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  • holderlin66
    Carol edited and inquired; (shere should be sheer) Would you be so kind as to use some patience and explaining this sentence, and as well the term: PAASS.
    Message 1 of 49 , Feb 15, 2007
      Carol edited and inquired; (shere should be sheer)

      "Would you be so kind as to use some patience and explaining this
      sentence, and as well the term: PAASS.

      "Failure to link our advanced understanding on this list to quantum
      mechanics, Physics and Heisenberg's Uncertainty, where by sheer
      thought, particles pop up where they weren't and shouldn't be, stuck
      between the action of waves and particles in primitive PERCEPT
      ADDICTED ANAL SCIENCE STUDIES...leaves us with a thought sensitive
      and soul sensitive universe that we refuse to see and build upon."

      I sounds like it could be the subject of a thesis. I imagine though
      that a new scientific illustration on how thought processes work
      could be helpful.



      " ... As indicated by the subtitle of this work —"Reflections
      Leading toward a Unification of Depth Psychology and Physics"—von
      Franz's intention with Number and Time was to continue to explore
      the ideas that had grown out of the collaboration of Jung with the
      Nobel laureate quantum physicist, Wolfgang Pauli.

      Von Franz was, despite her reticence, well positioned to take on
      this work, for she had worked closely with both men during the
      decade of their collaboration—helping each by translating passages
      from alchemical texts and working with Pauli to explore the
      symbolism of his dreams and visions that were related to his
      intellectual quest. In the course of this collaboration, which in
      its most active phase spanned the years from 1946-54, Jung and Pauli
      arrived at a set of propositions about the nature of reality that
      mark a fundamental departure from the tenets of the world view of
      modern science that has prevailed since Descartes.

      Jung and Pauli came to hold that the realm of mind, psyche, and the
      realm of matter, physis, are complementary aspects of the same
      transcendental reality, the unus mundus. They asserted that
      archetypes act as the fundamental dynamical patterns whose various
      representations characterize all processes, whether mental or
      physical. In the realm of psyche, archetypes organize images and
      ideas; in the realm of physis, they organize the structure and
      transformations of matter and energy and account for acausal
      orderedness, as well. Furthermore, archetypes acting simultaneously
      in both the realms of psyche and physis were held to account for
      instances of synchronistic phenomena. "

      Bradford comments;

      Well sweet Carol alot of things would be helpful. I'm not in the
      second phase of the Michael period to re-invent the wheel. Actually
      the luck of it all is, when fresh research is presented, it is
      presented here by me in its rough form. It isn't that we can't or
      won't present some intellectually satisfying system for the
      struggling Anthro or student, it is rather that souls who have any
      capacity for intuitive thinking, are given everything but road maps
      to system changing, thought provoking insights...

      It is well worth a thesis to see bridged and connected in the world
      of reality what people go limp over and retreat somewhere in their
      soul life where reality won't intrude and where pacification of
      education soothes the anxiety of the soul back into slumber.

      Nobel laureate in quantum physics, Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Gustav
      Jung finally saw something where the whole foundation of
      Heisenberg's very solid Uncertainty theory stands, rests on particle
      chasing and how particles appear where U looked and reappear again
      as if by magic when you think in another direction. Jung, Steiner,
      Bradford, and all of those who have a grasp over spiritual science
      realize that intimate soul lessons, intimate sychronistic events
      that appear as observations that match the inner content of the
      immediate thought of a soul, have appeared to Jung and have appeared
      to Bradford and have appeared to any student of spiritual science
      that recognizes an uncannniness....and this sensitive thought field,
      membrane that adheres in the intimate relation of inner thought and
      sometimes uncanny sychronistic events....forces one cardinal rule
      out into the open.

      No one, No one is out of the system, no matter how much they rebel
      against the membrane. Cheney may have a bad heart to match the very
      problem that he has with the heart of the world...I think about
      purchasing a pipe and as I walk out the door of my bank, a man, so
      rare these days, a man walks in front of me smoking an amazing pipe.

      I have already indicated, ever so quickly and briefly that people
      and students I have had, people who come to my restaurant or
      students I have had in classes... I found it cryptically fascinating
      to see how two people who had not consciously known they were going
      to have lunch, two friends, two people meeting, find that the
      outfits and color schemes they are wearing match with utter
      precision for a lunch that was by chance unplanned. Spontaneous!

      Now of course nobody comments about such tiny Sychronistic and
      apparently spontaneous events, so seemingly unimportant, but they
      happen by the billions daily to everyone. They happen in sometimes
      some of the most unique comic and sometimes the most extremely
      tragic apparent coincidences. There are no accidents or
      coincidences, it is learning to read the script, feel the script and
      understand the script as we write it and as a dialogue is opened up
      between our intimate selves and the world.

      That is one of the most important points. That there is this
      intimate dialogue between ourselves and the world. There is an
      intimate bridge between the subjective and hidden field of thought
      and the strange reflections of what we carry that are thrown back up
      at us from the world. Jung first announced his recognition of
      Sychronicity by understanding that while his patient was describing
      a dream of a scarob, a scarob flew in through the open window on
      cue. I put away such things as Tarot cards and the I Ching book of
      changes and found myself in dialogue and intimate sensitive universe
      that tracked my inner inclinations....and from this reading of
      instincts and intimate eye perception, of why my eye went here, and
      what made me look, what desires stirred, and the connection between
      my inner thought content and say posters, adverstisements or events
      caught by my eye... The world gave me back an accurate picture, save
      that I didn't need to remain trapped in Perception but could scale
      the world of Real thought content and Real thought beings and also
      let my Angel craft new forces for me to see with.

      At this point I began to see through and into students and etheric
      fields and understood lunar changes as one can feel different chords
      of music flow through one at different changes of the moon. PERCEPT
      ADDICTED ANAL SCIENCE STUDIES or PAASS are part of the quantum
      mechanics of the colliders, the dog chasing its tail or scientists
      chasing particles because they can't grasp the intimacy that both
      Jung, Pauli, Bradford and any student of spiritual studies should
      initially sense. Instead...

      "As surfers ride the waves along the coastline of southern
      Californian, scientists nearby are creating waves of a different
      sort. Their waves are formed in high temperature plasmas and the
      charged particles that surf on them approach the speed of light. The
      technique, researchers say, could lead to a new generation of
      smaller and more powerful particle accelerators than the giant
      machines running today.

      "The largest accelerators are tens of kilometres long. The world's
      longest, at the particle physics laboratory at CERN near Geneva, is
      circular and measures 27 kilometres round. And the Superconducting
      Supercollider would have been 87 kilometres in circumference, if it
      had been built in the US. Why so big? Accelerators work on the
      principle that charged particles speed up in an electric field. The
      stronger and longer the field, the more energy it can pass to a

      This is the human answer to standing there staring at a thesis. But
      still the mathematical field of quantum mechanics that Wolfgang
      Pauli saw in relation to Jung places the human researcher or the
      human individual, either scientist or growing child, in a sensitive,
      a thought sensitive universe. And there is the problem. We get stuck
      in waves and particles....how about beings and the sensitive and
      intuitive dialogue taking place constantly between our inner calm or
      our fluctuating disorganized desire and instincts. We are a central
      cell phone emitting a constant and fluctuating signal. Our higher
      being, the Angel in our surrounding world, our accidents, that are
      not accidents and our moments of destiny that were mostly prepared
      unfoldments, suddenly intersect and we look back at the windows to
      what led up to those moments. But what if we get beyond that and
      already learn to live with the reality of Time and learn vaster
      rhtyms within the smaller rhythms of biographical systems or soul
      field navigation where we steer ourselves out of sentient soul traps
      because we recognized our own patterns of behavior.

      One can read how trees bent in homage to the birth of Buddha. Or how
      animals responded peacefully to St. Francis..A sensitive biting
      intimacy is in the universe. Take for instance the wife of Pilot as
      Christ is on trial and Pilot is faced with the most perplexing
      cosmic dilemma of humanity. Pilot's wife, in a Jungian display of
      SHEER synchronicity, sends Pilot a note about a most disturbing
      dream she has had about this Jesus fellow. How Jungian, how actual
      and how earth shattering a moment where two system worlds are
      colliding. But we fail to think with up to date or fresh thoughts on
      the subject.

      What I want is that the lumbering thought molasses that we seem to
      enjoy grasps clearly the sychronistic fact of how two madmen in a
      cemetary knew that the Christ was before them...and someone might
      say, Oh look, see those swine, they just ran over a cliff....any
      connection? There are a lot of intimate connections and part of
      those intimate connections force upon us the research that we
      presented some time ago, that supports Steiner in understanding that
      the Sun Being, for a Time the Zodiac was an on sight road show, live
      from Golgotha. Christ, if you could locate his active movements and
      nail him down, was the active Sun being in an actual geographic
      location that solved events on the spot, which normally required
      karmic changes and death, disease or instant super charged

      You see if we begin to see the intimacy of our daily dialogue with
      our soul and the world and science gets on the same page in their
      pathology of chasing particles or waves or quantum packets....we
      begin to grasp that we are living in a sensitive universe.

      Sheer accident or Sychronistic stylistic imaginations? The little
      girl who was so depressed over her father's death, her sensitive
      grandmother suggests they send a little message up to heaven, via a
      little mermaid balloon they purchase. They live in California and
      the Mermaid balloon lands in mermaid lake in Mermaid, Canada having
      flown 5,000 miles. A boater picks it up, reads the letter from the
      little girl in California and sends her a little mermaid book. From
      that time on a sensitive, actual karmic connection exists between
      the girl as she grew up and family in Canada. Go figure!

      PAASS....stubborn particle chasing, pathological perception freaks
      who by their attitude think they can cut themselves off, off from
      the morally real world...where such results as the hydrogen bomb and
      atomic bomb and other corporate or military industrial hardware
      become immoral, disconnected weapons and instruments that are made
      from those pathological percept chasers who constantly seek to
      disconnect themselves from the whole sensitivity of the world.

      That is why we look at the disturbed heart condition of Dick Cheney
      and we understand the disturbed condition of his heart in relation
      to the heart of the world.
    • Carol
      Steiner not only got it, prepared it, presented it in the calm center of a world in absolute crushing WW s crisis but expected the Michael School would be
      Message 49 of 49 , Feb 27, 2007

        “Steiner not only got it, prepared it, presented it in the calm center of a world in absolute crushing WW's crisis but expected theMichael School would be able to put the puzzle pieces together and learn to stand up against those who abuse the term critical mass and those who diminish the term Intelligent Design. The mystery streams prepared humanity to grasp the mighty effects of the rise of the Etheric Christ Sun, bringing to the gods the unfolding magnificent seed of Spirit Man wrought in the tragic matrix of Golgotha .”


        But the Mystery streams still keep flowing at full tilt. Steiner took well to his part in all this,   in a magnificent way,  which has me thoroughly and continuously marveling.  And so in a more recent time segment of our humanity’s evolution,  Marie-Louise von Franz, Pauli and little M. Holderlin have dreamed of discovering “the psychological equivalence of the atomic bomb”.  All in good time. (I’m glad you reiterated enough times for me to catch it!).


        I have recently enjoyed forming new concepts which I'm able to do through studying some of the principal spiritual events which occurred during the various earthly/ planetary incarnations. These concepts which I have been able to grasp visually and imaginatively, have allowed me to apply  more appropriate configurations towards  deciphering the life of my inner self; it just so happens that these thought images which I transpose onto my own inner human nature in full realism,  take their reference from events which have occurred outside of my ever present physical reality.


        I am  becoming more pliable to take into myself the formative forces which spiritual science wishes to bring forward into the human realm of clear consciousness, and ones which themselves,  work in unison with the evolutionary spiritual forces active in and around me,  at the moment.


        Reiterated from: Evolution in the Aspect of Realities, 6 lectures from GA #132


        “Since a multitude of sub layers of the soul manage to rise to the surface as does a desire for something which could not previously be grasped, Spiritual science has come in response to this-    ‘nostalgia’ in appearance which emerges from the depths of the soul.  One shouldn’t be too surprised therefore (since all that occurs in the world has it’s antecedent) that spiritual knowledge has come to appease this need, as a soul faculty. “


        “The mystery streams prepared humanity to grasp the mighty effects of the rise of the Etheric Christ Sun..”


        I would more likely say that it’s a magnificent, spread out, natural convergence,  in the happening,  though to get this view, you probably have to be 'watching'  from up close…



        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:32 AM
        Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: Karl Jung

        „The Psychological Equivalent to the Atomic Bomb".

        "The Heisenberg principle states that that which is being observed
        changes just by peing observed. Physicist Heisenberg made note of
        this phenomenon in regard to say, atoms being observed by photons;
        but its application is nigh universal."

        http://www.psychovi sion.ch/synw/ sealofsolomoninc arnation51. htm#51

        "....during this time Marie-Louise von Franz had a dream, in which
        she was given the task to find „the psychological equivalent to the
        atomic bomb". This is, of course, a very enigmatic challenge. The
        only hint for an interpretation of this dream is a sentence in a
        later letter to her, in which he connects this dream with some of
        his own ones he dreamt during the year 1954. They deal with the
        isolation of a radioactive isotope in a secret laboratory, of which
        Pauli does not know anything at all!

        " These dreams are of decisive importance for the extraction of the
        meaning of a future task I will later call "the observation of inner
        radioactivity" . Here, we will only notice that this challenge seems
        to be connected with the Seal of Solomon, which is itself, as we
        have seen (in 4.3.1), a symbol of the subtle intermediate realm, the
        unus mundus (which we later will call the psyche in its generalized

        "In the context of this dream of the psychological equivalence of
        the atomic bomb, Pauli mentions the fact that in his dreams of the
        last years the light aspect of his anima, which he interprets as
        physical science, became more and more negative, in opposition to
        the dark one, which means the chthonic aspect that became more and
        more positive. As an attribute of this dark anima he mentions also
        parapsychology (and biology). Then he writes:

        "Was das Unbewusste kompensatiorisch zum `Zeitgeist' ... - zu dem
        auch die Atombombe gehört - von uns verlangt, ist ein Spiegelbild
        der Assumptio Mariae nach unten: die Aufnahme chtonischer Weisheit
        aus einem tiefen, dunklen Mutterschoss in das obere männliche
        Bewusstsein. Dies könnte zu einem neuen Gleichgewicht führen
        (während das Aufhängen von Quaternitäten im Himmel mich kalt lässt)."

        English translation:

        "What the unconscious demands of us compensatory to
        the 'zeitgeist'. .. - to which also the atomic bomb belongs - , is a
        mirror image of the Assumptio Mariae to below: a reception of the
        chthonic wisdom out of a deep, dark mother's womb into the male
        consciousness. This could lead to a new balance (while the
        projection of quaternities into heaven leaves me cold)". [emphasis

        " Instead of placing a unitarian, "disinfected" matter principle
        into the spiritual realm of the Platonian Empyreum and by this
        creating an unsymmetrical quaternity in a solely spiritual realm,
        Pauli proposes now that we must look for a compensatory mirror image
        of the Assumption which contains the chthonic wisdom of the
        matriarchal realm. Of course, also this idea we must see on the
        background of his symmetrical or antinomic thinking based on the
        Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics (Niels Bohr) and
        complementarity, with the help of whose he decided "for the
        symmetrical interpretation of the opposite's pair spirit/matter" .

        Bradford sorts some of this out for sluggish reader;

        As already stated and Carol and Steve can certainly catch the drift
        of this, any of us could write a thesis. In this Phase II of the
        Michael School impulse, great, great strides and studies in far and
        extreme regions, hidden letters, and mighty shattering events were
        kept far, far and wide away from anyone putting these things
        together. Specialized branches and personality antipathies
        constantly keep insight from becoming solid. Solidity and serious
        clarity escapes most thinking souls.

        In the above Pauli and Marie-Louise von Franz, can be forgiven for
        Jung's rejection for allowing any possability of eyes even turning
        toward the direction of Spiritual Science. Jung developed an
        antipathy to Steiner and went his own way and rejected Spiritual
        Science. This has good points and shoddy rotten points to it. For
        Wolfgang Pauli and Marie-Louise von Franz were doing exactly what I
        felt I needed to do but I hadn't discovered their struggles yet.
        They had been pressed away from Steiner's Spiritual Science by Jung.
        My struggles and issues of course come years and years later, but
        theirs was in the current psychological atmosphere of events, just
        before and near my incarnation.

        When I connect the idea of Critical Mass to where we should locate
        Critical Mass in the filter of Light and Love from an absolute
        mushrooming epicenter, we must needs, there is no other way, we must
        needs trace the epi-center where human Critical Mass is installed
        and planted in the healthy framework of humanity, there is no other
        path than to connect this Critical Mass to the Transfiguration of of
        the Jesus form by Christ and the penetration of the Cosmic I AM into
        the i am of humanity. In other words, aside from Gore Vidal, from
        our perspective and Spiritual Science and the perspective of matter,
        reality and Truth, is a tale that is "Live from Golgotha".

        Marie-Louise von Franz, Pauli, Steiner and Bradford as well as
        Elizabeth Boggs found that we had to enter into a study that
        was „the psychological equivalent to the atomic bomb". Marie-Louise
        von Franz and Pauli then even were living in the pulse of the
        ZEITGEIST. The ZeitGeist we know as Michael, and the ZeitGeist
        learning experience that they felt compelled to try to understand as
        Light went deep into their inner beings and disturbed, their astral
        body brought back disturbed images into the core of their human

        "Pauli mentions the fact that in his dreams of the last years the
        light aspect of his anima, which he interprets as physical science,
        became more and more negative, in opposition to the dark one, which
        means the chthonic aspect that became more and more positive."
        Friends when we examine the critical experiences that were going on
        at the critical juncture of the dawn of the Ahrimanic nuclear Sun,
        we find that the ether blue mantle of Maria...now excuse me, the
        ether blue mantel of Maria and that which Stephen Clarke and others
        get lost in, THE CHTHONIC, dark mother earth world of symbols,
        Demeter, Persephone.. .all very rich in lore but....but.. .. You see
        at the end of Faust, the bad ending that Goethe makes to Faust, a
        failed ending, lets Faust see the Maria....not that Maria is bad or
        Maria is not part of the soul body substance... .But Jung, Pauli and
        Marie-louise von Franz and the whole underworld and very rich
        mysteries of the dark unconscious world....cheats on reality because
        it refuses to see the Imagination of Critical Mass, as the Jesus
        Being offering itself to the implosion of raw higher Light and Love
        that engulfs, guides and nearly shatters the form of Jesus, as the
        full force of the magnitude of Light rests with cosmic loving warmth
        in the seed core of the heart of Man.

        You want to understand what Pauli and Marie-Louise von Franz
        wrestled with, and what Steiner knew as the antidote to the nuclear
        age? When anyone of us defuses the mystery of the Ahrimanic nuclear
        risen Sun and finds the trail that with full physical, etheric,
        astral and I AM science leads to...it will be „the psychological
        equivalent to the atomic bomb". It is this which is exactly what the
        Christ Event, understood and delivered by Spiritual Science, ahead
        of the dangers of the Ahrimanic Sun IS to the human soul. It is for
        the healthy human soul, „the psychological equivalent to the atomic
        bomb". Only the soul doesn't know that nor does it arrive at the
        interest levels where many souls can sustain the objective
        educational features that have been presented.

        Again, we struggle with the maturity levels of seeing deeply into
        the core of recent ZeitGeist events, physics, nobel prizes,
        Oppenheimer, Truman, War with Iran, Depleted Uranium...souls
        refusing to take the step that Pauli, Franz and Steiner and Jung
        paved the way for. Not only is it incidental that Synchronicty and
        reading deeper event tracking in our daily lives has been run over
        by cell phone I.D. and giddy image transfers, it is rather that the
        signature of the Christ Being Himself or the universal Love and
        catharsis laws reveal that Elizabeth Boggs went through a real moral
        ordeal. Pauli, Jung and Franz were going through real spiritual and
        moral crisis, Truman and Oppenheimer as well as Bohrs and Heisenberg
        went through real moral crisis at the threshold of missing, „the
        psychological equivalent to the atomic bomb".

        Steiner not only got it, prepared it, presented it in the calm
        center of a world in absolute crushing WW's crisis but expected the
        Michael School would be able to put the puzzle pieces together and
        learn to stand up against those who abuse the term critical mass and
        those who diminish the term Intelligent Design. The mystery streams
        prepared humanity to grasp the mighty effects of the rise of the
        Etheric Christ Sun, bringing to the gods the unfolding magnificent
        seed of Spirit Man wrought in the tragic matrix of Golgotha.

        It is called the Mystery of Golgotha and it is truly a study how
        Light and Love is digested and becomes Critical Mass providing the
        soul lets thinking arise alongside subjective development. ...

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