Re: [anthroposophy] Re: In Praise of Liberals
But as I have burbled and gabbled on other themes, certainly I would
be kneeling with my bent neck on the block before you today if the
Neocons and the actual Democracy and reality of the mission of Iraq
was worth the cost of over 10,000 Iraqi's (not to mention all the
poison we gave Saddam to cyanide his people) but the over 800 and
counting American dead and the over 5000 Americans with limbs or
faces blown off.
(BR)War is hell. So is crucifixion. Nothing good (like Freedom) has everbeen gained without sacrifice. This is perhaps the main pathology
of your perverted philosophy of appeasement.To liberals NOTHING is sacred enough to be worth sacrifice.
By now sir, to understand even when a feeble idiot like Senator
Byrd speaks truth, you would be able to detect it. But you didn't,
you're stubborn and your reflect the worst of lack of ability to see
humanity where humanity appears.
(BR)Stubborn?...Stubborn?....The fact that I think you are full
of traitorous crap on this issue is not stubbornness. It's a
Why I know for certain and why you don't is the issue.Why don't YOU know for certain as I do? .........I place Spiritual Science as my guide to see into reality.
(BR)Bradford, Teilhard de Chardin rightly stated,
"Joy is the infallible sign of the presence of God."
The tone of your posts the past 2 years has not reflected
this joy...only a persistent, knee jerk, anti-American,anti-democratic tirade.
When your colorful creativity returns on a trusty white steed
of humor and loyalty to the national egregore that nurtured you for allthese years, THEN I might consider your brand of "Spiritual Science."
Until then, I am quite at peace in my "stubbornness."
(Bradford)That is why I am certain. I am certain because I don't take the
cowardly way out and put some fundie nonsense in front of my eyes so
I can't see myself.
(BR)You have and you DO take the cowardly way out.
You wouldn't stop a rape in progress because you would
find it distasteful to involve yourself in such 'violence'.
Shame on such effete, poisonous pacifism.
(Bradford)We are in the minority and it takes much more courage
than bashing the French and calling for us to look at the whole lot
of Islam as some crud who failed Christianity 101.
(BR)No..it is much better to "bash Bush."
In this convoluted perspective, EVERYTHING is America's
(and traditional Christianity's) fault. It makes me want tohurl.
Stubborn?...Yes, perhaps. ......I have other unsavory traits, too.
But disloyalty is most certainly not one of them.
- holderlin wrote:
"Because to track among the 6 billion souls, specific signatures of
certain souls and track them through Time and come up with facts of
the Karma lectures is to understand the Ego Tracking, instinct, Soul
Mate and I AM recognition capacity latent in our higher development.
Part of our I AM development and it's twelvefold sense system, is the
capacity for Ego Tracking or Sense of Ego. Just think on that. Well
first, try to research the twelvefold sense system. Sense of Word,
Idea, Ego...that is if you wish to be a student of the Michael
"Thus we arrive at the sense of tone: perhaps it would be better to
call it the sense of speech or the sense of word. It is simply
nonsense to think that perception of words is the same as perception
of sounds. The two are as distinct and different from one another as
are taste and sight. To be sure, sounds open the inner world of
objects to our perception, but these sounds must become much more
inward before they can become meaningful words. Therefore it is a
step into a deeper intimacy with the world when we proceed from
perceiving sounds through the sense of hearing to perceiving meaning
through the sense of the word.
And yet, when I perceive a mere word I am still not so intimately
connected with the object, with the external thing, as I am
connected with it when I perceive the thoughts behind the words. At
this stage, most people cease to make any distinctions. But there is
a distinction between merely perceiving words and actually
perceiving the thoughts behind the words. After all, you still can
perceive words when a phonograph or writing, for that matter has
separated them from their thinker. But a sense that goes deeper than
the usual word sense must come into play before I can come into a
living relationship with the being that is forming the words, before
I can enter through the words and transpose myself directly into the
being that is doing the thinking and forming the concepts. That
further step calls for the sense I would like to call the sense of
And there is another sense that gives an even more intimate sense of
the outer world than the sense of thought. It is the sense that
enables you to feel another being as yourself and that makes it
possible to be aware of yourself while at one with another being.
That is what happens if one turns one's thinking, one's living
thinking, towards the being of another. Through living thinking one
can behold the I of this being: the sense of the I .
You see, it really is necessary to distinguish between the ego
sense, which makes you aware of the I of another person, and the
awareness of yourself. The difference is not just that in one case
you are aware of your own I and, in the other, of someone else's
I . The two perceptions come from different sources. The seeds of
our ability to distinguish one another were sown on Old Saturn. The
beginnings of this sense were implanted in us then. The basis of
your being able to perceive another person as an I was established
on Old Saturn. But it was not until the Earth stage of evolution
that you obtained your own I ; so the ego sense is not to be
identified with the I that ensouls you from within. The two must
be strictly distinguished from one another. When we speak of the ego
sense, we are referring to the ability of one person to be aware of
the I of another.
"...The other senses about which we have been speaking are not
recognised by our externally-orientated, material science. And so I
ask you to carefully distinguish the ability to be aware of another
I from the ability you could call the consciousness of self. With
respect to this distinction, my deep love of material science forces
me to make an observation, for a deep love of material science also
enables one to see what is going on: today's material science is
afflicted with stupidity. It turns stupid when it tries to describe
what happens when someone uses his ego sense.
Our material science would have us believe that when one person
meets another he unconsciously deduces from the other's gestures,
facial expressions, and the like, that there is another I present
that the awareness of another I is really a subconscious deduction.
This is utter nonsense! In truth, when we meet someone and perceive
their I we perceive it just as directly as we perceive a colour.
It really is thick-headed to believe that the presence of another
I is deduced from bodily perceptions, for this obscures the truth
that humans have a special, higher sense for perceiving the I of
The I of another is perceived directly by the ego sense, just as
brightness and darkness and colours are perceived through the eyes.
It is a particular sense that relates us to another I . This is
something that has to be experienced. Just as a colour affects me
directly through my eyes, so another person's I affects me
directly through my ego sense. At the appropriate time we will
discuss the sense organ for the ego sense in the same way that we
could discuss the sense organs of seeing, of sight. With sight it is
simply easier to refer to material manifestations than it is in the
case of the ego sense, but each sense has its own particular organ."
Here on the internet, is is exactly this sense of word, of thought
and of I Am intuition that allows us to discern the tone of voice
and thought of those we truly admire and hear with our hearts. This
is very important for internet identity. The unique thought
constructs of Harvey, Joksu, Maurice, Kevin Dann, Juan,
Lightsearcher, Jan and Danny and so many, must be felt, heard in
ones mind's eye and at that point we begin to feel the I AM or Ego,
but we have no face or gesture to put to it. No outer photo to match
up with our inner perception of the people we understand and hear
with our hearts. This is a very, very important piece of the puzzle
of learning and respecting. It is understanding that navigation on
the internet is interesting if you can understand and hold in your
heart various shades of discernment. This, by the way, begins to
improve your ability to track karmically by the nature of thought
and word, and heart navigation.
Those who struggle with Anthro models of education must learn to see
clearly what they are seeing. Word-Thought or Idea-Ego Sense are
exacting parts of the twelvefold sense system study. But how do you
know if you can understand some of the concepts Steiner throws out
there? Sight, Taste, Sound, Touch, smell are Pentagonally solid 6th
grade observations, but moving into the exact fields of higher
observation allows one to feel the higher twelvefold sense system as
closer to observation than you might think.