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  • Gloria
    Steve, thank you for the clear response. I was missing such direct addressing of the situation. Instead, the pushing away the problems on the faults of
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      Steve, thank you for the clear response.  I was missing such direct addressing of the situation.  Instead, the pushing away the problems on the faults of Ahriman and his buddies, makes me feel angry and undone.  English is a good language to communicate. But, often I feel that it is also a trap.  For some reason, anthroposophy in German or in Swedish, even in French, feels less stressful.  I just dropped another anthroposophic discussion online, because I couldn't take the contemption that seems to overwhelm the discourses people share. Possibly, anthroposophy is only possible to exist as a healthy discipline of thought and living, when applied to a socialist society in which so many of the agonies and horrors of the consumer's marketsystem won't survive.  I may be biased, but in America, anthroposophy feels like a consumer's good, like going to IKEA or buying for the newest electric appliance. It feels very hollow.  But, I am an outsider and a foreigner.   -Gloria

      Stephen Hale <sardisian01@...> wrote:
      When Gloria writes and says: "What do you think about the
      fabrication of terror coming out of the United States?", doesn't she
      mean: What do us anthro's think about it? To me, this is pure
      freudian, because she has to know that we anthro's have thought alot
      about this fabrication of terror. For myself, I said that the war
      on terror was caused through pre-planning that involved destroying
      the World Trade Center buildings by way of demolition implosion.
      And this is clearly evident. No popular science physics can make an
      explosion into an implosion. And if that isn't enough evidence, no
      third building is going to come down in sympathy for the other two
      the same way. But Americans simply don't want to look at it.

      Maybe she confuses Americans with those who take pains to look into
      these matters with a clear eye.

      Steve

      --- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, "carol" <organicethics@ ...>
      wrote:
      >
      >
      > "Under the current conditions of globalization, outsourcing,
      > offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should
      > utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century
      before the
      > last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for
      awakening that
      > underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going
      > through. Before it may turn too late."
      >
      >
      >
      > Gloria, I feel that you greatly underestimate `the formative
      > spiritual forces' which Rudolf Steiner left behind through at least
      > his published materials; in some respects, approx. a century has
      passed
      > since he lived and though it may seem a great span of time when
      viewed
      > from a context of 1 single (our present) earth life, it can also be
      > experienced as a short one when one seriously ponders on the
      frequency
      > in which significant and deeply pronounced incarnations occur
      through
      > epics of humanity's history (and becoming).
      >
      >
      >
      > In today's world, the process of becoming familiar with
      > Ahriman's presence within Western culture by engaging oneself in
      > spirit objectivity (spirit concepts) regardless of where one
      actually
      > lives, is one of the steps through which Anthroposophy' s occult
      > `properties' can become animated within one's self as well,
      > our collective soul fabric. As anthroposophists, we do wish, in the
      > least, to offer ourselves as open windows through which Angelic
      beings
      > may access and influence our earthly world…
      >
      >
      >
      > Your last sentence `Before it may turn too late' seems to
      > express great urgency. But we do find through studying spiritual
      > science that humankind's earthly and for that matter heavenly lives
      > unravel within the greatest of complexity. Taking this into
      > consideration, your sentence could be still be seen as a call
      `from
      > the starting line' to finally wake up, get up and get moving.
      >
      >
      >
      > Rudolf Steiner often addressed his attendees with deep heart
      forces and
      > within their echo (our individual reading), we should still be
      able to
      > recognize a call for great and reverent patience. And through truly
      > knowing this patience, we may all come to know what actions are
      > already ongoing through Anthroposophia' s earthly presence and how
      we are
      > presently taking part in them.
      >
      >
      >
      > This is just one of the humble ways to approach your objections.
      C.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, Gloria <gloriabjork@ > wrote:
      > >
      > > Simply put, I see too much complacency in North American's
      culture.
      > Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at the
      moment
      > there is no longer a division in terms of space or distance, since
      > things (and thoughts) have tended to become pretty much global.
      You only
      > need to go to any interesting city of Europe in the summer, and
      watch
      > the herds of North American tourists wandering up and down the
      roads. It
      > is apparent that the exchanges have become more overt, and so the
      giving
      > and taking. Under the current conditions of globalization,
      outsourcing,
      > offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should
      > utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century
      before the
      > last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for
      awakening that
      > underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going
      > through. Before it may turn too late.
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > >
      > > -Gloria
      > >
      > > carol organicethics@ wrote:
      > > "this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the
      > beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany
      anthroposophy
      > succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people
      make it
      > be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is
      just
      > consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to
      > mankind…"
      > >
      > > I believe that a need has revealed itself to recognize in the
      most
      > sympathetic manner, the major (albeit intimate) spiritual
      differences
      > between various peoples distributed throughout the world. This
      area of
      > study is ongoing for me, as are so many other areas of study…
      > >
      > > From what I know through my own `experience' and from what I see
      > around me, North Americans do not seem to naturally possess the
      same
      > spiritual constitution and solid, steadfast understanding which
      can be
      > seen, to varying degrees, underlying individualities from the
      Middle
      > part of Europe. Nor do Eastern Europeans seem to carry about them
      this
      > same inner constitution.
      > >
      > > Rudolf Steiner differentiated these natural forming underlying
      > constitutions in somewhat of the following.
      > >
      > > In North Americans, knowledge of spirit surfaces in an
      instinctive
      > manner, in Middle Europe it does so in an intellectual manner and
      in
      > Eastern Europe it does so through an inspirational pathway. This is
      > somewhat of a barren overview, but when observation allows these
      > fundamental distinctions to fill with content, not only does it
      permit
      > the possibility for developing warmer rapports with others carrying
      > about them something of a `difference' , but it also opens the way
      for
      > allowing one the possibility of conceiving of how, when all these
      forces
      > work together under a Michaelmic influence, they exist as the
      moving
      > forces which humanity uses to advance forward in time, while
      ensuring
      > harmony with the `life bearing' Spiritual ones of this world and
      beyond
      > it.
      > >
      > > I visualized these differences in the following manner: The North
      > American carries his/her spirit forces deep in his pocket (ready
      to be
      > grabbed and used at any decisive moment), the middle European
      wears them
      > as his/her warm, securing vest and the Slavic sees them on the
      path set
      > before him and under his feet, leading him/her forward in time,
      along
      > with the rest of humanity, into a more spiritualized future.
      > >
      > > Rudolf Steiner indicated that the Middle European, through his
      > capacity of intellectually interpreting Spirit, could be brought
      to act
      > as the bridging (directional? ) force between the East and the
      West. (?)
      > This would seem possible since neither the East nor the West seem
      to
      > intrinsically possess natural forming, solid (full body)
      capabilities in
      > this/their common domain, even when they engage themselves in
      > Anthroposophical studies.
      > >
      > > And stepping out of theory, how and where does this play itself
      out?
      > >
      > > The extract of the lecture which Bradford brought forth gives a
      clue.
      > >
      > >
      > > "But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always
      forms
      > — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will
      > — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same
      > position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this.
      Above
      > all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you…
      > >
      > > …In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other"
      > man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who
      always
      > makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next
      time,
      > so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the
      intention,
      > the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a
      similar
      > occasion
      > > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention
      become a
      > resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the
      > resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the
      Spirit-Man,
      > the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-
      Self.
      > http://wn.rsarchive .org/Lectures/ StudyMan/ 19190825a01. html
      > > PS. I gave it a good try! C.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, Gloria gloriabjork@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the
      > beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany
      anthroposophy
      > succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people
      make it
      > be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is
      just
      > consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to
      > mankind. However, one can no longer say that it is the way it is,
      not
      > being what it should be. Possibly man is attributing to Ahriman
      much of
      > the load that man alone is creating, and neglecting.
      > > > -Gloria
      > > >
      > > > holderlin66 holderlin66@ wrote:
      > > > Carol, thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria.
      And
      > thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark. We all
      miss
      > the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to
      keep our
      > cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in
      10,000.
      > Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and
      from
      > his base in Austin Texas the whole context of the Fabrication of
      terror
      > and False flags are richly explored by him.
      > > > Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the
      current
      > debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics.
      Ron
      > Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve
      and
      > so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless
      because
      > big media and money want only certain players to play the game
      that will
      > sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow
      instincts
      > of humanity. Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic
      imaginations
      > and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of
      > struggle or fight. We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make
      the
      > obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity,
      specifically our
      > children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of
      Ahrimanic
      > complacency.
      > > > To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the
      > Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground
      > beneath our feetthat is riddled with deception that the common
      thinking
      > human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational
      deceptions
      > and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate
      themselves
      > against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael
      thinking.
      > > > The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a
      heady
      > ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes
      and
      > desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the
      depths.
      > That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel our own Luciferic
      intentions
      > motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient
      Soul or
      > Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp
      > dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush
      > against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy
      replication
      > of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold
      sacred
      > before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled
      and
      > molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul
      teaching and
      > instruction.
      > > > Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with
      ancient
      > history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped
      memory
      > field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-
      designed by
      > the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself. ... But we hardly
      > rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and
      > understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling,
      thrusting
      > imaginations, stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which
      > projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media
      imaginations
      > and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds
      > through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition.
      > > > We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic
      Human
      > Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that
      presses
      > the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness
      to
      > steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul.
      > Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be
      able to
      > keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human
      Intelligence to
      > walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth
      time,
      > stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are
      wading
      > through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb
      thinking and
      > education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system
      we
      > drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort,
      when
      > it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.
      > > > This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual
      > there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional
      forces
      > that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes. And we
      wish
      > and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual
      > Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper
      layers
      > of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system
      dynamics in
      > the soul workings of the human being. Steiner in his Study of Man
      > refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance. Rather
      resolution
      > and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that
      we
      > really could have done it better. None of us have ever really done
      much
      > of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the
      world....
      > at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility.
      But the
      > Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not
      native
      > to the deeper recessess of our i am. Our karma offers opportunity
      to
      > > > do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and
      > repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off
      the
      > guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away
      from
      > the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.
      > > > Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and
      > reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all
      > mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest
      then
      > assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the
      Trinity, on
      > behalf of the Church:
      > > > R. S. Study of Man
      > > > http://wn.rsarchive .org/Lectures/ StudyMan/ 19190825a01. html
      > > > "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I
      wished to
      > do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is
      not
      > what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the
      > impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is
      > something which always works in the will when we have motives;
      that is,
      > the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of
      which
      > the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that
      accompany all
      > our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing
      > particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out
      of a
      > motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to
      ourselves; what
      > you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in
      life,
      > without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be
      sad if
      > we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing
      which
      > we could not do better still. And this is where we see the
      difference
      > > > between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is
      not so
      > advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied
      with
      > himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly
      satisfied
      > with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a
      wish
      > to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this
      > domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a
      deed;
      > but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often
      > repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done
      > something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our
      > efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have
      done
      > a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more
      important
      > to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man
      has is
      > the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do
      > the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish
      sounds as
      > an
      > > > undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this
      > undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who
      can
      > really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that
      > remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which
      we
      > feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had
      done
      > it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it
      to you,
      > we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.
      > > > Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer
      > form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is
      formed a
      > kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it
      had to
      > be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the
      mental
      > picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany
      each
      > motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here
      the
      > so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your
      > ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own
      > will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you
      will
      > do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always
      > forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the
      > will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the
      > same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as
      this.
      > Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in
      you.
      > > >
      > > > That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself
      > analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis, " talks a lot of nonsense
      about
      > this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the
      > following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have
      > already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind
      again. It
      > is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is
      > known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the
      house
      > is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people,
      among
      > them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to
      the
      > train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves
      and
      > with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members
      of the
      > party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming
      round a
      > corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close.
      What do
      > the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the
      carriage
      > by going
      > > > right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as
      fast as
      > she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The
      > coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified.
      But the
      > lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs
      until
      > she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to
      get out
      > of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought
      back
      > to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.
      > > >
      > > > You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis.
      But
      > something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question
      is: what
      > was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What
      did
      > she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as
      soon
      > as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This,
      however,
      > was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the
      > sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man,
      within us,
      > is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper
      consciousness. So
      > clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged
      the
      > whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water
      in
      > order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw
      > prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to
      get at
      > these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of
      a "second
      > man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man
      what is
      > at
      > > > work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows
      itself
      > to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary
      activity
      > of the soul.
      > > >
      > > > In every man there dwells, underground, as it were,
      the "other" man.
      > In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always
      makes up
      > his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so
      that
      > always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the
      > unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar
      > occasion
      > > >
      > > > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention
      become
      > a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and
      the
      > resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the
      Spirit-Man,
      > the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-
      Self.
      > When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all
      these
      > component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and
      then,
      > playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and
      resolution
      > which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-
      Man
      > > >
      > > > This has a great significance in the development of the human
      being.
      > For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time
      after
      > death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death.
      We
      > describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention
      and
      > resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only
      experience
      > wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when
      these
      > things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish,
      > intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does
      not
      > appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them
      > appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary
      > consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."
      > > > Bradford concludes;
      > > > The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of
      > Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not
      discounting
      > as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between
      the
      > cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which
      > contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that
      stirs in
      > our depths as Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man.
      In
      > these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes
      a
      > picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve
      itself in
      > the future... And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep
      picture has
      > issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic
      error, or
      > failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or
      merely an
      > Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will
      ensue
      > are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions that are then
      numbed
      > even further and distorted through medical abuses.
      > > > But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled,
      > festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed
      selfish
      > designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move
      through
      > our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we
      > apparently strike from. Even if what moves through our will as
      previous
      > incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to
      > political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid
      to
      > examine our motives and instincts .. Afraid to bring the clarity of
      > common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human
      > spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny
      paths.
      > Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael
      School
      > and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on
      imprisoning us
      > in our deceptions. NICE!
      > > > Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy
      > lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed
      to the
      > point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war
      > mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote
      such
      > attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the
      > military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully
      destructive
      > concepts in education and medical science that promote and further
      the
      > For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass
      murder. It
      > also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by
      > seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are
      thrown at
      > us.
      > > > For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our
      cars
      > on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on
      companies
      > that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required
      and us
      > going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma.
      Evil
      > Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to
      stop the
      > monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy
      > efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to
      > support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect, but rather
      > super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human
      beings
      > by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some
      group....
      > Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!
      > > > The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and
      too
      > awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle
      with.
      > The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened
      instinctual
      > double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see,
      with
      > Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few
      who try
      > to see, also into the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul
      > frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving. And
      far too
      > slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the
      soul
      > as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual
      depth
      > and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael
      > Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful
      examples
      > of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to
      > transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within
      us. To
      > see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image
      reverse it
      > > > and set it properly within our higher human striving against
      the
      > inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt
      as
      > normal tendencies.
      > > >
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    • Stephen Hale
      ... direct addressing of the situation. Instead, the pushing away the problems on the faults of Ahriman and his buddies, makes me feel angry and undone.
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        --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria <gloriabjork@...> wrote:
        >
        > Steve, thank you for the clear response. I was missing such
        direct addressing of the situation. Instead, the pushing away the
        problems on the faults of Ahriman and his buddies, makes me feel
        angry and undone. English is a good language to communicate. But,
        often I feel that it is also a trap. For some reason, anthroposophy
        in German or in Swedish, even in French, feels less stressful. I
        just dropped another anthroposophic discussion online, because I
        couldn't take the contemption that seems to overwhelm the discourses
        people share. Possibly, anthroposophy is only possible to exist as a
        healthy discipline of thought and living, when applied to a
        socialist society in which so many of the agonies and horrors of the
        consumer's marketsystem won't survive. I may be biased, but in
        America, anthroposophy feels like a consumer's good, like going to
        IKEA or buying for the newest electric appliance. It feels very
        hollow. But, I am an outsider and a foreigner. -Gloria

        Well yes, if you received contemption it was probably on an
        americanist forum for anthroposophy in the spirit of america. But
        here's the important reminder: The buildings were destroyed not by
        any Jihadist war on America or Israel, but by clever soradists out
        of America itself, with their own agenda.

        I was on a forum of this kind myself, run by a phoney who called
        himself an anarchist of the likes of Emma Goldman. Yet, in the
        final analysis, it all boiled down to Emma Goldman; and as we all
        know, nobody listened. She actually had to defend herself after the
        assassination of William McKinley by saying: "so what if one fat
        white guy dies when thousands die every day suffering and starving
        to death".

        But here's the paradox: McKinley was a good guy; for the people all
        the way. One of the few; a Christian who suffered big time. Look
        it up. Goldman was looking more globally to the overall Illuminati
        itself, which Mckinley was not. No, his hand was forced by Teddy
        Rex.

        Steve
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