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  • Mark Willan
    Bon jour Je vous rèpons hors liste, car je viens tout juste de rentrer d un voyage en outre-Manche. Le sujet que vous abordez est loin d être simple, et les
    Message 1 of 26 , Aug 17, 2004
      Bon jour

      Je vous rèpons hors liste, car je viens tout juste de rentrer d'un
      voyage en outre-Manche.

      Le sujet que vous abordez est loin d'être simple, et les techniques qui
      ont été esquissées ne tiennent pas la route, car les ASURAS sont les
      forces Anti-Christiques par -excellence. (Voir les 2 cycles par Steiner
      sur l'Apocalyopse).

      Dans mon passé j'ai eu occasion d,avoir un co0ntact personnel avec les
      Asurtas, et si j'en suis sorti, ce n'est pas grâce ni aux forces du
      Christ étherique, ni la médiation de4 la Rose -Croix, mais j'ai été
      obligé de subir, tout simplkement, le temps de la ren contre, car je
      n'avais pas encore développé mes propres foces individuelles
      suffisamment pour pouvoir ne pas avoit été tout simplement dépassé.

      Après-coup, ou8i, en effet le Christ est interveu comme une baume pour
      guréiri le mal causé, mais malgé de longues dicussions personnel;les
      avec Gérard Klockenbring (J'étais à l'époquie membre du bureau de la
      Communauté de Chrétiens à Paris), cela n'a pas quand même pu enlever
      tous les effets néfatses, que je dois encore subir à une distance de
      quelquies 10 ans.

      Si vous souhaitez m,en parler de vive voix, vous pouvez me contacter
      aux c o-ordonnées ci-dessous, mais sachez que ce n'est pas un argument
      que J'aborde bien volontiers, car apres déjà plus de 20 ans de travail
      personnel quotidien sans cesse sur les 5 exercices, méditations
      Steineriennes etc. je n'ai pas été personnellement capable de réussir
      ma seule rencontre avec ces entités. Dans ces conditiosn j'avoue que
      bien peu d'hommes disposent de nos jours la force intérieure requise,
      mêem pôur considérer ces adversaires.

      Excusez mes erreurs de frappe, mais je réponds vite, caqr tardivement.

      J'espère quand même que cela popurra vous être utile.

      Bon courage!



      Mark WILLAN

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      On 08 Aug, 2004, at 04:35 pm, muriel durand-bourlier wrote:

      > Rudolf Steiner speaks about Asuras  : a third stream of spirits of
      > opposition (with Lucifer and Ahriman), which are retarded Archai who
      > work to destroy the human "I", the Ego itself. The Asuras might be
      > agents of the actual Antichrist, the Sun-Demon, known to occultism as
      > "Sorat" (or "Sorath"). To fight against forces of Lucifer and Ahriman,
      > we need appeal to Christ. But to fight against Asuras, someone told me
      > Christ energies aren't effective, Asuras are more powerful. Does
      > someone know which divine entity (entities ?) is able to help to fight
      > against Asuras ?
      > At present, I haven't yet found in Rudolf Steiner texts, references on
      > the energy or entity who can help, who is as or more powerful as/than
      > Asuras.
      > I've thought of Bouddha or of other hindou gods but I haven't found
      > any confirmation of that. It may be other god(s) or energy.
      >  
      > Does someone have ideas and indicate in which references I can read
      > about ?
      > Thank you for your help.
      >  
      > Muriel.
      >  
      > PS 1 : The faster you can answer, the best it is for me.
      > PS 2 : Excuse my English errors, I'm French and haven't a perfect
      > knowledge of English language.
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    • holderlin66
      http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2004-08-17-new-saturn- moons_x.htm The Cassini spacecraft has spotted two previously unknown and small moons orbiting
      Message 2 of 26 , Aug 17, 2004
        http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2004-08-17-new-saturn-
        moons_x.htm

        "The Cassini spacecraft has spotted two previously unknown and small
        moons orbiting Saturn in an unexpected location.The satellites are
        tiny, about 2 miles (3 kilometers) and 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) in
        diameter. They orbit within 131,000 miles (211,000 kilometers) of
        the planet's center.

        Tiny, tiny S/2004 is marked by a box in this Cassini image.
        Image courtesy NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute.

        The discoveries bring the total of Saturn's known moons to 33.
        Number 31 was discovered last year with a ground-based telescope."
      • Danny F.
        ... There shouldn t be more - right Bradford? :) That which reminds us of the Reversal to (the) Support: Outpoured Word - Subtantially - Itself-Symphony That
        Message 3 of 26 , Aug 18, 2004
          > The discoveries bring the total of Saturn's known moons to 33.
          > Number 31 was discovered last year with a ground-based telescope."

          There shouldn't be more - right Bradford? :)

          That which reminds us of the Reversal to (the) Support:
          Outpoured Word - Subtantially - Itself-Symphony
          That became MIDDLE-Man Spine Bones Fragments Frozen Sea!

          But Back to our handbook - in the OPTIC of what Jan said:
          "While it is true that the forces of evil, presently swarming
          through the
          moth-holes in our etheric moral atmosphere, embodied in nano
          technology and
          manipulated genome, clothed in lie and the dark fairy tale of modern
          science, are very great and growing greater, it is also true that a
          mustard
          seed is, or appears, very small. And yet is mighty. As is a halfling-
          hobbit.
          The fulcrum here is the power of what appears tiniest, seemingly less
          significant, but is actually spiritually colossal. The power of
          turning
          inside out. Moon magnification of evil is fore-cast already by
          Ahriman in
          the electro magnetic nexus of manipulated news, spider-spun and
          enwebbing
          the earth in a counter-butterfly cocoon, to bring forth only the
          still-born
          and aborted."
          "Events are moon-magnified; we see elongated shadows, not the
          shriveled
          and desiccated beings who cast them.
          We can take up our true powers, friends, in the tiniest of ways, here
          and
          now, in everyday life. So we help to Christen the world around us.
          Because
          we are the new Priesthood. It is vital that we take up this work."

          /

          "When you see a giant, the first thing to do is to determine the
          position of the sun–and check to see if it's not actually the shadow
          of a pygmy."

          "In the future world everything is as in the previous world–and yet
          everything is completely different. The future world is rational
          chaos–the chaos which penetrated itself and which is both inside and
          outside itself: Chaos2 or infinite. The genuine fairy tale must
          simultaneously be a prophetic representation, an idealistic
          representation, and an absolutely determined representation. The
          genuine creator of fairy tales is a seer of the future."

          "Humanity is one of the planet's senses. The human eye is the
          planet's eye raised to look at the heavens. The human nerve is the
          means of connecting the planet to the higher world."

          "We are cosmometers."

          "Imagination is the miraculous sense which can replace all other
          senses and which is already so much under our control. While the
          external senses appear to be wholly subject to mechanical laws,
          imagination is bound neither to the present nor to contact with
          external stimuli."

          –Novalis

          Jan again:

          "chanting, re-enchanting into raised and useful form what was seeping
          from darker regions of the earth. A form of search and transform - a
          Manichean journey into the darkest places secure in the magical power
          of
          Christ-light. This is no longer understood and it is the task of
          those who
          can to detect and act in an appropriate way upon such energies, as
          there are
          ever more sources. There is much more to say on this, perhaps on
          future
          occasions."

          And Bradford, Friends;

          "Can you see patches, literally holes torn in the ethers, where the
          Agni ancient Saturn and Asuric forces crawl out of their entombment
          in the inner earth and search for the food which they need? The food
          which they need is the moral fire of the immortal forces of the
          human being."...


          Danny




          --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66"
          <holderlin66@h...> wrote:
          > http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2004-08-17-new-saturn-
          > moons_x.htm
          >
          > "The Cassini spacecraft has spotted two previously unknown and
          small
          > moons orbiting Saturn in an unexpected location.The satellites are
          > tiny, about 2 miles (3 kilometers) and 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) in
          > diameter. They orbit within 131,000 miles (211,000 kilometers) of
          > the planet's center.
          >
          > Tiny, tiny S/2004 is marked by a box in this Cassini image.
          > Image courtesy NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute.
          >
          > The discoveries bring the total of Saturn's known moons to 33.
          > Number 31 was discovered last year with a ground-based telescope."
        • Danny F.
          In whom the Gods, knowers of Brahman, acknowledge Brahman as the Supreme--he who knows the Gods face to face is truly a Knower, a Vehicle of Brahman Atharva
          Message 4 of 26 , Aug 18, 2004
            In whom the Gods, knowers of Brahman, acknowledge Brahman as the
            Supreme--he who knows the Gods face to face is truly a Knower, a
            Vehicle
            of Brahman

            Atharva Veda X, 7, 24


            Great are the Gods who were born from Nonbeing, yet men aver this
            Nonbeing
            to be the single limb of the Support, the great Beyond.

            Atharva Veda X, 7, 25


            The limb in which the Support, when generating, evolved the Ancient
            One--who knows this limb knows too by that same knowledge the Ancient
            One.

            Atharva Veda X, 7, 26


            It was from his limb that the thirty-three Gods distributed portions
            among themselves. Thus in truth only knowers of Brahman are also
            knowers
            of the thirty-three Gods.

            Atharva Veda X, 7, 27


            Men recognize the Golden Embryo as the unutterable, the Supreme. Yet
            it
            was the Support who in the beginning poured forth upon the world that
            stream of gold.

            Atharva Veda X, 7, 28


            --- In anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com, "holderlin66"
            <holderlin66@h...> wrote:
            > http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2004-08-17-new-saturn-
            > moons_x.htm
            >
            > "The Cassini spacecraft has spotted two previously unknown and
            small
            > moons orbiting Saturn in an unexpected location.The satellites are
            > tiny, about 2 miles (3 kilometers) and 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) in
            > diameter. They orbit within 131,000 miles (211,000 kilometers) of
            > the planet's center.
            >
            > Tiny, tiny S/2004 is marked by a box in this Cassini image.
            > Image courtesy NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute.
            >
            > The discoveries bring the total of Saturn's known moons to 33.
            > Number 31 was discovered last year with a ground-based telescope."
          • holderlin66
            Jan wrote: Churches were sited not only upon holy, healing wells and caverns of ancient initiation but also deliberately built upon vortex sites of evil earth
            Message 5 of 26 , Aug 21, 2004
              Jan wrote:

              "Churches were sited not only upon holy, healing wells and caverns of
              ancient initiation but also deliberately built upon vortex sites of
              evil earth energies, often of a very baleful, raw kind and
              consciously transformed within the community of the church, often by
              means of ceremony and chanting, re-enchanting into raised and useful
              form what was seeping from darker regions of the earth. A form of
              search and transform - a Manichean journey into the darkest places
              secure in the magical power of Christ-light. This is no longer
              understood and it is the task of those who can to detect and act in
              an appropriate way upon such energies, as there are ever more
              sources. There is much more to say on this, perhaps on future
              occasions. Soloman, for instance, set four thousand to sing praises
              during the building of the Temple, that beacon for the incarnating
              human, that it might have a sound and re-sounding foundation.
              Because true praise, real praise knowingly in-toned is the surest
              means of uplifting and re creating fallen or generally suspect
              etheric energies. But it is sound science. It requires real
              knowledge."

              Bradford comments;

              Streams of vowels and consonants on the breath stream, warmed from
              the hearts of human beings, both from Gregorian chants and Tibetan
              sancturies and united with Eurythmy, have set the Planets and the
              Constellations, the Zodiac, back into the flow of the elemental
              community we live in.

              Before I go off on my Word and Speech tangent, you might want to
              really grasp some of the work that is understood from such a science
              of Tone, Word, Chant...before you discount it with your OH SO
              rational intellect.

              http://www.aniwilliams.com/geometry_music_healing.htm

              ""For 14 years he (Jenny) conducted experiments animating inert
              powders, pastes, and liquids into life-like, flowing forms, which
              mirrored patterns found throughout nature, art and architecture.
              What's more, all of these patterns were created using simple sine
              wave vibrations (pure tones) within the audible range. So what you
              see is a physical representation of vibration, or how sound
              manifests into form through the medium of various materials."

              The pioneering research of Fabion Mamon in the 1970's found that
              when they sounded a specific tuning fork tone onto a cancer cell,
              that cell would dissolve. Even allopathic medicine has adopted this
              same principle in new, non-invasive forms of surgery. Scientific
              American magazine reported one example of an effective method for
              removing kidney stones by identifying the frequency of the stone,
              and projecting the `reversed' frequency to dissolve it.

              This interrelationship of sound and matter is at the core of an
              exciting new wave of science, which is based on timeless principles
              well known to all ancient and indigenous cultures. Billy Yellow, a
              Navajo medicine man summed it all up with this wisdom: "Our task is
              to chant the world, chant the beauty. The world is a reflection of
              our chanting." How are we each using sound to affect our state of
              being, the health of the earth and our children? "

              Bradford adds;

              I should be brief because of the attention span deficit we all
              carry, such rich studies as we have recently uncovered tend to lull
              the reader to sleep, as if Anthroposophy was some sweet fairy tale.
              It isn't. At least on the issue of frogs and Atlantean etheric
              systems and Prince and Princesses and kissing frogs, awakening out
              of the slumber of Post Atlantean, pre Egohood to Prince and Princess
              participants with the Queen Sophia and her lover Christ, we
              apparently are still old Toadies. (TAO/TAOTL and TOADDD or humid
              Earth and pond croaking, singing even)

              Vowels and Consonants and music itself is so rich and Eurythmy such
              an incredible study that I shall spare you some of the details of
              it. Language and the larynx region is the center out of which the
              New Elemental, Poetic, Scientific and Cultural miracles from the
              side of humanity will arise. Elemental forces in fire, air, water
              and Earth are awaiting the stream of rejuvenation from out of the
              human heart. Traveling from Finland to Hawaii and understanding how
              either consonants or vowels predominate in specific language and how
              water and feeling in rhythm and chanting move the Languge all the
              way to the ancient Tibetan Science of chanting, well it is a study
              for those who really are thrilled by the Word. Even if it is the dry
              word of this page and the dead concepts full of heart that we are
              discussing. Lovers of the Word awake when they hear Spirit behind
              Language.

              The most incredible soul stirring example I can offer you, aside
              from the astonishing details where location, geogrpahy, soul and
              Word weave and rejuvenated depleted environmental and elemental life
              gasps as it nourishes itself from Warmed Fire toned, Living Words..
              is this example and it is rather stunning.

              http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/transcripts/2004/aug/040812.mccarthy.
              html

              "All Things Considered: August 12, 2004

              Palestinians Embrace Musical Allegory

              From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

              "A Palestinian musical is playing to packed houses in a West Bank
              theater in Ramallah. It's based on a story by the late Palestinian
              novelist Ghassan Kanafani titled "The Little Lantern." It's the
              story of a princess who knocks down a wall to bring sunlight into
              her kingdom. NPR's Julie McCarthy reports the musical is rousing
              audiences with his parallels to the present-day Palestinian
              situation.

              JULIE McCARTHY reporting:

              The opening night of (foreign language spoken), or "The Lanterns,"
              brought the house down.

              McCARTHY: The story about one girl's determination was itself a work
              that defied the odds. Palestinian composer and producer Suhail
              Khoury said the Israeli occupation had complicated auditions,
              training and rehearsals, and stretched production over two years.
              The German conductor confessed he persuaded only a fraction of his
              orchestra to travel to the West Bank for the show. The day before
              the play opened, the new Japanese-funded Cultural Center flooded,
              destroying the director's pencil-scrawled script.

              It was inspired by the late Palestinian writer Ghassan Kanafani. The
              author of novels, short stories and articles about the lives of
              Palestinians in exile, Kanafani wrote the story, original
              titled "The Little Lantern," for his niece. She died beside him in a
              car bombing in Lebanon in 1972. The musical version, renamed "The
              Lanterns," features a cast made up exclusively of children. Some 60
              of them in luminescent costumes sing and dance non-stop for just
              over an hour.

              McCARTHY: As the curtain rises, the wise king has died, leaving a
              will for his daughter that says for the kingdom to remain peaceful,
              she must bring sunlight into the castle. So the princess climbs a
              mountain to reach the sun to carry it back. When her scheme fails,
              she retreats to her room in distress. A note appears under the door
              one day. `How will you find the sun,' it asks, `if you lock yourself
              away?'

              Later, an old man bearing a lantern appears at the castle gate,
              declaring he has the answer. But the guards turn him away. The
              princess learns of the old man and sets out to find him by ordering
              everyone who carries a lantern to come to the castle. So many people
              converge on the castle. To make room, they knock down the walls. And
              suddenly the sunlight fills the kingdom."

              Bradford concludes;

              The sunlight and the man with the lantern... and who remembers in
              their soul the fairy tale of "The Green Snake and Beautiful Lily"?
              Now it is not sentimentality that induces me to show how wonderful
              this artistic event was for bombed out Palastine, just read the
              article. But rather that it is the intellectual soul negation of the
              power of Word, Art, music even down to its healing reality in the
              etheric body as well, with what Jan has brought up, the healing of
              regions of enchanted and etheric earth have been lost, even if we
              have before us the new science of the Word. Most Anthro's retreat
              from investigating what this new force of the word can become.

              Most Anthros or students of Spiritual Science cannot make the
              connection between the flowy, wafty light headed dancers who claim
              to be Eurythmists and the solid foundation out of which Sound and
              the Word has been renewed to its highest level, using the Christ
              Event as the foundation of the New Word. Most people haven't had the
              opportunity or the training to see the Science of the Word that
              Eurythmy stuidies..Therefore Eurythmy is somewhat discounted as a
              stirring art form. It should not be discounted and I have testimony
              from elemental beings who are starving for such Etheric renewal as
              proof.
            • joksu57
              Hello all! I don t know, if this following incident has any connections to Asuras, but I came to my mind after reading Mark s post. A friend told me some time
              Message 6 of 26 , Aug 24, 2004
                Hello all!

                I don't know, if this following incident has any connections to
                Asuras, but I came to my mind after reading Mark's post. A friend
                told me some time ago about his experiencies, when he was "under
                attack" by some (perhaps ahrimanic, he didn't specify) beings. I
                don't want to be too spesific about the circumstances, so I just tell
                some "main points".

                According to my friend these "invading beings" tried to get inside
                him and his consiousness and when some of them succeeded, they could
                be felt also as some sort of vibrations in his etheric vehicle. He
                said that they could be felt almost as "someone is crawling under the
                skin", quite an unpleasant experience. This "attack" has been going
                on many hours and my friend was resisting it with strong
                consentration. He was not afraid, but getting tired and his "tactics"
                was not particularly succesful.

                Then he remembered the advices of Christ and stopped resisting these
                beings. Instead he started blessing them, praying for them, "inviting
                them" in the spirit of "Love thy enemy"; trying to teach to them the
                ethics of Christ. The effect was astonishing. There was only some
                spesific "route" along which these entities could enter, and it was
                the same thing conserning the exit. Suddenly these beings were so
                eager to leave that there was some sort of "jam", when they could not
                leave as soon as they wished (this amused my friend). Also one of
                these "invaders" experienced some sort of conversion and adviced the
                others to "leave my friend alone".

                I think that this was a display of some sort of manichean magic, but
                if one is afraid, it may be difficult to apply it effectively.

                Warm Regards
                Joksu
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