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  • holderlin66
    Carol, thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria. And thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark. We all miss the Christian
    Message 1 of 18 , Jun 3, 2007
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      Carol,  thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria. And thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark.  We all miss the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to keep our cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in 10,000.  Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and from his base in Austin Texas  the whole context of the Fabrication of terror and False flags are richly explored by him. 

      Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the current debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics. Ron Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve and so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless because big media and money want only certain players to play the game that will sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow instincts of humanity.  Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic imaginations and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of struggle or fight.  We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make the obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity, specifically our children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of Ahrimanic complacency.

      To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground beneath our feetthat  is riddled with deception that the common thinking human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational deceptions and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate themselves against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael thinking. 

       The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a heady ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes and desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the depths.  That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel  our own Luciferic intentions motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient Soul or Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy replication of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold sacred before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled and molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul teaching and instruction. 

      Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with ancient history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped memory field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-designed by the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself.... But we hardly rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling, thrusting imaginations,  stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media imaginations and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition. 

      We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic Human Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that presses the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness to steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul.  Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be able to keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human Intelligence to walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth time, stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are wading through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb thinking and education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system we drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort, when it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.

      This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional forces that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes.  And we wish and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper layers of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system dynamics in the soul workings of the human being.  Steiner in his Study of Man refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance.  Rather resolution and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that we really could have done it better.  None of us have ever really done much of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the world.... at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility. But the Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not native to the deeper recessess of our i am.  Our karma offers opportunity to do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off the guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away from the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.

      Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest then assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the Trinity, on behalf of the Church

      R. S.  Study of Man

      http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/19190825a01.html

      "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I wished to do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is not what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is something which always works in the will when we have motives; that is, the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of which the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that accompany all our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out of a motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to ourselves; what you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in life, without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be sad if we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing which we could not do better still. And this is where we see the difference between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is not so advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied with himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly satisfied with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a wish to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a deed; but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have done a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more important to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man has is the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish sounds as an undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who can really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which we feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had done it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it to you, we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.

      Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is formed a kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it had to be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the mental picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany each motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here the so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you will do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you.

      That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis," talks a lot of nonsense about this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind again. It is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the house is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people, among them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to the train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves and with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members of the party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming round a corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close. What do the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the carriage by going right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as fast as she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified. But the lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs until she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to get out of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought back to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.

      You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis. But something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question is: what was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What did she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as soon as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This, however, was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man, within us, is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper consciousness. So clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged the whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water in order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to get at these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of a "second man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man what is at work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows itself to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary activity of the soul.

      In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion

      Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all these component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and then, playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and resolution which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-Man

      This has a great significance in the development of the human being. For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time after death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death. We describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention and resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only experience wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when these things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish, intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does not appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."

      Bradford concludes;

      The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not discounting as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between the cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that stirs in our depths as  Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man.  In these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes a picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve itself in the future...  And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep picture has issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic error, or failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or merely an Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will ensue are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions  that are then numbed even further and distorted through medical abuses. 

       But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled, festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed selfish designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move through our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we apparently strike from.  Even if what moves through our will as previous incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid to examine our motives and instincts ..  Afraid to bring the clarity of common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny paths. Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael School and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on imprisoning us in our deceptions.  NICE!  

      Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed to the point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote such attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully destructive concepts in education and medical science that promote and further the For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass murder.  It also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are thrown at us. 

      For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our cars on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on companies that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required and us going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma.  Evil Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to stop the monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect,  but rather super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human beings by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some group.... Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!

      The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and too awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle with.  The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened instinctual double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see, with Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few who try to  see, also into  the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving.   And far too slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the soul as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual depth and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful examples of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within us.  To see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image reverse it and set it properly within our higher human striving against the inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt as normal tendencies.   

    • Gloria
      this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as
      Message 2 of 18 , Jun 3, 2007
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        this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here.  See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people make it be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is just consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to mankind.  However, one can no longer say that it is the way it is, not being what it should be.  Possibly man is attributing to Ahriman much of the load that man alone is creating, and neglecting. 
        -Gloria

        holderlin66 <holderlin66@...> wrote:
        Carol,  thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria. And thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark.  We all miss the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to keep our cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in 10,000.  Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and from his base in Austin Texas  the whole context of the Fabrication of terror and False flags are richly explored by him. 
        Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the current debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics. Ron Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve and so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless because big media and money want only certain players to play the game that will sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow instincts of humanity.  Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic imaginations and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of struggle or fight.  We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make the obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity, specifically our children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of Ahrimanic complacency.
        To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground beneath our feetthat  is riddled with deception that the common thinking human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational deceptions and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate themselves against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael thinking. 
         The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a heady ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes and desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the depths.  That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel  our own Luciferic intentions motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient Soul or Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy replication of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold sacred before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled and molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul teaching and instruction. 
        Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with ancient history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped memory field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-designed by the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself. ... But we hardly rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling, thrusting imaginations,  stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media imaginations and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition. 
        We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic Human Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that presses the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness to steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul.  Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be able to keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human Intelligence to walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth time, stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are wading through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb thinking and education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system we drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort, when it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.
        This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional forces that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes.  And we wish and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper layers of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system dynamics in the soul workings of the human being.  Steiner in his Study of Man refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance.  Rather resolution and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that we really could have done it better.  None of us have ever really done much of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the world.... at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility. But the Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not native to the deeper recessess of our i am.  Our karma offers opportunity to do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off the guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away from the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.
        Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest then assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the Trinity, on behalf of the Church
        R. S.  Study of Man
        "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I wished to do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is not what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is something which always works in the will when we have motives; that is, the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of which the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that accompany all our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out of a motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to ourselves; what you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in life, without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be sad if we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing which we could not do better still. And this is where we see the difference between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is not so advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied with himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly satisfied with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a wish to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a deed; but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have done a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more important to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man has is the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish sounds as an undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who can really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which we feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had done it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it to you, we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.
        Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is formed a kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it had to be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the mental picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany each motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here the so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you will do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you.
        That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis, " talks a lot of nonsense about this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind again. It is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the house is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people, among them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to the train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves and with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members of the party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming round a corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close. What do the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the carriage by going right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as fast as she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified. But the lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs until she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to get out of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought back to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.
        You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis. But something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question is: what was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What did she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as soon as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This, however, was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man, within us, is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper consciousness. So clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged the whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water in order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to get at these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of a "second man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man what is at work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows itself to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary activity of the soul.
        In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion
        Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all these component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and then, playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and resolution which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-Man
        This has a great significance in the development of the human being. For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time after death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death. We describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention and resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only experience wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when these things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish, intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does not appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."
        Bradford concludes;
        The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not discounting as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between the cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that stirs in our depths as  Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man.  In these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes a picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve itself in the future...  And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep picture has issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic error, or failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or merely an Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will ensue are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions  that are then numbed even further and distorted through medical abuses. 
         But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled, festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed selfish designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move through our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we apparently strike from.  Even if what moves through our will as previous incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid to examine our motives and instincts ..  Afraid to bring the clarity of common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny paths. Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael School and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on imprisoning us in our deceptions.  NICE!  
        Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed to the point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote such attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully destructive concepts in education and medical science that promote and further the For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass murder.  It also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are thrown at us. 
        For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our cars on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on companies that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required and us going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma.  Evil Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to stop the monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect,  but rather super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human beings by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some group.... Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!
        The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and too awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle with.  The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened instinctual double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see, with Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few who try to  see, also into  the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving.   And far too slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the soul as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual depth and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful examples of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within us.  To see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image reverse it and set it properly within our higher human striving against the inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt as normal tendencies.   


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      • carol
        this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as
        Message 3 of 18 , Jun 4, 2007
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          "this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here.  See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe , because the people make it be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is just consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to mankind…"

           

          I believe that a need has revealed itself to recognize in the most sympathetic manner,  the major (albeit intimate) spiritual differences between various peoples distributed throughout the world. This area of study is ongoing for me,  as are so many other areas of study…

           

          From what I know through my own `experience'  and from what I see around me, North Americans do not seem to naturally possess the same spiritual constitution and solid, steadfast understanding which can be seen, to varying degrees,  underlying  individualities from the Middle part of Europe.  Nor do Eastern Europeans seem to carry about them this same inner constitution.

           

          Rudolf Steiner differentiated these natural forming underlying constitutions in somewhat of the following.

           

          In North Americans,  knowledge of spirit surfaces in an instinctive manner,  in Middle Europe it does so in an intellectual manner and in Eastern Europe it does so  through an inspirational pathway. This is somewhat of a barren overview,  but when observation allows these fundamental distinctions to fill with content,  not only does it permit the possibility for developing warmer rapports with others carrying about them something of a `difference',  but it also opens the way for allowing one the possibility of conceiving of how,  when all these forces work together under a Michaelmic influence, they exist as the  moving forces which humanity uses to advance forward in time, while ensuring harmony with the `life bearing' Spiritual ones of this world and  beyond it.  

           

          I visualized these differences in the following manner:  The North American carries his/her spirit forces deep in his pocket (ready to be grabbed and used at any decisive moment),  the middle European wears them as his/her warm, securing vest and the Slavic sees them on the path set before him and under his feet,  leading him/her forward in time, along with the rest of humanity,  into a more spiritualized future.

           

          Rudolf Steiner indicated that the Middle European, through his capacity of intellectually interpreting Spirit,  could be brought to act as the bridging (directional?) force between the East and the West.  (?)   This would seem possible since neither the East nor the West seem to intrinsically possess natural forming, solid (full body)capabilities in this/their common domain, even when they engage themselves in Anthroposophical studies.

           

          And stepping out of theory,  how and where does this play itself out?

           

          The extract of the lecture which Bradford brought forth gives a clue.

           

           

          "But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you…

           

          …In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion

          Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/19190825a01.html

          PS. I gave it a good try!  C.

           


          --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria <gloriabjork@...> wrote:
          >
          > this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people make it be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is just consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to mankind. However, one can no longer say that it is the way it is, not being what it should be. Possibly man is attributing to Ahriman much of the load that man alone is creating, and neglecting.
          > -Gloria
          >
          > holderlin66 holderlin66@... wrote:
          > Carol, thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria. And thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark. We all miss the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to keep our cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in 10,000. Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and from his base in Austin Texas the whole context of the Fabrication of terror and False flags are richly explored by him.
          > Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the current debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics. Ron Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve and so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless because big media and money want only certain players to play the game that will sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow instincts of humanity. Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic imaginations and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of struggle or fight. We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make the obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity, specifically our children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of Ahrimanic complacency.
          > To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground beneath our feetthat is riddled with deception that the common thinking human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational deceptions and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate themselves against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael thinking.
          > The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a heady ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes and desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the depths. That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel our own Luciferic intentions motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient Soul or Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy replication of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold sacred before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled and molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul teaching and instruction.
          > Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with ancient history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped memory field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-designed by the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself.... But we hardly rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling, thrusting imaginations, stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media imaginations and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition.
          > We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic Human Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that presses the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness to steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul. Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be able to keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human Intelligence to walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth time, stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are wading through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb thinking and education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system we drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort, when it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.
          > This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional forces that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes. And we wish and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper layers of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system dynamics in the soul workings of the human being. Steiner in his Study of Man refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance. Rather resolution and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that we really could have done it better. None of us have ever really done much of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the world.... at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility. But the Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not native to the deeper recessess of our i am. Our karma offers opportunity to
          > do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off the guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away from the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.
          > Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest then assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the Trinity, on behalf of the Church:
          > R. S. Study of Man
          > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/19190825a01.html
          > "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I wished to do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is not what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is something which always works in the will when we have motives; that is, the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of which the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that accompany all our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out of a motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to ourselves; what you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in life, without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be sad if we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing which we could not do better still. And this is where we see the difference
          > between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is not so advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied with himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly satisfied with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a wish to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a deed; but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have done a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more important to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man has is the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish sounds as an
          > undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who can really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which we feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had done it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it to you, we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.
          > Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is formed a kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it had to be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the mental picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany each motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here the so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you will do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you.
          >
          > That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis," talks a lot of nonsense about this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind again. It is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the house is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people, among them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to the train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves and with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members of the party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming round a corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close. What do the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the carriage by going
          > right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as fast as she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified. But the lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs until she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to get out of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought back to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.
          >
          > You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis. But something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question is: what was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What did she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as soon as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This, however, was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man, within us, is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper consciousness. So clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged the whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water in order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to get at these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of a "second man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man what is at
          > work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows itself to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary activity of the soul.
          >
          > In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion
          >
          > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all these component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and then, playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and resolution which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-Man
          >
          > This has a great significance in the development of the human being. For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time after death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death. We describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention and resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only experience wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when these things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish, intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does not appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."
          > Bradford concludes;
          > The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not discounting as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between the cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that stirs in our depths as Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man. In these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes a picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve itself in the future... And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep picture has issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic error, or failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or merely an Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will ensue are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions that are then numbed even further and distorted through medical abuses.
          > But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled, festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed selfish designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move through our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we apparently strike from. Even if what moves through our will as previous incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid to examine our motives and instincts .. Afraid to bring the clarity of common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny paths. Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael School and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on imprisoning us in our deceptions. NICE!
          > Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed to the point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote such attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully destructive concepts in education and medical science that promote and further the For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass murder. It also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are thrown at us.
          > For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our cars on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on companies that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required and us going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma. Evil Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to stop the monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect, but rather super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human beings by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some group.... Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!
          > The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and too awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle with. The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened instinctual double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see, with Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few who try to see, also into the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving. And far too slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the soul as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual depth and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful examples of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within us. To see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image reverse it
          > and set it properly within our higher human striving against the inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt as normal tendencies.
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          > Don't pick lemons.
          > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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        • Gloria
          Simply put, I see too much complacency in North American s culture. Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at the moment there is no longer a
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            Simply put, I see too much complacency in North American's culture.  Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at the moment there is no longer a division in terms of space or distance, since things (and thoughts) have tended to become pretty much global.  You only need to go to any interesting city of Europe in the summer, and watch the herds of North American tourists wandering up and down the roads.  It is apparent that the exchanges have become more overt, and so the giving and taking.  Under the current conditions of globalization, outsourcing, offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century before the last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for awakening that underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going through.  Before it may turn too late. 

            Regards,

            -Gloria

            carol <organicethics@...> wrote:
            "this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here.  See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe , because the people make it be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is just consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to mankind…"
             
            I believe that a need has revealed itself to recognize in the most sympathetic manner,  the major (albeit intimate) spiritual differences between various peoples distributed throughout the world. This area of study is ongoing for me,  as are so many other areas of study…
             
            From what I know through my own `experience'  and from what I see around me, North Americans do not seem to naturally possess the same spiritual constitution and solid, steadfast understanding which can be seen, to varying degrees,  underlying  individualities from the Middle part of Europe.  Nor do Eastern Europeans seem to carry about them this same inner constitution.
             
            Rudolf Steiner differentiated these natural forming underlying constitutions in somewhat of the following.
             
            In North Americans,  knowledge of spirit surfaces in an instinctive manner,  in Middle Europe it does so in an intellectual manner and in Eastern Europe it does so  through an inspirational pathway. This is somewhat of a barren overview,  but when observation allows these fundamental distinctions to fill with content,  not only does it permit the possibility for developing warmer rapports with others carrying about them something of a `difference' ,  but it also opens the way for allowing one the possibility of conceiving of how,  when all these forces work together under a Michaelmic influence, they exist as the  moving forces which humanity uses to advance forward in time, while ensuring harmony with the `life bearing' Spiritual ones of this world and  beyond it.  
             
            I visualized these differences in the following manner:  The North American carries his/her spirit forces deep in his pocket (ready to be grabbed and used at any decisive moment),  the middle European wears them as his/her warm, securing vest and the Slavic sees them on the path set before him and under his feet,  leading him/her forward in time, along with the rest of humanity,  into a more spiritualized future.
             
            Rudolf Steiner indicated that the Middle European, through his capacity of intellectually interpreting Spirit,  could be brought to act as the bridging (directional? ) force between the East and the West.  (?)   This would seem possible since neither the East nor the West seem to intrinsically possess natural forming, solid (full body)capabilities in this/their common domain, even when they engage themselves in Anthroposophical studies.
             
            And stepping out of theory,  how and where does this play itself out?
             
            The extract of the lecture which Bradford brought forth gives a clue.
             
             
            "But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you…
             
            …In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion
            Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. http://wn.rsarchive .org/Lectures/ StudyMan/ 19190825a01. html
            PS. I gave it a good try!  C.
             

            --- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, Gloria <gloriabjork@ ...> wrote:
            >
            > this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people make it be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is just consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to mankind. However, one can no longer say that it is the way it is, not being what it should be. Possibly man is attributing to Ahriman much of the load that man alone is creating, and neglecting.
            > -Gloria
            >
            > holderlin66 holderlin66@ ... wrote:
            > Carol, thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria. And thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark. We all miss the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to keep our cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in 10,000. Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and from his base in Austin Texas the whole context of the Fabrication of terror and False flags are richly explored by him.
            > Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the current debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics. Ron Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve and so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless because big media and money want only certain players to play the game that will sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow instincts of humanity. Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic imaginations and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of struggle or fight. We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make the obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity, specifically our children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of Ahrimanic complacency.
            > To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground beneath our feetthat is riddled with deception that the common thinking human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational deceptions and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate themselves against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael thinking.
            > The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a heady ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes and desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the depths. That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel our own Luciferic intentions motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient Soul or Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy replication of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold sacred before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled and molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul teaching and instruction.
            > Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with ancient history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped memory field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-designed by the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself. ... But we hardly rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling, thrusting imaginations, stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media imaginations and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition.
            > We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic Human Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that presses the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness to steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul. Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be able to keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human Intelligence to walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth time, stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are wading through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb thinking and education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system we drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort, when it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.
            > This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional forces that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes. And we wish and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper layers of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system dynamics in the soul workings of the human being. Steiner in his Study of Man refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance. Rather resolution and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that we really could have done it better. None of us have ever really done much of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the world.... at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility. But the Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not native to the deeper recessess of our i am. Our karma offers opportunity to
            > do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off the guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away from the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.
            > Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest then assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the Trinity, on behalf of the Church:
            > R. S. Study of Man
            > http://wn.rsarchive .org/Lectures/ StudyMan/ 19190825a01. html
            > "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I wished to do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is not what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is something which always works in the will when we have motives; that is, the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of which the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that accompany all our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out of a motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to ourselves; what you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in life, without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be sad if we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing which we could not do better still. And this is where we see the difference
            > between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is not so advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied with himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly satisfied with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a wish to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a deed; but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have done a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more important to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man has is the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish sounds as an
            > undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who can really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which we feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had done it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it to you, we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.
            > Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is formed a kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it had to be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the mental picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany each motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here the so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you will do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you.
            >
            > That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis, " talks a lot of nonsense about this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind again. It is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the house is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people, among them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to the train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves and with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members of the party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming round a corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close. What do the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the carriage by going
            > right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as fast as she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified. But the lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs until she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to get out of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought back to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.
            >
            > You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis. But something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question is: what was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What did she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as soon as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This, however, was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man, within us, is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper consciousness. So clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged the whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water in order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to get at these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of a "second man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man what is at
            > work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows itself to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary activity of the soul.
            >
            > In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion
            >
            > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all these component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and then, playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and resolution which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-Man
            >
            > This has a great significance in the development of the human being. For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time after death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death. We describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention and resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only experience wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when these things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish, intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does not appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."
            > Bradford concludes;
            > The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not discounting as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between the cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that stirs in our depths as Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man. In these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes a picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve itself in the future... And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep picture has issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic error, or failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or merely an Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will ensue are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions that are then numbed even further and distorted through medical abuses.
            > But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled, festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed selfish designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move through our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we apparently strike from. Even if what moves through our will as previous incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid to examine our motives and instincts .. Afraid to bring the clarity of common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny paths. Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael School and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on imprisoning us in our deceptions. NICE!
            > Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed to the point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote such attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully destructive concepts in education and medical science that promote and further the For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass murder. It also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are thrown at us.
            > For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our cars on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on companies that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required and us going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma. Evil Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to stop the monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect, but rather super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human beings by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some group.... Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!
            > The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and too awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle with. The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened instinctual double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see, with Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few who try to see, also into the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving. And far too slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the soul as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual depth and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful examples of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within us. To see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image reverse it
            > and set it properly within our higher human striving against the inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt as normal tendencies.
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          • Stephen Hale
            ... culture. Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at the moment there is no longer a division in terms of space or distance, since things
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              --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria <gloriabjork@...> wrote:
              >
              > Simply put, I see too much complacency in North American's
              culture. Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at
              the moment there is no longer a division in terms of space or
              distance, since things (and thoughts) have tended to become pretty
              much global. You only need to go to any interesting city of Europe
              in the summer, and watch the herds of North American tourists
              wandering up and down the roads. It is apparent that the exchanges
              have become more overt, and so the giving and taking. Under the
              current conditions of globalization, outsourcing, offshoring and the
              like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should utilize the
              perception of Steiner - who lived in the century before the last -
              as a measure to redefine the current necessity for awakening that
              underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going
              through. Before it may turn too late.
              >
              > Regards,
              >
              > -Gloria

              There are spiritual challenges that exist in America that are
              unique. Having a war on terror commence in spite of hundreds of
              thousands of protesters against it, means both that people are very
              actively against this evil, with its mounting evidence that it was
              caused by dark adversarial powers wearing suits, and also that
              protestation doesn't really mean much in the outer sense when we
              have a president who says: "see, this is what it means to be an
              American; freedom to protest and speak out. This is what we have
              here today."! "But we're still going in; we have to in order to
              disable those WMD's, and bring Sadam Hussein down." So, thanks for
              protesting but no dice.

              In certain respects, America is a haven for evil forces coming up
              from the sub-earthly domains. This continent possessed an
              extraordinary amount of magnetic power, just as the Eastern regions
              have a preponderance of electrical forces. Expressed spiritually,
              these represent Ahriman and Lucifer, respectively. America is
              unique also because it is populated most largely by Middle and
              Western Europeans for the past 400 years, leaving its native
              population largely unknown and mostly extinct today, in favor of
              this European migration and population. Thus, modern American
              culture has its roots in Europe in this fifth epoch, where the fifth
              sub-culture represents Anglo-Saxon and Teutonic heritage.

              So, this is what comprises the mainstream of America today. Little
              regard is given to just who, and where from, these original native
              Americans came from, and how they happened to be here for 10,000
              years before the colonies from Europe began coming here in 1607.
              Present day America is proud of its cultural heritage, which is
              exclusive to any knowledge or interest in the source of these first
              Americans. But, a thousand years before the first colony was
              settled at Jamestown, a great deal of interest and knowledge of
              these people's roots existed, and also the awareness of the presence
              of ahrimanically-oriented magnetic force sufficient enough to be the
              cause of organic illnesses. And so, early European studies of the
              causes of organic illnesses were made by way of passage to America
              on Viking ships in the seventh and eighth centuries. These were the
              very first Europeans to come here, a thousand years before John
              Smith; aboard Norwegian ships rowed by Vikings. They came to study
              the red-skinned race which populated this country, and who were
              entirely isolated from any cultural influence from outside.

              Modern medicine is based on these early studies, which were taken
              back to Europe for further development. And it was determined that
              the cause of organic illnesses is due to ahriman taking a certain
              possession of the physical body just before birth, and working there
              on an instinctive level. So as can readily be seen today,
              American's suffer from an ever-increasing array of physical
              disorders of the organic kind, one of the major symptoms of which is
              obesity. Americans are also prone to other debilitating influences
              of the sensory kind, designed to undermine the power of active
              intellect and concentration, which further affects a general kind of
              sleepy, non-attentive stupor in people. And this all undermines
              potential, and serves to make an automaton out of what is
              ostenstibly supposed to be a free and evolving human being.

              Ahriman proliferates in America, where his father also resides. His
              name is Asuras.

              Steve
            • carol
              Under the current conditions of globalization, outsourcing, offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should utilize the perception of
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                "Under the current conditions of globalization, outsourcing, offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century before the last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for awakening that underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going through.  Before it may turn too late."

                 

                Gloria, I feel that you greatly underestimate `the formative spiritual forces' which Rudolf Steiner left behind through at least his published materials;  in some respects, approx. a century has passed since he lived and though it may seem a great span of time when  viewed from a context of 1 single (our present) earth life, it can also be experienced as a short one when one seriously ponders on the frequency in which significant and deeply pronounced incarnations occur through epics of humanity's history (and becoming).

                 

                In today's world, the process of becoming familiar with Ahriman's presence within Western culture by engaging oneself in spirit objectivity (spirit concepts) regardless of where one actually lives,  is one of the steps through which  Anthroposophy's occult `properties' can become animated within one's self as well, our collective soul fabric. As anthroposophists, we do wish, in the least,  to offer ourselves as open windows through which Angelic beings may access and influence our earthly world…

                 

                Your last sentence `Before it may turn too late' seems to express great urgency.  But we do find  through studying spiritual science that humankind's earthly and for that matter heavenly lives unravel within the greatest of complexity.  Taking this into consideration,  your sentence could be still be seen as a call `from the starting line'  to finally wake up, get up and get moving.

                 

                Rudolf Steiner often addressed his attendees with deep heart forces and within their echo (our individual reading), we should still be able to recognize a call for great and reverent patience. And through truly knowing  this patience,   we may all  come to know what actions are already ongoing through Anthroposophia's earthly presence and how we are presently taking  part in them.

                 

                This is just one of the humble ways to approach your objections.  C.

                 

                 


                --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria <gloriabjork@...> wrote:
                >
                > Simply put, I see too much complacency in North American's culture. Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at the moment there is no longer a division in terms of space or distance, since things (and thoughts) have tended to become pretty much global. You only need to go to any interesting city of Europe in the summer, and watch the herds of North American tourists wandering up and down the roads. It is apparent that the exchanges have become more overt, and so the giving and taking. Under the current conditions of globalization, outsourcing, offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century before the last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for awakening that underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going through. Before it may turn too late.
                >
                > Regards,
                >
                > -Gloria
                >
                > carol organicethics@... wrote:
                > "this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people make it be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is just consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to mankind…"
                >
                > I believe that a need has revealed itself to recognize in the most sympathetic manner, the major (albeit intimate) spiritual differences between various peoples distributed throughout the world. This area of study is ongoing for me, as are so many other areas of study…
                >
                > From what I know through my own `experience' and from what I see around me, North Americans do not seem to naturally possess the same spiritual constitution and solid, steadfast understanding which can be seen, to varying degrees, underlying individualities from the Middle part of Europe. Nor do Eastern Europeans seem to carry about them this same inner constitution.
                >
                > Rudolf Steiner differentiated these natural forming underlying constitutions in somewhat of the following.
                >
                > In North Americans, knowledge of spirit surfaces in an instinctive manner, in Middle Europe it does so in an intellectual manner and in Eastern Europe it does so through an inspirational pathway. This is somewhat of a barren overview, but when observation allows these fundamental distinctions to fill with content, not only does it permit the possibility for developing warmer rapports with others carrying about them something of a `difference', but it also opens the way for allowing one the possibility of conceiving of how, when all these forces work together under a Michaelmic influence, they exist as the moving forces which humanity uses to advance forward in time, while ensuring harmony with the `life bearing' Spiritual ones of this world and beyond it.
                >
                > I visualized these differences in the following manner: The North American carries his/her spirit forces deep in his pocket (ready to be grabbed and used at any decisive moment), the middle European wears them as his/her warm, securing vest and the Slavic sees them on the path set before him and under his feet, leading him/her forward in time, along with the rest of humanity, into a more spiritualized future.
                >
                > Rudolf Steiner indicated that the Middle European, through his capacity of intellectually interpreting Spirit, could be brought to act as the bridging (directional?) force between the East and the West. (?) This would seem possible since neither the East nor the West seem to intrinsically possess natural forming, solid (full body)capabilities in this/their common domain, even when they engage themselves in Anthroposophical studies.
                >
                > And stepping out of theory, how and where does this play itself out?
                >
                > The extract of the lecture which Bradford brought forth gives a clue.
                >
                >
                > "But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you…
                >
                > …In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion
                > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/19190825a01.html
                > PS. I gave it a good try! C.
                >
                >
                >
                > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria gloriabjork@ wrote:
                > >
                > > this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany anthroposophy succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people make it be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is just consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to mankind. However, one can no longer say that it is the way it is, not being what it should be. Possibly man is attributing to Ahriman much of the load that man alone is creating, and neglecting.
                > > -Gloria
                > >
                > > holderlin66 holderlin66@ wrote:
                > > Carol, thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria. And thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark. We all miss the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to keep our cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in 10,000. Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and from his base in Austin Texas the whole context of the Fabrication of terror and False flags are richly explored by him.
                > > Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the current debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics. Ron Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve and so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless because big media and money want only certain players to play the game that will sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow instincts of humanity. Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic imaginations and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of struggle or fight. We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make the obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity, specifically our children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of Ahrimanic complacency.
                > > To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground beneath our feetthat is riddled with deception that the common thinking human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational deceptions and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate themselves against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael thinking.
                > > The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a heady ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes and desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the depths. That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel our own Luciferic intentions motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient Soul or Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy replication of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold sacred before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled and molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul teaching and instruction.
                > > Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with ancient history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped memory field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-designed by the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself.... But we hardly rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling, thrusting imaginations, stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media imaginations and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition.
                > > We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic Human Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that presses the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness to steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul. Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be able to keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human Intelligence to walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth time, stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are wading through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb thinking and education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system we drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort, when it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.
                > > This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional forces that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes. And we wish and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper layers of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system dynamics in the soul workings of the human being. Steiner in his Study of Man refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance. Rather resolution and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that we really could have done it better. None of us have ever really done much of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the world.... at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility. But the Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not native to the deeper recessess of our i am. Our karma offers opportunity to
                > > do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off the guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away from the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.
                > > Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest then assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the Trinity, on behalf of the Church:
                > > R. S. Study of Man
                > > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/19190825a01.html
                > > "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I wished to do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is not what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is something which always works in the will when we have motives; that is, the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of which the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that accompany all our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out of a motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to ourselves; what you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in life, without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be sad if we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing which we could not do better still. And this is where we see the difference
                > > between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is not so advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied with himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly satisfied with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a wish to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a deed; but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have done a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more important to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man has is the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish sounds as an
                > > undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who can really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which we feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had done it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it to you, we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.
                > > Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is formed a kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it had to be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the mental picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany each motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here the so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you will do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this. Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you.
                > >
                > > That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis," talks a lot of nonsense about this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind again. It is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the house is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people, among them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to the train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves and with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members of the party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming round a corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close. What do the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the carriage by going
                > > right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as fast as she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified. But the lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs until she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to get out of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought back to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.
                > >
                > > You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis. But something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question is: what was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What did she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as soon as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This, however, was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man, within us, is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper consciousness. So clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged the whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water in order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to get at these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of a "second man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man what is at
                > > work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows itself to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary activity of the soul.
                > >
                > > In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other" man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar occasion
                > >
                > > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention become a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the Spirit-Man, the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-Self. When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all these component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and then, playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and resolution which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-Man
                > >
                > > This has a great significance in the development of the human being. For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time after death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death. We describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention and resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only experience wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when these things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish, intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does not appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."
                > > Bradford concludes;
                > > The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not discounting as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between the cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that stirs in our depths as Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man. In these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes a picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve itself in the future... And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep picture has issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic error, or failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or merely an Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will ensue are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions that are then numbed even further and distorted through medical abuses.
                > > But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled, festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed selfish designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move through our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we apparently strike from. Even if what moves through our will as previous incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid to examine our motives and instincts .. Afraid to bring the clarity of common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny paths. Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael School and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on imprisoning us in our deceptions. NICE!
                > > Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed to the point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote such attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully destructive concepts in education and medical science that promote and further the For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass murder. It also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are thrown at us.
                > > For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our cars on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on companies that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required and us going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma. Evil Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to stop the monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect, but rather super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human beings by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some group.... Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!
                > > The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and too awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle with. The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened instinctual double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see, with Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few who try to see, also into the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving. And far too slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the soul as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual depth and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful examples of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within us. To see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image reverse it
                > > and set it properly within our higher human striving against the inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt as normal tendencies.
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              • Stephen Hale
                When Gloria writes and says: What do you think about the fabrication of terror coming out of the United States? , doesn t she mean: What do us anthro s think
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                  When Gloria writes and says: "What do you think about the
                  fabrication of terror coming out of the United States?", doesn't she
                  mean: What do us anthro's think about it? To me, this is pure
                  freudian, because she has to know that we anthro's have thought alot
                  about this fabrication of terror. For myself, I said that the war
                  on terror was caused through pre-planning that involved destroying
                  the World Trade Center buildings by way of demolition implosion.
                  And this is clearly evident. No popular science physics can make an
                  explosion into an implosion. And if that isn't enough evidence, no
                  third building is going to come down in sympathy for the other two
                  the same way. But Americans simply don't want to look at it.

                  Maybe she confuses Americans with those who take pains to look into
                  these matters with a clear eye.

                  Steve

                  --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > "Under the current conditions of globalization, outsourcing,
                  > offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should
                  > utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century
                  before the
                  > last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for
                  awakening that
                  > underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going
                  > through. Before it may turn too late."
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Gloria, I feel that you greatly underestimate `the formative
                  > spiritual forces' which Rudolf Steiner left behind through at least
                  > his published materials; in some respects, approx. a century has
                  passed
                  > since he lived and though it may seem a great span of time when
                  viewed
                  > from a context of 1 single (our present) earth life, it can also be
                  > experienced as a short one when one seriously ponders on the
                  frequency
                  > in which significant and deeply pronounced incarnations occur
                  through
                  > epics of humanity's history (and becoming).
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > In today's world, the process of becoming familiar with
                  > Ahriman's presence within Western culture by engaging oneself in
                  > spirit objectivity (spirit concepts) regardless of where one
                  actually
                  > lives, is one of the steps through which Anthroposophy's occult
                  > `properties' can become animated within one's self as well,
                  > our collective soul fabric. As anthroposophists, we do wish, in the
                  > least, to offer ourselves as open windows through which Angelic
                  beings
                  > may access and influence our earthly world…
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Your last sentence `Before it may turn too late' seems to
                  > express great urgency. But we do find through studying spiritual
                  > science that humankind's earthly and for that matter heavenly lives
                  > unravel within the greatest of complexity. Taking this into
                  > consideration, your sentence could be still be seen as a call
                  `from
                  > the starting line' to finally wake up, get up and get moving.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Rudolf Steiner often addressed his attendees with deep heart
                  forces and
                  > within their echo (our individual reading), we should still be
                  able to
                  > recognize a call for great and reverent patience. And through truly
                  > knowing this patience, we may all come to know what actions are
                  > already ongoing through Anthroposophia's earthly presence and how
                  we are
                  > presently taking part in them.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > This is just one of the humble ways to approach your objections.
                  C.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria <gloriabjork@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Simply put, I see too much complacency in North American's
                  culture.
                  > Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at the
                  moment
                  > there is no longer a division in terms of space or distance, since
                  > things (and thoughts) have tended to become pretty much global.
                  You only
                  > need to go to any interesting city of Europe in the summer, and
                  watch
                  > the herds of North American tourists wandering up and down the
                  roads. It
                  > is apparent that the exchanges have become more overt, and so the
                  giving
                  > and taking. Under the current conditions of globalization,
                  outsourcing,
                  > offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should
                  > utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century
                  before the
                  > last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for
                  awakening that
                  > underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going
                  > through. Before it may turn too late.
                  > >
                  > > Regards,
                  > >
                  > > -Gloria
                  > >
                  > > carol organicethics@ wrote:
                  > > "this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the
                  > beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany
                  anthroposophy
                  > succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people
                  make it
                  > be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is
                  just
                  > consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to
                  > mankind…"
                  > >
                  > > I believe that a need has revealed itself to recognize in the
                  most
                  > sympathetic manner, the major (albeit intimate) spiritual
                  differences
                  > between various peoples distributed throughout the world. This
                  area of
                  > study is ongoing for me, as are so many other areas of study…
                  > >
                  > > From what I know through my own `experience' and from what I see
                  > around me, North Americans do not seem to naturally possess the
                  same
                  > spiritual constitution and solid, steadfast understanding which
                  can be
                  > seen, to varying degrees, underlying individualities from the
                  Middle
                  > part of Europe. Nor do Eastern Europeans seem to carry about them
                  this
                  > same inner constitution.
                  > >
                  > > Rudolf Steiner differentiated these natural forming underlying
                  > constitutions in somewhat of the following.
                  > >
                  > > In North Americans, knowledge of spirit surfaces in an
                  instinctive
                  > manner, in Middle Europe it does so in an intellectual manner and
                  in
                  > Eastern Europe it does so through an inspirational pathway. This is
                  > somewhat of a barren overview, but when observation allows these
                  > fundamental distinctions to fill with content, not only does it
                  permit
                  > the possibility for developing warmer rapports with others carrying
                  > about them something of a `difference', but it also opens the way
                  for
                  > allowing one the possibility of conceiving of how, when all these
                  forces
                  > work together under a Michaelmic influence, they exist as the
                  moving
                  > forces which humanity uses to advance forward in time, while
                  ensuring
                  > harmony with the `life bearing' Spiritual ones of this world and
                  beyond
                  > it.
                  > >
                  > > I visualized these differences in the following manner: The North
                  > American carries his/her spirit forces deep in his pocket (ready
                  to be
                  > grabbed and used at any decisive moment), the middle European
                  wears them
                  > as his/her warm, securing vest and the Slavic sees them on the
                  path set
                  > before him and under his feet, leading him/her forward in time,
                  along
                  > with the rest of humanity, into a more spiritualized future.
                  > >
                  > > Rudolf Steiner indicated that the Middle European, through his
                  > capacity of intellectually interpreting Spirit, could be brought
                  to act
                  > as the bridging (directional?) force between the East and the
                  West. (?)
                  > This would seem possible since neither the East nor the West seem
                  to
                  > intrinsically possess natural forming, solid (full body)
                  capabilities in
                  > this/their common domain, even when they engage themselves in
                  > Anthroposophical studies.
                  > >
                  > > And stepping out of theory, how and where does this play itself
                  out?
                  > >
                  > > The extract of the lecture which Bradford brought forth gives a
                  clue.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > "But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always
                  forms
                  > — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will
                  > — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same
                  > position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this.
                  Above
                  > all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you…
                  > >
                  > > …In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other"
                  > man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who
                  always
                  > makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next
                  time,
                  > so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the
                  intention,
                  > the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a
                  similar
                  > occasion
                  > > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention
                  become a
                  > resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the
                  > resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the
                  Spirit-Man,
                  > the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-
                  Self.
                  > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/19190825a01.html
                  > > PS. I gave it a good try! C.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria gloriabjork@ wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the
                  > beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany
                  anthroposophy
                  > succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people
                  make it
                  > be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is
                  just
                  > consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to
                  > mankind. However, one can no longer say that it is the way it is,
                  not
                  > being what it should be. Possibly man is attributing to Ahriman
                  much of
                  > the load that man alone is creating, and neglecting.
                  > > > -Gloria
                  > > >
                  > > > holderlin66 holderlin66@ wrote:
                  > > > Carol, thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria.
                  And
                  > thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark. We all
                  miss
                  > the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to
                  keep our
                  > cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in
                  10,000.
                  > Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and
                  from
                  > his base in Austin Texas the whole context of the Fabrication of
                  terror
                  > and False flags are richly explored by him.
                  > > > Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the
                  current
                  > debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics.
                  Ron
                  > Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve
                  and
                  > so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless
                  because
                  > big media and money want only certain players to play the game
                  that will
                  > sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow
                  instincts
                  > of humanity. Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic
                  imaginations
                  > and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of
                  > struggle or fight. We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make
                  the
                  > obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity,
                  specifically our
                  > children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of
                  Ahrimanic
                  > complacency.
                  > > > To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the
                  > Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground
                  > beneath our feetthat is riddled with deception that the common
                  thinking
                  > human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational
                  deceptions
                  > and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate
                  themselves
                  > against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael
                  thinking.
                  > > > The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a
                  heady
                  > ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes
                  and
                  > desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the
                  depths.
                  > That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel our own Luciferic
                  intentions
                  > motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient
                  Soul or
                  > Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp
                  > dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush
                  > against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy
                  replication
                  > of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold
                  sacred
                  > before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled
                  and
                  > molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul
                  teaching and
                  > instruction.
                  > > > Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with
                  ancient
                  > history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped
                  memory
                  > field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-
                  designed by
                  > the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself.... But we hardly
                  > rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and
                  > understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling,
                  thrusting
                  > imaginations, stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which
                  > projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media
                  imaginations
                  > and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds
                  > through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition.
                  > > > We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic
                  Human
                  > Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that
                  presses
                  > the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness
                  to
                  > steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul.
                  > Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be
                  able to
                  > keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human
                  Intelligence to
                  > walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth
                  time,
                  > stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are
                  wading
                  > through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb
                  thinking and
                  > education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system
                  we
                  > drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort,
                  when
                  > it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.
                  > > > This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual
                  > there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional
                  forces
                  > that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes. And we
                  wish
                  > and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual
                  > Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper
                  layers
                  > of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system
                  dynamics in
                  > the soul workings of the human being. Steiner in his Study of Man
                  > refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance. Rather
                  resolution
                  > and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that
                  we
                  > really could have done it better. None of us have ever really done
                  much
                  > of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the
                  world....
                  > at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility.
                  But the
                  > Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not
                  native
                  > to the deeper recessess of our i am. Our karma offers opportunity
                  to
                  > > > do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and
                  > repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off
                  the
                  > guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away
                  from
                  > the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.
                  > > > Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and
                  > reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all
                  > mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest
                  then
                  > assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the
                  Trinity, on
                  > behalf of the Church:
                  > > > R. S. Study of Man
                  > > > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/StudyMan/19190825a01.html
                  > > > "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I
                  wished to
                  > do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is
                  not
                  > what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the
                  > impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is
                  > something which always works in the will when we have motives;
                  that is,
                  > the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of
                  which
                  > the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that
                  accompany all
                  > our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing
                  > particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out
                  of a
                  > motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to
                  ourselves; what
                  > you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in
                  life,
                  > without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be
                  sad if
                  > we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing
                  which
                  > we could not do better still. And this is where we see the
                  difference
                  > > > between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is
                  not so
                  > advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied
                  with
                  > himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly
                  satisfied
                  > with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a
                  wish
                  > to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this
                  > domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a
                  deed;
                  > but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often
                  > repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done
                  > something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our
                  > efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have
                  done
                  > a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more
                  important
                  > to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man
                  has is
                  > the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do
                  > the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish
                  sounds as
                  > an
                  > > > undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this
                  > undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who
                  can
                  > really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that
                  > remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which
                  we
                  > feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had
                  done
                  > it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it
                  to you,
                  > we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.
                  > > > Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer
                  > form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is
                  formed a
                  > kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it
                  had to
                  > be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the
                  mental
                  > picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany
                  each
                  > motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here
                  the
                  > so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your
                  > ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own
                  > will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you
                  will
                  > do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always
                  > forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the
                  > will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the
                  > same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as
                  this.
                  > Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in
                  you.
                  > > >
                  > > > That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself
                  > analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis," talks a lot of nonsense
                  about
                  > this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the
                  > following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have
                  > already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind
                  again. It
                  > is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is
                  > known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the
                  house
                  > is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people,
                  among
                  > them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to
                  the
                  > train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves
                  and
                  > with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members
                  of the
                  > party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming
                  round a
                  > corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close.
                  What do
                  > the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the
                  carriage
                  > by going
                  > > > right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as
                  fast as
                  > she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The
                  > coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified.
                  But the
                  > lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs
                  until
                  > she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to
                  get out
                  > of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought
                  back
                  > to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.
                  > > >
                  > > > You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis.
                  But
                  > something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question
                  is: what
                  > was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What
                  did
                  > she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as
                  soon
                  > as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This,
                  however,
                  > was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the
                  > sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man,
                  within us,
                  > is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper
                  consciousness. So
                  > clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged
                  the
                  > whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water
                  in
                  > order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw
                  > prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to
                  get at
                  > these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of
                  a "second
                  > man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man
                  what is
                  > at
                  > > > work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows
                  itself
                  > to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary
                  activity
                  > of the soul.
                  > > >
                  > > > In every man there dwells, underground, as it were,
                  the "other" man.
                  > In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always
                  makes up
                  > his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so
                  that
                  > always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the
                  > unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar
                  > occasion
                  > > >
                  > > > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention
                  become
                  > a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and
                  the
                  > resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the
                  Spirit-Man,
                  > the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-
                  Self.
                  > When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all
                  these
                  > component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and
                  then,
                  > playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and
                  resolution
                  > which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-
                  Man
                  > > >
                  > > > This has a great significance in the development of the human
                  being.
                  > For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time
                  after
                  > death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death.
                  We
                  > describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention
                  and
                  > resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only
                  experience
                  > wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when
                  these
                  > things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish,
                  > intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does
                  not
                  > appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them
                  > appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary
                  > consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."
                  > > > Bradford concludes;
                  > > > The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of
                  > Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not
                  discounting
                  > as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between
                  the
                  > cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which
                  > contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that
                  stirs in
                  > our depths as Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man.
                  In
                  > these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes
                  a
                  > picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve
                  itself in
                  > the future... And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep
                  picture has
                  > issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic
                  error, or
                  > failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or
                  merely an
                  > Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will
                  ensue
                  > are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions that are then
                  numbed
                  > even further and distorted through medical abuses.
                  > > > But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled,
                  > festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed
                  selfish
                  > designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move
                  through
                  > our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we
                  > apparently strike from. Even if what moves through our will as
                  previous
                  > incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to
                  > political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid
                  to
                  > examine our motives and instincts .. Afraid to bring the clarity of
                  > common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human
                  > spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny
                  paths.
                  > Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael
                  School
                  > and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on
                  imprisoning us
                  > in our deceptions. NICE!
                  > > > Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy
                  > lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed
                  to the
                  > point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war
                  > mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote
                  such
                  > attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the
                  > military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully
                  destructive
                  > concepts in education and medical science that promote and further
                  the
                  > For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass
                  murder. It
                  > also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by
                  > seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are
                  thrown at
                  > us.
                  > > > For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our
                  cars
                  > on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on
                  companies
                  > that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required
                  and us
                  > going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma.
                  Evil
                  > Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to
                  stop the
                  > monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy
                  > efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to
                  > support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect, but rather
                  > super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human
                  beings
                  > by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some
                  group....
                  > Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!
                  > > > The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and
                  too
                  > awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle
                  with.
                  > The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened
                  instinctual
                  > double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see,
                  with
                  > Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few
                  who try
                  > to see, also into the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul
                  > frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving. And
                  far too
                  > slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the
                  soul
                  > as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual
                  depth
                  > and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael
                  > Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful
                  examples
                  > of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to
                  > transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within
                  us. To
                  > see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image
                  reverse it
                  > > > and set it properly within our higher human striving against
                  the
                  > inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt
                  as
                  > normal tendencies.
                  > > >
                  > > >
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                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
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                • Gloria
                  Steve, thank you for the clear response. I was missing such direct addressing of the situation. Instead, the pushing away the problems on the faults of
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                    Steve, thank you for the clear response.  I was missing such direct addressing of the situation.  Instead, the pushing away the problems on the faults of Ahriman and his buddies, makes me feel angry and undone.  English is a good language to communicate. But, often I feel that it is also a trap.  For some reason, anthroposophy in German or in Swedish, even in French, feels less stressful.  I just dropped another anthroposophic discussion online, because I couldn't take the contemption that seems to overwhelm the discourses people share. Possibly, anthroposophy is only possible to exist as a healthy discipline of thought and living, when applied to a socialist society in which so many of the agonies and horrors of the consumer's marketsystem won't survive.  I may be biased, but in America, anthroposophy feels like a consumer's good, like going to IKEA or buying for the newest electric appliance. It feels very hollow.  But, I am an outsider and a foreigner.   -Gloria

                    Stephen Hale <sardisian01@...> wrote:
                    When Gloria writes and says: "What do you think about the
                    fabrication of terror coming out of the United States?", doesn't she
                    mean: What do us anthro's think about it? To me, this is pure
                    freudian, because she has to know that we anthro's have thought alot
                    about this fabrication of terror. For myself, I said that the war
                    on terror was caused through pre-planning that involved destroying
                    the World Trade Center buildings by way of demolition implosion.
                    And this is clearly evident. No popular science physics can make an
                    explosion into an implosion. And if that isn't enough evidence, no
                    third building is going to come down in sympathy for the other two
                    the same way. But Americans simply don't want to look at it.

                    Maybe she confuses Americans with those who take pains to look into
                    these matters with a clear eye.

                    Steve

                    --- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, "carol" <organicethics@ ...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > "Under the current conditions of globalization, outsourcing,
                    > offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should
                    > utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century
                    before the
                    > last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for
                    awakening that
                    > underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going
                    > through. Before it may turn too late."
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Gloria, I feel that you greatly underestimate `the formative
                    > spiritual forces' which Rudolf Steiner left behind through at least
                    > his published materials; in some respects, approx. a century has
                    passed
                    > since he lived and though it may seem a great span of time when
                    viewed
                    > from a context of 1 single (our present) earth life, it can also be
                    > experienced as a short one when one seriously ponders on the
                    frequency
                    > in which significant and deeply pronounced incarnations occur
                    through
                    > epics of humanity's history (and becoming).
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > In today's world, the process of becoming familiar with
                    > Ahriman's presence within Western culture by engaging oneself in
                    > spirit objectivity (spirit concepts) regardless of where one
                    actually
                    > lives, is one of the steps through which Anthroposophy' s occult
                    > `properties' can become animated within one's self as well,
                    > our collective soul fabric. As anthroposophists, we do wish, in the
                    > least, to offer ourselves as open windows through which Angelic
                    beings
                    > may access and influence our earthly world…
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Your last sentence `Before it may turn too late' seems to
                    > express great urgency. But we do find through studying spiritual
                    > science that humankind's earthly and for that matter heavenly lives
                    > unravel within the greatest of complexity. Taking this into
                    > consideration, your sentence could be still be seen as a call
                    `from
                    > the starting line' to finally wake up, get up and get moving.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Rudolf Steiner often addressed his attendees with deep heart
                    forces and
                    > within their echo (our individual reading), we should still be
                    able to
                    > recognize a call for great and reverent patience. And through truly
                    > knowing this patience, we may all come to know what actions are
                    > already ongoing through Anthroposophia' s earthly presence and how
                    we are
                    > presently taking part in them.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > This is just one of the humble ways to approach your objections.
                    C.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, Gloria <gloriabjork@ > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Simply put, I see too much complacency in North American's
                    culture.
                    > Steiner may have said it in a more digestible form, but at the
                    moment
                    > there is no longer a division in terms of space or distance, since
                    > things (and thoughts) have tended to become pretty much global.
                    You only
                    > need to go to any interesting city of Europe in the summer, and
                    watch
                    > the herds of North American tourists wandering up and down the
                    roads. It
                    > is apparent that the exchanges have become more overt, and so the
                    giving
                    > and taking. Under the current conditions of globalization,
                    outsourcing,
                    > offshoring and the like, it is frankly unpardonable that we should
                    > utilize the perception of Steiner - who lived in the century
                    before the
                    > last - as a measure to redefine the current necessity for
                    awakening that
                    > underlies the cultural stupor that the American peoples are going
                    > through. Before it may turn too late.
                    > >
                    > > Regards,
                    > >
                    > > -Gloria
                    > >
                    > > carol organicethics@ wrote:
                    > > "this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the
                    > beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany
                    anthroposophy
                    > succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people
                    make it
                    > be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is
                    just
                    > consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to
                    > mankind…"
                    > >
                    > > I believe that a need has revealed itself to recognize in the
                    most
                    > sympathetic manner, the major (albeit intimate) spiritual
                    differences
                    > between various peoples distributed throughout the world. This
                    area of
                    > study is ongoing for me, as are so many other areas of study…
                    > >
                    > > From what I know through my own `experience' and from what I see
                    > around me, North Americans do not seem to naturally possess the
                    same
                    > spiritual constitution and solid, steadfast understanding which
                    can be
                    > seen, to varying degrees, underlying individualities from the
                    Middle
                    > part of Europe. Nor do Eastern Europeans seem to carry about them
                    this
                    > same inner constitution.
                    > >
                    > > Rudolf Steiner differentiated these natural forming underlying
                    > constitutions in somewhat of the following.
                    > >
                    > > In North Americans, knowledge of spirit surfaces in an
                    instinctive
                    > manner, in Middle Europe it does so in an intellectual manner and
                    in
                    > Eastern Europe it does so through an inspirational pathway. This is
                    > somewhat of a barren overview, but when observation allows these
                    > fundamental distinctions to fill with content, not only does it
                    permit
                    > the possibility for developing warmer rapports with others carrying
                    > about them something of a `difference' , but it also opens the way
                    for
                    > allowing one the possibility of conceiving of how, when all these
                    forces
                    > work together under a Michaelmic influence, they exist as the
                    moving
                    > forces which humanity uses to advance forward in time, while
                    ensuring
                    > harmony with the `life bearing' Spiritual ones of this world and
                    beyond
                    > it.
                    > >
                    > > I visualized these differences in the following manner: The North
                    > American carries his/her spirit forces deep in his pocket (ready
                    to be
                    > grabbed and used at any decisive moment), the middle European
                    wears them
                    > as his/her warm, securing vest and the Slavic sees them on the
                    path set
                    > before him and under his feet, leading him/her forward in time,
                    along
                    > with the rest of humanity, into a more spiritualized future.
                    > >
                    > > Rudolf Steiner indicated that the Middle European, through his
                    > capacity of intellectually interpreting Spirit, could be brought
                    to act
                    > as the bridging (directional? ) force between the East and the
                    West. (?)
                    > This would seem possible since neither the East nor the West seem
                    to
                    > intrinsically possess natural forming, solid (full body)
                    capabilities in
                    > this/their common domain, even when they engage themselves in
                    > Anthroposophical studies.
                    > >
                    > > And stepping out of theory, how and where does this play itself
                    out?
                    > >
                    > > The extract of the lecture which Bradford brought forth gives a
                    clue.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > "But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always
                    forms
                    > — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the will
                    > — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the same
                    > position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as this.
                    Above
                    > all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in you…
                    > >
                    > > …In every man there dwells, underground, as it were, the "other"
                    > man. In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who
                    always
                    > makes up his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next
                    time,
                    > so that always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the
                    intention,
                    > the unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a
                    similar
                    > occasion
                    > > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention
                    become a
                    > resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and the
                    > resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the
                    Spirit-Man,
                    > the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-
                    Self.
                    > http://wn.rsarchive .org/Lectures/ StudyMan/ 19190825a01. html
                    > > PS. I gave it a good try! C.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, Gloria gloriabjork@ wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > this is all very philosophical, but... the balance between the
                    > beliefs and action is not really met here. See, in Germany
                    anthroposophy
                    > succeeds - as much as in the rest of Europe, because the people
                    make it
                    > be successful. Whereas this I see in the capitalistic society is
                    just
                    > consumption and not really contribution, neither to culture nor to
                    > mankind. However, one can no longer say that it is the way it is,
                    not
                    > being what it should be. Possibly man is attributing to Ahriman
                    much of
                    > the load that man alone is creating, and neglecting.
                    > > > -Gloria
                    > > >
                    > > > holderlin66 holderlin66@ wrote:
                    > > > Carol, thank you for your clarity in your response to Gloria.
                    And
                    > thanks Gloria for standing with a flashlight in the dark. We all
                    miss
                    > the Christian Community and we are all hardly strong enough to
                    keep our
                    > cognitive balance daily when we are usually standing as 1 in
                    10,000.
                    > Alex Jones comes into my restaurant in Austin Texas frequently and
                    from
                    > his base in Austin Texas the whole context of the Fabrication of
                    terror
                    > and False flags are richly explored by him.
                    > > > Ron Paul the current hopeless candidate for President in the
                    current
                    > debached and deceptive big money nightmare of American politics.
                    Ron
                    > Paul is hopeless because of the problems that Carol, Gloria, Steve
                    and
                    > so many others have richly and intelligently described. Hopeless
                    because
                    > big media and money want only certain players to play the game
                    that will
                    > sustain the immense Ahrimanic deception going on in the shadow
                    instincts
                    > of humanity. Humanity finds itself sinking in the Ahrimanic
                    imaginations
                    > and machinations of cultural Ahrimanic deceptions with no sense of
                    > struggle or fight. We truly stand, in the Michael School, to make
                    the
                    > obvious clear, that true common sensehood and humanity,
                    specifically our
                    > children, are not swallowed Jona like into the numbing maw of
                    Ahrimanic
                    > complacency.
                    > > > To stand upon the Ahrimanic ground under our feet, the
                    > Representative of Humanity was carved by Steiner to show the ground
                    > beneath our feetthat is riddled with deception that the common
                    thinking
                    > human cannot get a fix on because of the massive educational
                    deceptions
                    > and corporate lies that the human soul is unable to orientate
                    themselves
                    > against. Nor turn Ahrimanic thinking right around to Michael
                    thinking.
                    > > > The Representative of Humanity that STeiner carved also has a
                    heady
                    > ceiling, a sistine chapel for each soul and every soul has wishes
                    and
                    > desires floating on the ceiling or swarming and hunting in the
                    depths.
                    > That Sistine ceiling above us is our chapel our own Luciferic
                    intentions
                    > motives, and fantasies that fall in various regions of Sentient
                    Soul or
                    > Intellectual Soul or shrunken and limited Consciousness Soul, limp
                    > dimensions which, of those, of course The Geneva Conventions, brush
                    > against the Angelic region of how each human being is a holy
                    replication
                    > of one of their progressive species in time. That what we hold
                    sacred
                    > before us is the mighty manifestation of an incarnation chiseled
                    and
                    > molded for use in a stretch of karmic time and higher soul
                    teaching and
                    > instruction.
                    > > > Here we stand before a human being, a riddle, loaded with
                    ancient
                    > history and Karma and we carry a collective unconscious, untapped
                    memory
                    > field rooted in our Etheric and Astral integrations and co-
                    designed by
                    > the Angels and The Lord of Karma Himself/Herself. ... But we hardly
                    > rebuild our grasp of looking at the Representative of Humanity and
                    > understanding that the grounds we walk on are the bubbling,
                    thrusting
                    > imaginations, stalagmite like mineral deposit (speleothem) which
                    > projects upwards from a cave floor, are riddled with media
                    imaginations
                    > and a humanity without a compass as to how the human i am proceeds
                    > through this new realm of Michael/ahriman cognition.
                    > > > We hardly take the Imagination of the Michael and Christic
                    Human
                    > Soul raying forth the clarification of Michael Intelligence that
                    presses
                    > the Ahrimanic Imaginations under our feet with enough seriousness
                    to
                    > steer our self-inflicted numbness and deliberate dumbness of soul.
                    > Humanity, aside from a weakened Michael School, which should be
                    able to
                    > keep the pathways open for Cosmic Intelligence and Human
                    Intelligence to
                    > walk or stride forward as the mighty statue strides through Earth
                    time,
                    > stumbles rather than strides. But how you describe that we are
                    wading
                    > through upthrusting stalagmite like imaginations that numb
                    thinking and
                    > education all through the entire compromised and dishonest system
                    we
                    > drag our children through is really a huffing and puffing effort,
                    when
                    > it is far easier to have little tea parties herbal teas.
                    > > > This hardly dismisses the idea that overhead in each individual
                    > there is a unique sistine chapel ceiling of dynamic emotional
                    forces
                    > that swirl and conform themselves to our subjective wishes. And we
                    wish
                    > and our wish and our motives flood our souls. And through Spiritual
                    > Science we can track wish, desire and motive through the deeper
                    layers
                    > of Sentient, Intellectual and Consciousness Soul sub-system
                    dynamics in
                    > the soul workings of the human being. Steiner in his Study of Man
                    > refutes the church's egotistic system of repentance. Rather
                    resolution
                    > and feeling rather that whatever we do, we carry the striving that
                    we
                    > really could have done it better. None of us have ever really done
                    much
                    > of anything great, right or improved so much as in inch of the
                    world....
                    > at least that is the foundation of healthy human soul humility.
                    But the
                    > Church lamed and lied and mis-fed egotistic impulses that are not
                    native
                    > to the deeper recessess of our i am. Our karma offers opportunity
                    to
                    > > > do it right again therefore the quick fix of absolution and
                    > repentance that the church has offered as well as money to buy off
                    the
                    > guilt of kamaloca has helped to shift the forces of the soul away
                    from
                    > the inner healthy truth of the moral i am.
                    > > > Absolution is an integral part of the sacrament of penance and
                    > reconciliation. The penitent makes a sacramental confession of all
                    > mortal sins to a priest and prays an act of contrition. The priest
                    then
                    > assigns a penance and offers absolution in the name of the
                    Trinity, on
                    > behalf of the Church:
                    > > > R. S. Study of Man
                    > > > http://wn.rsarchive .org/Lectures/ StudyMan/ 19190825a01. html
                    > > > "....You can, e.g., have the following idea: something I
                    wished to
                    > do, or did, was good; or you can have some other idea; but that is
                    not
                    > what I mean. I mean something that can be faintly heard beneath the
                    > impulse of will, but which is still of the nature of will. There is
                    > something which always works in the will when we have motives;
                    that is,
                    > the wish. I do not now mean the strongly developed wishes out of
                    which
                    > the desires are formed, but an undercurrent of wishes that
                    accompany all
                    > our motives. They are always present. We perceive this wishing
                    > particularly clearly when we carry out something which arises out
                    of a
                    > motive in our will, and then we think it over and say to
                    ourselves; what
                    > you did then you could do much better. But what is there we do in
                    life,
                    > without a feeling that we could have done it better? It would be
                    sad if
                    > we were completely contented with anything, for there is nothing
                    which
                    > we could not do better still. And this is where we see the
                    difference
                    > > > between a man who is somewhat more civilised and one who is
                    not so
                    > advanced, for the latter always has the tendency to be satisfied
                    with
                    > himself. The more advanced man never wants to be so thoroughly
                    satisfied
                    > with himself because he has always in him the soft undertone of a
                    wish
                    > to do better, even to do differently. There is much sinning in this
                    > domain. Men regard it as a tremendously noble thing to repent of a
                    deed;
                    > but that is not the best that can be done with a deed; for often
                    > repentance is based upon sheer egoism: one would like to have done
                    > something better in order to be a better man. That is egoistic. Our
                    > efforts will only cease to be egoistic when we do not wish to have
                    done
                    > a thing better than we have done it, but consider it far more
                    important
                    > to do the same thing better next time. The intention which a man
                    has is
                    > the more important thing, not the repentance — the endeavour to do
                    > the same thing on another occasion. And in this intention wish
                    sounds as
                    > an
                    > > > undertone; so that we may well ask the question: What is this
                    > undertone of wish which accompanies our intention? For anyone who
                    can
                    > really observe the soul this wish is the first element of all that
                    > remains over after death. It is something of this remainder which
                    we
                    > feel when we say: we ought to have done it better: we wish we had
                    done
                    > it better. In the wish, in the form in which I have described it
                    to you,
                    > we have something which belongs to the Spirit-Self.
                    > > > Now the wish can become more concrete, it can take on a clearer
                    > form, Then it becomes similar to an intention. Then there is
                    formed a
                    > kind of mental picture of how a thing would be done better if it
                    had to
                    > be done again. I do not, however, lay the greatest stress on the
                    mental
                    > picture, but on the feeling and the will elements which accompany
                    each
                    > motive, the intention to do a thing better in a similar case. Here
                    the
                    > so-called sub-conscious in man plays a prominent part. If in your
                    > ordinary consciousness to-day you perform an action out of your own
                    > will, you do not necessarily make an idea in your mind of how you
                    will
                    > do it. But the other man living in you, the "second" man, he always
                    > forms — not indeed as a mental picture, but in the region of the
                    > will — a clear picture of how he would act if he were again in the
                    > same position. Be sure you do not undervalue such knowledge as
                    this.
                    > Above all do not fail to appreciate this second man who lives in
                    you.
                    > > >
                    > > > That so-called scientific line of thought which calls itself
                    > analytical psychology, "psycho-analysis, " talks a lot of nonsense
                    about
                    > this "second man." This psycho-analysis usually starts from the
                    > following classic example in setting forth its principles. I have
                    > already told you this story, but it is good to call it to mind
                    again. It
                    > is as follows: A man gives an evening party at his house, and it is
                    > known that, immediately after the party is over, the lady of the
                    house
                    > is going away to a Spa. There are at the party various people,
                    among
                    > them a lady. The party is given. The lady of the house is taken to
                    the
                    > train that she may travel to the Spa. The rest of the party leaves
                    and
                    > with them the lady already mentioned. She, with the other members
                    of the
                    > party, is overtaken at a crossroads by a carriage which, coming
                    round a
                    > corner from another street, is not seen until it is quite close.
                    What do
                    > the people coming from the party do? Of course they avoid the
                    carriage
                    > by going
                    > > > right and left, with the exception of the lady. She runs as
                    fast as
                    > she can in front of the horses dawn the middle of the street. The
                    > coachman does not stop and the rest of the party are terrified.
                    But the
                    > lady runs so fast that the others cannot follow her, and she runs
                    until
                    > she comes to a bridge. And even then it does not occur to her to
                    get out
                    > of the way. She falls into the water, but she is saved and brought
                    back
                    > to her late host's house. And there she is able to spend the night.
                    > > >
                    > > > You find this as an example in many works on psychoanalysis.
                    But
                    > something in it is always falsely interpreted. For the question
                    is: what
                    > was at the back of this whole incident? The will of the lady. What
                    did
                    > she really want to do? She wanted to return to her host's house as
                    soon
                    > as his wife had gone away, for she was in love with him. This,
                    however,
                    > was not a conscious wish, but something which had its seat in the
                    > sub-conscious. And this sub-consciousness of the second man,
                    within us,
                    > is often much more shrewd than a man is in his upper
                    consciousness. So
                    > clever was the sub-conscious in this case that the lady arranged
                    the
                    > whole proceeding up to the moment in which she fell into the water
                    in
                    > order to be able to return to her host's house. In fact she saw
                    > prophetically that she would be saved. Psycho-analysis tries to
                    get at
                    > these hidden soul forces, but it only speaks in general of
                    a "second
                    > man." But we are able to know that there does exist in every man
                    what is
                    > at
                    > > > work in the subconscious soul forces, and that it often shows
                    itself
                    > to be extraordinarily clever, much cleverer than the ordinary
                    activity
                    > of the soul.
                    > > >
                    > > > In every man there dwells, underground, as it were,
                    the "other" man.
                    > In this other man there lives also the "better" man, who always
                    makes up
                    > his mind, when he has done a thing, to do it better next time, so
                    that
                    > always, as an undertone to every deed, there is the intention, the
                    > unconscious, subconscious intention to do it better when a similar
                    > occasion
                    > > >
                    > > > Not until the soul is freed from the body does this intention
                    become
                    > a resolution. This intention remains like a seed in the soul, and
                    the
                    > resolution follows later. The resolution has its seat in the
                    Spirit-Man,
                    > the intention in the Life-Spirit and the pure wish in the Spirit-
                    Self.
                    > When you then consider man as a being of Will you can find all
                    these
                    > component parts in him: instinct, impulse, desire and motive, and
                    then,
                    > playing in as a gentle accompaniment: wish, intention and
                    resolution
                    > which are already living in Spirit-Self, Life-Spirit, and Spirit-
                    Man
                    > > >
                    > > > This has a great significance in the development of the human
                    being.
                    > For what is thus present under the surface, waiting for the time
                    after
                    > death, is expressed in man in image form between birth and death.
                    We
                    > describe it there in the same words. We experience wish, intention
                    and
                    > resolution through our mental picturing. But we shall only
                    experience
                    > wish, intention, resolution as they accord with true manhood when
                    these
                    > things are developed and nurtured in the right manner. What wish,
                    > intention and resolution really are in deeper human nature, does
                    not
                    > appear in the external man between birth and death. Images of them
                    > appear in the life of mental pictures. If you only develop ordinary
                    > consciousness you know nothing at all of what "wish" is."
                    > > > Bradford concludes;
                    > > > The Second Man within us, and the nature of the icy motives, of
                    > Ahriman vs the true motives of the higher human core.... not
                    discounting
                    > as well our general luciferic cravings, reveal the pivot between
                    the
                    > cunning and clever misleading of our shadow double and that which
                    > contains the magnificent cogntive grasp of dynamic forces that
                    stirs in
                    > our depths as Spirit-Selves, our Life-Spirits and our Spirit-Man.
                    In
                    > these depths unique forces of the Etheric Christ surface sometimes
                    a
                    > picture of how some karmic event might take shape and resolve
                    itself in
                    > the future... And our stunned karmic i am sees how this deep
                    picture has
                    > issued up from the depths of our being, to resolve some karmic
                    error, or
                    > failed and damaging event. But humans without a conscience or
                    merely an
                    > Ahrimanic shell, will dismiss this haunting vision and what will
                    ensue
                    > are nervous tics and nervous pyschic conditions that are then
                    numbed
                    > even further and distorted through medical abuses.
                    > > > But also we are together surrounded by humanity with tangled,
                    > festering and icy motives, gleeful lusts and avarice directed
                    selfish
                    > designs with no grasp of how these instincts and motives move
                    through
                    > our will or what soul terrain of Devachan holiness or nightmare we
                    > apparently strike from. Even if what moves through our will as
                    previous
                    > incarnations tendencies that now attract the instinctive soul to
                    > political and ahrimanic deceptions we won't, don't and are afraid
                    to
                    > examine our motives and instincts .. Afraid to bring the clarity of
                    > common sense and decency into how we address and treat other human
                    > spirits that are standing side by side with us on our destiny
                    paths.
                    > Because if we do, we enter the sweet complexities of the Michael
                    School
                    > and the layers of soul and real beings that are bent on
                    imprisoning us
                    > in our deceptions. NICE!
                    > > > Knowing the nature of some of the regions of the soul where icy
                    > lies, deceptions and torture, war and human egotism have been fed
                    to the
                    > point of bloating and repressing common sense and supporting war
                    > mongering traitors, false flag deceptions, and schools to promote
                    such
                    > attitudes puts us in the target line of MSM, Main Stream Media, the
                    > military industrial arm of bio-weaponry, torture and fully
                    destructive
                    > concepts in education and medical science that promote and further
                    the
                    > For Profit deception of human frivolity in the face of mass
                    murder. It
                    > also is a juicy opportunity in The Fifth Epoch to gain schooling by
                    > seeing, understanding and navigating the deceptions that are
                    thrown at
                    > us.
                    > > > For even now, because of these pre-emptive wars, we drive our
                    cars
                    > on gas guzzling murder, we go to the grocery and the mall on
                    companies
                    > that are thriving on murder, thriving on our jobs being required
                    and us
                    > going to our job on the back of gasoline prices and world karma.
                    Evil
                    > Ahrimanic decisions that have placed us as guilty of failure to
                    stop the
                    > monsters from growing. No effort to create wholly different energy
                    > efficient autos is seriously considered and boycott and refusal to
                    > support idiots in office numbs the complacent intellect, but rather
                    > super power, false flag, media driven murder of our fellow human
                    beings
                    > by our own high ranking officials in order to blame it on some
                    group....
                    > Jews or Arabs, it makes no difference!
                    > > > The lie is deeply rooted in the tangle of human instincts and
                    too
                    > awful or honest for the chicken meely mouthed christian to wrestle
                    with.
                    > The deception and the fallacies find root in the darkened
                    instinctual
                    > double and bypasses our human thinking that is now able to see,
                    with
                    > Michael Intelligence into the motives of Ahriman or for the few
                    who try
                    > to see, also into the higher regions of the new Consciousness Soul
                    > frontiers of human ethics and warm Christic heart striving. And
                    far too
                    > slowly, such films like Vendetta and imaginations trickle into the
                    soul
                    > as Entertainment instead of preliminary schooling with spiritual
                    depth
                    > and honesty behind them. We are in the midst of Fifth Epoch Michael
                    > Schooling and discernment and we are wading through wonderful
                    examples
                    > of Ahrimanic and Luciferic imaginations as well as challenges to
                    > transform these impulses to ever deeper roots of thinking within
                    us. To
                    > see the inverted Ahrimanic images and like an inverted image
                    reverse it
                    > > > and set it properly within our higher human striving against
                    the
                    > inverted image and the inverted logic that humanity wants to adapt
                    as
                    > normal tendencies.
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                  • Stephen Hale
                    ... direct addressing of the situation. Instead, the pushing away the problems on the faults of Ahriman and his buddies, makes me feel angry and undone.
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                      --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, Gloria <gloriabjork@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Steve, thank you for the clear response. I was missing such
                      direct addressing of the situation. Instead, the pushing away the
                      problems on the faults of Ahriman and his buddies, makes me feel
                      angry and undone. English is a good language to communicate. But,
                      often I feel that it is also a trap. For some reason, anthroposophy
                      in German or in Swedish, even in French, feels less stressful. I
                      just dropped another anthroposophic discussion online, because I
                      couldn't take the contemption that seems to overwhelm the discourses
                      people share. Possibly, anthroposophy is only possible to exist as a
                      healthy discipline of thought and living, when applied to a
                      socialist society in which so many of the agonies and horrors of the
                      consumer's marketsystem won't survive. I may be biased, but in
                      America, anthroposophy feels like a consumer's good, like going to
                      IKEA or buying for the newest electric appliance. It feels very
                      hollow. But, I am an outsider and a foreigner. -Gloria

                      Well yes, if you received contemption it was probably on an
                      americanist forum for anthroposophy in the spirit of america. But
                      here's the important reminder: The buildings were destroyed not by
                      any Jihadist war on America or Israel, but by clever soradists out
                      of America itself, with their own agenda.

                      I was on a forum of this kind myself, run by a phoney who called
                      himself an anarchist of the likes of Emma Goldman. Yet, in the
                      final analysis, it all boiled down to Emma Goldman; and as we all
                      know, nobody listened. She actually had to defend herself after the
                      assassination of William McKinley by saying: "so what if one fat
                      white guy dies when thousands die every day suffering and starving
                      to death".

                      But here's the paradox: McKinley was a good guy; for the people all
                      the way. One of the few; a Christian who suffered big time. Look
                      it up. Goldman was looking more globally to the overall Illuminati
                      itself, which Mckinley was not. No, his hand was forced by Teddy
                      Rex.

                      Steve
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