and Shiism, told me, "Between
                                      2003 and 2006, the Iranians thought they were closest to the United
                                      States on the issue of Iraq." The Iraqi Shia religious leadership
                                      encouraged Shiites to avoid confrontation with American soldiers and
                                      to participate in elections—believing that a one-man, one-vote
                                      election process could only result in a Shia-dominated government.
                                      Initially, the insurgency was mainly Sunni, especially Al Qaeda in
                                      Mesopotamia. Nasr told me that Iran's policy since 2003 has been to
                                      provide funding, arms, and aid to several Shiite factions—including
                                      some in Maliki's coalition. The problem, Nasr said, is that "once you
                                      put the arms on the ground you cannot control how they're used later."
                                      In the Shiite view, the White House "only looks at Iran's ties to
                                      Iraq in terms of security," Nasr said. "Last year, over one million
                                      Iranians travelled to Iraq on pilgrimages, and there is more than a
                                      billion dollars a year in trading between the two countries. But the
                                      Americans act as if every Iranian inside Iraq were there to import
                                      weapons."
                                      Many of those who support the President's policy argue that Iran
                                      poses an imminent threat. In a recent essay in Commentary, Norman
                                      Podhoretz depicted President Ahmadinejad as a revolutionary, "like
                                      Hitler . . . whose objective is to overturn the going international
                                      system and to replace it . . . with a new order dominated by Iran. . .
                                      . [T]he plain and brutal truth is that if Iran is to be prevented from
                                      developing a nuclear arsenal, there is no alternative to the actual
                                      use of military force." Podhoretz concluded, "I pray with all my
                                      heart" that President Bush "will find it possible to take the only
                                      action that can stop Iran from following through on its evil
                                      intentions both toward us and toward Israel." Podhoretz recently told
                                      politico.com that he had met with the President for about forty-five
                                      minutes to urge him to take military action against Iran, and believed
                                      that "Bush is going to hit" Iran before leaving office. (Podhoretz,
                                      one of the founders of neoconservatism, is a strong backer of Rudolph
                                      Giuliani's Presidential campaign, and his son-in-law, Elliott Abrams,
                                      is a senior adviser to President Bush on national security.)
                                      In early August, Army Lieutenant General Raymond Odierno, the
                                      second-ranking U.S. commander in Iraq, told the Times about an
                                      increase in attacks involving explosively formed penetrators, a type
                                      of lethal bomb that discharges a semi-molten copper slug that can rip
                                      through the armor of Humvees. The Times reported that U.S.
                                      intelligence and technical analyses indicated that Shiite militias had
                                      obtained the bombs from Iran. Odierno said that Iranians had been
                                      "surging support" over the past three or four months.
                                      Questions remain, however, about the provenance of weapons in
                                      Iraq, especially given the rampant black market in arms. David Kay, a
                                      former C.I.A. adviser and the chief weapons inspector in Iraq for the
                                      United Nations, told me that his inspection team was astonished, in
                                      the aftermath of both Iraq wars, by "the huge amounts of arms" it
                                      found circulating among civilians and military personnel throughout
                                      the country. He recalled seeing stockpiles of explosively formed
                                      penetrators, as well as charges that had been recovered from
                                      unexploded American cluster bombs. Arms had also been supplied years
                                      ago by the Iranians to their Shiite allies in southern Iraq who had
                                      been persecuted by the Baath Party.
                                      "I thought Petraeus went way beyond what Iran is doing inside Iraq
                                      today," Kay said. "When the White House started its anti-Iran
                                      campaign, six months ago, I thought it was all craziness. Now it does
                                      look like there is some selective smuggling by Iran, but much of it
                                      has been in response to American pressure and American threats—more a
                                      `shot across the bow' sort of thing, to let Washington know that it
                                      was not going to get away with its threats so freely. Iran is not
                                      giving the Iraqis the good stuff—the anti-aircraft missiles that can
                                      shoot down American planes and its advanced anti-tank weapons."
                                      Another element of the Administration's case against Iran is the
                                      presence of Iranian agents in Iraq. General Petraeus, testifying
                                      before Congress, said that a commando faction of the Revolutionary
                                      Guards was seeking to turn its allies inside Iraq into a
                                      "Hezbollah-like force to serve its interests." In August, Army Major
                                      General Rick Lynch, the commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, told
                                      reporters in Baghdad that his troops were tracking some fifty Iranian
                                      men sent by the Revolutionary Guards who were training Shiite
                                      insurgents south of Baghdad. "We know they're here and we target them
                                      as well," he said.
                                      Patrick Clawson, an expert on Iran at the Washington Institute for
                                      Near East Policy, told me that "there are a lot of Iranians at any
                                      time inside Iraq, including those doing intelligence work and those
                                      doing humanitarian missions. It would be prudent for the
                                      Administration to produce more evidence of direct military training—or
                                      produce fighters captured in Iraq who had been trained in Iran." He
                                      added, "It will be important for the Iraqi government to be able to
                                      state that they were unaware of this activity"; otherwise, given the
                                      intense relationship between the Iraqi Shiite leadership and Tehran,
                                      the Iranians could say that "they had been asked by the Iraqi
                                      government to train these people." (In late August, American troops
                                      raided a Baghdad hotel and arrested a group of Iranians. They were a
                                      delegation from Iran's energy ministry, and had been invited to Iraq
                                      by the Maliki government; they were later released.)
                                      "If you want to attack, you have to prepare the groundwork, and
                                      you have to be prepared to show the evidence," Clawson said. Adding to
                                      the complexity, he said, is a question that seems almost
                                      counterintuitive: "What is the attitude of Iraq going to be if we hit
                                      Iran? Such an attack could put a strain on the Iraqi government."
                                      A senior European diplomat, who works closely with American
                                      intelligence, told me that there is evidence that Iran has been making
                                      extensive preparation for an American bombing attack. "We know that
                                      the Iranians are strengthening their air-defense capabilities," he
                                      said, "and we believe they will react asymmetrically—hitting targets
                                      in Europe and in Latin America." There is also specific intelligence
                                      suggesting that Iran will be aided in these attacks by Hezbollah.
                                      "Hezbollah is capable, and they can do it," the diplomat said.
                                      In interviews with current and former officials, there were
                                      repeated complaints about the paucity of reliable information. A
                                      former high-level C.I.A. official said that the intelligence about who
                                      is doing what inside Iran "is so thin that nobody even wants his name
                                      on it. This is the problem."
                                      The difficulty of determining who is responsible for the chaos in
                                      Iraq can be seen in Basra, in the Shiite south, where British forces
                                      had earlier presided over a relatively secure area. Over the course of
                                      this year, however, the region became increasingly ungovernable, and
                                      by fall the British had retreated to fixed bases. A European official
                                      who has access to current intelligence told me that "there is a firm
                                      belief inside the American and U.K. intelligence community that Iran
                                      is supporting many of the groups in southern Iraq that are responsible
                                      for the deaths of British and American soldiers. Weapons and money are
                                      getting in from Iran. They have been able to penetrate many
                                      groups"—primarily the Mahdi Army and other Shiite militias.
                                      A June, 2007, report by the International Crisis Group found,
                                      however, that Basra's renewed instability was mainly the result of
                                      "the systematic abuse of official institutions, political
                                      assassinations, tribal vendettas, neighborhood vigilantism and
                                      enforcement of social mores, together with the rise of criminal
                                      mafias." The report added that leading Iraqi politicians and officials
                                      "routinely invoke the threat of outside interference"—from bordering
                                      Iran—"to justify their behavior or evade responsibility for their
                                      failures."
                                      Earlier this year, before the surge in U.S. troops, the American
                                      command in Baghdad changed what had been a confrontational policy in
                                      western Iraq, the Sunni heartland (and the base of the Baathist
                                      regime), and began working with the Sunni tribes, including some tied
                                      to the insurgency. Tribal leaders are now getting combat support as
                                      well as money, intelligence, and arms, ostensibly to fight Al Qaeda in
                                      Mesopotamia. Empowering Sunni forces may undermine efforts toward
                                      national reconciliation, however. Already, tens of thousands of
                                      Shiites have fled Anbar Province, many to Shiite neighborhoods in
                                      Baghdad, while Sunnis have been forced from their homes in Shiite
                                      communities. Vali Nasr, of Tufts, called the internal displacement of
                                      communities in Iraq a form of "ethnic cleansing."
                                      "The American policy of supporting the Sunnis in western Iraq is
                                      making the Shia leadership very nervous," Nasr said. "The White House
                                      makes it seem as if the Shia were afraid only of Al Qaeda—but they are
                                      afraid of the Sunni tribesmen we are arming. The Shia attitude is `So
                                      what if you're getting rid of Al Qaeda?' The problem of Sunni
                                      resistance is still there. The Americans believe they can distinguish
                                      between good and bad insurgents, but the Shia don't share that
                                      distinction. For the Shia, they are all one adversary."
                                      Nasr went on, "The United States is trying to fight on all
                                      sides—Sunni and Shia—and be friends with all sides." In the Shiite
                                      view, "It's clear that the United States cannot bring security to
                                      Iraq, because it is not doing everything necessary to bring stability.
                                      If they did, they would talk to anybody to achieve it—even Iran and
                                      Syria," Nasr said. (Such engagement was a major recommendation of the
                                      Iraq Study Group.) "America cannot bring stability in Iraq by fighting
                                      Iran in Iraq."
                                      The revised bombing plan for a possible attack, with its tightened
                                      focus on counterterrorism, is gathering support among generals and
                                      admirals in the Pentagon. The strategy calls for the use of
                                      sea-launched cruise missiles and more precisely targeted ground
                                      attacks and bombing strikes, including plans to destroy the most
                                      important Revolutionary Guard training camps, supply depots, and
                                      command and control facilities.
                                      "Cheney's option is now for a fast in and out—for surgical
                                      strikes," the former senior American intelligence official told me.
                                      The Joint Chiefs have turned to the Navy, he said, which had been
                                      chafing over its role in the Air Force-dominated air war in Iraq. "The
                                      Navy's planes, ships, and cruise missiles are in place in the Gulf and
                                      operating daily. They've got everything they need—even AWACS are in
                                      place and the targets in Iran have been programmed. The Navy is flying
                                      FA-18 missions every day in the Gulf." There are also plans to hit
                                      Iran's anti-aircraft surface-to-air missile sites. "We've got to get a
                                      path in and a path out," the former official said.
                                      A Pentagon consultant on counterterrorism told me that, if the
                                      bombing campaign took place, it would be accompanied by a series of
                                      what he called "short, sharp incursions" by American Special Forces
                                      units into suspected Iranian training sites. He said, "Cheney is
                                      devoted to this, no question."
                                      A limited bombing attack of this sort "only makes sense if the
                                      intelligence is good," the consultant said. If the targets are not
                                      clearly defined, the bombing "will start as limited, but then there
                                      will be an `escalation special.' Planners will say that we have to
                                      deal with Hezbollah here and Syria there. The goal will be to hit the
                                      cue ball one time and have all the balls go in the pocket. But add-ons
                                      are always there in strike planning."
                                      The surgical-strike plan has been shared with some of America's
                                      allies, who have had mixed reactions to it. Israel's military and
                                      political leaders were alarmed, believing, the consultant said, that
                                      it didn't sufficiently target Iran's nuclear facilities. The White
                                      House has been reassuring the Israeli government, the former senior
                                      official told me, that the more limited target list would still serve
                                      the goal of counter-proliferation by decapitating the leadership of
                                      the Revolutionary Guards, who are believed to have direct control over
                                      the nuclear-research program. "Our theory is that if we do the attacks
                                      as planned it will accomplish two things," the former senior official
                                      said.
                                      An Israeli official said, "Our main focus has been the Iranian
                                      nuclear facilities, not because other things aren't important. We've
                                      worked on missile technology and terrorism, but we see the Iranian
                                      nuclear issue as one that cuts across everything." Iran, he added,
                                      does not need to develop an actual warhead to be a threat. "Our
                                      problems begin when they learn and master the nuclear fuel cycle and
                                      when they have the nuclear materials," he said. There was, for
                                      example, the possibility of a "dirty bomb," or of Iran's passing
                                      materials to terrorist groups. "There is still time for diplomacy to
                                      have an impact, but not a lot," the Israeli official said. "We believe
                                      the technological timetable is moving faster than the diplomatic
                                      timetable. And if diplomacy doesn't work, as they say, all options are
                                      on the table."
                                      The bombing plan has had its most positive reception from the
                                      newly elected government of Britain's Prime Minister, Gordon Brown. A
                                      senior European official told me, "The British perception is that the
                                      Iranians are not making the progress they want to see in their
                                      nuclear-enrichment processing. All the intelligence community agree
                                      that Iran is providing critical assistance, training, and technology
                                      to a surprising number of terrorist groups in Iraq and Afghanistan,
                                      and, through Hezbollah, in Lebanon, and Israel/Palestine, too."
                                      There were four possible responses to this Iranian activity, the
                                      European official said: to do nothing ("There would be no retaliation
                                      to the Iranians for their attacks; this would be sending the wrong
                                      signal"); to publicize the Iranian actions ("There is one great
                                      difficulty with this option—the widespread lack of faith in American
                                      intelligence assessments"); to attack the Iranians operating inside
                                      Iraq ("We've been taking action since last December, and it does have
                                      an effect"); or, finally, to attack inside Iran.
                                      The European official continued, "A major air strike against Iran
                                      could well lead to a rallying around the flag there, but a very
                                      careful targeting of terrorist training camps might not." His view, he
                                      said, was that "once the Iranians get a bloody nose they rethink
                                      things." For example, Ali Akbar Rafsanjani and Ali Larijani, two of
                                      Iran's most influential political figures, "might go to the Supreme
                                      Leader and say, `The hard-line policies have got us into this mess. We
                                      must change our approach for the sake of the regime.' "
                                      A retired American four-star general with close ties to the
                                      British military told me that there was another reason for Britain's
                                      interest—shame over the failure of the Royal Navy to protect the
                                      sailors and Royal Marines who were seized by Iran on March 23rd, in
                                      the Persian Gulf. "The professional guys are saying that British honor
                                      is at stake, and if there's another event like that in the water off
                                      Iran the British will hit back," he said.
                                      The revised bombing plan "could work—if it's in response to an
                                      Iranian attack," the retired four-star general said. "The British may
                                      want to do it to get even, but the more reasonable people are saying,
                                      `Let's do it if the Iranians stage a cross-border attack inside Iraq.'
                                      It's got to be ten dead American soldiers and four burned trucks."
                                      There is, he added, "a widespread belief in London that Tony Blair's
                                      government was sold a bill of goods by the White House in the buildup
                                      to the war against Iraq. So if somebody comes into Gordon Brown's
                                      office and says, `We have this intelligence from America,' Brown will
                                      ask, `Where did it come from? Have we verified it?' The burden of
                                      proof is high."
                                      The French government shares the Administration's sense of urgency
                                      about Iran's nuclear program, and believes that Iran will be able to
                                      produce a warhead within two years. France's newly elected President,
                                      Nicolas Sarkozy, created a stir in late August when he warned that
                                      Iran could be attacked if it did not halt its nuclear program.
                                      Nonetheless, France has indicated to the White House that it has
                                      doubts about a limited strike, the former senior intelligence official
                                      told me. Many in the French government have concluded that the Bush
                                      Administration has exaggerated the extent of Iranian meddling inside
                                      Iraq; they believe, according to a European diplomat, that "the
                                      American problems in Iraq are due to their own mistakes, and now the
                                      Americans are trying to show some teeth. An American bombing will show
                                      only that the Bush Administration has its own agenda toward Iran."
                                      A European intelligence official made a similar point. "If you
                                      attack Iran," he told me, "and do not label it as being against Iran's
                                      nuclear facilities, it will strengthen the regime, and help to make
                                      the Islamic air in the Middle East thicker."
                                      Ahmadinejad, in his speech at the United Nations, said that Iran
                                      considered the dispute over its nuclear program "closed." Iran would
                                      deal with it only through the International Atomic Energy Agency, he
                                      said, and had decided to "disregard unlawful and political impositions
                                      of the arrogant powers." He added, in a press conference after the
                                      speech, "the decisions of the United States and France are not important."
                                      The director general of the I.A.E.A., Mohamed ElBaradei, has for
                                      years been in an often bitter public dispute with the Bush
                                      Administration; the agency's most recent report found that Iran was
                                      far less proficient in enriching uranium than expected. A diplomat in
                                      Vienna, where the I.A.E.A. is based, said, "The Iranians are years
                                      away from making a bomb, as ElBaradei has said all along. Running
                                      three thousand centrifuges does not make a bomb." The diplomat added,
                                      referring to hawks in the Bush Administration, "They don't like
                                      ElBaradei, because they are in a state of denial. And now their
                                      negotiating policy has failed, and Iran is still enriching uranium and
                                      still making progress."
                                      The diplomat expressed the bitterness that has marked the
                                      I.A.E.A.'s dealings with the Bush Administration since the buildup to
                                      the 2003 invasion of Iraq. "The White House's claims were all a pack
                                      of lies, and Mohamed is dismissive of those lies," the diplomat said.
                                      Hans Blix, a former head of the I.A.E.A., questioned the Bush
                                      Administration's commitment to diplomacy. "There are important cards
                                      that Washington could play; instead, they have three aircraft carriers
                                      sitting in the Persian Gulf," he said. Speaking of Iran's role in
                                      Iraq, Blix added, "My impression is that the United States has been
                                      trying to push up the accusations against Iran as a basis for a
                                      possible attack—as an excuse for jumping on them."
                                      The Iranian leadership is feeling the pressure. In the press
                                      conference after his U.N. speech, Ahmadinejad was asked about a
                                      possible attack. "They want to hurt us," he said, "but, with the will
                                      of God, they won't be able to do it." According to a former State
                                      Department adviser on Iran, the Iranians complained, in diplomatic
                                      meetings in Baghdad with Ambassador Crocker, about a refusal by the
                                      Bush Administration to take advantage of their knowledge of the Iraqi
                                      political scene. The former adviser said, "They've been trying to
                                      convey to the United States that `We can help you in Iraq. Nobody
                                      knows Iraq better than us.' " Instead, the Iranians are preparing for
                                      an American attack.
                                      The adviser said that he had heard from a source in Iran that the
                                      Revolutionary Guards have been telling religious leaders that they can
                                      stand up to an American attack. "The Guards are claiming that they can
                                      infiltrate American security," the adviser said. "They are bragging
                                      that they have spray-painted an American warship—to signal the
                                      Americans that they can get close to them." (I was told by the former
                                      senior intelligence official that there was an unexplained incident,
                                      this spring, in which an American warship was spray-painted with a
                                      bull's-eye while docked in Qatar, which may have been the source of
                                      the boasts.)
                                      "Do you think those crazies in Tehran are going to say, `Uncle Sam
                                      is here! We'd better stand down'? " the former senior intelligence
                                      official said. "The reality is an attack will make things ten times
                                      warmer."
                                      Another recent incident, in Afghanistan, reflects the tension over
                                      intelligence. In July, the London Telegraph reported that what
                                      appeared to be an SA-7 shoulder-launched missile was fired at an
                                      American C-130 Hercules aircraft. The missile missed its mark. Months
                                      earlier, British commandos had intercepted a few truckloads of
                                      weapons, including one containing a working SA-7 missile, coming
                                      across the Iranian border. But there was no way of determining whether
                                      the missile fired at the C-130 had come from Iran—especially since
                                      SA-7s are available through black-market arms dealers.
                                      Vincent Cannistraro, a retired C.I.A. officer who has worked
                                      closely with his counterparts in Britain, added to the story: "The
                                      Brits told me that they were afraid at first to tell us about the
                                      incident—in fear that Cheney would use it as a reason to attack Iran."
                                      The intelligence subsequently was forwarded, he said.
                                      The retired four-star general confirmed that British intelligence
                                      "was worried" about passing the information along. "The Brits don't
                                      trust the Iranians," the retired general said, "but they also don't
                                      trust Bush and Cheney." ¨

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                                      wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > A B-52 bomber taking offA new report has linked the mysterious flight
                                      > of a nuclear armed B-52 bomber to the US Vice President's secret plan to
                                      > attack Iran.
                                      >
                                      > Earlier, news outlets revealed that, on August 30, a B-52 bomber loaded
                                      > with six nuclear armed cruise missiles had flown for more than three
                                      > hours over several states. The incident prompted an Air Force
                                      > investigation and the firing of one commander.
                                      >
                                      > The report by Webster Tarpley published on Rense website on Saturday
                                      > claimed that many analysts believed those weapons were destined to be
                                      > used in a nuclear blitz on Iran, which may have been scheduled for
                                      > September 6, the day that Israel launched its own aerial attack on
                                      > Syria.
                                      >
                                      > The report adds " Even more heinous uses of these cruise missiles here
                                      > inside the United States can also not be excluded, given the insistence
                                      > of the Cheney Doctrine on a terrorist act in the US to be blamed on Iran
                                      > as the immediate pretext for the Iran war ­ as Zbigniew Brzezinski
                                      > told the Senate Foreign relations Committee on Feb. 1, 2007."
                                      >
                                      > Many sources (see Wayne Madsen Report, September 24) agree that the
                                      > transfer of these nuclear weapons to Iran was blocked by US Air Force
                                      > personnel, backed up by anti-Cheney factions in the intelligence
                                      > community, who refused to obey an illegal order.
                                      >
                                      > It is also important to note that some half dozen personnel linked to
                                      > the Minot and Barksdale air bases have reportedly died under mysterious
                                      > circumstances since July.
                                      >
                                      > Elsewhere in his report, Terpley quotes his sources as saying that "It
                                      > is unlikely that a sneak attack on Iran could get through the normal
                                      > channels of the US national security interagency process. The
                                      > realization of Cheney's war plan depends upon an outside manufactured
                                      > event, along the lines of 9/11, which could be used to engineer the
                                      > typical neocon end run around the standard operating procedures and
                                      > launch the wider war. "
                                      >
                                      > Webster Griffin Tarpley is an author, lecturer, and critic of US foreign
                                      > and domestic policy. He maintains that the events of 9/11 were
                                      > engineered by the military and arms industries. He envisions a model of
                                      > false flag terror operated by a rogue network of independent operatives
                                      > in the privatized military intelligence sector and corporate media.
                                      >
                                    • happypick2000
                                      Bradford s knowledgeable reflections upon these horrors are truly excellent. The end results as a grande finale, so to say, are graphically documented in
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                                        Bradford's knowledgeable reflections upon these horrors are truly
                                        excellent. The end results as a grande finale, so to say, are
                                        graphically documented in Antony Beevor's *The Fall of Berlin 1945*,
                                        copyright Antony Beevor and Artemis Cooper, Viking Penguin, 2002. ISBN
                                        0-670-03041-4.

                                        With New Orleans as my home town with resident family remaining, I was
                                        interested in the Katrina-Blackwater connection, while in addition I
                                        would like to offer the following URL containing the writer's
                                        permission as an addition to the below mentioned, and shared,
                                        wondering re' Iran.
                                        http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070927&articleId=6918


                                        Regards,

                                        HappyPick

                                        --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...>
                                        wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Bradford brought previously;
                                        >
                                        > "On February 22, Göring set up an auxiliary police force of 50,000
                                        > men, composed mostly of members of the SA and SS. The vulgar, brawling,
                                        > murderous Nazi storm troopers now had the power of police.
                                        >
                                        > Göring and Goebbels, with Hitler's approval, then hatched a plan to
                                        > cause panic by burning the Reichstag building and blaming the
                                        > Communists. The Reichstag was the building in Berlin where the elected
                                        > members of the republic met to conduct the daily business of government.
                                        >
                                        > By a weird coincidence, there was also in Berlin a deranged Communist
                                        > conducting a one-man uprising. An arsonist named Marinus van der Lubbe,
                                        > 24, from Holland, had been wandering around Berlin for a week attempting
                                        > to burn government buildings to protest capitalism and start a revolt.
                                        > On February 27, he decided to burn the Reichstag building. "
                                        >
                                        > No friends this is about Blackwater security with the enhanced note that
                                        > highlights, "The vulgar, brawling, murderous Nazi storm troopers now
                                        > had the power of police. " Ain't life grand when you can refer to the
                                        > Etheric Christ Event, the full 72 year potential of Rudolf Steiner that
                                        > intersected in 1933 in vicious, sedated, horrific and failed Germay, and
                                        > the Consciousness Soul Human Witness, thrust out of Weimar, Munich and
                                        > retreated with the Michael brigades to secure Switzerland? Ain't life
                                        > grand when you can track the Munich Pact to current Palastine and see
                                        > exactly how Ahriman has squatted, huddled, suffocated and strangled the
                                        > land where Golgotha changed the world? Ain't it grand to understand
                                        > these events and have them at your fingertips? No? NO? You mean it
                                        > isn't grand that you can see for yourselves the immense approaching
                                        > nightmares, the same as Steiner was watching, only now take such a
                                        > number as 1935 + 72 = 2007. Well I'll be darned, 2007 and counting.
                                        > How about 1933 + 66 = 1999...
                                        >
                                        > Now a word from formerly Prince-
                                        >
                                        > I was dreamin' when I wrote this, forgive me if it goes astray
                                        > But when I woke up this mornin', could've sworn it was Judgment Day
                                        > The sky was all purple, there were people runnin' everywhere
                                        > Tryin' 2 run from the destruction, U know I didn't even care
                                        >
                                        > Cuz they say 2000 zero zero party over, oops, out of time!
                                        > So 2night I'm gonna party like it's 1999!
                                        >
                                        > I was dreamin' when I wrote this, so sue me if I go 2 fast
                                        > But life is just a party and parties weren't meant 2 last
                                        > War is all around us, my mind says prepare 2 fight
                                        > So if I gotta die, I'm gonna listen 2 my body 2night
                                        >
                                        > Yeah, they say 2000 zero zero party over, oops, out of time!
                                        > So 2night I'm gonna party like it's 1999! (Yeah, yeah)"
                                        >
                                        > Ain't it grand to slipstream into time and view the Michael Impulse from
                                        > various angles and realize that our friend and companion in the divine
                                        > triad of Soul system forces, Ahriman, is destined, expected, must come
                                        > into incarnation and must seed, numb, hypnotize, lobotomize and sterlize
                                        > the ground, have control over Media, Politicians and Medical-Military
                                        > Science, bio-weaponry and subversive, cold human instincts, so that all
                                        > his retreated legion, the legion of tossed out Ahrimanic beasties, could
                                        > take refuge in the secure sterility of the intellectual soul?
                                        >
                                        > Free of the moral realities of murder and torture, free to consider
                                        > power and Orwellian SPIN, raw Nominalism in all its cold varities,
                                        > Ahrimans minions in human instincts and thought, prepare for something
                                        > Anthros can only use as a powerful lesson in the Fall of Reason.
                                        > Steiner stood in the midst of Germany and was witness to the Light of
                                        > Reason and the Fall of Reason in Germany. Do you think any of us can
                                        > ever live up to the courage and strength Dr. Steiner showed in defense
                                        > of Logos and human reason? Oh and by the way, was Steiner correct, did
                                        > Germany take the wrong road? Is America currently on the wrong road?
                                        > How many strongly witness and stand up for Michael Intelligence in the
                                        > mold and manner of the heroic Grail Knight, Dr. Steiner. And how potent
                                        > it is to see the wrong road and failed reason, sheltered under
                                        > university degrees in Ahrimanic Agnostic Atheism.
                                        >
                                        > What is an Agnostic Atheist?
                                        >
                                        > What is an Agnostic Atheist? This question has a few different answers
                                        > that agree in concept but vary in the details. To more easily understand
                                        > this particular strand of atheism, let's break the term down into
                                        > its separate words.
                                        >
                                        > First, an atheist is one who does not believe in God. Additionally, the
                                        > atheist may or may not actually deny the existence of God. Second,
                                        > agnosticism has two main streams. The "soft" agnostic does not
                                        > know whether or not there is a God. The "hard" agnostic says one
                                        > cannot know about the existence of God. Some people term this hard
                                        > agnosticism as "agnostic atheism." These definitions of
                                        > agnosticism leave open the possibility of an agnostic also being an
                                        > atheist, a theist, or one who endorses neither position.
                                        >
                                        > There are several specific beliefs that are within the defined limits of
                                        > agnostic atheism. An agnostic atheist may be described as a person who
                                        > does not believe in God or gods and who holds one or more of the
                                        > following to be true:
                                        > * The existence or nonexistence of deities is not known or is
                                        > unknowable. * The knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of
                                        > deities is unimportant. * The claim to knowledge of existence or
                                        > nonexistence of deities is best avoided.
                                        >
                                        > The agnostic atheist, therefore, combines elements of not knowing the
                                        > existence of God with the unbelief in God.
                                        >
                                        > But as I said, this is really about Blackwater and the current vulgar,
                                        > brawling, murderous Nazi storm troopers, how all this arose again in
                                        > Amerika and how the disease of the soul and spirit that once swept
                                        > through Germany, now has only the thin wall of America's population, 70%
                                        > of Americans see and understand the atrocity and the horror and the
                                        > nightmare and we cannot stop the approach or turn the tide of unreason
                                        > or remove without dismantling and clearing the cancer and disease that
                                        > has taken residence in the White House, and only to be replaced by the
                                        > same disease in the creepy contest of Hilary Clinton or we could only
                                        > hope and pray, Ron Paul as the Republican Doctor to cure this horrible
                                        > disease that has infected America, might have a chance in hell to get a
                                        > fair election. America doesn't have fair elections anymore and the
                                        > elections and the vote doesn't matter, the Israel power lobbies have
                                        > made nearly every candidate confess their love of Israel or no
                                        > mooooolllllaaaaahhhh!
                                        >
                                        > Now ain't that a nice word, Mullah as Iranian or spiritual leaders and
                                        > moolllaaah, cash to become a paid Ahrimanic shill in the PR army of the
                                        > Amerikan beachhead, where the minds were lost and the instincts numbed?
                                        >
                                        > Somehow Steiner thought, well you know, Steiner thought that Agnostic
                                        > Atheism tended towards a disease of the soul and spirit. Just because
                                        > everything that has been and is taught in the i-tard generation at any
                                        > and all universities connects to nothing and means nothing and is only
                                        > laced with selfish little sentimental values....no smoke signals, no
                                        > signs of significant thinking or Michael like insights are forthcoming
                                        > from the i-tards. I'm afraid, with our Time Machine and the Eloi, we
                                        > are on our own with few and far of us between. For we can live in the
                                        > Time Warp of Michael and patterns of 72 years, 33 years, 666 years, 33
                                        > - 66 - 99 years, seven year rhythms and magnificent memory returns and
                                        > orbits of the various planets and their effects on the historical wills
                                        > and instincts of humanity. Cognitively we can enter and plunge into the
                                        > ZeitGeist body of Michael and view impacts of events that have forced
                                        > humanity to become dumb.
                                        >
                                        > Ahriman has made a Society Without Risks, where if your little feelings
                                        > get bruised or you do something stupid like spill coffee on your new
                                        > dress or someone touches the rear end of your car, you can sue for
                                        > damages. You return the faulty product for cash back, moms and dads pop
                                        > out of the bleachers and start fights over the fact that Johnny was
                                        > called out at first. Spoiled rotten little i-tards who have spoiled with
                                        > rotten materialism their little offspring and the universities furthered
                                        > sealed the tiny squeal of the midget intellectual soul, sealed inside
                                        > the undeveloping light of sentient and intellectual soul glaze. And
                                        > from within this sealed shell the Sorathian Hannibal Lecter can be
                                        > nursed exactly like Alien used the shell of a human as its incubation
                                        > and food source.
                                        >
                                        > i-tards, Yuppies, Hippies or Eloi face flat non-cognitive ambition and
                                        > as in The Time Machine the Eloi, (named after the degraded name of the
                                        > Elohim) the Eloi have high-pitched, soft voices and speak an unknown
                                        > language. They appear to be quite unintelligent and child-like and live
                                        > without quarrels or conflict. A Society Without Risk has a built in
                                        > numbed predator curiosity or numbed predator gene... The Eloi are food
                                        > for the Morlocks.
                                        >
                                        > The Eloi live in small communities within large and futuristic yet
                                        > dilapidated buildings, doing no work and eating a frugivorous
                                        > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism> diet. The land around
                                        > London <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London> has become a sort of
                                        > untended garden filled with unusual fruiting and flowering plants, with
                                        > futuristic, albeit broken down buildings and other structures dotted
                                        > around, seemingly of no purpose and disused. There is no evidence of the
                                        > implementation of agriculture <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture>
                                        > or technology <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology> , both of which
                                        > the Eloi seem incapable.
                                        >
                                        > The Time Traveller is greeted with curiosity and without fear by the
                                        > Eloi, who seem only vaguely surprised and curious by his appearance and
                                        > lose interest rapidly. "
                                        >
                                        > But this particular discussion is not about the Eloi but rather about
                                        > the nested Ahrimanic hordes that nest in the deadened light of human
                                        > reason and slowly cultivate instincts that defend absolute lies with a
                                        > Hannibal Lecter ferocious, viciousness. In other words from the SS to
                                        > BlackWater, we can easily read another layer of 'How Ahriman ate our
                                        > world and belched out our humanity"....
                                        >
                                        > Michael students, warriors of Reason, warriors of the Logos can recall
                                        > the potent history of how Dr. Steiner defended the gods, reason and the
                                        > mighty Logos itself from the quickly invading hordes, tossed out of the
                                        > spiritual world into the domain of icy human intelligence and instincts.
                                        > And still IT comes and still humanity tinkers, tiddles and drags its
                                        > cognitive feet, always in subtle mockery, always in subtle denial that
                                        > indeed the events of Golgotha stand as a tri-part footprints, of Lucifer
                                        > - Christ - and Ahriman arising in embodiment and surrounded in robes of
                                        > magnetic, electrical and hi-tech fingertip and cellular displays, touch
                                        > tone society without risks..... Because we pretended not to see
                                        > BlackWATER and pretended not to see Nazi Germany and remained pampered
                                        > shells and food for the Ahrimanic hordes in our Society Without Risks...
                                        > Psychopathic, Mass-murdering, Sons-of-Bitches. "I have been watching
                                        > this Blackwater saga unfold. I've seen the youtube videos of these
                                        > sub-human psychopaths gunning people down on the highway; picking off
                                        > whoever happened to be walking down the road, shooting into cars at
                                        > random on the highway- generally, indiscriminately murdering whoever was
                                        > in their path.
                                        > http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/
                                        > <http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/>
                                        > "I have followed the testimony of eyewitnesses and have measured the
                                        > magnitude of recorded assaults against the slim possibility that this is
                                        > all a put-up job against beautiful people making the world safe for
                                        > democracy. I have seen the large percentage of Blackwater personnel who
                                        > were charged and discharged for all manner of violations and I have come
                                        > to the inescapable conclusion that they are psychopathic, mass murdering
                                        > sonsofbitches.
                                        >
                                        > I am in awe… stark shrieking awe at the twisted minds that conceived
                                        > the conditions and manifested the players that have engaged in these
                                        > activities. I really can't get my head around it. I shouldn't be
                                        > surprised, given what has been going on all along. I shouldn't be
                                        > surprised at legislation passed that exempted these vicious, murdering
                                        > clowns from penalty for whatever they might do. I shouldn't be
                                        > surprised at America's version of Elizabeth Bathory- Condolezza
                                        > Rice- telling Blackwater to zip it up and not say anything. It's par
                                        > for the course. I shouldn't be surprised at anything any more.
                                        >
                                        > The thing that comes into my head so often these days is…
                                        > "Knowing what I have seen and know to be the truth, according to my
                                        > study of the matter; that matter being what has taken place these last
                                        > seven years, what is it that I don't know?" What I am saying is,
                                        > "How bad is it really?" What I know is very, very bad. It is not
                                        > a leap to assume, at this point, that it's worse than I think it is.
                                        >
                                        > But everything that has happened, all the horror bloodshed and lies are
                                        > not the worst of it. The worst of it is that so many people do not care.
                                        > It is beyond my comprehension that purportedly civilized people can
                                        > stand aside and let these things happen. It is a comic absurdity,
                                        > unrivaled in history- given that we are in the 21st century- that
                                        > millions of people with claims to a religious and moral life can applaud
                                        > the murders of millions as not only justifiable but according to the
                                        > will of God. It's comic, but it's not funny.
                                        >
                                        > I post at an internet forum which I have been visiting for some years. A
                                        > wide spectrum of personalities and professions are operative there. They
                                        > talk about everything under the sun. They talk about politics and
                                        > sports, religion and sex. Very often they'll ask silly questions or
                                        > conduct polls so that they can chatter among themselves like chipmunks
                                        > on a fallen log. There are some very smart people there. Many of them
                                        > are sophisticated and urbane with presumptions of knowledge about all
                                        > manner of things under the sun. Some few of them care deeply about what
                                        > is happening in the world but most of them do not.
                                        >
                                        > The worst of them are those who see the whole show as just the
                                        > regrettable necessities of life. They laugh about the 9/11 cover-up and
                                        > are convinced of the official story. None of them have studied the
                                        > affair at all but they are experts' none-the-less. They know what
                                        > they know even when they don't know it.
                                        >
                                        > I've traveled to other forums and seen much the same thing. Some
                                        > forums are more intellectually challenged and some more politically
                                        > polarized but no matter where you go you find that people more or less
                                        > fall into the same categories. Some of them are all about their own
                                        > vanity and the argument is secondary to how they want to make themselves
                                        > appear. The argument is just a perpetuation of how they were at five
                                        > years old. "Look at me!" they scream and then they stamp their
                                        > foot.
                                        >
                                        > Some of them think the only good Arab is a dead Arab and there is no
                                        > limit to the invective and disinformation they will get up to,
                                        > regardless of the truth of the matter. Some of them are just lonely and
                                        > everything they get up to is about getting people into their lives so
                                        > that they can exhibit the attractive characteristics that are
                                        > responsible for them being lonely in the first place.
                                        >
                                        > Some of them are into feuds and everything takes a back seat to that.
                                        > Some of them care about what is happening and they are an annoyance to
                                        > the rest. You don't get a fucked up world with Blackwater and Abu
                                        > Ghraib and every other ugly situation without the tacit approval of the
                                        > majority. Somewhere along the line all of them made deals with the
                                        > psychopaths for the survival of their pedestrian dreams. They don't
                                        > much care except for the sake of conversation what happens to other
                                        > people as long as it doesn't happen to them. And because of this it
                                        > will happen to them, on down the road. But for them it's like a
                                        > dental appointment two weeks off. It doesn't become real until they
                                        > are sitting in the chair.
                                        >
                                        > It's been known by some of us for some time that the private
                                        > contractors in Iraq are a law unto themselves. We know about the people
                                        > they killed in New Orleans post Katrina. We know that they amuse
                                        > themselves shooting people at random. We know they think they are all
                                        > Sgt. Nick Fury and that the joy of their lives is to make themselves
                                        > heroes in their own mind while they gun down bystanders as if they were
                                        > playing a video game. The people they kill are no more real to them than
                                        > what they blow up on a computer screen.
                                        >
                                        > Some of us know that a large portion of the car-bombings in Iraq and
                                        > terror events across the world are not accomplished by so-called
                                        > terrorists. We saw a good example when those British agents were
                                        > captured in Basra. We know that British and Israeli murder teams are
                                        > running loose in Iraq alongside their American counterparts. We have
                                        > seen the photos and read the accounts by those with the courage to tell
                                        > the tale. We see the build-up against Iran moving in the same inexorable
                                        > pattern as it did for Iraq. It is blatant and there to be seen.
                                        >
                                        > What do people think when they think about Blackwater? Do they think it
                                        > is `regrettable'? Do they think it is necessary? Do they think
                                        > it is a mistake that will be cleared up? Did they see Erik Prince
                                        > explain how it is all a misperception and what a fine bunch of lads he
                                        > has deployed against a despicable enemy? I don't think people think
                                        > at all. I think they'd rather not hear about it and don't care
                                        > if it happens or not. After all, it's not happening here. Is it?
                                        >
                                        > Let us watch this peculiar drama unfold. I know what the evidence is
                                        > going to say. I know that it will show that Blackwater is composed of an
                                        > army of psychopathic, mass-murdering sonofabitches. There is a lot of
                                        > evidence and I'm curious what our honorable congress is going to
                                        > conclude about the matter. It's not a question of whether these men
                                        > have done what they are accused of. Let's see how they handle this.
                                        >
                                        > I wonder about all of the Chatty Cathy's in their coffee klatch
                                        > world, both the seeming real and the virtual. I wonder about what they
                                        > will think and do when they hear the machine guns chattering; what they
                                        > will do when they are being tazered, what they will do when they are
                                        > being herded, what they will do under the aegis of all the humiliating
                                        > events that are visited upon those who never thought to arrest the
                                        > process when they had a chance.
                                        >
                                        > When I meet someone new I always remind myself that they have three
                                        > faces. They have the face they show me when we meet. That is who they
                                        > want me to believe they are. Then there is the face that emerges over
                                        > time as life takes us through the circumstances of whatever relationship
                                        > evolves; as life throws up the challenges to their honor and honesty.
                                        > Then there is the face that emerges when they are in danger. That is
                                        > their true face. It is there that you see what they are composed of. One
                                        > of these days Blackwater is going to be knocking on their door."
                                        >
                                      • holderlin66
                                        Göring set up an auxiliary police force of 50,000 men, composed mostly of members of the SA and SS. The vulgar, brawling, murderous Nazi storm troopers now
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                                          Göring set up an auxiliary police force of 50,000 men, composed mostly of members of the SA and SS. The vulgar, brawling, murderous Nazi storm troopers now had the power of police.

                                          Awe, don't hold back, tell me what you see in comparison to BlackWater - The Nazi goons and a mere 72 year span?  Do ya think we are getting to see exactly the type of horrific buildup that certainly choked Germany right from under Dr. Steiner?  And all that for a celebration known as Feb 27, 1933....probably nothing to do with the terror

                                          "Iraqi authorities want the U.S. government to sever all contracts in Iraq with Blackwater USA within six months and pay $8 million in compensation to each of the families of 17 people killed when the firm's guards sprayed a traffic circle with heavy machine gun fire last month.

                                          "The demands, part of an Iraqi government report examined by The Associated Press, also called on U.S. authorities to hand over the Blackwater security agents involved in the Sept. 16 shootings to face possible trial in Iraqi courts.

                                          CBS News has found the Iraqi witness accounts of the shootings are remarkably consistent.

                                          They say a four-vehicle Blackwater convoy drove into a traffic circle but was blocked by barriers protecting a maintenance crew, reports CBS News correspondent Elizabeth Palmer.

                                          The Blackwater guards threw water bottles, warning the cars to stop, but as one car continued to inch forward, Blackwater started shooting, instantly killing the driver.

                                          The tone of the Iraqi report appears to signal further strains between the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the White House over the deaths in Nisoor Square, which have prompted a series of U.S. and Iraqi probes and raised questions over the use of private security contractors to guard U.S. diplomats and other officials.

                                          Al-Maliki ordered the investigation by his defense minister and other top security and police officials on Sept. 22. The findings mark the most definitive Iraqi positions and contentions about the shootings last month.

                                          The report also highlights the differences in death tolls and accounts that have complicated efforts to piece together the chain of events as one Blackwater-protected convoy raced back toward Baghdad's Green Zone after a nearby bombing, while a second back-up team in four gun trucks sped into the square as a back-up team.

                                          The Iraqi investigation charges the four Blackwater vehicles called to the square began shooting without provocation. Blackwater contends its employees came under fire first.

                                          The government, at the conclusion of its investigation, said 17 Iraqis died. Initial reports put the toll at 11.

                                          It said the compensation - totaling $136 million - was so high "because Blackwater uses employees who disrespect the rights of Iraqi citizens even though they are guests in this country."

                                          The U.S. military pays compensation money to the families of civilians killed in battles or to cover property damage, but at far lower amounts.

                                          The United States has not made conclusive findings about the shooting, though there are multiple investigations under way and Congress has opened inquiries into the role of private security contractors. Last week, the FBI took over a State Department investigation, raising the prospect that it could be referred to the Justice Department for prosecution.

                                          The FBI investigation is supposed to wrap up in days, not weeks, adds Palmer. But there is still a lot of work to do. CBS News' investigation turned up many witnesses who have not yet been interviewed.

                                          The Iraqi government report said its courts were to proper venue in which to bring charges.

                                          It said Blackwater's license to operate in Iraq expired on June 2, 2006, meaning it had no immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws set down after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

                                          The government report also challenged the claim that a decree in June 2004 by then-Iraqi administrator L. Paul Bremer granted Blackwater immunity from legal action in incidents such as the one in Nisoor Square. The report said the Blackwater guards could be charged under a criminal code from 1969.

                                          U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Mirembe Nantongo said the diplomatic mission would have no comment on the report. Iraq's Interior Ministry spokesman, Abdul-Karim Khalaf, said the document was in American hands.

                                          The report found that Blackwater guards also had killed 21 Iraqi civilians and wounded 27 in previous shootings since it took over security for U.S. diplomats in Baghdad after the U.S. invasion. The Iraqi government did not say whether it would try to prosecute in those cases.

                                          Bradford brought previously;

                                          "On February 22, Göring set up an auxiliary police force of 50,000 men, composed mostly of members of the SA and SS. The vulgar, brawling, murderous Nazi storm troopers now had the power of police.

                                          Göring and Goebbels, with Hitler's approval, then hatched a plan to cause panic by burning the Reichstag building and blaming the Communists. The Reichstag was the building in Berlin where the elected members of the republic met to conduct the daily business of government.

                                          By a weird coincidence, there was also in Berlin a deranged Communist conducting a one-man uprising. An arsonist named Marinus van der Lubbe, 24, from Holland, had been wandering around Berlin for a week attempting to burn government buildings to protest capitalism and start a revolt. On February 27, he decided to burn the Reichstag building. "

                                          No friends this is about Blackwater security with the enhanced note that highlights,   "The vulgar, brawling, murderous Nazi storm troopers now had the power of police. " Ain't life grand when you can refer to the Etheric Christ Event, the full 72 year potential of Rudolf Steiner that intersected in 1933 in vicious, sedated, horrific and failed Germay, and the Consciousness Soul Human Witness, thrust out of Weimar, Munich and retreated with the Michael brigades to secure Switzerland?  Ain't life grand when you can track the Munich Pact to current Palastine and see exactly how Ahriman has squatted, huddled, suffocated and strangled the land where Golgotha changed the world?  Ain't it grand to understand these events and have them at your fingertips?

                                        • carol
                                          Karen, sound like you need to download music (songs) onto your computer, lie back and relax. (often)
                                          Message 20 of 22 , Oct 10, 2007
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                                            Karen, sound like you need to download music (songs) onto your
                                            computer, lie back and relax. (often)


                                            --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "elfkinszee" <blue_star_in@...>
                                            wrote:
                                            >
                                            > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66"
                                            > holderlin66@ wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Göring set up an auxiliary police force of 50,000 men, composed
                                            > > mostly of members of the SA and SS. The vulgar, brawling,
                                            > murderous Nazi
                                            > > storm troopers now had the power of police.
                                            > >
                                            > > Awe, don't hold back, tell me what you see in comparison to
                                            > BlackWater -
                                            > > The Nazi goons and a mere 72 year span? Do ya think we are
                                            > getting to
                                            > > see exactly the type of horrific buildup that certainly choked
                                            > Germany
                                            > > right from under Dr. Steiner? And all that for a celebration
                                            > known as
                                            > > Feb 27, 1933....probably nothing to do with the terror
                                            >
                                            > My dad was born on 20 of March 1933. He brought lots of good things
                                            > with him. Me for a start although I only came a few years later.
                                            >
                                            > Mmmm
                                            > The important thing is, is that I am missing a lot of smells.
                                            > Egg and bacon frying in the pan would be nice. Mmmm its hard
                                            > getting food here. Theres loads of it around, I just dont know what
                                            > it is.
                                            >
                                            > The dining room has queus of about 1000 students unless i get there
                                            > very early, and then the food gets very cold if i was to go late.
                                            > And thats all important because what if I dont eat? That wont be
                                            > nice. The past few days all I have had is a peanut drink and
                                            > coconut milk. Well its not enough. And fujian doesnt get many
                                            > western tourists at all. I havent seen a foreigner since i left
                                            > Sanya. Mmmm none in Haikou for five days, none at the airport, never
                                            > one on my flight so i doubt if i will be able to find any cheese.
                                            >
                                            > Mmmm..I have other problems as well besides what to eat. Like there
                                            > are 8000 students on campus and they all think I want to speak to
                                            > them. That I want to get asked the same questions over and over
                                            > again.
                                            >
                                            > Where do you cuh froh?
                                            >
                                            > More pronounciation examples
                                            > Wha ti is i
                                            > (what time is it)
                                            > ma nay is Lu Zhou
                                            > (My name is ..)
                                            >
                                            > Are you getting the idea?
                                            > I sink so?
                                            >
                                            > I cant take much more of it. Squeal.
                                            > So i keep going from the sublime to the ridiculous.
                                            >
                                            > Where do you cuh froh? x 4000 to...
                                            > "tell me what you see in comparison to BlackWater -
                                            > The Nazi goons and a mere 72 year span? Do ya think we are getting
                                            > to see exactly the type of horrific buildup that certainly choked
                                            > Germany right from under Dr. Steiner?"
                                            >
                                            > Hmm its a bit of a quantum leap particularly if one can actually
                                            > consider, understand, appreciate, recognise at what level I am
                                            > actually living at on this side of the pond.
                                            > Hmm..
                                            >
                                            > I have to be careful I still have nine months of my contract to
                                            > complete and I need to survive this.
                                            >
                                          • holderlin66
                                            Greatest Lie Ever Sold; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952102263921897950
                                            Message 21 of 22 , Oct 11, 2007
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                                            • M Howell
                                              http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA ... From: holderlin66 To: anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:01 PM Subject:
                                              Message 22 of 22 , Oct 12, 2007
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                                                Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: sentimental materialists out there


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