5809R: [anthroposophy] Re: thanks, bruce/breaking blood ties
- Nov 4, 2002--- In anthroposophy@y..., Sören Groth <sgroth@b...> wrote:
> --- In anthroposophy@y..., "VALENTINA BRUNETTI" <okcgbr@t...> wrote:of XIX
> > Dear Soren,
> > here I have to disagree.
> > The "healthy impulse" lies in the Socialistic non-marxist stream
> > Century:As in the onliest parts of marxism I agree to he took from Proudhon.
> My statement was a very condensed thought... and you put it right.. I
> didn't mean the impulses of Marx and Lenin was healthy social
> impulses, but that they made ideology of healthy social impulses...
Marx was the worst slanderer, he loved industrial progress, national
political expansion, and a german chauvinist.... communism was
something he borrowed to serve his big philosophical EGO, the theory
of dialectic materialism explaining everything in history .. to Marx
the proletariat, the real living people there was just a brick in a
big philosophical dialectic battle.... and funny enough the
materialism in Marx is total IDEA not MATTER and SUBSTANCE ...
The onliest reason this person really got a hold on the MOVEMENT of
people and lead there minds away from the real MATTER and SUBSTANCE
into a world of abstract thinking .. that the MOVEMENT in Europe was
based on migration, leaving the known world, the group soul of artisan
and peasant life, to become an attachment to the machine, and when
seeking for something to replace the spiritual and human needs, they
did not find rights (which must replace the unconscious group rights,
the family-blood ties) but priveleges. The benefits of division of
labour, the cultural sphere of the elite offered no answer, other than
"You'll get pie in the skye when you die" ..
Now we have this migration on a global stage - and make the same
mistake, and as much as some try to modernize their views, their
arguments is total blueprints of Malthus and ManchesterLiberalism..
And in this turmoil, where there no longer is any Groupspirit guiding
migration (in earlier migrations in history there was a principate
guided by the spiritual world .. there is no more, it's an individual
destiny to participate in migration (country to city... or to
emmigrate - immigrate) ... I do understand that this have a bit
different perspective in the US, as the migration in the
industrialized age, was more obviousley an individual destiny for the
ones performing it... by emigrating ... It's not quite the same
feeling of adventure a girl from northern Thailand feels when she is
sold to a factory owner in Bangkok, or a brothel. No matter how
individually liberty wonderful Libertarians without heart may make it
sound like ... "money doesn't smell"
Friedman... Isn't that he guy who thinks a company only have one moral
responsibility and that is to make as much money as possible to it's
owners ?? And as the companies should not take any responsibility all
interference from organised labour, organised consumers or organised
rights sphere is interference in "freedom" ??
Ends up with a pretty closed and exclusive brootherhood in the
economical sphere -
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