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  • JOHN B
    Dear Jan .... Exactly .... and you re a gentleman as well ..Best wishes, JOHN Jan wrote:Dear John, If it came across as
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      Dear Jan ...."Exactly" .... and you're a gentleman as well ..Best wishes, JOHN

      Jan <starbirdgarden@...> wrote:
      Dear John,
        If it came across as ‘biting criticism’ I apologize.  It was meant more humorously, hence the smile! :)
      Jan



      To Br. Ron and the Group
       
      While graciously admitting error in accepting without reservation the biting criticism of Group member Jan's earlier comment in which I represented the present whereabouts of Rudolf Steiner, I've now the benefit of Br. Ron's reply to my earlier comment to reflect upon.
       
      I really don't know where to begin in acknowledging Br. Ron's brief remarks, largely because I can only see Kerry and Bush as Karmic twins, and interestingly enough for me as well, members both of Yale University's Skull & Bones Society. So rather than further raise objections to Br. Ron's position, I here append a newsletter article written by a gentleman associated with Temple Lodge Publishers, an article that touches on certain lectures given by Steiner on the role of occult organization in directing world events. It's a short read but valuable. I can only say in closing that America's two party system and its current leading exemplars, Kerry and Bush, are part of the cosmic problem, and they shall not afford the way out to its solution. The Threefold Commonwealth continues to guide my view of the possibilities for political renewal everywhere. As an American I personally consider a vote for either of these candidates an immoral act and therefore I shall not enter into debate on this particular matter. I've stated my position and I believe Br. Ron has his as well. My best to all ,,,,,, John B
      http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/articles/Brothers%20of%20the%20Shadow.html

       
      "Br. Ron" <rlloyd@...> wrote:

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: JOHN B


        How can one anthroposophically countenance the policy conduct and prescriptions of either Bush or Kerry? One can't, of course.

        John, does this mean that even though RS was politically active
        his students cannot be?

        BR



        "Br. Ron" <rlloyd@...> wrote:
          Thanks for the 'cut and paste' spin, my daughter.
      >>>>>snip<<<<<<
          >> >
            >> > PLEASE CONSIDER BUSH'S EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING. Then
            >> >
            >> > PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW.








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    • holderlin66
      JOHN B wrote; ...Kerry and Bush, are part of the cosmic problem, and they shall not afford the way out to its solution. The Threefold Commonwealth continues
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        JOHN B wrote;

        "...Kerry and Bush, are part of the cosmic problem, and they shall
        not afford the way out to its solution. The Threefold Commonwealth
        continues to guide my view of the possibilities for political
        renewal everywhere. As an American I personally consider a vote for
        either of these candidates an immoral act and therefore I shall not
        enter into debate on this particular matter."

        http://www.unknownnews.org/041101a-kn.html

        Nov. 1, 2004

        I'm tired, unable to write much.

        It is three days before the election. I'm not immobilized by fear or
        dread like millions of Americans. Rather I am immobilized by
        resignation. I feel like a man on a sinking ship minus lifeboats or
        life preservers. I'm sitting in a deck chair aftward on the Titanic,
        otherwise known as America, waiting for the end of life as we know
        it.

        Nothing cataclysmic will happen on November 2. Here in New Mexico
        the sun will rise over an untroubled desert and people will get up
        and go about their business as usual. My neighbor will walk his dog.
        FedEx will deliver packages. Cops will write speeding tickets. Pizza
        will be delivered. Construction will plod along on the new store
        around the corner. Outwardly everything will seem absolutely the
        same.

        Beneath the humdrum surface however a volcano is seething, angrily
        burbling, ready to explode in our faces.

        By midnight we will know if Bush will be "re-elected" or Kerry
        elected to serve as the next president of the United States (or the
        CEO of America, Inc., as I call it, because the presidency is owned
        by multinational corporations and rich people). Or maybe we will not
        know because the "race" will be close and the Democrats -- who are
        actually a Lite, somewhat more approachable, although certainly as
        corrupt and double-dealing version of the Republicans -- will
        contest the election and the whole thing will end up in court again.
        Maybe the tension will crawl on past Christmas. Maybe the Supreme
        Court will appoint Bush again. Or maybe there will a terrorist
        attack and martial law will be imposed. Or maybe Kerry will win and
        Bush will leave office and take the unpleasant and hateful
        Straussian neocons with him. Or Bush will win and Kerry will concede
        and there will be exuberant tickertape parades and boastful speeches
        on AM radio where reactionaries hold court every day.

        Regardless, the ship is going down. It's taking on water as I write
        this.

        Our national debt is monstrous and unimaginably burdensome and will
        soon crush the life out of us. I don't claim to know much about
        economics. But I know the government cannot continue to borrow money
        and pass the bill on to future generations. It's untenable. It's
        criminal. Clinton held a surplus and Bush reduced that surplus to a
        whirling black hole of debt in less than four years. It is now
        beginning to suck everything in. If you look close you can see
        things straining and shuddering at their moorings. Inflation.
        Unemployment. Gas prices out of control. States with no money to fix
        roads and schools and bridges. Personal bankruptcy on the increase.
        Like a hurricane not too far off these things now merely rattle the
        windows but all too soon will violently tear the roof off our
        collective house. It's only a matter of time. And most of us are
        oblivious.

        I want to go back to writing novels and short stories. But I can't
        because there are five alarm fire bells reverberating inside my
        head. It is not simply the fact I am unemployed and the economy is
        about to crash and burn.

        It is also the fact our government was hijacked by extreme right-
        wing criminals who are determined to invade numerous countries and
        slaughter innumerable people. It is the fact these criminals and
        their accomplices have eviscerated the Constitution and butchered
        the Bill of Rights. I can't go back to writing novels and short
        stories until the alarm bells stop caterwauling inside my head. I'm
        not sure they ever will.

        I have a bad feeling about all of this. November 2 will not change
        anything, regardless of who is the CEO of America, Inc. John Kerry
        has promised to out-Bush Bush in Iraq. He's onboard with
        indiscriminate murder and imposing the neoliberal order (some call
        this the New World Order) on humanity, especially those who have
        natural resources. He's a Skull and Bones elitist. Kerry is an
        outwardly kinder and gentler Bush and if he is chosen on November 2
        nothing will change.

        But I don't think he will be chosen because the American people are
        scared shitless of our engineered and pre-packaged Emmanuel
        Goldsteins who wear turbans and slice off heads and were trained at
        the CIA's Camp Peary. Enough people will vote for Bush because he is
        more ruthless and mean-spirited and the people -- ill-educated,
        intellectually incurious, and brainwashed by Fox News and CNN --
        believe he will do a better job of dealing with (that is to say mass
        murdering) the terrorists, many who are admittedly religious whack
        jobs, although they are whack jobs initially financed and trained in
        the United States (our government spent $6 billion to create the
        radical Muslim variety of terrorist).

        Somewhere there is a photograph of Ronald Reagan conferring with the
        Taliban. Now the same Taliban are killing boys and girls from
        Nebraska and New Jersey in Afghanistan where Bush and the Pentagon
        have no right to be. In Iraq the resistance is killing boys and
        girls from Colorado and Connecticut with weapons sold to Saddam by
        Reagan and Dubya's old man. It is a hellhole sold to the American
        people by Straussian snake oil salesmen.

        It is a big swooshing whorl of insanity and coagulated blood and
        spattered guts and I have absolutely no idea what to do in order to
        make it stop. I know for damn sure voting will not make it stop.

        So I sit in my deck chair.

        And wait.
      • Hogie McM
        food for thought: instead of waiting for the next canticle of leibowitz to be created by someone else, perhaps you should write novels and short stories about
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          food for thought: instead of waiting for the next canticle of leibowitz to be created by someone else, perhaps you should write novels and short stories
          about the subject you know so much about and publish them.....i fear you are on the verge of catatonia.....
          writing should help counteract the force of the whirling dervishes in your head...
           
          h
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:33 PM
          Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: Open letter to my daughter


          JOHN B wrote;

          "...Kerry and Bush, are part of the cosmic problem, and they shall
          not afford the way out to its solution. The Threefold Commonwealth
          continues to guide my view of the possibilities for political
          renewal everywhere. As an American I personally consider a vote for
          either of these candidates an immoral act and therefore I shall not
          enter into debate on this particular matter."

          http://www.unknownnews.org/041101a-kn.html

          Nov. 1, 2004

          I'm tired, unable to write much.

          It is three days before the election. I'm not immobilized by fear or
          dread like millions of Americans. Rather I am immobilized by
          resignation. I feel like a man on a sinking ship minus lifeboats or
          life preservers. I'm sitting in a deck chair aftward on the Titanic,
          otherwise known as America, waiting for the end of life as we know
          it.

          Nothing cataclysmic will happen on November 2. Here in New Mexico
          the sun will rise over an untroubled desert and people will get up
          and go about their business as usual. My neighbor will walk his dog.
          FedEx will deliver packages. Cops will write speeding tickets. Pizza
          will be delivered. Construction will plod along on the new store
          around the corner. Outwardly everything will seem absolutely the
          same.

          Beneath the humdrum surface however a volcano is seething, angrily
          burbling, ready to explode in our faces.

          By midnight we will know if Bush will be "re-elected" or Kerry
          elected to serve as the next president of the United States (or the
          CEO of America, Inc., as I call it, because the presidency is owned
          by multinational corporations and rich people). Or maybe we will not
          know because the "race" will be close and the Democrats -- who are
          actually a Lite, somewhat more approachable, although certainly as
          corrupt and double-dealing version of the Republicans -- will
          contest the election and the whole thing will end up in court again.
          Maybe the tension will crawl on past Christmas. Maybe the Supreme
          Court will appoint Bush again. Or maybe there will a terrorist
          attack and martial law will be imposed. Or maybe Kerry will win and
          Bush will leave office and take the unpleasant and hateful
          Straussian neocons with him. Or Bush will win and Kerry will concede
          and there will be exuberant tickertape parades and boastful speeches
          on AM radio where reactionaries hold court every day.

          Regardless, the ship is going down. It's taking on water as I write
          this.

          Our national debt is monstrous and unimaginably burdensome and will
          soon crush the life out of us. I don't claim to know much about
          economics. But I know the government cannot continue to borrow money
          and pass the bill on to future generations. It's untenable. It's
          criminal. Clinton held a surplus and Bush reduced that surplus to a
          whirling black hole of debt in less than four years. It is now
          beginning to suck everything in. If you look close you can see
          things straining and shuddering at their moorings. Inflation.
          Unemployment. Gas prices out of control. States with no money to fix
          roads and schools and bridges. Personal bankruptcy on the increase.
          Like a hurricane not too far off these things now merely rattle the
          windows but all too soon will violently tear the roof off our
          collective house. It's only a matter of time. And most of us are
          oblivious.

          I want to go back to writing novels and short stories. But I can't
          because there are five alarm fire bells reverberating inside my
          head. It is not simply the fact I am unemployed and the economy is
          about to crash and burn.

          It is also the fact our government was hijacked by extreme right-
          wing criminals who are determined to invade numerous countries and
          slaughter innumerable people. It is the fact these criminals and
          their accomplices have eviscerated the Constitution and butchered
          the Bill of Rights. I can't go back to writing novels and short
          stories until the alarm bells stop caterwauling inside my head. I'm
          not sure they ever will.

          I have a bad feeling about all of this. November 2 will not change
          anything, regardless of who is the CEO of America, Inc. John Kerry
          has promised to out-Bush Bush in Iraq. He's onboard with
          indiscriminate murder and imposing the neoliberal order (some call
          this the New World Order) on humanity, especially those who have
          natural resources. He's a Skull and Bones elitist. Kerry is an
          outwardly kinder and gentler Bush and if he is chosen on November 2
          nothing will change.

          But I don't think he will be chosen because the American people are
          scared shitless of our engineered and pre-packaged Emmanuel
          Goldsteins who wear turbans and slice off heads and were trained at
          the CIA's Camp Peary. Enough people will vote for Bush because he is
          more ruthless and mean-spirited and the people -- ill-educated,
          intellectually incurious, and brainwashed by Fox News and CNN --
          believe he will do a better job of dealing with (that is to say mass
          murdering) the terrorists, many who are admittedly religious whack
          jobs, although they are whack jobs initially financed and trained in
          the United States (our government spent $6 billion to create the
          radical Muslim variety of terrorist).

          Somewhere there is a photograph of Ronald Reagan conferring with the
          Taliban. Now the same Taliban are killing boys and girls from
          Nebraska and New Jersey in Afghanistan where Bush and the Pentagon
          have no right to be. In Iraq the resistance is killing boys and
          girls from Colorado and Connecticut with weapons sold to Saddam by
          Reagan and Dubya's old man. It is a hellhole sold to the American
          people by Straussian snake oil salesmen.

          It is a big swooshing whorl of insanity and coagulated blood and
          spattered guts and I have absolutely no idea what to do in order to
          make it stop. I know for damn sure voting will not make it stop.

          So I sit in my deck chair.

          And wait.






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        • joksu57
          Hello all! Thanks to John B. for the reference to the insightful article of Mr. Gulbekian. It is an interesting matter with these dualities: earlier communisn
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            Hello all!

            Thanks to John B. for the reference to the insightful article of Mr.
            Gulbekian. It is an interesting matter with these dualities: earlier
            communisn vs. capitalism, now islam vs. christianity or terrorist vs.
            others (and both sides regard the other side as the real terrorists).

            With the help of mass media / propaganda there is a tendency to fan
            the antagonism. In this way it is possible to get the psychic
            contribution of a very large amount of people to take part in
            such "fights". Perhaps this can be called a "poor man's version" of
            the War of All Against All.

            What has anthroposophy to do with these matters? Well, it can give us
            a higher perspective to inspect compicated situations. Personally I
            regard Spiritual Science as a way to know Christ. Taking part to
            political / militaristic fights is not "My Way".

            Warm Regards
            Joksu

            --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, JOHN B <jtwbjakarta@y...> wrote:
            > To Br. Ron and the Group
            >
            > While graciously admitting error in accepting without reservation
            the biting criticism of Group member Jan's earlier comment in which I
            represented the present whereabouts of Rudolf Steiner, I've now the
            benefit of Br. Ron's reply to my earlier comment to reflect upon.
            >
            > I really don't know where to begin in acknowledging Br. Ron's brief
            remarks, largely because I can only see Kerry and Bush as Karmic
            twins, and interestingly enough for me as well, members both of Yale
            University's Skull & Bones Society. So rather than further raise
            objections to Br. Ron's position, I here append a newsletter article
            written by a gentleman associated with Temple Lodge Publishers, an
            article that touches on certain lectures given by Steiner on the role
            of occult organization in directing world events. It's a short read
            but valuable. I can only say in closing that America's two party
            system and its current leading exemplars, Kerry and Bush, are part of
            the cosmic problem, and they shall not afford the way out to its
            solution. The Threefold Commonwealth continues to guide my view of
            the possibilities for political renewal everywhere. As an American I
            personally consider a vote for either of these candidates an immoral
            act and therefore I shall not enter into debate on
            > this particular matter. I've stated my position and I believe Br.
            Ron has his as well. My best to all ,,,,,, John B
            >
            > http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/articles/Brothers%20of%20the%
            20Shadow.html
            >
            >
            > "Br. Ron" <rlloyd@d...> wrote:
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: JOHN B
            >
            >
            > How can one anthroposophically countenance the policy conduct and
            prescriptions of either Bush or Kerry? One can't, of course.
            >
            > John, does this mean that even though RS was politically active
            > his students cannot be?
            >
            > BR
            >
            >
            >
            > "Br. Ron" <rlloyd@d...> wrote:
            > Thanks for the 'cut and paste' spin, my daughter.
            > >>>>>snip<<<<<<
            > >> >
            > >> > PLEASE CONSIDER BUSH'S EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING. Then
            > >> >
            > >> > PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW.
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          • JOHN B
            Hi Hogie, Regarding your message to Holderlin66: I ve seen Holderlin66 s many contributions elsewhere over the internet...He s a discerning and gifted writer
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              Hi Hogie, Regarding your message to Holderlin66: I've seen Holderlin66's many contributions elsewhere over the internet...He's a discerning and gifted writer already, with a beautiful worldview. However I've only just discovered, by his Nov 1st comment, that he has a keen understanding of financial economics.
               
              The Bush Republican Cabal has pushed the finances of the Federal Government irrecoverably over the edge. The slippery slope to the abyss started with the Democrat Lyndon Johnson almost immediately upon his taking the Oath of Office and with each Adminstration thereafter it only got worse. With the Bush/Cheney Cabal's "Templar War" on Iraq, aided and abetted by both major political parties in Congress, Government spending thru ""massive"" debt raising/tax cutting has destroyed the long run viability of America as a constitutional republic. Most likely is the dark prospect of the Federal Government's defaulting on its unserviceable promises: DOMESTICALLY, by hyper-inflating the nation's currency and so destroying America's middle-class, and INTERNATIONALLY, by reneging on its promissory notes at the figurative point of a gun, which in actuality shall be a nuclear missle.
               
              Thanks Bush/Cheney & Cabal .... Thanks supine Congress ... Thanks for making fools of the majority of my fellow citizens                                      
               
              So, for a truly masochistic experience, vote for either Bush or Kerry later today; whoever the winner, the outcome for the wellbeing of America over the next 4 years will be about the same. As Holderlin66 wrote: THE SHIP OF STATE IS GOING DOWN ...... It's sad really, I loved America but I shall never forget what Edmund Burke once wrote:.."A nation to be loved must first be lovely..."................
               
              Thanks Hogie; thanks Holderlin66 ..... I'm John B

              Hogie McM <hogie@...> wrote:
              food for thought: instead of waiting for the next canticle of leibowitz to be created by someone else, perhaps you should write novels and short stories
              about the subject you know so much about and publish them.....i fear you are on the verge of catatonia.....
              writing should help counteract the force of the whirling dervishes in your head...
               
              h
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 5:33 PM
              Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: Open letter to my daughter


              JOHN B wrote;

              "...Kerry and Bush, are part of the cosmic problem, and they shall
              not afford the way out to its solution. The Threefold Commonwealth
              continues to guide my view of the possibilities for political
              renewal everywhere. As an American I personally consider a vote for
              either of these candidates an immoral act and therefore I shall not
              enter into debate on this particular matter."

              http://www.unknownnews.org/041101a-kn.html

              Nov. 1, 2004

              I'm tired, unable to write much.

              It is three days before the election. I'm not immobilized by fear or
              dread like millions of Americans. Rather I am immobilized by
              resignation. I feel like a man on a sinking ship minus lifeboats or
              life preservers. I'm sitting in a deck chair aftward on the Titanic,
              otherwise known as America, waiting for the end of life as we know
              it.

              Nothing cataclysmic will happen on November 2. Here in New Mexico
              the sun will rise over an untroubled desert and people will get up
              and go about their business as usual. My neighbor will walk his dog.
              FedEx will deliver packages. Cops will write speeding tickets. Pizza
              will be delivered. Construction will plod along on the new store
              around the corner. Outwardly everything will seem absolutely the
              same.

              Beneath the humdrum surface however a volcano is seething, angrily
              burbling, ready to explode in our faces.

              By midnight we will know if Bush will be "re-elected" or Kerry
              elected to serve as the next president of the United States (or the
              CEO of America, Inc., as I call it, because the presidency is owned
              by multinational corporations and rich people). Or maybe we will not
              know because the "race" will be close and the Democrats -- who are
              actually a Lite, somewhat more approachable, although certainly as
              corrupt and double-dealing version of the Republicans -- will
              contest the election and the whole thing will end up in court again.
              Maybe the tension will crawl on past Christmas. Maybe the Supreme
              Court will appoint Bush again. Or maybe there will a terrorist
              attack and martial law will be imposed. Or maybe Kerry will win and
              Bush will leave office and take the unpleasant and hateful
              Straussian neocons with him. Or Bush will win and Kerry will concede
              and there will be exuberant tickertape parades and boastful speeches
              on AM radio where reactionaries hold court every day.

              Regardless, the ship is going down. It's taking on water as I write
              this.

              Our national debt is monstrous and unimaginably burdensome and will
              soon crush the life out of us. I don't claim to know much about
              economics. But I know the government cannot continue to borrow money
              and pass the bill on to future generations. It's untenable. It's
              criminal. Clinton held a surplus and Bush reduced that surplus to a
              whirling black hole of debt in less than four years. It is now
              beginning to suck everything in. If you look close you can see
              things straining and shuddering at their moorings. Inflation.
              Unemployment. Gas prices out of control. States with no money to fix
              roads and schools and bridges. Personal bankruptcy on the increase.
              Like a hurricane not too far off these things now merely rattle the
              windows but all too soon will violently tear the roof off our
              collective house. It's only a matter of time. And most of us are
              oblivious.

              I want to go back to writing novels and short stories. But I can't
              because there are five alarm fire bells reverberating inside my
              head. It is not simply the fact I am unemployed and the economy is
              about to crash and burn.

              It is also the fact our government was hijacked by extreme right-
              wing criminals who are determined to invade numerous countries and
              slaughter innumerable people. It is the fact these criminals and
              their accomplices have eviscerated the Constitution and butchered
              the Bill of Rights. I can't go back to writing novels and short
              stories until the alarm bells stop caterwauling inside my head. I'm
              not sure they ever will.

              I have a bad feeling about all of this. November 2 will not change
              anything, regardless of who is the CEO of America, Inc. John Kerry
              has promised to out-Bush Bush in Iraq. He's onboard with
              indiscriminate murder and imposing the neoliberal order (some call
              this the New World Order) on humanity, especially those who have
              natural resources. He's a Skull and Bones elitist. Kerry is an
              outwardly kinder and gentler Bush and if he is chosen on November 2
              nothing will change.

              But I don't think he will be chosen because the American people are
              scared shitless of our engineered and pre-packaged Emmanuel
              Goldsteins who wear turbans and slice off heads and were trained at
              the CIA's Camp Peary. Enough people will vote for Bush because he is
              more ruthless and mean-spirited and the people -- ill-educated,
              intellectually incurious, and brainwashed by Fox News and CNN --
              believe he will do a better job of dealing with (that is to say mass
              murdering) the terrorists, many who are admittedly religious whack
              jobs, although they are whack jobs initially financed and trained in
              the United States (our government spent $6 billion to create the
              radical Muslim variety of terrorist).

              Somewhere there is a photograph of Ronald Reagan conferring with the
              Taliban. Now the same Taliban are killing boys and girls from
              Nebraska and New Jersey in Afghanistan where Bush and the Pentagon
              have no right to be. In Iraq the resistance is killing boys and
              girls from Colorado and Connecticut with weapons sold to Saddam by
              Reagan and Dubya's old man. It is a hellhole sold to the American
              people by Straussian snake oil salesmen.

              It is a big swooshing whorl of insanity and coagulated blood and
              spattered guts and I have absolutely no idea what to do in order to
              make it stop. I know for damn sure voting will not make it stop.

              So I sit in my deck chair.

              And wait.






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            • Sheldon Warman
              ... grandchildren. It will imprison them. I suppose that you think that destroying social security, which is what Mr Bush will try to do is good for YOU?
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                --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "Br. Ron" <rlloyd@d...> wrote:
                >The sneaky agenda of your John Kerry will not free my
                grandchildren. It will imprison them.

                I suppose that you think that destroying social security, which is
                what Mr Bush will try to do is good for YOU?

                Sheldon
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