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  • Cheeseandsalsa@aol.com
    What is exactly your deal? To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
    Message 1 of 16 , Feb 21, 2005
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      To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
    • Cheeseandsalsa@aol.com
      Hermit crab, what is your deal? To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
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        To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
      • Joel Wendt
        Dear Whomever, Its very simple. Those posts don t seem to have anything to do with anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
        Message 3 of 16 , Feb 22, 2005
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          Dear Whomever,

          Its very simple. Those posts don't seem to have anything to do with
          anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
          spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct. It is
          the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not seeing
          on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or even
          post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about anthroposophy.

          Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a definition
          of anthroposophy?

          crabbily yours,
          joel

          On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 23:00, Cheeseandsalsa@... wrote:
          > Hermit crab, what is your deal?
          >
          > To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
          >
          *
        • Mark Willan
          Dear Joel Long time no speak. But well said! I am getting sick of spammers even if they pretend not to be. I am with you all the way. Mark Willan 3 place des
          Message 4 of 16 , Feb 22, 2005
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            Dear Joel

            Long time no speak.

            But well said!

            I am getting sick of spammers even if they pretend not to be.

            I am with you all the way.



            Mark Willan

            3 place des Cines
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            mwillan@...
            On Feb 22, 2005, at 5:33 PM, Joel Wendt wrote:

            > Dear Whomever,
            >
            >       Its very simple.  Those posts don't seem to have anything to do
            > with
            > anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
            > spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct.  It
            > is
            > the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not
            > seeing
            > on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or
            > even
            > post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about
            > anthroposophy.
            >
            >       Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a
            > definition
            > of anthroposophy?
            >
            > crabbily yours,
            > joel
            >
            > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 23:00, Cheeseandsalsa@... wrote:
            > >                    Hermit crab, what is your deal?
            > >                                   
            > >         To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
            > >
            >   *
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          • earlyfire@earthlink.net
            Dear Joel, One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it. Anthroposophy is not a noun, it s a verb, a doing hallowed by thinking. Ergo get to be
            Message 5 of 16 , Feb 22, 2005
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              Dear Joel,

              One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it. Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by thinking.
              Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a Ph.D. writing and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual on how to extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an embryonic, sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence, Her Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face of risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence of the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the Michaelic Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one is coming to spiritual responsibility, entering the river called "Not by bread alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of laziness, of prejudice, of the attitude of "Been there, Done That", practices and perfects Anthroposophy.

              Defining presupposes it's a done deal, an inventory, an arsenal of well-husked expertise. Anthroposophy is the way in which Anthroposophia, Who indwells Processes of Intuition, (upper case!), frames Her presence in the speech and the dreams and deeds of men. Anthroposophy therefore is the aspiration to a state of 24/7 connectivity to penetrating in spheres of wisdom, inspiration and courage, reaches the threshold of the Living Macrocosm, and discerning the intent of the hierarchies in relationship to the evolution of mankind, then bringing down those healing and inspiring thoughts, gloving them in bestowed deeds upon the world and within hearts....

              The age of the Theoretical Christ, like the Libraries of Dinosaurs archived in the Tarpits, is long past, but men know it not, men desire this not to be so............

              Who knows this appreciates the terror and trembling of being a fugitive from spiritual initiatives, and lives in an unbroken circle, dreaming of turning it into a spiral, and particpating in lift. To be pregressive is to learn to come "Full Spiral". Look at your deeds in the closing act of each day, and place this imagination at the center of every Ruckschau; then add the Irish waking prayer "What is this day lucky for" to the lifting of your eyelashes at the first gleam of dawn..............

              Enough flame for now.............

              Warm regards,
              Harvey

              -----Original Message-----
              From: Joel Wendt <hermit@...>
              Sent: Feb 22, 2005 9:33 AM
              To: "anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com" <anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com>
              Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness


              Dear Whomever,

              Its very simple. Those posts don't seem to have anything to do with
              anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
              spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct. It is
              the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not seeing
              on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or even
              post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about anthroposophy.

              Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a definition
              of anthroposophy?

              crabbily yours,
              joel

              On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 23:00, Cheeseandsalsa@... wrote:
              > Hermit crab, what is your deal?
              >
              > To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
              >
              *




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            • Mark Willan
              A little less flame, and a little more downright honesty please... Mark Willan 3 place des Cines 06560 Valbonne Sophia Antipolis France Tel: +334 9296 0919
              Message 6 of 16 , Feb 22, 2005
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                A little less flame, and a little more downright honesty please...


                Mark Willan

                3 place des Cines
                06560 Valbonne Sophia Antipolis
                France

                Tel: +334 9296 0919
                Mob: +336 7320 4006
                Fax: +334 9296 9004

                mwillan@...
                On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:08 AM, earlyfire@... wrote:

                > Dear Joel,
                >
                > One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it.
                > Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by
                > thinking.
                > Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a Ph.D. writing
                > and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual on how to
                > extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an embryonic,
                > sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence, Her
                > Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face of
                > risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence of
                > the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the Michaelic
                > Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one is coming to
                > spiritual responsibility, entering the river called "Not by bread
                > alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of laziness, of prejudice,
                > of the attitude of "Been there, Done That", practices and perfects
                > Anthroposophy.
                >
                > Defining presupposes it's a done deal, an inventory, an arsenal of
                > well-husked expertise. Anthroposophy is the way in which
                > Anthroposophia, Who indwells Processes of Intuition, (upper case!),
                > frames Her presence in the speech and the dreams and deeds of men.
                > Anthroposophy therefore is the aspiration to a state of 24/7
                > connectivity to penetrating in spheres of wisdom, inspiration and
                > courage, reaches the threshold of the Living Macrocosm, and discerning
                > the intent of the hierarchies in relationship to the evolution of
                > mankind, then bringing down those healing and inspiring thoughts,
                > gloving them in bestowed deeds upon the world and within hearts....
                >
                > The age of the Theoretical Christ, like the Libraries of Dinosaurs
                > archived in the Tarpits, is long past, but men know it not, men desire
                > this not to be so............
                >
                > Who knows this appreciates the terror and trembling of being a
                > fugitive from spiritual initiatives, and lives in an unbroken circle,
                > dreaming of turning it into a spiral, and particpating in lift. To be
                > pregressive is to learn to come "Full Spiral". Look at your deeds in
                > the closing act of each day, and place this imagination at the center
                > of every Ruckschau; then add the Irish waking prayer "What is this day
                > lucky for" to the lifting of your eyelashes at the first gleam of
                > dawn.............. 
                >
                > Enough flame for now.............
                >
                > Warm regards,
                > Harvey
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Joel Wendt <hermit@...>
                > Sent: Feb 22, 2005 9:33 AM
                > To: "anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com" <anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com>
                > Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness
                >
                >
                > Dear Whomever,
                >
                >       Its very simple.  Those posts don't seem to have anything to do
                > with
                > anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
                > spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct.  It
                > is
                > the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not
                > seeing
                > on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or
                > even
                > post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about
                > anthroposophy.
                >
                >       Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a
                > definition
                > of anthroposophy?
                >
                > crabbily yours,
                > joel
                >
                > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 23:00, Cheeseandsalsa@... wrote:
                > >                    Hermit crab, what is your deal?
                > >                                   
                > >         To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
                > >
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              • Jan
                ... Enough from Harvey? Never! Here is Flame Alchemically Earlyfired, most gently potentised into healing draught of Aqua Vita. I warm my hands and go forth
                Message 7 of 16 , Feb 23, 2005
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                  >> Who knows this appreciates the terror and trembling of being a
                  >> fugitive from spiritual initiatives, and lives in an unbroken circle,
                  >> dreaming of turning it into a spiral, and particpating in lift. To be
                  >> pregressive is to learn to come "Full Spiral". Look at your deeds in
                  >> the closing act of each day, and place this imagination at the center
                  >> of every Ruckschau; then add the Irish waking prayer "What is this day
                  >> lucky for" to the lifting of your eyelashes at the first gleam of
                  >> dawn.............. 
                  >>
                  >> Enough flame for now.............
                  >>
                  >> Warm regards,
                  >> Harvey
                  >>

                  Enough from Harvey? Never! Here is Flame Alchemically Earlyfired, most
                  gently potentised into healing draught of Aqua Vita.
                  I warm my hands and go forth wondering what this Day is lucky for?

                  Love, Jan
                • Joel Wendt
                  Dear Harvey, yes, but.... Nice definition by the way.:-) love, joel p.s. I am going your way middle of March, and will warn you in advance. ... -- Joel Wendt
                  Message 8 of 16 , Feb 23, 2005
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                    Dear Harvey,

                    yes, but....

                    Nice definition by the way.:-)

                    love,
                    joel

                    p.s. I am going your way middle of March, and will warn you in advance.


                    On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 16:08, earlyfire@... wrote:
                    > Dear Joel,
                    >
                    > One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it. Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by thinking.
                    > Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a Ph.D. writing and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual on how to extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an embryonic, sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence, Her Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face of risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence of the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the Michaelic Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one is coming to spiritual responsibility, entering the river called "Not by bread alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of laziness, of prejudice, of the attitude of "Been there, Done That", practices and perfects Anthroposophy.
                    >
                    > Defining presupposes it's a done deal, an inventory, an arsenal of well-husked expertise. Anthroposophy is the way in which Anthroposophia, Who indwells Processes of Intuition, (upper case!), frames Her presence in the speech and the dreams and deeds of men. Anthroposophy therefore is the aspiration to a state of 24/7 connectivity to penetrating in spheres of wisdom, inspiration and courage, reaches the threshold of the Living Macrocosm, and discerning the intent of the hierarchies in relationship to the evolution of mankind, then bringing down those healing and inspiring thoughts, gloving them in bestowed deeds upon the world and within hearts....
                    >
                    > The age of the Theoretical Christ, like the Libraries of Dinosaurs archived in the Tarpits, is long past, but men know it not, men desire this not to be so............
                    >
                    > Who knows this appreciates the terror and trembling of being a fugitive from spiritual initiatives, and lives in an unbroken circle, dreaming of turning it into a spiral, and particpating in lift. To be pregressive is to learn to come "Full Spiral". Look at your deeds in the closing act of each day, and place this imagination at the center of every Ruckschau; then add the Irish waking prayer "What is this day lucky for" to the lifting of your eyelashes at the first gleam of dawn..............
                    >
                    > Enough flame for now.............
                    >
                    > Warm regards,
                    > Harvey
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Joel Wendt <hermit@...>
                    > Sent: Feb 22, 2005 9:33 AM
                    > To: "anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com" <anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness
                    >
                    >
                    > Dear Whomever,
                    >
                    > Its very simple. Those posts don't seem to have anything to do with
                    > anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
                    > spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct. It is
                    > the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not seeing
                    > on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or even
                    > post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about anthroposophy.
                    >
                    > Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a definition
                    > of anthroposophy?
                    >
                    > crabbily yours,
                    > joel
                    >
                    > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 23:00, Cheeseandsalsa@... wrote:
                    > > Hermit crab, what is your deal?
                    > >
                    > > To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
                    > >
                    > *
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                  • earlyfire@earthlink.net
                    Dear Mark, Thank you for reminding that flame is potentially advarsarial to the anchor of honesty. Flame, in literary and poetic domain and nuance is not
                    Message 9 of 16 , Feb 23, 2005
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                      Dear Mark,
                      Thank you for reminding that flame is potentially advarsarial to the anchor of honesty. Flame, in literary and poetic domain and nuance is not merely perceptual, but rather allegorical, and in Earlyfire's desire to invoke the overtones of this experience, to enter a realm of imaginative consciousness, brings to mind the astral qualities of eagerness, zeal, flair. Steiner himself compares the colorful peacock feathers to this realm in his description of the station of the second degree of initiation; and though imagination only reluctantly consents to allow itself to be compressed into description, it is worth noting that any aspiration to higher consciousness "looks forward to incandescence, to catharsis, to the burning away of veils, veils of vehemance, dogma, interest in formularistic compacting, and in overcrystallizing of knowledge from the river of experience.

                      Here again, Steiner, in his description of the ascent to Inspired Cognition which will enter onstage and preoccupy humanity throughout the yet-unborn-and-predestined theater of future Jupiter, forgetting, 'unholding-fast', dispossession of opinions and structures and scaffoldings of knowledge is essential, is a sine-qua-non to entering, or rather, to being invited and welcomed gracelike into the flow and swirl and rush of Macrocosmic thought which is the source of blessings and bestowals for the healing of the world, and is brought down by initiates consciously and artists often both intentionally, whether consciously or unconsciously.

                      Finally, by way of bridge-building which links the esoteric bonds 'twixt all mystery schools, an endeavor every student in Michael's School will cherish, we touch down into the ancient Kabal, particularly in the upgraded more modern consciousness-soul adaptation of Kabal which in Poland appear in the 17th century Baal-Shem-Tov's Hasidic teaching. (See Buber's "Tales of the Hasidism" to fill in your history). And so we hear of the word "Hitlahavut", literally, "the burning", which refers to the searing away of veils of ignorance and obsession with dross of desire (Steiner's term "Achamod" which pollutes purity of intention in the astral, and the essential siren-like seduction of Lucifer in Paradise). Earlier on it appears as the imagination in the Druid's Cauldron (Ceridwen). is referred to as "Hitlahavut". It was not for academic prowess that RS describes the element of warmth as having both physical and spiritual interface within the domain of human access and experience.

                      And thus our brief preface is ended. Your well taken point, is that fire, if manifested selfishly and bereft of anchor, that is to say, of grounding, responsible love, potentially can sabotage the development of the stability, the abiding moral steadfastness of the would-be initiate, to perform the Christ-Act, to retraverse the descent of the Word becoming Flesh within the individuals authored deeds. Listen to the Credo movement of Mozart's Grand Mass in C-Minor, to phenomenologically acquire first-hand experience of this descent, and hear it musically translated, and so be privy to what this anchoring looks, "steadfasting" act presences itself, not as knowledge, as in the husk of words, but rather as Living Process, as movement, i.e., as Inspired Cognition.

                      Another welcome warning now comes to mind: Steiner remarks that after death, one must carry the stabilizing Christ Impulse out into the starry worlds, to accompany Luciferic expansiveness, and that, we add, in the dialogue between illumination and modesty, in the far reaches of light and the silent holy still-water-runs-deep depths of the Christ, we experience the inbreathing and outbreathing of our celestial growth.............

                      In this respect, your polarization of flame and downright honesty, if not harmonized, participates in the ever-present challenge of balancing, of coordinating Christ and Lucifer influence, both down in the Mortal Here and beyond Cosmic Everywhere. But here, another startling realization crops into awareness: Remember also that Steiner mentions that the primary characteristic of the initiate (which we have intuitive grounds to suspect connotes fourth degree and above), is that he/she is able to participate in activities, in, - what shall we source to "describe" the first-hand experience - to participate and dialogue and to "Celestially Metabolize", the Macrocosm without numbed will, the released will which matures when, no longer drawn into a drunken stupor of desire, and desire's coagulated agenda most Ahrimanic (recall" Ahriman being the karma of Lucifer"), is free to touch and embrace the Holy, without the least trace of impulse to possess.

                      For before the labors of Jupiter can "hatch" in our awareness as a tangivle field of activity and intention and aspiration, possession will have to cease being 9/10th of the law. This tyrannical gravitylike vortex to amass and influence, to turf, so characteristic to the operation of the animal kingdom's intractable instinct, will have been divested of authority and dominion as an operative in human affairs.

                      For those who wish to carry this thought one step further, this deed, this liberation, esoterically corresponds with the reacquisition of men to photosynthesize food from light, and the freeing up of the plant kingdom from the slavery of this responsibility now necessary...........

                      Expanding this perspective, one reads in the Seven Valleys, "Knowledge is the last plane of limitation", and in Morya's teaching "Just as the leaves are the messengers of the wind, and the snow the ambassador of the cold, so also the word is the husk from the breath of a creative thought." So it begins to dawn upon us, one must eventually become downright honest and inquire what lies beyond these planes, what Living Invitation indwells, and points to and leads us via Honest FirstHand Experience beyond the corral of words and ideas?

                      Thus, though it seems perhaps altogether redundant to retrace the obvious, one must remind oneself that it is all-too-widely and tragically observed that many Anthroposophists are beholden only to the devoted embrace of second-hand knowledge, and crave, most magnetically vortexlike crave acquiring "Steiner-hand-Me-Downs" of eruditely mimic'd, of what we unmockingly refer to as imitative or "Chimp'd" Templates. As though Anthroposophy were a commodity, an acquireable asset. These are, alas those who have not yet risen to the adventure of considering what will happen by employing Steiner's magnificent and lucid and comprehensive esoteric scaffoldings in aspirations which lead to confident maturation of Imaginative, Inspired and Intuitive powers and responsibilities.

                      And so the ability to distinguish the presence of Anthroposophia (self-knowledging) from its fruits which are scaffoldings of Anthroposophy, is essential to any discussion of self-knowledge. Put another way, or so to us it seems that Anthroposophia indwells heart-space, mentoring, tutoring, inspiring consciousness which we identify as the very intent and essence of what has become known as Goethean conversation. And it is a most holy, most intimate dialogue, through which one is enabled to author first-hand out of the consciousness soul. "Conversation" Goethe mentions in connection with two interesting statements which precede it ("What's more valuable than Gold? Light. Whats more valuable than Light;more valuable than gold, and responds: "Conversation", to which we whisper, conversation is the act of uncovering, unravelling, revealing, => "bringing to light", the same we recognize as the exercise of responsible artistic license, or "Authority" (Arthur=Author).

                      As to Joel's notion that
                      Anthroposophy is
                      "Precisely not like or inclusive of all other spiritual ways,
                      but rather something very specific and distinct.", we suggest that Michaelic Activity
                      of which AP is but one echo, invites, even demands that connections between esoteric
                      language and conceptual architecture burst open the aristocratic ghetto of this exotic, stupendous vocabulary,
                      and utilizing fresh imagination build creative connections beyond the autistic isolation of its terminology,
                      and jouyously and courageously debut into the stream of the world's spiritual impulses at large.

                      Failing such gemut, it is possible to remain esoterically autistic, which is to say, to be an Anthroposophist
                      yet and not be worthy of the Michael School..........


                      Warm Regards,
                      Harvey Bornfield





                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Mark Willan <mwillan@...>
                      Sent: Feb 23, 2005 12:13 AM
                      To: anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness

                      A little less flame, and a little more downright honesty please...


                      Mark Willan

                      3 place des Cines
                      06560 Valbonne Sophia Antipolis
                      France

                      Tel: +334 9296 0919
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                      mwillan@...
                      On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:08 AM, earlyfire@... wrote:

                      > Dear Joel,
                      >
                      > One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it.
                      > Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by
                      > thinking.
                      > Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a Ph.D. writing
                      > and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual on how to
                      > extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an embryonic,
                      > sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence, Her
                      > Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face of
                      > risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence of
                      > the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the Michaelic
                      > Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one is coming to
                      > spiritual responsibility, entering the river called "Not by bread
                      > alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of laziness, of prejudice,
                      > of the attitude of "Been there, Done That", practices and perfects
                      > Anthroposophy.
                      >
                      > Defining presupposes it's a done deal, an inventory, an arsenal of
                      > well-husked expertise. Anthroposophy is the way in which
                      > Anthroposophia, Who indwells Processes of Intuition, (upper case!),
                      > frames Her presence in the speech and the dreams and deeds of men.
                      > Anthroposophy therefore is the aspiration to a state of 24/7
                      > connectivity to penetrating in spheres of wisdom, inspiration and
                      > courage, reaches the threshold of the Living Macrocosm, and discerning
                      > the intent of the hierarchies in relationship to the evolution of
                      > mankind, then bringing down those healing and inspiring thoughts,
                      > gloving them in bestowed deeds upon the world and within hearts....
                      >
                      > The age of the Theoretical Christ, like the Libraries of Dinosaurs
                      > archived in the Tarpits, is long past, but men know it not, men desire
                      > this not to be so............
                      >
                      > Who knows this appreciates the terror and trembling of being a
                      > fugitive from spiritual initiatives, and lives in an unbroken circle,
                      > dreaming of turning it into a spiral, and particpating in lift. To be
                      > pregressive is to learn to come "Full Spiral". Look at your deeds in
                      > the closing act of each day, and place this imagination at the center
                      > of every Ruckschau; then add the Irish waking prayer "What is this day
                      > lucky for" to the lifting of your eyelashes at the first gleam of
                      > dawn..............
                      >
                      > Enough flame for now.............
                      >
                      > Warm regards,
                      > Harvey

                      Dear Whomever,
                      >
                      > Its very simple. Those posts don't seem to have anything to do
                      > with
                      > anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
                      > spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct. It
                      > is
                      > the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not
                      > seeing
                      > on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or
                      > even
                      > post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about
                      > anthroposophy.
                      >
                      > Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a
                      > definition
                      > of anthroposophy?
                      >
                      > crabbily yours,
                      > joel
                      >
                      > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 23:00, Cheeseandsalsa@... wrote:
                      > > Hermit crab, what is your deal?
                      > >
                      > > To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
                      > >
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                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Mark Willan <mwillan@...>
                      Sent: Feb 23, 2005 12:13 AM
                      To: anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness

                      A little less flame, and a little more downright honesty please...


                      Mark Willan

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                      France

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                      mwillan@...
                      On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:08 AM, earlyfire@... wrote:

                      > Dear Joel,
                      >
                      > One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it.
                      > Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by
                      > thinking.
                      > Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a Ph.D. writing
                      > and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual on how to
                      > extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an embryonic,
                      > sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence, Her
                      > Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face of
                      > risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence of
                      > the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the Michaelic
                      > Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one is coming to
                      > spiritual responsibility, entering the river called "Not by bread
                      > alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of laziness, of prejudice,
                      > of the attitude of "Been there, Done That", practices and perfects
                      > Anthroposophy.
                      >
                      > Defining presupposes it's a done deal, an inventory, an arsenal of
                      > well-husked expertise. Anthroposophy is the way in which
                      > Anthroposophia, Who indwells Processes of Intuition, (upper case!),
                      > frames Her presence in the speech and the dreams and deeds of men.
                      > Anthroposophy therefore is the aspiration to a state of 24/7
                      > connectivity to penetrating in spheres of wisdom, inspiration and
                      > courage, reaches the threshold of the Living Macrocosm, and discerning
                      > the intent of the hierarchies in relationship to the evolution of
                      > mankind, then bringing down those healing and inspiring thoughts,
                      > gloving them in bestowed deeds upon the world and within hearts....
                      >
                      > The age of the Theoretical Christ, like the Libraries of Dinosaurs
                      > archived in the Tarpits, is long past, but men know it not, men desire
                      > this not to be so............
                      >
                      > Who knows this appreciates the terror and trembling of being a
                      > fugitive from spiritual initiatives, and lives in an unbroken circle,
                      > dreaming of turning it into a spiral, and particpating in lift. To be
                      > pregressive is to learn to come "Full Spiral". Look at your deeds in
                      > the closing act of each day, and place this imagination at the center
                      > of every Ruckschau; then add the Irish waking prayer "What is this day
                      > lucky for" to the lifting of your eyelashes at the first gleam of
                      > dawn..............
                      >
                      > Enough flame for now.............
                      >
                      > Warm regards,
                      > Harvey
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Joel Wendt <hermit@...>
                      > Sent: Feb 22, 2005 9:33 AM
                      > To: "anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com" <anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness
                      >
                      >
                      > Dear Whomever,
                      >
                      > Its very simple. Those posts don't seem to have anything to do
                      > with
                      > anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
                      > spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct. It
                      > is
                      > the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not
                      > seeing
                      > on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or
                      > even
                      > post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about
                      > anthroposophy.
                      >
                      > Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a
                      > definition
                      > of anthroposophy?
                      >

                      >


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Mark Willan <mwillan@...>
                      Sent: Feb 23, 2005 12:13 AM
                      To: anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness

                      A little less flame, and a little more downright honesty please...


                      Mark Willan

                      3 place des Cines
                      06560 Valbonne Sophia Antipolis
                      France

                      Tel: +334 9296 0919
                      Mob: +336 7320 4006
                      Fax: +334 9296 9004

                      mwillan@...
                      On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:08 AM, earlyfire@... wrote:

                      > Dear Joel,
                      >
                      > One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it.
                      > Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by
                      > thinking.
                      > Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a Ph.D. writing
                      > and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual on how to
                      > extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an embryonic,
                      > sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence, Her
                      > Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face of
                      > risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence of
                      > the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the Michaelic
                      > Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one is coming to
                      > spiritual responsibility, entering the river called "Not by bread
                      > alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of laziness, of prejudice,
                      > of the attitude of "Been there, Done That", practices and perfects
                      > Anthroposophy.
                      >
                      > Defining presupposes it's a done deal, an inventory, an arsenal of
                      > well-husked expertise. Anthroposophy is the way in which
                      > Anthroposophia, Who indwells Processes of Intuition, (upper case!),
                      > frames Her presence in the speech and the dreams and deeds of men.
                      > Anthroposophy therefore is the aspiration to a state of 24/7
                      > connectivity to penetrating in spheres of wisdom, inspiration and
                      > courage, reaches the threshold of the Living Macrocosm, and discerning
                      > the intent of the hierarchies in relationship to the evolution of
                      > mankind, then bringing down those healing and inspiring thoughts,
                      > gloving them in bestowed deeds upon the world and within hearts....
                      >
                      > The age of the Theoretical Christ, like the Libraries of Dinosaurs
                      > archived in the Tarpits, is long past, but men know it not, men desire
                      > this not to be so............
                      >
                      > Who knows this appreciates the terror and trembling of being a
                      > fugitive from spiritual initiatives, and lives in an unbroken circle,
                      > dreaming of turning it into a spiral, and particpating in lift. To be
                      > pregressive is to learn to come "Full Spiral". Look at your deeds in
                      > the closing act of each day, and place this imagination at the center
                      > of every Ruckschau; then add the Irish waking prayer "What is this day
                      > lucky for" to the lifting of your eyelashes at the first gleam of
                      > dawn.............. 
                      >
                      > Enough flame for now.............
                      >
                      > Warm regards,
                      > Harvey
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Joel Wendt <hermit@...>
                      > Sent: Feb 22, 2005 9:33 AM
                      > To: "anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com" <anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Fire of Righteousness
                      >
                      >
                      > Dear Whomever,
                      >
                      >       Its very simple.  Those posts don't seem to have anything to do
                      > with
                      > anthroposophy, which is precisely not like or inclusive of all other
                      > spiritual ways, but rather something very specific and distinct.  It
                      > is
                      > the differences that make anthroposophy what it is, and I am not
                      > seeing
                      > on this list much interest in anything related to anthroposophy, or
                      > even
                      > post suggesting the poster actually knows anything about
                      > anthroposophy.
                      >
                      >       Would you care to demonstrate your knowledge by offering a
                      > definition
                      > of anthroposophy?
                      >
                      > crabbily yours,
                      > joel
                      >
                      > On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 23:00, Cheeseandsalsa@... wrote:
                      > >                    Hermit crab, what is your deal?
                      > >                                   
                      > >         To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
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                    • Joel Wendt
                      Dear Harvey, It is hard not to love your flights of imagery. Doubly hard not to concede the validity of the ideas...yet...something resists...or better yet
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                        Dear Harvey,

                        It is hard not to love your flights of imagery. Doubly hard not to
                        concede the validity of the ideas...yet...something resists...or better
                        yet sees from a different place...

                        Some verse I wrote years ago that was published in the Carl Stegmann
                        sponsored journal: America in the Threefold World:

                        Dilemma

                        I have too much
                        If I am not careful, things will possess me.
                        They demand I carry them when I move.
                        They insist I resist another's possessing them.
                        If they are lost, so am I.
                        It makes not one difference,
                        if these things are objects or ideas.
                        They can all be stones.
                        So,
                        oppressed I seek my freedom
                        I will have nothing.
                        Thus I become.

                        For such reasons as the above, I try not to "know" anything, albeit,
                        the will over time acquires capacities, and my essence - my "verbness" -
                        can't help but do.

                        To do is also to choose, so a situation presents itself in life, and
                        doing must choose a course. There lies our freedom.

                        Doing is both inner and outer, I do as much in thinking as I do in
                        acting in life. The two interweave.

                        Social situations sometimes, but not always, demand response. Silence
                        is often the truest Good.

                        Yet, if speech or writing - if the gift of the word is called forth, to
                        what end it is directed is again choice.

                        Using the gift of the word, for whom do I craft its gifts, and what
                        then is my individual art with this gift? If I choose to serve the
                        other, the Thou, then thinking will itself suggest a course, for the
                        object is not so much the art of the use of the word, but rather the
                        service to be rendered.

                        So I listen a lot, for the world of the Thou's mind is not always
                        easily congruent with the world of my mind. Sometimes it seems we speak
                        entirely different languages although using the same words, for meaning
                        is what is intended by the speaker, and not found on the dead pages of a
                        dictionary.

                        Sentences and paragraphs are the music of ideas laid out on a flat
                        surface. They can have, in that form, the same inner beauty and
                        exactness (truth) of the most profound geometric expressions.

                        Listening while inwardly silent, with an intention to serve, brings
                        something into thinking not involved in my view, but rather inspired by
                        the other's view. I become doorway, not teacher. The needs of the Thou
                        reach through me to an elsewhere they may not even know exists, and
                        which I may not have yet met myself. The Thou teaches me how to speak
                        him.

                        Sometimes the elsewhere is terrible and full of fire, because the Thou
                        is lost from the truth, and the elsewhere seeks to burn away the dross,
                        for I not only serve the Thou but the elsewhere too. In such
                        situations, my I will have to endure dislike, perhaps even hate, for in
                        such a situation of purification by fire the resistance of the Thou is
                        high, and my I will be scourged and crowned with thorns in order to
                        serve.

                        Yet, I am not alone on this list, and we are together here in circle
                        conversation. What then is the sum of our sharing? Is the new out of
                        the elsewhere appearing here on this aethereal stage? If so, how do we
                        consciously bring it about? Many words have been offered...can we mold
                        them into a shared song? Or, should we just sing, and leave the
                        interweaving of our whole to the own elsewhere within?

                        Can speech obey the observations of the ten forms of change?

                        involutionally yours,
                        joel



                        On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 13:23, earlyfire@... wrote:

                        > As to Joel's notion that
                        > Anthroposophy is
                        > "Precisely not like or inclusive of all other spiritual ways,
                        > but rather something very specific and distinct.", we suggest that
                        > Michaelic Activity of which AP is but one echo, invites, even demands
                        > that connections between esoteric language and conceptual architecture
                        > burst open the aristocratic ghetto of this exotic, stupendous vocabulary,
                        > and utilizing fresh imagination build creative connections beyond the
                        > autistic isolation of its terminology, and jouyously and courageously
                        > debut into the stream of the world's spiritual impulses at large.
                        >
                        > Failing such gemut, it is possible to remain esoterically autistic,
                        > which is to say, to be an Anthroposophist yet and not be worthy of the
                        > Michael School..........
                      • holderlin66
                        earlyfire wrote: One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it. Anthroposophy is not a noun, it s a verb, a doing hallowed by thinking. Ergo get
                        Message 11 of 16 , Feb 24, 2005
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                          earlyfire wrote:

                          "One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it.
                          Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by
                          thinking. Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a
                          Ph.D. writing and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual
                          on how to extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an
                          embryonic, sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence,
                          Her Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face
                          of risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence
                          of the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the
                          Michaelic Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one
                          is coming to spiritual responsibility, entering the river
                          called "Not by bread alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of
                          laziness, of prejudice, of the attitude of "Been there, Done That",
                          practices and perfects Anthroposophy."

                          Bradford comments;

                          I have never read or heard a more clear, winging redefinition,
                          reawakening of Spiritual Science for our times. This, this dear
                          friends should grace the cover of every work, and stand for the
                          front piece to all cyber entrances marked Anthro studies. Harvey, my
                          beloved this whole soul worked and interiorized definition has never
                          been wrought, updated or offered in such a dynamically clear cut
                          way...I hope you don't mind if I bandy this about as your finest,
                          finest living thoughts to date.

                          These things dare not be entombed. And they who would entomb them in
                          their stale thought box, their mass produced university dust bin of
                          how to think like a Jesuit, entomb the Christ and themselves as if
                          leaving the most important exploration of the world, sealed shut
                          against the rising of the new living dawn of humanity. Enter not
                          here!

                          The faculties of intuition, imagination, inspiration...seeds of
                          spirit self, life spirit and spirit man...lock this door,
                          genetically key code and lock the seed to the Christ, and everyone
                          return to their seats, for the dead thought and the dead word and
                          the dead intellect and the dead stars are where man must stay. The
                          seeds, the seeds of these higher seeds, locked, genetically locked
                          and sealed as if we were darkness born.

                          And the Iraqi's are now fined if they attempt to sell open seeds for
                          they must buy the grain and seeds that America has locked and the
                          world must buy the seeds that have been genetically locked against
                          the intrusion of Life and patents on the very fact of life and the
                          higher unfolding of the seeds of the I AM are also, in the same
                          awful paradigm forced shut against the sharing of life.

                          And we approach with staleness, dull habitual patterns, with shovels
                          instead of swords to bury the thoughts that Spiritual Science
                          offered humanity to grow us into gods... to navigate our souls
                          towards the light, like fish long locked in hidden caverns drives
                          the heart, to suddenly have light, light, hazy rippling light, it
                          hurts and stuns the eyes... and those entombed words and entombed
                          habits of thinking seem so abstract and safe compared to the living
                          sword of thinking, STING, that STeiner warned, we should learn how
                          to use our sting, be unafraid to use our sting...for Michael and our
                          blood fashion our thinking swords and we awaken on the other side of
                          winged intuition, living thought.

                          And they have rushed to lock out the living seeds of the Higher I AM
                          against silvery migrations of the giant school of human fish in the
                          age of pisces seeking the upper waters where rumor of light,
                          stinging, astonishing light has drawn them, up, up, up the stream of
                          time...to the astonishing lightness of being.

                          Harvey this was breathtaking. Thanks!
                        • Derek Hagen
                          What a delightful collection of abstract statements. Gospel Moody ... Derek Hagen Mac Systems Manager Acart Communications dhagen@acart.com
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                            What a delightful collection of abstract statements.

                            Gospel Moody

                            On 24-Feb-05, at 7:26 PM, holderlin66 wrote:

                            >
                            > earlyfire wrote:
                            >
                            > "One cannot merely define Anthroposophy, one must Author it.
                            > Anthroposophy is not a noun, it's a verb, a doing hallowed by
                            > thinking. Ergo get to be be King Arthur, one does not acquire a
                            > Ph.D. writing and defending a lofty dissertation/instruction manual
                            > on how to extract Excalibur from a stone. Each of us is an
                            > embryonic, sub-angelic would-be mirror of Anthroposophia's Presence,
                            > Her Influence. So it is that one rather acquires bravery in the face
                            > of risk, and presents his thoughts as quickening to the complacence
                            > of the status quo, and thus enters the Progressive Stream, the
                            > Michaelic Theater. That' it seems to me the first evidence that one
                            > is coming to spiritual responsibility, entering the river
                            > called "Not by bread alone" Anyone who inspires the dissolving of
                            > laziness, of prejudice, of the attitude of "Been there, Done That",
                            > practices and perfects Anthroposophy."
                            >
                            > Bradford comments;
                            >
                            > I have never read or heard a more clear, winging redefinition,
                            > reawakening of Spiritual Science for our times. This, this dear
                            > friends should grace the cover of every work, and stand for the
                            > front piece to all cyber entrances marked Anthro studies. Harvey, my
                            > beloved this whole soul worked and interiorized definition has never
                            > been wrought, updated or offered in such a dynamically clear cut
                            > way...I hope you don't mind if I bandy this about as your finest,
                            > finest living thoughts to date.
                            >
                            > These things dare not be entombed. And they who would entomb them in
                            > their stale thought box, their mass produced university dust bin of
                            > how to think like a Jesuit, entomb the Christ and themselves as if
                            > leaving the most important exploration of the world, sealed shut
                            > against the rising of the new living dawn of humanity. Enter not
                            > here!
                            >
                            > The faculties of intuition, imagination, inspiration...seeds of
                            > spirit self, life spirit and spirit man...lock this door,
                            > genetically key code and lock the seed to the Christ, and everyone
                            > return to their seats, for the dead thought and the dead word and
                            > the dead intellect and the dead stars are where man must stay. The
                            > seeds, the seeds of these higher seeds, locked, genetically locked
                            > and sealed as if we were darkness born.
                            >
                            > And the Iraqi's are now fined if they attempt to sell open seeds for
                            > they must buy the grain and seeds that America has locked and the
                            > world must buy the seeds that have been genetically locked against
                            > the intrusion of Life and patents on the very fact of life and the
                            > higher unfolding of the seeds of the I AM are also, in the same
                            > awful paradigm forced shut against the sharing of life.
                            >
                            > And we approach with staleness, dull habitual patterns, with shovels
                            > instead of swords to bury the thoughts that Spiritual Science
                            > offered humanity to grow us into gods... to navigate our souls
                            > towards the light, like fish long locked in hidden caverns drives
                            > the heart, to suddenly have light, light, hazy rippling light, it
                            > hurts and stuns the eyes... and those entombed words and entombed
                            > habits of thinking seem so abstract and safe compared to the living
                            > sword of thinking, STING, that STeiner warned, we should learn how
                            > to use our sting, be unafraid to use our sting...for Michael and our
                            > blood fashion our thinking swords and we awaken on the other side of
                            > winged intuition, living thought.
                            >
                            > And they have rushed to lock out the living seeds of the Higher I AM
                            > against silvery migrations of the giant school of human fish in the
                            > age of pisces seeking the upper waters where rumor of light,
                            > stinging, astonishing light has drawn them, up, up, up the stream of
                            > time...to the astonishing lightness of being.
                            >
                            > Harvey this was breathtaking. Thanks!
                            >
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                          • Cheeseandsalsa@aol.com
                            Harvey, I just would totally LOVE to meet you someday! Come speak for the anthro society or the Novalis Institute in the Twin Cities area sometime! Harvey,
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                              Harvey, I just would totally LOVE to meet you someday!  Come speak for the anthro society or the Novalis Institute in the Twin Cities area sometime!  Harvey, you may not remember sending out some heart warming writing to a troubled soul in the summer of '03 but I do. I have it still because it helped so much at the time.  Jan as well wrote some encouraging words.  Sometimes anthroposophy is a lot of words one doesn't understand to further isolate oneself in the world.  Until there comes a day where it starts coming together and you thank God the very day you found anthroposophy.  Sometimes when you are at the cross roads there is a very conscious choice to make.  Whether or not to go down the road less traveled where other anthroposophists have gone before.  There are several more by the way that I just love and admire on this list.  Please if you are ever in this bitter northern climate in Minnesota U.S.A. let me know!  ~Chantel  Where the earth appears to sleep the people are definitely NOT. 
                               
                              To be alone without the gods~that is death. ~Holderlin
                            • nuchamber
                              Dear Harvey, Thanks for the hornery Honesty; I loved it.... Great post. Regards, Jud ... the anchor of honesty. Flame, in literary and poetic domain and
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                                Dear Harvey,

                                Thanks for the "hornery" Honesty; I loved it....
                                Great post.

                                Regards, Jud

                                --- earlyfire@e... wrote:
                                > Dear Mark,
                                > Thank you for reminding that flame is potentially advarsarial to
                                the anchor of honesty. Flame, in literary and poetic domain and
                                nuance is not merely perceptual, but rather allegorical, and in
                                Earlyfire's desire to invoke the overtones of this experience, to
                                enter a realm of imaginative consciousness, brings to mind the astral
                                qualities of eagerness, zeal, flair. Steiner himself compares the
                                colorful peacock feathers to this realm in his description of the
                                station of the second degree of initiation; and though imagination
                                only reluctantly consents to allow itself to be compressed into
                                description, it is worth noting that any aspiration to higher
                                consciousness "looks forward to incandescence, to catharsis, to the
                                burning away of veils, veils of vehemance, dogma, interest in
                                formularistic compacting, and in overcrystallizing of knowledge from
                                the river of experience.
                                >
                                > Here again, Steiner, in his description of the ascent to Inspired
                                Cognition which will enter onstage and preoccupy humanity throughout
                                the yet-unborn-and-predestined theater of future Jupiter,
                                forgetting, 'unholding-fast', dispossession of opinions and
                                structures and scaffoldings of knowledge is essential, is a sine-qua-
                                non to entering, or rather, to being invited and welcomed gracelike
                                into the flow and swirl and rush of Macrocosmic thought which is the
                                source of blessings and bestowals for the healing of the world, and
                                is brought down by initiates consciously and artists often both
                                intentionally, whether consciously or unconsciously.
                                >
                                > Finally, by way of bridge-building which links the esoteric
                                bonds 'twixt all mystery schools, an endeavor every student in
                                Michael's School will cherish, we touch down into the ancient Kabal,
                                particularly in the upgraded more modern consciousness-soul
                                adaptation of Kabal which in Poland appear in the 17th century Baal-
                                Shem-Tov's Hasidic teaching. (See Buber's "Tales of the Hasidism" to
                                fill in your history). And so we hear of the word "Hitlahavut",
                                literally, "the burning", which refers to the searing away of veils
                                of ignorance and obsession with dross of desire (Steiner's
                                term "Achamod" which pollutes purity of intention in the astral, and
                                the essential siren-like seduction of Lucifer in Paradise). Earlier
                                on it appears as the imagination in the Druid's Cauldron (Ceridwen).
                                is referred to as "Hitlahavut". It was not for academic prowess that
                                RS describes the element of warmth as having both physical and
                                spiritual interface within the domain of human access and experience.
                                >
                                > And thus our brief preface is ended. Your well taken point, is that
                                fire, if manifested selfishly and bereft of anchor, that is to say,
                                of grounding, responsible love, potentially can sabotage the
                                development of the stability, the abiding moral steadfastness of the
                                would-be initiate, to perform the Christ-Act, to retraverse the
                                descent of the Word becoming Flesh within the individuals authored
                                deeds. Listen to the Credo movement of Mozart's Grand Mass in C-
                                Minor, to phenomenologically acquire first-hand experience of this
                                descent, and hear it musically translated, and so be privy to what
                                this anchoring looks, "steadfasting" act presences itself, not as
                                knowledge, as in the husk of words, but rather as Living Process, as
                                movement, i.e., as Inspired Cognition.
                                >
                                > Another welcome warning now comes to mind: Steiner remarks that
                                after death, one must carry the stabilizing Christ Impulse out into
                                the starry worlds, to accompany Luciferic expansiveness, and that, we
                                add, in the dialogue between illumination and modesty, in the far
                                reaches of light and the silent holy still-water-runs-deep depths of
                                the Christ, we experience the inbreathing and outbreathing of our
                                celestial growth.............
                                >
                                > In this respect, your polarization of flame and downright honesty,
                                if not harmonized, participates in the ever-present challenge of
                                balancing, of coordinating Christ and Lucifer influence, both down in
                                the Mortal Here and beyond Cosmic Everywhere. But here, another
                                startling realization crops into awareness: Remember also that
                                Steiner mentions that the primary characteristic of the initiate
                                (which we have intuitive grounds to suspect connotes fourth degree
                                and above), is that he/she is able to participate in activities, in, -
                                what shall we source to "describe" the first-hand experience - to
                                participate and dialogue and to "Celestially Metabolize", the
                                Macrocosm without numbed will, the released will which matures when,
                                no longer drawn into a drunken stupor of desire, and desire's
                                coagulated agenda most Ahrimanic (recall" Ahriman being the karma of
                                Lucifer"), is free to touch and embrace the Holy, without the least
                                trace of impulse to possess.
                                >
                                > For before the labors of Jupiter can "hatch" in our awareness as a
                                tangivle field of activity and intention and aspiration, possession
                                will have to cease being 9/10th of the law. This tyrannical
                                gravitylike vortex to amass and influence, to turf, so characteristic
                                to the operation of the animal kingdom's intractable instinct, will
                                have been divested of authority and dominion as an operative in human
                                affairs.
                                >
                                > For those who wish to carry this thought one step further, this
                                deed, this liberation, esoterically corresponds with the
                                reacquisition of men to photosynthesize food from light, and the
                                freeing up of the plant kingdom from the slavery of this
                                responsibility now necessary...........
                                >
                                > Expanding this perspective, one reads in the Seven
                                Valleys, "Knowledge is the last plane of limitation", and in Morya's
                                teaching "Just as the leaves are the messengers of the wind, and the
                                snow the ambassador of the cold, so also the word is the husk from
                                the breath of a creative thought." So it begins to dawn upon us, one
                                must eventually become downright honest and inquire what lies beyond
                                these planes, what Living Invitation indwells, and points to and
                                leads us via Honest FirstHand Experience beyond the corral of words
                                and ideas?
                                >
                                > Thus, though it seems perhaps altogether redundant to retrace the
                                obvious, one must remind oneself that it is all-too-widely and
                                tragically observed that many Anthroposophists are beholden only to
                                the devoted embrace of second-hand knowledge, and crave, most
                                magnetically vortexlike crave acquiring "Steiner-hand-Me-Downs" of
                                eruditely mimic'd, of what we unmockingly refer to as imitative
                                or "Chimp'd" Templates. As though Anthroposophy were a commodity, an
                                acquireable asset. These are, alas those who have not yet risen to
                                the adventure of considering what will happen by employing Steiner's
                                magnificent and lucid and comprehensive esoteric scaffoldings in
                                aspirations which lead to confident maturation of Imaginative,
                                Inspired and Intuitive powers and responsibilities.
                                >
                                > And so the ability to distinguish the presence of Anthroposophia
                                (self-knowledging) from its fruits which are scaffoldings of
                                Anthroposophy, is essential to any discussion of self-knowledge. Put
                                another way, or so to us it seems that Anthroposophia indwells heart-
                                space, mentoring, tutoring, inspiring consciousness which we identify
                                as the very intent and essence of what has become known as Goethean
                                conversation. And it is a most holy, most intimate dialogue, through
                                which one is enabled to author first-hand out of the consciousness
                                soul. "Conversation" Goethe mentions in connection with two
                                interesting statements which precede it ("What's more valuable than
                                Gold? Light. Whats more valuable than Light;more valuable than gold,
                                and responds: "Conversation", to which we whisper, conversation is
                                the act of uncovering, unravelling, revealing, => "bringing to
                                light", the same we recognize as the exercise of responsible artistic
                                license, or "Authority" (Arthur=Author).
                                >
                                > As to Joel's notion that
                                > Anthroposophy is
                                > "Precisely not like or inclusive of all other spiritual ways,
                                > but rather something very specific and distinct.", we suggest that
                                Michaelic Activity
                                > of which AP is but one echo, invites, even demands that connections
                                between esoteric
                                > language and conceptual architecture burst open the aristocratic
                                ghetto of this exotic, stupendous vocabulary,
                                > and utilizing fresh imagination build creative connections beyond
                                the autistic isolation of its terminology,
                                > and jouyously and courageously debut into the stream of the world's
                                spiritual impulses at large.
                                >
                                > Failing such gemut, it is possible to remain esoterically autistic,
                                which is to say, to be an Anthroposophist
                                > yet and not be worthy of the Michael School..........
                                >
                                >
                                > Warm Regards,
                                > Harvey Bornfield
                                >
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